subject:"\[WISPA\] license for amplifier\?"

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

2009-09-24 Thread RickG

I appreciate the input. Thanks!

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Paolo Di Francesco
 wrote:
> you decide the level of service, personally I think the amplifier is the
> worst choice, I would prefer to use the devices on the tower (and yes we
> have devices on tower with ice).
>
> But you asked for the electronic on the bottom (i.e. all passive) then
> you have to choose what is the best trade off for you. Having the
> electronics on the bottom is a very good thing, anybody can go there to
> see what's wrong and it's easier to work during storms or bad weather.
> But it has a high cost.
>
> Personally I would suggest, instead of having the things on the bottom,
> to install twin devices on the tower. In case one goes down you have the
> other one. This is easy to implement and very quick BUT it is not what
> you asked in your last email.
>
> We do that and we find it a decent trade off.
>
> Bye.
>
>> For a 1/2 dozen subs? I should probably put in a backup generator too!
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Paolo Di Francesco
>>  wrote:
>>> then try to go with guide not with coaxial cable. In this way on the
>>> tower you will have all-passive hardware.
>>>
>>> just my 2cents
>>>
>>>> Ya thats not bad.
>>>> The other problem with this tower is that because of the terrain, you
>>>> cant get a bucket near it for most of the year.
>>>> So, I was just trying to keep the electonics at the bottom.
>>>> The other end is only about 2 miles so I bet I can squeeze enough
>>>> signal with XR5 and no amp.
>>>> Thanks to all!
>>>> -RickG
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Dennis Burgess  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> ??  Lets see a 433 with two radio cards would be a few hundred for a 
>>>>> complete repeater :)
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>>>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
>>>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>>>> WISPA Vendor Member
>>>>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>>>>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
>>>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of RickG
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 11:09 AM
>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?
>>>>>
>>>>> Gotcha. Unfortunately, this tower only has a half dozen subs. The cost
>>>>> of those options prohibit use in this scenario. Thanks again. -RickG
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Josh Luthman
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> FCC friendly backhaul options as was suggested.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The alternative in case you're unable to use an amplifier.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>>>>>> improbable, must be the truth."
>>>>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:02 PM, RickG  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Josh,
>>>>>>> Thanks for the link to a beautiful chart but what does it have to do
>>>>>>> with an amp?
>>>>>>> -RickG
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Josh Luthman
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> Microwave Backhaul Comparison Chart -
>>>>>>>> WISPTech<
>>>>>>> http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart>
>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>&g

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

2009-09-24 Thread Mike Hammett

The only way to have all electronics at the bottom is to use waveguide.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Paolo Di Francesco" 
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:56 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

> you decide the level of service, personally I think the amplifier is the
> worst choice, I would prefer to use the devices on the tower (and yes we
> have devices on tower with ice).
>
> But you asked for the electronic on the bottom (i.e. all passive) then
> you have to choose what is the best trade off for you. Having the
> electronics on the bottom is a very good thing, anybody can go there to
> see what's wrong and it's easier to work during storms or bad weather.
> But it has a high cost.
>
> Personally I would suggest, instead of having the things on the bottom,
> to install twin devices on the tower. In case one goes down you have the
> other one. This is easy to implement and very quick BUT it is not what
> you asked in your last email.
>
> We do that and we find it a decent trade off.
>
> Bye.
>
>> For a 1/2 dozen subs? I should probably put in a backup generator too!
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Paolo Di Francesco
>>  wrote:
>>> then try to go with guide not with coaxial cable. In this way on the
>>> tower you will have all-passive hardware.
>>>
>>> just my 2cents
>>>
>>>> Ya thats not bad.
>>>> The other problem with this tower is that because of the terrain, you
>>>> cant get a bucket near it for most of the year.
>>>> So, I was just trying to keep the electonics at the bottom.
>>>> The other end is only about 2 miles so I bet I can squeeze enough
>>>> signal with XR5 and no amp.
>>>> Thanks to all!
>>>> -RickG
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Dennis Burgess 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> ??  Lets see a 433 with two radio cards would be a few hundred for a 
>>>>> complete repeater :)
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>>>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
>>>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>>>> WISPA Vendor Member
>>>>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>>>>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
>>>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>>>>> On Behalf Of RickG
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 11:09 AM
>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?
>>>>>
>>>>> Gotcha. Unfortunately, this tower only has a half dozen subs. The cost
>>>>> of those options prohibit use in this scenario. Thanks again. -RickG
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Josh Luthman
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> FCC friendly backhaul options as was suggested.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The alternative in case you're unable to use an amplifier.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>>>>>> improbable, must be the truth."
>>>>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:02 PM, RickG  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Josh,
>>>>>>> Thanks for the link to a beautiful chart but what does it have to do
>>>>>>> with an amp?
>>>>>>> -RickG
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Josh Luthman
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> Microwave Backhaul Comparison Chart -
>>>>>>>> WISPTech<
>>>>>>> http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart>
>>>>>>>

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

2009-09-24 Thread Paolo Di Francesco

you decide the level of service, personally I think the amplifier is the
worst choice, I would prefer to use the devices on the tower (and yes we
have devices on tower with ice).

But you asked for the electronic on the bottom (i.e. all passive) then
you have to choose what is the best trade off for you. Having the
electronics on the bottom is a very good thing, anybody can go there to
see what's wrong and it's easier to work during storms or bad weather.
But it has a high cost.

Personally I would suggest, instead of having the things on the bottom,
to install twin devices on the tower. In case one goes down you have the
other one. This is easy to implement and very quick BUT it is not what
you asked in your last email.

