Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
That should be must not have paid federal taxes yet. This money has not been collected. It will be in the future.. On Feb 18, 2009, at 5:59 PM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: You must not pay federal taxes them. rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: No, it's NOT my money. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 5:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? But it's your money? You pay taxes right? How can you feel wrong about getting back what they took from you? Brian rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Not me. If it's wrong, it's wrong. I'm not going to say it should not be done and then go after the money for myself. I'd have to hide my face forever.Money comes and goes. Conscience is forever. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Me? I'm gonna go for as much grant money as I can get. What else can we do? marlon Well, whatcha gonna do? Don Grossman WillitsOnline LLC Office 707-459-0824 d...@willitsonline.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
I don't know the specifics of the Charter bankruptcy, but I've been working in telecom long enough to know that most traditional service providers do have to take on massive amounts of long-term debt to build out their infrastructure. Buildout of wireline networks is very capital intensive, involves large long-term loans, and does have a lot longer ROI than say, a wireless AP (most independent wisps build their ROI around months rather than years). On the other hand, the infrastructure holds its value a lot longer (deployed cable HFC will be commercially viable a lot longer than the current generation of PTMP radios, deployed GPON FTTN even more so (all assuming some swapouts of gear at the CO / headend every few years). Debt is necessary part of most telecom buildout, and lenders knowingly assume some of the risk in return for interest on their loans. The difference between Charter failing and other telco's / cable companies succeeding isn't business model per-se (they all have, at some level, the same business model) but is more likely the mundane issues that usually lead to business success or failure -- execution, etc... -Clint Ricker On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Wish I could just write off my debt and still be in business. This kind of thing is just wrong. Go so far in debt that there's no way out. Work off of a bad business model. Then stick everyone else with the bill and walk away in a few years totally in the clear. it's BS marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Probably nothing, other than Charter may be more nimble in the future without all of that burden. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:02 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Charter is set to file bankruptcy protection on or before April 1 as part of a financial restructuring to reduce its debt by $8bn. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/245062c2-f93d-11dd-90c1-77b07658.html?referrer_id=yahoofinanceft_ref=yahoo1segid=03058nclick_check=1 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Clint Ricker Kentnis Technologies 800.783.5753 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
No, it's NOT my money. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 5:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? But it's your money? You pay taxes right? How can you feel wrong about getting back what they took from you? Brian rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Not me. If it's wrong, it's wrong. I'm not going to say it should not be done and then go after the money for myself. I'd have to hide my face forever.Money comes and goes. Conscience is forever. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Me? I'm gonna go for as much grant money as I can get. What else can we do? marlon Well, whatcha gonna do? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
You must not pay federal taxes them. rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: No, it's NOT "my money". insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: "Brian Rohrbacher" br...@reliableinter.net To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 5:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? But it's your money? You pay taxes right? How can you feel wrong about getting back what they took from you? Brian rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Not me. If it's wrong, it's wrong. I'm not going to say "it should not be done" and then go after the money for myself. I'd have to hide my face forever.Money comes and goes. Conscience is forever. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer" o...@odessaoffice.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Me? I'm gonna go for as much grant money as I can get. What else can we do? marlon Well, whatcha gonna do? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
It's called survival. We've all been put into a bad position through no fault of our own. Since we have no control, all we can do it react. You cant blame someone for that. -RickG On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Businesses come and go too Mark. Because we don't like it or think it's a good idea for the country doesn't make this wrong in a moral or ethical sense. I agree that this package is going to end up doing more harm than good. That knowledge won't stop anyone from spending the money though. It's going to go out the door. And the more of it that comes to me, the better it'll be. *I* can make sure that whatever part I get ahold of is used for the good of my community. My competition may not be so honorable. By taking the grant funds I can minimize the damage this program will do. That's the smart thing to do. It's also the right and honorable thing to do. The only catch is to watch out for any strings that may be attached. We don't want to take money and use it to build things that aren't long term sustainable. It's like this Mark. I find a bag (hell, I STEAL the bag) full of money from a drug pusher. He's already gotten the money. If he keeps it he'll spend it in ways that will enrich his drug empire. If I spend it I'll use it to enrich my family and my community. Think I'm likely to give the money back to the bad guy? We tried to do what was right and stop this madness. But the deal is now done. All we can do from here is minimize the damage. Heck, we don't even be able to undo it, the money has to be handed out before the next election cycle. It sucks, but I'm going to do what I can to make sure my community comes out of this in the best shape possible. That means that *I* get as much money as I can, not the telco that's based on the other side of the country. marlon - Original Message - From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Not me. If it's wrong, it's wrong. I'm not going to say it should not be done and then go after the money for myself. I'd have to hide my face forever.Money comes and goes. Conscience is forever. