Re: [WISPA] $20 'naked' DSL
I have not and will not be concerned about the phone company. We all should be streaming our businesses to have multiple revenue streams to adjust to the influx of customers coming and going from DSL and Cable. I don't know what it is like in your areas, but just because they are here doesn't mean any of the following. 1. their networks are capable even after upgrading. 2. they have any clue on costomer service and the needs of their valued customers 3. the customer is typically sick of the out of town influence 4. they cannot stay on a price point without stuffing all the inclusives down the customers throat. 5. they can never have the quality control that we have when we manage our networks becuase we care down to the placement of the ethernet in the home for the customers 6. computers are always going to create the need for us to repair them. AT&T can't manage a phone let alone a computer 7. When you get so big as they are money is everything. We alwasy maintain customer relationships are everything. 8. ok... you get my point. As for $99 per month for you 256K... i am underpriced that is what the market will do for you. It is an abosolute shame that the large companies have destroyed the margins in this business. They found that they cann't manage the money from the phone services and now when they all had a chance to make some real money the screwed that up too. Give it time and stay the course. They cannot continue to smash the price to floor and make the money they need to stay afloat. Mergers cost money, network upgrades cost money, every time they slip in cheap and press the locals out of business they win again. Spread your streams out and stay the course. Install Dish, sell computers, offer voip, network homes, fix computers, go onsite to fix the phones that the phone companies charge to much for, install cable, etc... shore up your business by spreading your weight out and when the ice gets thin from DSL you won't fall through the ice Sorry so lengthy... but Telco stands for lack of quality and your money is leaving town. Rural America doesn't like. Ross - Original Message - From: "Jack Unger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] $20 'naked' DSL Nice words from AT&T but... I'm in Los Angeles County only 1/2 mile from the city/country line. AT&T doesn't offer DSL here - apparently they don't think there are enough customers to justify the cost of upgrading their network. Will AT&T be required to offer DSL here? It sounds like they will according to the terms of the AT&T purchase of Bell South. I think the Los Angeles market is "at least 80% upgraded for broadband" but will AT&T ever REALLY offer DSL here? I'm not holding my breath. Will there ever be any enforcement of these merger terms? Again, I'm not holding my breath. I don't want to seem (or feel) ungrateful because half the secret of enjoying life is remembering to practice an "attitude of gratitude". I'm grateful that there is a WISP in the area who provides me with 256 kbps symmetrical service for "only" $99.99 per month. jack Peter R. wrote: January 16, 2007 AT&T to offer $20 'naked' DSL service LESLIE CAULEY, USA TODAY Cheaper high-speed Internet service is coming. Within a few months, AT&T is expected to start charging $19.95 a month for "naked" DSL, meaning you don't have to buy any other AT&T service, including phone, to get that rate. It currently charges $45 for a stand-alone broadband subscription. AT&T also is developing $10 DSL for new subscribers who also buy AT&T-branded phone service. AT&T plans to offer both services for at least 30 months. The clock starts as soon as the media giant starts selling them in any of the 22 states where it is the incumbent local phone company, including California, Florida, Illinois and Texas. Why so cheap? Three words: Federal Communications Commission. The FCC, which has broad regulatory control over the U.S. telecommunications industry, recently approved AT&T's acquisition of BellSouth. To get needed votes from the FCC's two Democratic members, AT&T agreed, reluctantly, to offer these DSL bargains. AT&T is required to roll out the $19.95 offer within one year and the $10 rate within six months. Gene Kimmelman, public policy director of Consumers Union, says he expects AT&T to move faster. Under the terms of the FCC agreement, AT&T is required to offer naked DSL for $19.95 in markets that are at least 80 percent upgraded for broadband. That describes many of AT&T's biggest markets, says Kimmelman, who helped negotiate the settlement. Under the deal, AT&
Re: [WISPA] $20 'naked' DSL