We do that and we find it a decent trade off.

Bye.

> For a 1/2 dozen subs? I should probably put in a backup generator too!
> 
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Paolo Di Francesco
>  wrote:
>> then try to go with guide not with coaxial cable. In this way on the
>> tower you will have all-passive hardware.
>>
>> just my 2cents
>>
>>> Ya thats not bad.
>>> The other problem with this tower is that because of the terrain, you
>>> cant get a bucket near it for most of the year.
>>> So, I was just trying to keep the electonics at the bottom.
>>> The other end is only about 2 miles so I bet I can squeeze enough
>>> signal with XR5 and no amp.
>>> Thanks to all!
>>> -RickG
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Dennis Burgess  
>>> wrote:
>>>> ??  Lets see a 433 with two radio cards would be a few hundred for a 
>>>> complete repeater :)
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
>>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>>> WISPA Vendor Member
>>>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>>>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
>>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of RickG
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 11:09 AM
>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?
>>>>
>>>> Gotcha. Unfortunately, this tower only has a half dozen subs. The cost
>>>> of those options prohibit use in this scenario. Thanks again. -RickG
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Josh Luthman
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> FCC friendly backhaul options as was suggested.
>>>>>
>>>>> The alternative in case you're unable to use an amplifier.
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>
>>>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>>>>> improbable, must be the truth."
>>>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:02 PM, RickG  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Josh,
>>>>>> Thanks for the link to a beautiful chart but what does it have to do
>>>>>> with an amp?
>>>>>> -RickG
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Josh Luthman
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> Microwave Backhaul Comparison Chart -
>>>>>>> WISPTech<
>>>>>> http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart>
>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>>>>>>> improbable, must be the truth."
>>>>>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:48 AM, jp  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Big thank you to L-com.
>>>>>>>>

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

2009-09-23 Thread RickG

For a 1/2 dozen subs? I should probably put in a backup generator too!

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Paolo Di Francesco
 wrote:
> then try to go with guide not with coaxial cable. In this way on the
> tower you will have all-passive hardware.
>
> just my 2cents
>
>> Ya thats not bad.
>> The other problem with this tower is that because of the terrain, you
>> cant get a bucket near it for most of the year.
>> So, I was just trying to keep the electonics at the bottom.
>> The other end is only about 2 miles so I bet I can squeeze enough
>> signal with XR5 and no amp.
>> Thanks to all!
>> -RickG
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Dennis Burgess  
>> wrote:
>>> ??  Lets see a 433 with two radio cards would be a few hundred for a 
>>> complete repeater :)
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>> WISPA Vendor Member
>>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of RickG
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 11:09 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?
>>>
>>> Gotcha. Unfortunately, this tower only has a half dozen subs. The cost
>>> of those options prohibit use in this scenario. Thanks again. -RickG
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Josh Luthman
>>>  wrote:
>>>> FCC friendly backhaul options as was suggested.
>>>>
>>>> The alternative in case you're unable to use an amplifier.
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>>>> improbable, must be the truth."
>>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:02 PM, RickG  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Josh,
>>>>> Thanks for the link to a beautiful chart but what does it have to do
>>>>> with an amp?
>>>>> -RickG
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Josh Luthman
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> Microwave Backhaul Comparison Chart -
>>>>>> WISPTech<
>>>>> http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart>
>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>>>>>> improbable, must be the truth."
>>>>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:48 AM, jp  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Big thank you to L-com.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Use a POE based backhaul product to avoid cable loss. The amp will also
>>>>>>> hurt your noise floor by amplifying interference/noise as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you are concerened about unreliability of having electronics atop the
>>>>>>> tower with regard to a POE radio solution, an amp is electronics atop
>>>>>>> the tower, so that argument doesn't hold water.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:59:11AM -0400, RickG wrote:
>>>>>>>> I am planning to install a 5Ghz backhaul from my main tower to a
>>>>>>>> remote. It will have the antenna on the top, 150' of LMR-400 and the
>>>>>>>> radio at the bottom. To make up for the loss, I ordered a 500mw amp
>>>>>>>> from L-Com. Unfortunately, they cancelled the order saying I need a
>>>>>>>> HAM license to purchase it. I thoug

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

2009-09-23 Thread Paolo Di Francesco

then try to go with guide not with coaxial cable. In this way on the
tower you will have all-passive hardware.

just my 2cents

> Ya thats not bad.
> The other problem with this tower is that because of the terrain, you
> cant get a bucket near it for most of the year.
> So, I was just trying to keep the electonics at the bottom.
> The other end is only about 2 miles so I bet I can squeeze enough
> signal with XR5 and no amp.
> Thanks to all!
> -RickG
> 
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Dennis Burgess  
> wrote:
>> ??  Lets see a 433 with two radio cards would be a few hundred for a 
>> complete repeater :)
>>
>> ---
>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>> WISPA Vendor Member
>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
>> Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 11:09 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?
>>
>> Gotcha. Unfortunately, this tower only has a half dozen subs. The cost
>> of those options prohibit use in this scenario. Thanks again. -RickG
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Josh Luthman
>>  wrote:
>>> FCC friendly backhaul options as was suggested.
>>>
>>> The alternative in case you're unable to use an amplifier.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>>> improbable, must be the truth."
>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:02 PM, RickG  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Josh,
>>>> Thanks for the link to a beautiful chart but what does it have to do
>>>> with an amp?
>>>> -RickG
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Josh Luthman
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> Microwave Backhaul Comparison Chart -
>>>>> WISPTech<
>>>> http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart>
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>
>>>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>>>>> improbable, must be the truth."
>>>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:48 AM, jp  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Big thank you to L-com.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Use a POE based backhaul product to avoid cable loss. The amp will also
>>>>>> hurt your noise floor by amplifying interference/noise as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are concerened about unreliability of having electronics atop the
>>>>>> tower with regard to a POE radio solution, an amp is electronics atop
>>>>>> the tower, so that argument doesn't hold water.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:59:11AM -0400, RickG wrote:
>>>>>>> I am planning to install a 5Ghz backhaul from my main tower to a
>>>>>>> remote. It will have the antenna on the top, 150' of LMR-400 and the
>>>>>>> radio at the bottom. To make up for the loss, I ordered a 500mw amp
>>>>>>> from L-Com. Unfortunately, they cancelled the order saying I need a
>>>>>>> HAM license to purchase it. I thought unlicensed freqs dont require a
>>>>>>> license?
>>>>>>> -RickG
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>>>>>>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>>&g