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Me? I'm gonna go for as much grant money as I can get. What else can we do? marlon Well, whatcha gonna do? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
But it's your money? You pay taxes right? How can you feel wrong about getting back what they took from you? Brian rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Not me. If it's wrong, it's wrong. I'm not going to say "it should not be done" and then go after the money for myself. I'd have to hide my face forever.Money comes and goes. Conscience is forever. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer" o...@odessaoffice.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Me? I'm gonna go for as much grant money as I can get. What else can we do? marlon Well, whatcha gonna do? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
Businesses come and go too Mark. Because we don't like it or think it's a good idea for the country doesn't make this wrong in a moral or ethical sense. I agree that this package is going to end up doing more harm than good. That knowledge won't stop anyone from spending the money though. It's going to go out the door. And the more of it that comes to me, the better it'll be. *I* can make sure that whatever part I get ahold of is used for the good of my community. My competition may not be so honorable. By taking the grant funds I can minimize the damage this program will do. That's the smart thing to do. It's also the right and honorable thing to do. The only catch is to watch out for any strings that may be attached. We don't want to take money and use it to build things that aren't long term sustainable. It's like this Mark. I find a bag (hell, I STEAL the bag) full of money from a drug pusher. He's already gotten the money. If he keeps it he'll spend it in ways that will enrich his drug empire. If I spend it I'll use it to enrich my family and my community. Think I'm likely to give the money back to the bad guy? We tried to do what was right and stop this madness. But the deal is now done. All we can do from here is minimize the damage. Heck, we don't even be able to undo it, the money has to be handed out before the next election cycle. It sucks, but I'm going to do what I can to make sure my community comes out of this in the best shape possible. That means that *I* get as much money as I can, not the telco that's based on the other side of the country. marlon - Original Message - From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Not me. If it's wrong, it's wrong. I'm not going to say it should not be done and then go after the money for myself. I'd have to hide my face forever.Money comes and goes. Conscience is forever. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Me? I'm gonna go for as much grant money as I can get. What else can we do? marlon Well, whatcha gonna do? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
Marlon, Are you applying for the grant yourself or are you having someone write it? Have there been any WISP's successful in getting grants? It would be good for all WISP's, if the procedures were available. -RickG On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 1:11 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Me? I'm gonna go for as much grant money as I can get. What else can we do? marlon Well, whatcha gonna do? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
Hi Rick, I've applied for an RUS grant once. Didn't get it in right so I got nothing. Plus the time and strings required convinced me not to bother again. This time around I don't know what I'll do or how to do it. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Marlon, Are you applying for the grant yourself or are you having someone write it? Have there been any WISP's successful in getting grants? It would be good for all WISP's, if the procedures were available. -RickG On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 1:11 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Me? I'm gonna go for as much grant money as I can get. What else can we do? marlon Well, whatcha gonna do? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
right on! rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Not me. If it's wrong, it's wrong. I'm not going to say "it should not be done" and then go after the money for myself. I'd have to hide my face forever.Money comes and goes. Conscience is forever. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer" o...@odessaoffice.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Me? I'm gonna go for as much grant money as I can get. What else can we do? marlon Well, whatcha gonna do? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
Sigh, THEY will bet all of the bailout money they can stomach. How does no one end up in jail over this kind of lunacy? marlon - Original Message - From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:02 AM Subject: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Charter is set to file bankruptcy protection on or before April 1 as part of a financial restructuring to reduce its debt by $8bn. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/245062c2-f93d-11dd-90c1-77b07658.html?referrer_id=yahoofinanceft_ref=yahoo1segid=03058nclick_check=1 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
