Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?
In the case of South Africa I know what is going on. The government owns the phone company there. There is a conflict of interest. The regulators get paid by the same people running the phone company. It would be like ATT being owned by the FCC or vice-versa. How hard do you think we would have it here then? I am guessing that other countries in Africa have similar conflicts of interest or corruption which leads to businesses being unable to work in an environment where regulations are a moving target or they are only favorable when the right people get a secret payday. Scriv On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it just me, or do African wireless opportunities rarely materialize? I've been involved in tons and tons of big ($10+M, in theory) projects where all sorts of big numbers are thrown out, but for whatever reason, someone never ultimately pulls the trigger. (Not sure what I'm missing, but this seems to be a running theme with African projects I've ever gotten pulled in on.) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?
Huge diff between SA and Nigeria... - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? In the case of South Africa I know what is going on. The government owns the phone company there. There is a conflict of interest. The regulators get paid by the same people running the phone company. It would be like ATT being owned by the FCC or vice-versa. How hard do you think we would have it here then? I am guessing that other countries in Africa have similar conflicts of interest or corruption which leads to businesses being unable to work in an environment where regulations are a moving target or they are only favorable when the right people get a secret payday. Scriv On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it just me, or do African wireless opportunities rarely materialize? I've been involved in tons and tons of big ($10+M, in theory) projects where all sorts of big numbers are thrown out, but for whatever reason, someone never ultimately pulls the trigger. (Not sure what I'm missing, but this seems to be a running theme with African projects I've ever gotten pulled in on.) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?
Funny you should mention that... we have had equipment tribalized here too. Even if you have an agreement signed by the tribal elders, the chapter presidency and the BIA, it means nothing. You are allowed to declare war on sovereign nations =) -Charles Charles Wu President [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 773-457-0718 * office: 773-667-4585 x2500 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 * tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 2:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? I have heard of that happening on native lands here in the US too. I have nothing to confirm that though. ryan -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 11:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? We were in Sakhalin Island in Russia. The government just up and decided to take over everything. Booted out the oil companies and said finders keepers to everyone. I will never do any intl work again without full money up front. - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Dennis Burgess wrote: Depends if you are used to doing that. However, I do know they are investing quite a bit of money in the Nigerian infrustructure. I know what Routers they are using. lol Joking aside, there is big money in building telcos in Nigeria. Some Los Angeles based VCs I work with are working with the government in building out their network infrastructure. Getting the rights to work/sell there is tricky, but once they attained them, things got easier WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?
Is it just me, or do African wireless opportunities rarely materialize? I've been involved in tons and tons of big ($10+M, in theory) projects where all sorts of big numbers are thrown out, but for whatever reason, someone never ultimately pulls the trigger. (Not sure what I'm missing, but this seems to be a running theme with African projects I've ever gotten pulled in on.) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?
The good ones are always in Nigeria... - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:19 PM Subject: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Is it just me, or do African wireless opportunities rarely materialize? I've been involved in tons and tons of big ($10+M, in theory) projects where all sorts of big numbers are thrown out, but for whatever reason, someone never ultimately pulls the trigger. (Not sure what I'm missing, but this seems to be a running theme with African projects I've ever gotten pulled in on.) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?
I just sent my $5,000 wire transfer fee, just waiting for the $25 million (some rich guy died with no heirs). Maybe it's because of the number of scams coming from there, nobody is willing to chance running a wireless deal. I mean, seriously, in the IT business, would you even believe someone if they contacted you with a $10 million dollar deal? - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? The good ones are always in Nigeria... - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:19 PM Subject: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Is it just me, or do African wireless opportunities rarely materialize? I've been involved in tons and tons of big ($10+M, in theory) projects where all sorts of big numbers are thrown out, but for whatever reason, someone never ultimately pulls the trigger. (Not sure what I'm missing, but this seems to be a running theme with African projects I've ever gotten pulled in on.) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?
I just sent my $5,000 wire transfer fee, just waiting for the $25 million (some rich guy died with no heirs). Maybe it's because of the number of scams coming from there, nobody is willing to chance running a wireless deal. I mean, seriously, in the IT business, would you even believe someone if they contacted you with a $10 million dollar deal? - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? The good ones are always in Nigeria... - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:19 PM Subject: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Is it just me, or do African wireless opportunities rarely materialize? I've been involved in tons and tons of big ($10+M, in theory) projects where all sorts of big numbers are thrown out, but for whatever reason, someone never ultimately pulls the trigger. (Not sure what I'm missing, but this seems to be a running theme with African projects I've ever gotten pulled in on.) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?