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

2009-09-22 Thread RickG

Ya thats not bad.
The other problem with this tower is that because of the terrain, you
cant get a bucket near it for most of the year.
So, I was just trying to keep the electonics at the bottom.
The other end is only about 2 miles so I bet I can squeeze enough
signal with XR5 and no amp.
Thanks to all!
-RickG

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Dennis Burgess  wrote:
> ??  Lets see a 433 with two radio cards would be a few hundred for a complete 
> repeater :)
>
> ---
> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
> WISPA Vendor Member
> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
> Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 11:09 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?
>
> Gotcha. Unfortunately, this tower only has a half dozen subs. The cost
> of those options prohibit use in this scenario. Thanks again. -RickG
>
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
>> FCC friendly backhaul options as was suggested.
>>
>> The alternative in case you're unable to use an amplifier.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>> improbable, must be the truth."
>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:02 PM, RickG  wrote:
>>
>>> Josh,
>>> Thanks for the link to a beautiful chart but what does it have to do
>>> with an amp?
>>> -RickG
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Josh Luthman
>>>  wrote:
>>> > Microwave Backhaul Comparison Chart -
>>> > WISPTech<
>>> http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart>
>>> >
>>> > Josh Luthman
>>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> > 1100 Wayne St
>>> > Suite 1337
>>> > Troy, OH 45373
>>> >
>>> > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>>> > improbable, must be the truth."
>>> > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:48 AM, jp  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Big thank you to L-com.
>>> >>
>>> >> Use a POE based backhaul product to avoid cable loss. The amp will also
>>> >> hurt your noise floor by amplifying interference/noise as well.
>>> >>
>>> >> If you are concerened about unreliability of having electronics atop the
>>> >> tower with regard to a POE radio solution, an amp is electronics atop
>>> >> the tower, so that argument doesn't hold water.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:59:11AM -0400, RickG wrote:
>>> >> > I am planning to install a 5Ghz backhaul from my main tower to a
>>> >> > remote. It will have the antenna on the top, 150' of LMR-400 and the
>>> >> > radio at the bottom. To make up for the loss, I ordered a 500mw amp
>>> >> > from L-Com. Unfortunately, they cancelled the order saying I need a
>>> >> > HAM license to purchase it. I thought unlicensed freqs dont require a
>>> >> > license?
>>> >> > -RickG
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> 
>>> >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>>> >> > http://signup.wispa.org/
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> 
>>> >> >
>>> >> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>>> >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> /*
>>> >> Jason Philbr

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

2009-09-22 Thread Dennis Burgess

??  Lets see a 433 with two radio cards would be a few hundred for a complete 
repeater :)  

---
Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
WISPA Vendor Member
Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
Author of "Learn RouterOS"


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 11:09 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

Gotcha. Unfortunately, this tower only has a half dozen subs. The cost
of those options prohibit use in this scenario. Thanks again. -RickG

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> FCC friendly backhaul options as was suggested.
>
> The alternative in case you're unable to use an amplifier.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> improbable, must be the truth."
> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:02 PM, RickG  wrote:
>
>> Josh,
>> Thanks for the link to a beautiful chart but what does it have to do
>> with an amp?
>> -RickG
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Josh Luthman
>>  wrote:
>> > Microwave Backhaul Comparison Chart -
>> > WISPTech<
>> http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart>
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>> > improbable, must be the truth."
>> > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:48 AM, jp  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Big thank you to L-com.
>> >>
>> >> Use a POE based backhaul product to avoid cable loss. The amp will also
>> >> hurt your noise floor by amplifying interference/noise as well.
>> >>
>> >> If you are concerened about unreliability of having electronics atop the
>> >> tower with regard to a POE radio solution, an amp is electronics atop
>> >> the tower, so that argument doesn't hold water.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:59:11AM -0400, RickG wrote:
>> >> > I am planning to install a 5Ghz backhaul from my main tower to a
>> >> > remote. It will have the antenna on the top, 150' of LMR-400 and the
>> >> > radio at the bottom. To make up for the loss, I ordered a 500mw amp
>> >> > from L-Com. Unfortunately, they cancelled the order saying I need a
>> >> > HAM license to purchase it. I thought unlicensed freqs dont require a
>> >> > license?
>> >> > -RickG
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Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

2009-09-22 Thread Dennis Burgess

Use POE vs LMR!  