Wish I could just write off my debt and still be in business. This kind of thing is just wrong. Go so far in debt that there's no way out. Work off of a bad business model. Then stick everyone else with the bill and walk away in a few years totally in the clear. it's BS marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Probably nothing, other than Charter may be more nimble in the future without all of that burden. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:02 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Charter is set to file bankruptcy protection on or before April 1 as part of a financial restructuring to reduce its debt by $8bn. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/245062c2-f93d-11dd-90c1-77b07658.html?referrer_id=yahoofinanceft_ref=yahoo1segid=03058nclick_check=1 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
Yeah, and WE'RE expected to compete. No one bothers to point out that they do it be going broke!! aaa marlon - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? They are starting to roll out 60meg down 5up. Only in test markets though. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Mike Hammett wrote: Probably nothing, other than Charter may be more nimble in the future without all of that burden. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:02 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Charter is set to file bankruptcy protection on or before April 1 as part of a financial restructuring to reduce its debt by $8bn. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/245062c2-f93d-11dd-90c1-77b07658.html?referrer_id=yahoofinanceft_ref=yahoo1segid=03058nclick_check=1 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
Always hated that about the bankruptcy system. How a company can do so many stupid things then file chapter 11, get restructured and basically continue operations with all their equipment all in place but with no debt. If I wanted a fancy house, car and all cool gadget and got it on the expense of the business if I filed chapter 11 because of to high saleries and spent to much money on business building, and equipment rollout I would find myself homeless, car less, customer less and no longer have a place to conduct business and my cool hardware sold off. Then you have companies like Charter now and Cable Wireless did 10 years back just as examples that did it and came out stronger then before and no debt and networks and customers in place and I bet not a single board member or upper management lost a single thing of their personal affect. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Yeah, and WE'RE expected to compete. No one bothers to point out that they do it be going broke!! aaa marlon - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? They are starting to roll out 60meg down 5up. Only in test markets though. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Mike Hammett wrote: Probably nothing, other than Charter may be more nimble in the future without all of that burden. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:02 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Charter is set to file bankruptcy protection on or before April 1 as part of a financial restructuring to reduce its debt by $8bn. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/245062c2-f93d-11dd-90c1-77b07658.html?referrer _id=yahoofinanceft_ref=yahoo1segid=03058nclick_check=1 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
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Well, they are THE providers of broadband, didn't you know.Too valuable to fail and well connected in DC. I read somewhere that between the bailouts - specifically banks and other financial institutions - and the loans that the taxpayers have gauranteed in the last year, along with the spending and new spending programs voted in for the future, there's something like 18 TRILLION dollars in liabilites on the backs of the taxpayers that's new since the end of January 08. And it's over 5 trillion in direct spending just for the 18 months between last july and the end of '09. That assumes no new spending. Someone I read, which if memory serves was a WSJ blog, calculated that we could just have let ALL the banks fail and instead, distributed 90,000 PER ADULT to the public and restarted with all new and solvent institutions and it would have been cheaper than the stimulus, bank rescues and bailouts. I know that with 180K in my family we'd have done a lot more stimulatin' than the present 3.3 trillion just passed. (this includes the cost of future programs which are NOT paid for in this bill, cumulative to the next pres election).I am as horrified as you at the gross mismanagement. But, just when you think you've seen it all... The president (CEO? COO? Chairman? not sure) of Netflix apparently has publicly stated he thinks his taxes should be raised, along with all his business cohorts.If I were on his BOD, he'd be sending resumes out and unemployed the day after he said that. Well, whatcha gonna do? insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Yeah, and WE'RE expected to compete. No one bothers to point out that they do it be going broke!! aaa marlon - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? They are starting to roll out 60meg down 5up. Only in test markets though. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Mike Hammett wrote: Probably nothing, other than Charter may be more nimble in the future without all of that burden. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:02 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Charter is set to file bankruptcy protection on or before April 1 as part of a financial restructuring to reduce its debt by $8bn. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/245062c2-f93d-11dd-90c1-77b07658.html?referrer_id=yahoofinanceft_ref=yahoo1segid=03058nclick_check=1 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List
Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