Depends if you are used to doing that. However, I do know they are investing quite a bit of money in the Nigerian infrustructure. I know what Routers they are using. lol -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Doug Ratcliffe wrote: I just sent my $5,000 wire transfer fee, just waiting for the $25 million (some rich guy died with no heirs). Maybe it's because of the number of scams coming from there, nobody is willing to chance running a wireless deal. I mean, seriously, in the IT business, would you even believe someone if they contacted you with a $10 million dollar deal? - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? The good ones are always in Nigeria... - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:19 PM Subject: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Is it just me, or do African wireless opportunities rarely materialize? I've been involved in tons and tons of big ($10+M, in theory) projects where all sorts of big numbers are thrown out, but for whatever reason, someone never ultimately pulls the trigger. (Not sure what I'm missing, but this seems to be a running theme with African projects I've ever gotten pulled in on.) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?
Dennis Burgess wrote: Depends if you are used to doing that. However, I do know they are investing quite a bit of money in the Nigerian infrustructure. I know what Routers they are using. lol Joking aside, there is big money in building telcos in Nigeria. Some Los Angeles based VCs I work with are working with the government in building out their network infrastructure. Getting the rights to work/sell there is tricky, but once they attained them, things got easier. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?
Doug Ratcliffe wrote: I mean, seriously, in the IT business, would you even believe someone if they contacted you with a $10 million dollar deal? They don't always say it like that. Often they give the areas that they need coverage and the bandwidth that they'd like for those areas to have coverage for. You then do the math of how many (and what mix of) wireless needs there needs to be, then you start calculating backhaul. Once a BOM is put together and priced, then it comes to millions of dollars. By the time it gets to this, you already have a good idea of how they're paying for it (at least, in theory...) In my experience, the person that says, I have a $x M deal is usually full of crap. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?
We were in Sakhalin Island in Russia. The government just up and decided to take over everything. Booted out the oil companies and said finders keepers to everyone. I will never do any intl work again without full money up front. - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Dennis Burgess wrote: Depends if you are used to doing that. However, I do know they are investing quite a bit of money in the Nigerian infrustructure. I know what Routers they are using. lol Joking aside, there is big money in building telcos in Nigeria. Some Los Angeles based VCs I work with are working with the government in building out their network infrastructure. Getting the rights to work/sell there is tricky, but once they attained them, things got easier. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?
Ouch! When did that happen Chuck? Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? We were in Sakhalin Island in Russia. The government just up and decided to take over everything. Booted out the oil companies and said finders keepers to everyone. I will never do any intl work again without full money up front. - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Dennis Burgess wrote: Depends if you are used to doing that. However, I do know they are investing quite a bit of money in the Nigerian infrustructure. I know what Routers they are using. lol Joking aside, there is big money in building telcos in Nigeria. Some Los Angeles based VCs I work with are working with the government in building out their network infrastructure. Getting the rights to work/sell there is tricky, but once they attained them, things got easier. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?
Were you with Marathon Oil? When I worked for them, they were part of the consortium developing Sakhalin. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 2:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? We were in Sakhalin Island in Russia. The government just up and decided to take over everything. Booted out the oil companies and said finders keepers to everyone. I will never do any intl work again without full money up front. - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Dennis Burgess wrote: Depends if you are used to doing that. However, I do know they are investing quite a bit of money in the Nigerian infrustructure. I know what Routers they are using. lol Joking aside, there is big money in building telcos in Nigeria. Some Los Angeles based VCs I work with are working with the government in building out their network infrastructure. Getting the rights to work/sell there is tricky, but once they attained them, things got easier. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?
Couple of years ago. - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Ouch! When did that happen Chuck? Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? We were in Sakhalin Island in Russia. The government just up and decided to take over everything. Booted out the oil companies and said finders keepers to everyone. I will never do any intl work again without full money up front. - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Dennis Burgess wrote: Depends if you are used to doing that. However, I do know they are investing quite a bit of money in the Nigerian infrustructure. I know what Routers they are using. lol Joking aside, there is big money in building telcos in Nigeria. Some Los Angeles based VCs I work with are working with the government in building out their network infrastructure. Getting the rights to work/sell there is tricky, but once they attained them, things got easier. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?