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Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:59 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

I am planning to install a 5Ghz backhaul from my main tower to a
remote. It will have the antenna on the top, 150' of LMR-400 and the
radio at the bottom. To make up for the loss, I ordered a 500mw amp
from L-Com. Unfortunately, they cancelled the order saying I need a
HAM license to purchase it. I thought unlicensed freqs dont require a
license?
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Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

2009-09-22 Thread Blair Davis





Try RF Linx

RickG wrote:

  I am planning to install a 5Ghz backhaul from my main tower to a
remote. It will have the antenna on the top, 150' of LMR-400 and the
radio at the bottom. To make up for the loss, I ordered a 500mw amp
from L-Com. Unfortunately, they cancelled the order saying I need a
HAM license to purchase it. I thought unlicensed freqs dont require a
license?
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Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

2009-09-22 Thread Cameron Kilton

You will have: 16.23 db loss at the cable length minus connectors using
LMR 400

LMR 600 will give you a bit better at: 10.89 db

Perhaps use LMR 600 for a shot that big, otherwise, I would go PoE. 

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Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

Ya, because this is an "upgrade", I looked at this from the wrong
direction.
So, do you think I can make up for a 150' cable with just a radio?
-RickG

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> Rick,
>
> Sounds like a Job for Ubnt or MT.
>
> $200 from Ubnt and a pair of antennas and you're done.
>
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>
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:13 PM, jp  wrote:
>
>> Long ago we used amps to overcome cable loss, before there was a good
>> choice for POE or IF based systems. Every single one of them either
>> failed or went flaky (YDI and other like units) I'm so distrustful of
>> them, I wouldnt even sell them on ebay.
>>
>> When I have issues with the equipment at the top, it's usually the
>> equipment, not because it's up high. If it's reliable to start with,
>> properly protected, it will provide reliable service from up high.
Put
>> equipment that you need to tinker with, unproven equipment, untested
>> used equipment, etc... You will have issues.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:59:48AM -0400, RickG wrote:
>> > I've only lost one amp over the years as opposed to many issues
with
>> > equipment at the top.
>> > -RickG
>> >
>> > On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:48 AM, jp 
wrote:
>> > > Big thank you to L-com.
>> > >
>> > > Use a POE based backhaul product to avoid cable loss. The amp
will also
>> > > hurt your noise floor by amplifying interference/noise as well.
>> > >
>> > > If you are concerened about unreliability of having electronics
atop
>> the
>> > > tower with regard to a POE radio solution, an amp is electronics
atop
>> > > the tower, so that argument doesn't hold water.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:59:11AM -0400, RickG wrote:
>> > >> I am planning to install a 5Ghz backhaul from my main tower to a
>> > >> remote. It will have the antenna on the top, 150' of LMR-400 and
the
>> > >> radio at the bottom. To make up for the loss, I ordered a 500mw
amp
>> > >> from L-Com. Unfortunately, they cancelled the order saying I
need a
>> > >> HAM license to purchase it. I thought unlicensed freqs dont
require a
>> > >> license?
>> > >> -RickG
>> > >>
>> > >>
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Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

2009-09-22 Thread chris cooper

Correct. Not unless the amp is certified with your radio system.

Chris

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

So, you cant legally make up for cable loss with an amp? -RickG

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Jack Unger  wrote:
> Unlicensed freqs don't require a license however you can not legally
add
> an amplifier to a system (in this case, your 5 GHz backhaul) that was
> not originally certified with the amplifier that you want to use.
>
> Hams, who are licensed and who share some frequencies with unlicensed
> operators do not need an additional license to legally use an
amplifier.
>
> To avoid mis-use and illegal use of ham amplifiers by unlicensed
> operators, legitimate sellers of ham amplifiers (and indeed, any
> amplifier) normally request that you show proof that you are a ham in
> order to purchase an amplifier.
>
> Unfortunately for our industry:
>
> 1. 95% of the WISPs who use external amplifiers are doing so
illegally.
>
> 2. 95% of the companies who sell external amplifiers to WISPs are
> skating on thin ice.
>
>
>
> RickG wrote:
>> I am planning to install a 5Ghz backhaul from my main tower to a
>> remote. It will have the antenna on the top, 150' of LMR-400 and the
>> radio at the bottom. To make up for the loss, I ordered a 500mw amp
>> from L-Com. Unfortunately, they cancelled the order saying I need a
>> HAM license to purchase it. I thought unlicensed freqs dont require a
>> license?
>> -RickG
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

2009-09-22 Thread Jack Unger





There may be some however I can't think of any off the top of my head.
Usually the amplifier is built right into the equipment. Nothing
prevents some smart equipment vendor from certifying a system designed
to meet Rick's needs where the equipment and amp is designed to be
mounted at the base of a tower and then a long coax run goes up the
tower to the antenna. 

Josh Luthman wrote:

  That actually raises a good question - are there things out there that are
certified with an amp for a situation like Rick's?

I assume the Tsunami's were as they only exist as a rackmount option.

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On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Jack Unger  wrote:

  
  
 No you can't unless the original equipment manufacturer designed an amp as
part of the original system and had their system certified with that amp.

RickG wrote:

So, you cant legally make up for cable loss with an amp? -RickG

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Jack Unger   wrote:


 Unlicensed freqs don't require a license however you can not legally add
an amplifier to a system (in this case, your 5 GHz backhaul) that was
not originally certified with the amplifier that you want to use.

Hams, who are licensed and who share some frequencies with unlicensed
operators do not need an additional license to legally use an amplifier.

To avoid mis-use and illegal use of ham amplifiers by unlicensed
operators, legitimate sellers of ham amplifiers (and indeed, any
amplifier) normally request that you show proof that you are a ham in
order to purchase an amplifier.