Unemployment and a default on a mortgage i was gaurantor of put me in Bankruptcy in 1997.I didn't get to keep nuttin. I lost my home everything I had in the bank and was seriously whacked for a long time. And I've battled crooked collectors who have tried to collect discharged debt ever since. The RE lenders were the worst thing about the whole deal. Basically, that was all I owed was on two homes and yet, it haunted me for more than 8 years before the last one stopped trying to collect on the real estate loans. Two of the three involved were guaranteed by HUD, yet, rather than file for that gaurantee, they abdicated all rights to the proceeds of the RE sale and then fraudulently attempted for years to collect from me or sell those loans elsewhere. I lost track of the number of owners of those notes over the years. I had no credit cards unpaid or car loans or anything. Each time I had to dig up my BK judgement and prove it wasn't legally owed and they'd sell it again. Often it was less than 2 months between being persued by a different 'agency' or lender or owner. One guy managed to get someone to give him my work and my wife's work phones and then they started threatening all kinds of stuff. But, hey, look at the bright side. Someone might tell Trump YOU'RE FIRED! :) insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Always hated that about the bankruptcy system. How a company can do so many stupid things then file chapter 11, get restructured and basically continue operations with all their equipment all in place but with no debt. If I wanted a fancy house, car and all cool gadget and got it on the expense of the business if I filed chapter 11 because of to high saleries and spent to much money on business building, and equipment rollout I would find myself homeless, car less, customer less and no longer have a place to conduct business and my cool hardware sold off. Then you have companies like Charter now and Cable Wireless did 10 years back just as examples that did it and came out stronger then before and no debt and networks and customers in place and I bet not a single board member or upper management lost a single thing of their personal affect. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Yeah, and WE'RE expected to compete. No one bothers to point out that they do it be going broke!! aaa marlon - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? They are starting to roll out 60meg down 5up. Only in test markets though. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Mike Hammett wrote: Probably nothing, other than Charter may be more nimble in the future without all of that burden. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:02 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Charter is set to file bankruptcy protection on or before April 1 as part of a financial restructuring to reduce its debt by $8bn. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/245062c2-f93d-11dd-90c1-77b07658.html?referrer _id=yahoofinanceft_ref=yahoo1segid=03058nclick_check=1 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
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Then to think about all companies that reorganize and end up continue business like nothing happens except they screwed over their lenders and the owners, board of directors and upper management that caused the mess goes clean and free and get to keep it all. Sickening. And it does have nothing to do with Washington connections. It's part of the system and have crooked good lawyer and careful planning and preparations. Basically in my opinion it's premeditated (to borrow a legal term from another legal area) bankruptcy if you ask me and shouldn't be allowed. They should be punished not allowed to continue operation and keep everything. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:56:30 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Unemployment and a default on a mortgage i was gaurantor of put me in Bankruptcy in 1997.I didn't get to keep nuttin. I lost my home everything I had in the bank and was seriously whacked for a long time. And I've battled crooked collectors who have tried to collect discharged debt ever since. The RE lenders were the worst thing about the whole deal. Basically, that was all I owed was on two homes and yet, it haunted me for more than 8 years before the last one stopped trying to collect on the real estate loans. Two of the three involved were guaranteed by HUD, yet, rather than file for that gaurantee, they abdicated all rights to the proceeds of the RE sale and then fraudulently attempted for years to collect from me or sell those loans elsewhere. I lost track of the number of owners of those notes over the years. I had no credit cards unpaid or car loans or anything. Each time I had to dig up my BK judgement and prove it wasn't legally owed and they'd sell it again. Often it was less than 2 months between being persued by a different 'agency' or lender or owner. One guy managed to get someone to give him my work and my wife's work phones and then they started threatening all kinds of stuff. But, hey, look at the bright side. Someone might tell Trump YOU'RE FIRED! :) insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Always hated that about the bankruptcy system. How a company can do so many stupid things then file chapter 11, get restructured and basically continue operations with all their equipment all in place but with no debt. If I wanted a fancy house, car and all cool gadget and got it on the expense of the business if I filed chapter 11 because of to high saleries and spent to much money on business building, and equipment rollout I would find myself homeless, car less, customer less and no longer have a place to conduct business and my cool hardware sold off. Then you have companies like Charter now and Cable Wireless did 10 years back just as examples that did it and came out stronger then before and no debt and networks and customers in place and I bet not a single board member or upper management lost a single thing of their personal affect. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Yeah, and WE'RE expected to compete. No one bothers to point out that they do it be going broke!! aaa marlon - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? They are starting to roll out 60meg down 5up. Only in test markets though. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact
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Have you seen anyone who wasn't connected to DC carry this out? I don't think my corp could get away with that. BTW, there's been some people, including a coule in Congress who want to change the BK laws for corporations, so that if they go BK, the people who lent money get to hold the stock of the new corp. I'll bet they'd get the incompetent fired and replaced. Although, sometimes it really isn't a case of mismanagement - or it was mismanagement previous to the people who get stuck with the mess - like Chrysler is right now. Daimler's to blame for 100% of their problems, it seems rather pointless to rip the guys trying to save it now... Anyone notice that the peanut guys just went out of business over some tainted peanuts? insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: e...@wisp-router.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Then to think about all companies that reorganize and end up continue business like nothing happens except they screwed over their lenders and the owners, board of directors and upper management that caused the mess goes clean and free and get to keep it all. Sickening. And it does have nothing to do with Washington connections. It's part of the system and have crooked good lawyer and careful planning and preparations. Basically in my opinion it's premeditated (to borrow a legal term from another legal area) bankruptcy if you ask me and shouldn't be allowed. They should be punished not allowed to continue operation and keep everything. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:56:30 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Unemployment and a default on a mortgage i was gaurantor of put me in Bankruptcy in 1997.I didn't get to keep nuttin. I lost my home everything I had in the bank and was seriously whacked for a long time. And I've battled crooked collectors who have tried to collect discharged debt ever since. The RE lenders were the worst thing about the whole deal. Basically, that was all I owed was on two homes and yet, it haunted me for more than 8 years before the last one stopped trying to collect on the real estate loans. Two of the three involved were guaranteed by HUD, yet, rather than file for that gaurantee, they abdicated all rights to the proceeds of the RE sale and then fraudulently attempted for years to collect from me or sell those loans elsewhere. I lost track of the number of owners of those notes over the years. I had no credit cards unpaid or car loans or anything. Each time I had to dig up my BK judgement and prove it wasn't legally owed and they'd sell it again. Often it was less than 2 months between being persued by a different 'agency' or lender or owner. One guy managed to get someone to give him my work and my wife's work phones and then they started threatening all kinds of stuff. But, hey, look at the bright side. Someone might tell Trump YOU'RE FIRED! :) insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Always hated that about the bankruptcy system. How a company can do so many stupid things then file chapter 11, get restructured and basically continue operations with all their equipment all in place but with no debt. If I wanted a fancy house, car and all cool gadget and got it on the expense of the business if I filed chapter 11 because of to high saleries and spent to much money on business building, and equipment rollout I would find myself homeless, car less, customer less and no longer have a place to conduct business and my cool hardware sold off. Then you have companies like Charter now and Cable Wireless did 10 years back just as examples that did it and came out stronger then before and no debt and networks and customers in place and I bet not a single board member or upper management lost a single thing of their personal affect. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Yeah, and WE'RE expected to compete. No one bothers to point out that they do it be going broke!! aaa marlon - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does
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Me? I'm gonna go for as much grant money as I can get. What else can we do? marlon Well, whatcha gonna do? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
Charter is set to file bankruptcy protection on or before April 1 as part of a financial restructuring to reduce its debt by $8bn. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/245062c2-f93d-11dd-90c1-77b07658.html?referrer_id=yahoofinanceft_ref=yahoo1segid=03058nclick_check=1 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Probably nothing, other than Charter may be more nimble in the future without all of that burden. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:02 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Charter is set to file bankruptcy protection on or before April 1 as part of a financial restructuring to reduce its debt by $8bn. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/245062c2-f93d-11dd-90c1-77b07658.html?referrer_id=yahoofinanceft_ref=yahoo1segid=03058nclick_check=1 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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They are starting to roll out 60meg down 5up. Only in test markets though. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Mike Hammett wrote: Probably nothing, other than Charter may be more nimble in the future without all of that burden. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:02 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Charter is set to file bankruptcy protection on or before April 1 as part of a financial restructuring to reduce its debt by $8bn. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/245062c2-f93d-11dd-90c1-77b07658.html?referrer_id=yahoofinanceft_ref=yahoo1segid=03058nclick_check=1 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Dennis Burgess wrote: They are starting to roll out 60meg down 5up. Only in test markets So far, that's one test market. Probably coincidental that the one market they're doing that (Saint Louis, MO) is the market where their corporate headquarters is located, and presumably where most of Charter's big execs live. As far as whether Charter's bankruptcy filing will affect wireless operators in any meaningful way, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say nope, not at all. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] what does this?