We provided communications to Marathon and Shell. - Original Message - From: Jeff Broadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Were you with Marathon Oil? When I worked for them, they were part of the consortium developing Sakhalin. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 2:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? We were in Sakhalin Island in Russia. The government just up and decided to take over everything. Booted out the oil companies and said finders keepers to everyone. I will never do any intl work again without full money up front. - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Dennis Burgess wrote: Depends if you are used to doing that. However, I do know they are investing quite a bit of money in the Nigerian infrustructure. I know what Routers they are using. lol Joking aside, there is big money in building telcos in Nigeria. Some Los Angeles based VCs I work with are working with the government in building out their network infrastructure. Getting the rights to work/sell there is tricky, but once they attained them, things got easier. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?
I was just curious if it was a Soviet Union thing or a Russia thing... but come to think of it I think I did hear something about Russia doing that a few years back Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 1:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Couple of years ago. - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Ouch! When did that happen Chuck? Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? We were in Sakhalin Island in Russia. The government just up and decided to take over everything. Booted out the oil companies and said finders keepers to everyone. I will never do any intl work again without full money up front. - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Dennis Burgess wrote: Depends if you are used to doing that. However, I do know they are investing quite a bit of money in the Nigerian infrustructure. I know what Routers they are using. lol Joking aside, there is big money in building telcos in Nigeria. Some Los Angeles based VCs I work with are working with the government in building out their network infrastructure. Getting the rights to work/sell there is tricky, but once they attained them, things got easier. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?
Russia, the New Soviet Union. - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? I was just curious if it was a Soviet Union thing or a Russia thing... but come to think of it I think I did hear something about Russia doing that a few years back Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 1:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Couple of years ago. - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Ouch! When did that happen Chuck? Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? We were in Sakhalin Island in Russia. The government just up and decided to take over everything. Booted out the oil companies and said finders keepers to everyone. I will never do any intl work again without full money up front. - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Dennis Burgess wrote: Depends if you are used to doing that. However, I do know they are investing quite a bit of money in the Nigerian infrustructure. I know what Routers they are using. lol Joking aside, there is big money in building telcos in Nigeria. Some Los Angeles based VCs I work with are working with the government in building out their network infrastructure. Getting the rights to work/sell there is tricky, but once they attained them, things got easier. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?
There's an In mother Russia joke in here some where... Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: Russia, the New Soviet Union. - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? I was just curious if it was a Soviet Union thing or a Russia thing... but come to think of it I think I did hear something about Russia doing that a few years back Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 1:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Couple of years ago. - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Ouch! When did that happen Chuck? Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? We were in Sakhalin Island in Russia. The government just up and decided to take over everything. Booted out the oil companies and said finders keepers to everyone. I will never do any intl work again without full money up front. - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Dennis Burgess wrote: Depends if you are used to doing that. However, I do know they are investing quite a bit of money in the Nigerian infrustructure. I know what Routers they are using. lol Joking aside, there is big money in building telcos in Nigeria. Some Los Angeles based VCs I work with are working with the government in building out their network infrastructure. Getting the rights to work/sell there is tricky, but once they attained them, things got easier. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?
Yah, the word muther was muttered many times. - Original Message - From: Christopher Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? There's an In mother Russia joke in here some where... Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: Russia, the New Soviet Union. - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? I was just curious if it was a Soviet Union thing or a Russia thing... but come to think of it I think I did hear something about Russia doing that a few years back Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 1:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Couple of years ago. - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Ouch! When did that happen Chuck? Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? We were in Sakhalin Island in Russia. The government just up and decided to take over everything. Booted out the oil companies and said finders keepers to everyone. I will never do any intl work again without full money up front. - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Dennis Burgess wrote: Depends if you are used to doing that. However, I do know they are investing quite a bit of money in the Nigerian infrustructure. I know what Routers they are using. lol Joking aside, there is big money in building telcos in Nigeria. Some Los Angeles based VCs I work with are working with the government in building out their network infrastructure. Getting the rights to work/sell there is tricky, but once they attained them, things got easier. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?
I have heard of that happening on native lands here in the US too. I have nothing to confirm that though. ryan -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 11:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? We were in Sakhalin Island in Russia. The government just up and decided to take over everything. Booted out the oil companies and said finders keepers to everyone. I will never do any intl work again without full money up front. - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Dennis Burgess wrote: Depends if you are used to doing that. However, I do know they are investing quite a bit of money in the Nigerian infrustructure. I know what Routers they are using. lol Joking aside, there is big money in building telcos in Nigeria. Some Los Angeles based VCs I work with are working with the government in building out their network infrastructure. Getting the rights to work/sell there is tricky, but once they attained them, things got easier WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?