Unfortunately for our industry:

1. 95% of the WISPs who use external amplifiers are doing so illegally.

2. 95% of the companies who sell external amplifiers to WISPs are
skating on thin ice.



RickG wrote:


 I am planning to install a 5Ghz backhaul from my main tower to a
remote. It will have the antenna on the top, 150' of LMR-400 and the
radio at the bottom. To make up for the loss, I ordered a 500mw amp
from L-Com. Unfortunately, they cancelled the order saying I need a
HAM license to purchase it. I thought unlicensed freqs dont require a
license?
-RickG



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Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

2009-09-22 Thread Josh Luthman

That actually raises a good question - are there things out there that are
certified with an amp for a situation like Rick's?

I assume the Tsunami's were as they only exist as a rackmount option.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Jack Unger  wrote:

>  No you can't unless the original equipment manufacturer designed an amp as
> part of the original system and had their system certified with that amp.
>
> RickG wrote:
>
> So, you cant legally make up for cable loss with an amp? -RickG
>
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Jack Unger  
>  wrote:
>
>
>  Unlicensed freqs don't require a license however you can not legally add
> an amplifier to a system (in this case, your 5 GHz backhaul) that was
> not originally certified with the amplifier that you want to use.
>
> Hams, who are licensed and who share some frequencies with unlicensed
> operators do not need an additional license to legally use an amplifier.
>
> To avoid mis-use and illegal use of ham amplifiers by unlicensed
> operators, legitimate sellers of ham amplifiers (and indeed, any
> amplifier) normally request that you show proof that you are a ham in
> order to purchase an amplifier.
>
> Unfortunately for our industry:
>
> 1. 95% of the WISPs who use external amplifiers are doing so illegally.
>
> 2. 95% of the companies who sell external amplifiers to WISPs are
> skating on thin ice.
>
>
>
> RickG wrote:
>
>
>  I am planning to install a 5Ghz backhaul from my main tower to a
> remote. It will have the antenna on the top, 150' of LMR-400 and the
> radio at the bottom. To make up for the loss, I ordered a 500mw amp
> from L-Com. Unfortunately, they cancelled the order saying I need a
> HAM license to purchase it. I thought unlicensed freqs dont require a
> license?
> -RickG
>
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Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

2009-09-22 Thread Jack Unger





No you can't unless the original equipment manufacturer designed an amp
as part of the original system and had their system certified with that
amp. 

RickG wrote:

  So, you cant legally make up for cable loss with an amp? -RickG

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Jack Unger  wrote:
  
  
Unlicensed freqs don't require a license however you can not legally add
an amplifier to a system (in this case, your 5 GHz backhaul) that was
not originally certified with the amplifier that you want to use.

Hams, who are licensed and who share some frequencies with unlicensed
operators do not need an additional license to legally use an amplifier.

To avoid mis-use and illegal use of ham amplifiers by unlicensed
operators, legitimate sellers of ham amplifiers (and indeed, any
amplifier) normally request that you show proof that you are a ham in
order to purchase an amplifier.

Unfortunately for our industry:

1. 95% of the WISPs who use external amplifiers are doing so illegally.

2. 95% of the companies who sell external amplifiers to WISPs are
skating on thin ice.



RickG wrote:


  I am planning to install a 5Ghz backhaul from my main tower to a
remote. It will have the antenna on the top, 150' of LMR-400 and the
radio at the bottom. To make up for the loss, I ordered a 500mw amp
from L-Com. Unfortunately, they cancelled the order saying I need a
HAM license to purchase it. I thought unlicensed freqs dont require a
license?
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Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

2009-09-22 Thread Josh Luthman

Only one site have I seen big coax up the tower.

Tsunami gear worked well on a 150' LMR400 but they had like 3 megs...

We tried putting the Radwinmux (Ceragon?) ODU at the base of the tower and
it was comparable but caused lock ups and loss of link a few times.  Once
that was put by the antenna problems went away and throughput improved.

In my little experience long coax runs has not been good when it's carrying
5GHz.  Redline AN50s using rg11 do better (not sure what it carries).

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On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:19 PM, RickG  wrote:

> Ya, because this is an "upgrade", I looked at this from the wrong
> direction.
> So, do you think I can make up for a 150' cable with just a radio?
> -RickG
>
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
> > Rick,
> >
> > Sounds like a Job for Ubnt or MT.
> >
> > $200 from Ubnt and a pair of antennas and you're done.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> > improbable, must be the truth."
> > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:13 PM, jp  wrote:
> >
> >> Long ago we used amps to overcome cable loss, before there was a good
> >> choice for POE or IF based systems. Every single one of them either
> >> failed or went flaky (YDI and other like units) I'm so distrustful of
> >> them, I wouldnt even sell them on ebay.
> >>
> >> When I have issues with the equipment at the top, it's usually the
> >> equipment, not because it's up high. If it's reliable to start with,
> >> properly protected, it will provide reliable service from up high. Put
> >> equipment that you need to tinker with, unproven equipment, untested
> >> used equipment, etc... You will have issues.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:59:48AM -0400, RickG wrote:
> >> > I've only lost one amp over the years as opposed to many issues with
> >> > equipment at the top.
> >> > -RickG
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:48 AM, jp  wrote:
> >> > > Big thank you to L-com.
> >> > >
> >> > > Use a POE based backhaul product to avoid cable loss. The amp will
> also
> >> > > hurt your noise floor by amplifying interference/noise as well.
> >> > >
> >> > > If you are concerened about unreliability of having electronics atop
> >> the
> >> > > tower with regard to a POE radio solution, an amp is electronics
> atop
> >> > > the tower, so that argument doesn't hold water.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:59:11AM -0400, RickG wrote:
> >> > >> I am planning to install a 5Ghz backhaul from my main tower to a
> >> > >> remote. It will have the antenna on the top, 150' of LMR-400 and
> the
> >> > >> radio at the bottom. To make up for the loss, I ordered a 500mw amp
> >> > >> from L-Com. Unfortunately, they cancelled the order saying I need a
> >> > >> HAM license to purchase it. I thought unlicensed freqs dont require
> a
> >> > >> license?
> >> > >> -RickG
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
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Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