Within a few minutes of each other, I got calls from opposite ends of my network complaining about outages. Really odd, I thought, as I was in the middle of checking out some things. The short of it is as follows: Sometime yesterday, not exactly sure what time, two backbone links suddenly began going up and down, 5 sec up, 5 sec down. One is 10 miles long, runs due east west from the east end of town into the mountains. The other is 10 miles south and somewhat west of the other one, and runs north-south, with the north end somewhat west of the south end. The only common factor? Both were on 5805.About 2 months ago, both were down suddenly, and I had to move both from 5745 to 5805, all frequencies in between were so hot I could not establish a link with a rssi of -72. Again, the links end are 10 miles apart at their closest ends and run about 170 degrees angle from each other. Today, 5745 is clear and clean with no apparent issues as I have an AP on it carrying 20 customers over looking the only common area between the two links, 5805 is buried, over a span of 30 miles. The pattern was obvious... about 5 seconds of no data moving, 5 seconds fine, steady pattern going on and on and on. About 50% ping loss, with the 1-ping-per-second showing 5 good, 5 missed, 5 good, 5 missed. What could possibly be that strong that it can take down such widely spread apart links? In both cases, there is considerable elevation change, such that low ends see nothing but dirt and sky (there's NOTHING but mountains and clear sky beyond my higher elevation sites in both cases) beyond their respective other ends, and that the far ends have considerable downtilt and their respective beam patterns do not intersect, but instead, point into dirt. Something has to be so strong that it takes down the links from OUTSIDE of the beam patterns of 26 db (or higher) grids. Mark Koskenmaki Neofast, Inc Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains 541-969-8200 -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] what does this?
Airport radar gone out of control ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wispa Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 6:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] what does this? Within a few minutes of each other, I got calls from opposite ends of my network complaining about outages. Really odd, I thought, as I was in the middle of checking out some things. The short of it is as follows: Sometime yesterday, not exactly sure what time, two backbone links suddenly began going up and down, 5 sec up, 5 sec down. One is 10 miles long, runs due east west from the east end of town into the mountains. The other is 10 miles south and somewhat west of the other one, and runs north-south, with the north end somewhat west of the south end. The only common factor? Both were on 5805.About 2 months ago, both were down suddenly, and I had to move both from 5745 to 5805, all frequencies in between were so hot I could not establish a link with a rssi of -72. Again, the links end are 10 miles apart at their closest ends and run about 170 degrees angle from each other. Today, 5745 is clear and clean with no apparent issues as I have an AP on it carrying 20 customers over looking the only common area between the two links, 5805 is buried, over a span of 30 miles. The pattern was obvious... about 5 seconds of no data moving, 5 seconds fine, steady pattern going on and on and on. About 50% ping loss, with the 1-ping-per-second showing 5 good, 5 missed, 5 good, 5 missed. What could possibly be that strong that it can take down such widely spread apart links? In both cases, there is considerable elevation change, such that low ends see nothing but dirt and sky (there's NOTHING but mountains and clear sky beyond my higher elevation sites in both cases) beyond their respective other ends, and that the far ends have considerable downtilt and their respective beam patterns do not intersect, but instead, point into dirt. Something has to be so strong that it takes down the links from OUTSIDE of the beam patterns of 26 db (or higher) grids. Mark Koskenmaki Neofast, Inc Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains 541-969-8200 -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