Funny you should mention that... we have had equipment tribalized here too. Same thing applies. I have pedigreed native American blood in my veins folks, so don't think I'm being racist here: The expression indian giving is rooted in fact. It is the culture of common ownership. Even if you have an agreement signed by the tribal elders, the chapter presidency and the BIA, it means nothing. - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? I have heard of that happening on native lands here in the US too. I have nothing to confirm that though. ryan -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 11:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? We were in Sakhalin Island in Russia. The government just up and decided to take over everything. Booted out the oil companies and said finders keepers to everyone. I will never do any intl work again without full money up front. - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Dennis Burgess wrote: Depends if you are used to doing that. However, I do know they are investing quite a bit of money in the Nigerian infrustructure. I know what Routers they are using. lol Joking aside, there is big money in building telcos in Nigeria. Some Los Angeles based VCs I work with are working with the government in building out their network infrastructure. Getting the rights to work/sell there is tricky, but once they attained them, things got easier WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?
Exactly the same experience here. Lots of talk, long-winded network design, layout, and bidding process with numerous tweaks and revisions, and ultimately nothing. Complete waste of time for us, but I don't see what they get out of it either (?) Tom Sharples President Qorvus Systems, Inc. www.qorvus.com 800.757.1571 Ext 100 - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Is it just me, or do African wireless opportunities rarely materialize? I've been involved in tons and tons of big ($10+M, in theory) projects where all sorts of big numbers are thrown out, but for whatever reason, someone never ultimately pulls the trigger. (Not sure what I'm missing, but this seems to be a running theme with African projects I've ever gotten pulled in on.) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?
I have a good sized customer in Africa. Their network has been built steadily over time, and I've met the principle on several occasions. We've done lots of smaller projects, but always on a cash basis. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 4:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Exactly the same experience here. Lots of talk, long-winded network design, layout, and bidding process with numerous tweaks and revisions, and ultimately nothing. Complete waste of time for us, but I don't see what they get out of it either (?) Tom Sharples President Qorvus Systems, Inc. www.qorvus.com 800.757.1571 Ext 100 - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Is it just me, or do African wireless opportunities rarely materialize? I've been involved in tons and tons of big ($10+M, in theory) projects where all sorts of big numbers are thrown out, but for whatever reason, someone never ultimately pulls the trigger. (Not sure what I'm missing, but this seems to be a running theme with African projects I've ever gotten pulled in on.) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?
Tom Sharples wrote: Exactly the same experience here. Lots of talk, long-winded network design, layout, and bidding process with numerous tweaks and revisions, and ultimately nothing. Complete waste of time for us, but I don't see what they get out of it either (?) My guess is that the integrators who deal with the Africans get a certain degree of credibility, particularly if they have westerners at their beck and call to help a country figure out what it wants. In my experience, they seem to know they need something, they're not sure what that something is, and they've got real funds, they just don't know how they want to spend it and are skeptical of giving it to businesses that will not invest long term in their infrastructure / economy. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?
We do some business there but are very careful with every transaction. Cash up front most of the time. I think that is the main theme here. Just go in understanding the many unknowns, be cautious and don't get too involved until real money can be confirmed. That being said, no one can argue that the opportunities are huge in underdeveloped economies if you can find the right partner/customer. -Jeff General Manager CTI (773) 667-4585 x2509 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 4:07 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? I have a good sized customer in Africa. Their network has been built steadily over time, and I've met the principle on several occasions. We've done lots of smaller projects, but always on a cash basis. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 4:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Exactly the same experience here. Lots of talk, long-winded network design, layout, and bidding process with numerous tweaks and revisions, and ultimately nothing. Complete waste of time for us, but I don't see what they get out of it either (?) Tom Sharples President Qorvus Systems, Inc. www.qorvus.com 800.757.1571 Ext 100 - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Is it just me, or do African wireless opportunities rarely materialize? I've been involved in tons and tons of big ($10+M, in theory) projects where all sorts of big numbers are thrown out, but for whatever reason, someone never ultimately pulls the trigger. (Not sure what I'm missing, but this seems to be a running theme with African projects I've ever gotten pulled in on.) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?