2009-09-22 Thread RickG

Ya, because this is an "upgrade", I looked at this from the wrong direction.
So, do you think I can make up for a 150' cable with just a radio?
-RickG

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> Rick,
>
> Sounds like a Job for Ubnt or MT.
>
> $200 from Ubnt and a pair of antennas and you're done.
>
> Josh Luthman
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>
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> improbable, must be the truth."
> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:13 PM, jp  wrote:
>
>> Long ago we used amps to overcome cable loss, before there was a good
>> choice for POE or IF based systems. Every single one of them either
>> failed or went flaky (YDI and other like units) I'm so distrustful of
>> them, I wouldnt even sell them on ebay.
>>
>> When I have issues with the equipment at the top, it's usually the
>> equipment, not because it's up high. If it's reliable to start with,
>> properly protected, it will provide reliable service from up high. Put
>> equipment that you need to tinker with, unproven equipment, untested
>> used equipment, etc... You will have issues.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:59:48AM -0400, RickG wrote:
>> > I've only lost one amp over the years as opposed to many issues with
>> > equipment at the top.
>> > -RickG
>> >
>> > On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:48 AM, jp  wrote:
>> > > Big thank you to L-com.
>> > >
>> > > Use a POE based backhaul product to avoid cable loss. The amp will also
>> > > hurt your noise floor by amplifying interference/noise as well.
>> > >
>> > > If you are concerened about unreliability of having electronics atop
>> the
>> > > tower with regard to a POE radio solution, an amp is electronics atop
>> > > the tower, so that argument doesn't hold water.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:59:11AM -0400, RickG wrote:
>> > >> I am planning to install a 5Ghz backhaul from my main tower to a
>> > >> remote. It will have the antenna on the top, 150' of LMR-400 and the
>> > >> radio at the bottom. To make up for the loss, I ordered a 500mw amp
>> > >> from L-Com. Unfortunately, they cancelled the order saying I need a
>> > >> HAM license to purchase it. I thought unlicensed freqs dont require a
>> > >> license?
>> > >> -RickG
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

2009-09-22 Thread Josh Luthman

Rick,

Sounds like a Job for Ubnt or MT.

$200 from Ubnt and a pair of antennas and you're done.

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On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:13 PM, jp  wrote:

> Long ago we used amps to overcome cable loss, before there was a good
> choice for POE or IF based systems. Every single one of them either
> failed or went flaky (YDI and other like units) I'm so distrustful of
> them, I wouldnt even sell them on ebay.
>
> When I have issues with the equipment at the top, it's usually the
> equipment, not because it's up high. If it's reliable to start with,
> properly protected, it will provide reliable service from up high. Put
> equipment that you need to tinker with, unproven equipment, untested
> used equipment, etc... You will have issues.
>
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:59:48AM -0400, RickG wrote:
> > I've only lost one amp over the years as opposed to many issues with
> > equipment at the top.
> > -RickG
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:48 AM, jp  wrote:
> > > Big thank you to L-com.
> > >
> > > Use a POE based backhaul product to avoid cable loss. The amp will also
> > > hurt your noise floor by amplifying interference/noise as well.
> > >
> > > If you are concerened about unreliability of having electronics atop
> the
> > > tower with regard to a POE radio solution, an amp is electronics atop
> > > the tower, so that argument doesn't hold water.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:59:11AM -0400, RickG wrote:
> > >> I am planning to install a 5Ghz backhaul from my main tower to a
> > >> remote. It will have the antenna on the top, 150' of LMR-400 and the
> > >> radio at the bottom. To make up for the loss, I ordered a 500mw amp
> > >> from L-Com. Unfortunately, they cancelled the order saying I need a
> > >> HAM license to purchase it. I thought unlicensed freqs dont require a
> > >> license?
> > >> -RickG
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

2009-09-22 Thread jp

Long ago we used amps to overcome cable loss, before there was a good 
choice for POE or IF based systems. Every single one of them either 
failed or went flaky (YDI and other like units) I'm so distrustful of 
them, I wouldnt even sell them on ebay.

When I have issues with the equipment at the top, it's usually the 
equipment, not because it's up high. If it's reliable to start with, 
properly protected, it will provide reliable service from up high. Put 
equipment that you need to tinker with, unproven equipment, untested 
used equipment, etc... You will have issues.

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:59:48AM -0400, RickG wrote:
> I've only lost one amp over the years as opposed to many issues with
> equipment at the top.
> -RickG
> 
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:48 AM, jp  wrote:
> > Big thank you to L-com.
> >
> > Use a POE based backhaul product to avoid cable loss. The amp will also
> > hurt your noise floor by amplifying interference/noise as well.
> >
> > If you are concerened about unreliability of having electronics atop the
> > tower with regard to a POE radio solution, an amp is electronics atop
> > the tower, so that argument doesn't hold water.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:59:11AM -0400, RickG wrote:
> >> I am planning to install a 5Ghz backhaul from my main tower to a
> >> remote. It will have the antenna on the top, 150' of LMR-400 and the
> >> radio at the bottom. To make up for the loss, I ordered a 500mw amp
> >> from L-Com. Unfortunately, they cancelled the order saying I need a
> >> HAM license to purchase it. I thought unlicensed freqs dont require a
> >> license?
> >> -RickG
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> >> http://signup.wispa.org/
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Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

2009-09-22 Thread RickG

Gotcha. Unfortunately, this tower only has a half dozen subs. The cost
of those options prohibit use in this scenario. Thanks again. -RickG

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> FCC friendly backhaul options as was suggested.
>
> The alternative in case you're unable to use an amplifier.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
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> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> improbable, must be the truth."
> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:02 PM, RickG  wrote:
>
>> Josh,
>> Thanks for the link to a beautiful chart but what does it have to do
>> with an amp?
>> -RickG
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Josh Luthman
>>  wrote:
>> > Microwave Backhaul Comparison Chart -
>> > WISPTech<
>> http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart>
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>> > improbable, must be the truth."
>> > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:48 AM, jp  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Big thank you to L-com.
>> >>
>> >> Use a POE based backhaul product to avoid cable loss. The amp will also
>> >> hurt your noise floor by amplifying interference/noise as well.
>> >>
>> >> If you are concerened about unreliability of having electronics atop the
>> >> tower with regard to a POE radio solution, an amp is electronics atop
>> >> the tower, so that argument doesn't hold water.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:59:11AM -0400, RickG wrote:
>> >> > I am planning to install a 5Ghz backhaul from my main tower to a
>> >> > remote. It will have the antenna on the top, 150' of LMR-400 and the
>> >> > radio at the bottom. To make up for the loss, I ordered a 500mw amp
>> >> > from L-Com. Unfortunately, they cancelled the order saying I need a
>> >> > HAM license to purchase it. I thought unlicensed freqs dont require a
>> >> > license?
>> >> > -RickG
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
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Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

2009-09-22 Thread Josh Luthman

FCC friendly backhaul options as was suggested.

The alternative in case you're unable to use an amplifier.

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On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:02 PM, RickG  wrote:

> Josh,
> Thanks for the link to a beautiful chart but what does it have to do
> with an amp?
> -RickG
>
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
> > Microwave Backhaul Comparison Chart -
> > WISPTech<
> http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart>
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> > improbable, must be the truth."
> > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:48 AM, jp  wrote:
> >
> >> Big thank you to L-com.
> >>
> >> Use a POE based backhaul product to avoid cable loss. The amp will also
> >> hurt your noise floor by amplifying interference/noise as well.
> >>
> >> If you are concerened about unreliability of having electronics atop the
> >> tower with regard to a POE radio solution, an amp is electronics atop
> >> the tower, so that argument doesn't hold water.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:59:11AM -0400, RickG wrote:
> >> > I am planning to install a 5Ghz backhaul from my main tower to a
> >> > remote. It will have the antenna on the top, 150' of LMR-400 and the
> >> > radio at the bottom. To make up for the loss, I ordered a 500mw amp
> >> > from L-Com. Unfortunately, they cancelled the order saying I need a
> >> > HAM license to purchase it. I thought unlicensed freqs dont require a
> >> > license?
> >> > -RickG
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

2009-09-22 Thread RickG

Josh,
Thanks for the link to a beautiful chart but what does it have to do
with an amp?
-RickG

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> Microwave Backhaul Comparison Chart -
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> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:48 AM, jp  wrote:
>
>> Big thank you to L-com.
>>
>> Use a POE based backhaul product to avoid cable loss. The amp will also
>> hurt your noise floor by amplifying interference/noise as well.
>>
>> If you are concerened about unreliability of having electronics atop the
>> tower with regard to a POE radio solution, an amp is electronics atop
>> the tower, so that argument doesn't hold water.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:59:11AM -0400, RickG wrote:
>> > I am planning to install a 5Ghz backhaul from my main tower to a
>> > remote. It will have the antenna on the top, 150' of LMR-400 and the
>> > radio at the bottom. To make up for the loss, I ordered a 500mw amp
>> > from L-Com. Unfortunately, they cancelled the order saying I need a
>> > HAM license to purchase it. I thought unlicensed freqs dont require a
>> > license?
>> > -RickG
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Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

2009-09-22 Thread RickG

So, you cant legally make up for cable loss with an amp? -RickG

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Jack Unger  wrote:
> Unlicensed freqs don't require a license however you can not legally add
> an amplifier to a system (in this case, your 5 GHz backhaul) that was
> not originally certified with the amplifier that you want to use.
>
> Hams, who are licensed and who share some frequencies with unlicensed
> operators do not need an additional license to legally use an amplifier.
>
> To avoid mis-use and illegal use of ham amplifiers by unlicensed
> operators, legitimate sellers of ham amplifiers (and indeed, any
> amplifier) normally request that you show proof that you are a ham in
> order to purchase an amplifier.
>
> Unfortunately for our industry:
>
> 1. 95% of the WISPs who use external amplifiers are doing so illegally.
>
> 2. 95% of the companies who sell external amplifiers to WISPs are
> skating on thin ice.
>
>
>
> RickG wrote:
>> I am planning to install a 5Ghz backhaul from my main tower to a
>> remote. It will have the antenna on the top, 150' of LMR-400 and the
>> radio at the bottom. To make up for the loss, I ordered a 500mw amp
>> from L-Com. Unfortunately, they cancelled the order saying I need a
>> HAM license to purchase it. I thought unlicensed freqs dont require a
>> license?
>> -RickG
>>
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Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