There is a tremendous opportunity in Africa for Wireless Broadband. It has some of the the most important factors for success... need, demand, and shortage of Options, Alternatives not cost or technically feasible You'd be amazed how much businesses will pay for Broadband out there. (I heard some stories 5-6 year backs where people were paying DS3 prices for like ISDN-T1 speeds) However, conducting business in Africa is much much different. One has to know what they are doing politically. Much easier for someone that knows and understands the local culture. I had a couple friends that did both PC exporting and Broadband there. He made a killing with PCs, not sure the outcome of the Broadband venture, to date. But, yeah... It was All Cash Business, if you wanted to get paid, and it wasn't uncommon to have to pay bribes to conduct business. Lots of custom issues/tricks, to get gear to over their cost effectively. But hey, Africa is a large diverse place, just like anywhere, it probably isn't fair to make generalizations and group everything in the same box. Jungle, desert, big cities, all have different challenges. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jeff Broadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? I have a good sized customer in Africa. Their network has been built steadily over time, and I've met the principle on several occasions. We've done lots of smaller projects, but always on a cash basis. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 4:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Exactly the same experience here. Lots of talk, long-winded network design, layout, and bidding process with numerous tweaks and revisions, and ultimately nothing. Complete waste of time for us, but I don't see what they get out of it either (?) Tom Sharples President Qorvus Systems, Inc. www.qorvus.com 800.757.1571 Ext 100 - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Is it just me, or do African wireless opportunities rarely materialize? I've been involved in tons and tons of big ($10+M, in theory) projects where all sorts of big numbers are thrown out, but for whatever reason, someone never ultimately pulls the trigger. (Not sure what I'm missing, but this seems to be a running theme with African projects I've ever gotten pulled in on.) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?
Venezuela did something like this with their oil last year. Turned off any oil company, regardless of investment or pre existing contract and took over their operations. I think Chevron and Total got the screws. Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: Funny you should mention that... we have had equipment tribalized here too. Same thing applies. I have pedigreed native American blood in my veins folks, so don't think I'm being racist here: The expression indian giving is rooted in fact. It is the culture of common ownership. Even if you have an agreement signed by the tribal elders, the chapter presidency and the BIA, it means nothing. - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? I have heard of that happening on native lands here in the US too. I have nothing to confirm that though. ryan -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 11:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? We were in Sakhalin Island in Russia. The government just up and decided to take over everything. Booted out the oil companies and said finders keepers to everyone. I will never do any intl work again without full money up front. - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Dennis Burgess wrote: Depends if you are used to doing that. However, I do know they are investing quite a bit of money in the Nigerian infrustructure. I know what Routers they are using. lol Joking aside, there is big money in building telcos in Nigeria. Some Los Angeles based VCs I work with are working with the government in building out their network infrastructure. Getting the rights to work/sell there is tricky, but once they attained them, things got easier WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?
It does happen on tribal lands in the US. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless D. Ryan Spott wrote: I have heard of that happening on native lands here in the US too. I have nothing to confirm that though. ryan -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 11:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? We were in Sakhalin Island in Russia. The government just up and decided to take over everything. Booted out the oil companies and said finders keepers to everyone. I will never do any intl work again without full money up front. - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Dennis Burgess wrote: Depends if you are used to doing that. However, I do know they are investing quite a bit of money in the Nigerian infrustructure. I know what Routers they are using. lol Joking aside, there is big money in building telcos in Nigeria. Some Los Angeles based VCs I work with are working with the government in building out their network infrastructure. Getting the rights to work/sell there is tricky, but once they attained them, things got easier WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?
What you have to have is a waiver of sovereign immunity to have a binding contract with a tribal entity. Now if you can manage that you are doing pretty good. I'm sure larger corporations manage, but for us little guys you basically take your chances, or structure the deal as best you can. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: Funny you should mention that... we have had equipment tribalized here too. Same thing applies. I have pedigreed native American blood in my veins folks, so don't think I'm being racist here: The expression indian giving is rooted in fact. It is the culture of common ownership. Even if you have an agreement signed by the tribal elders, the chapter presidency and the BIA, it means nothing. - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? I have heard of that happening on native lands here in the US too. I have nothing to confirm that though. ryan -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 11:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? We were in Sakhalin Island in Russia. The government just up and decided to take over everything. Booted out the oil companies and said finders keepers to everyone. I will never do any intl work again without full money up front. - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Dennis Burgess wrote: Depends if you are used to doing that. However, I do know they are investing quite a bit of money in the Nigerian infrustructure. I know what Routers they are using. lol Joking aside, there is big money in building telcos in Nigeria. Some Los Angeles based VCs I work with are working with the government in building out their network infrastructure. Getting the rights to work/sell there is tricky, but once they attained them, things got easier WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