2009-09-22 Thread RickG

I've only lost one amp over the years as opposed to many issues with
equipment at the top.
-RickG

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:48 AM, jp  wrote:
> Big thank you to L-com.
>
> Use a POE based backhaul product to avoid cable loss. The amp will also
> hurt your noise floor by amplifying interference/noise as well.
>
> If you are concerened about unreliability of having electronics atop the
> tower with regard to a POE radio solution, an amp is electronics atop
> the tower, so that argument doesn't hold water.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:59:11AM -0400, RickG wrote:
>> I am planning to install a 5Ghz backhaul from my main tower to a
>> remote. It will have the antenna on the top, 150' of LMR-400 and the
>> radio at the bottom. To make up for the loss, I ordered a 500mw amp
>> from L-Com. Unfortunately, they cancelled the order saying I need a
>> HAM license to purchase it. I thought unlicensed freqs dont require a
>> license?
>> -RickG
>>
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Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

2009-09-22 Thread Ryan Spott

WOW! L-Com++!

Usually you hear lots of banter on these sites about "so and so vendor
is selling big time illegal stuff" but this time.. I guess not!

Starting to feel like the local feed store not selling grandma the
industrial pesticide because it is just not legal or sane!

I like this, maybe I will start to look at the 15-20 catalogs a month
they send me!

ryan

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 8:48 AM, jp  wrote:
> Big thank you to L-com.
>
> Use a POE based backhaul product to avoid cable loss. The amp will also
> hurt your noise floor by amplifying interference/noise as well.
>
> If you are concerened about unreliability of having electronics atop the
> tower with regard to a POE radio solution, an amp is electronics atop
> the tower, so that argument doesn't hold water.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:59:11AM -0400, RickG wrote:
>> I am planning to install a 5Ghz backhaul from my main tower to a
>> remote. It will have the antenna on the top, 150' of LMR-400 and the
>> radio at the bottom. To make up for the loss, I ordered a 500mw amp
>> from L-Com. Unfortunately, they cancelled the order saying I need a
>> HAM license to purchase it. I thought unlicensed freqs dont require a
>> license?
>> -RickG
>>
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Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

2009-09-22 Thread Josh Luthman

Microwave Backhaul Comparison Chart -
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On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:48 AM, jp  wrote:

> Big thank you to L-com.
>
> Use a POE based backhaul product to avoid cable loss. The amp will also
> hurt your noise floor by amplifying interference/noise as well.
>
> If you are concerened about unreliability of having electronics atop the
> tower with regard to a POE radio solution, an amp is electronics atop
> the tower, so that argument doesn't hold water.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:59:11AM -0400, RickG wrote:
> > I am planning to install a 5Ghz backhaul from my main tower to a
> > remote. It will have the antenna on the top, 150' of LMR-400 and the
> > radio at the bottom. To make up for the loss, I ordered a 500mw amp
> > from L-Com. Unfortunately, they cancelled the order saying I need a
> > HAM license to purchase it. I thought unlicensed freqs dont require a
> > license?
> > -RickG
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

2009-09-22 Thread jp

Big thank you to L-com.

Use a POE based backhaul product to avoid cable loss. The amp will also 
hurt your noise floor by amplifying interference/noise as well.

If you are concerened about unreliability of having electronics atop the 
tower with regard to a POE radio solution, an amp is electronics atop 
the tower, so that argument doesn't hold water.


On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:59:11AM -0400, RickG wrote:
> I am planning to install a 5Ghz backhaul from my main tower to a
> remote. It will have the antenna on the top, 150' of LMR-400 and the
> radio at the bottom. To make up for the loss, I ordered a 500mw amp
> from L-Com. Unfortunately, they cancelled the order saying I need a
> HAM license to purchase it. I thought unlicensed freqs dont require a
> license?
> -RickG
> 
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Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

2009-09-22 Thread Jack Unger

Unlicensed freqs don't require a license however you can not legally add 
an amplifier to a system (in this case, your 5 GHz backhaul) that was 
not originally certified with the amplifier that you want to use.

Hams, who are licensed and who share some frequencies with unlicensed 
operators do not need an additional license to legally use an amplifier.

To avoid mis-use and illegal use of ham amplifiers by unlicensed 
operators, legitimate sellers of ham amplifiers (and indeed, any 
amplifier) normally request that you show proof that you are a ham in 
order to purchase an amplifier.

Unfortunately for our industry:

1. 95% of the WISPs who use external amplifiers are doing so illegally.

2. 95% of the companies who sell external amplifiers to WISPs are 
skating on thin ice.

RickG wrote:
> I am planning to install a 5Ghz backhaul from my main tower to a
> remote. It will have the antenna on the top, 150' of LMR-400 and the
> radio at the bottom. To make up for the loss, I ordered a 500mw amp
> from L-Com. Unfortunately, they cancelled the order saying I need a
> HAM license to purchase it. I thought unlicensed freqs dont require a
> license?
> -RickG
>
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[WISPA] license for amplifier?

2009-09-22 Thread RickG

I am planning to install a 5Ghz backhaul from my main tower to a
remote. It will have the antenna on the top, 150' of LMR-400 and the
radio at the bottom. To make up for the loss, I ordered a 500mw amp
from L-Com. Unfortunately, they cancelled the order saying I need a
HAM license to purchase it. I thought unlicensed freqs dont require a
license?
-RickG



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