Nice words from AT&T but... I'm in Los Angeles County only 1/2 mile from the city/country line. AT&T doesn't offer DSL here - apparently they don't think there are enough customers to justify the cost of upgrading their network. Will AT&T be required to offer DSL here? It sounds like they will according to the terms of the AT&T purchase of Bell South. I think the Los Angeles market is "at least 80% upgraded for broadband" but will AT&T ever REALLY offer DSL here? I'm not holding my breath. Will there ever be any enforcement of these merger terms? Again, I'm not holding my breath. I don't want to seem (or feel) ungrateful because half the secret of enjoying life is remembering to practice an "attitude of gratitude". I'm grateful that there is a WISP in the area who provides me with 256 kbps symmetrical service for "only" $99.99 per month. jack Peter R. wrote: January 16, 2007 AT&T to offer $20 'naked' DSL service LESLIE CAULEY, USA TODAY Cheaper high-speed Internet service is coming. Within a few months, AT&T is expected to start charging $19.95 a month for "naked" DSL, meaning you don't have to buy any other AT&T service, including phone, to get that rate. It currently charges $45 for a stand-alone broadband subscription. AT&T also is developing $10 DSL for new subscribers who also buy AT&T-branded phone service. AT&T plans to offer both services for at least 30 months. The clock starts as soon as the media giant starts selling them in any of the 22 states where it is the incumbent local phone company, including California, Florida, Illinois and Texas. Why so cheap? Three words: Federal Communications Commission. The FCC, which has broad regulatory control over the U.S. telecommunications industry, recently approved AT&T's acquisition of BellSouth. To get needed votes from the FCC's two Democratic members, AT&T agreed, reluctantly, to offer these DSL bargains. AT&T is required to roll out the $19.95 offer within one year and the $10 rate within six months. Gene Kimmelman, public policy director of Consumers Union, says he expects AT&T to move faster. Under the terms of the FCC agreement, AT&T is required to offer naked DSL for $19.95 in markets that are at least 80 percent upgraded for broadband. That describes many of AT&T's biggest markets, says Kimmelman, who helped negotiate the settlement. Under the deal, AT&T's cheap DSL products will clock in at 768 kilobits per second. While that's slower than the 1.5 megabits to 3 megabits popular with many U.S. consumers, "it's more than good enough" for Internet telephony, Kimmelman says. As such, he thinks the twin offers could help spur sales of Internet telephony across the United States. "This opens the door for consumers" to pick other local and long-distance providers," Kimmelman says. For years, Kimmelman notes, consumers had to pay double, essentially, if they wanted to buy a high-speed broadband connection from one carrier and phone service from another. He says that let phone companies such as AT&T push broadband sales while preserving their core phone business, which still accounts for the bulk of profit. While AT&T, for example, charges $45 for naked DSL, it sells a bundle that includes phone and DSL for just $28 a month. Cable TV companies do the same thing. If purchased separately, Time Warner charges $45 a month for its high-speed cable modem service and $49.95 for digital phone. A bundle of both - plus TV service - costs $99. Comcast's service is among the priciest: It charges almost $58 a month for stand-alone broadband. Kimmelman, for one, thinks AT&T's new DSL pricing will help "discipline" broadband pricing. Once AT&T's $19.95 rate for naked DSL is broadly available, other broadband providers, including cable, "will be hard-pressed to keep hiding behind a higher price." http://indystar.gns.gannett.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070116/TECH01/609070517/1001/TECH -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] $20 'naked' DSL
Taxes, fees, and recovery surcharges are extra. Modem is free. Early term is extra. They didn't mention if you had to have a Cingular account. George Rogato wrote: AT&T is required to offer naked DSL for $19.95 in markets that are at least 80 percent upgraded for broadband. That describes many of AT&T's biggest markets, says Kimmelman, who helped negotiate the settlement. Under the deal, AT&T's cheap DSL products will clock in at 768 kilobits per second. So, this means ONLY in the markets that have 80% broadband penetration? And it's only 768k, so upgrades are the norm. Wonder if that icludes takes, modem rental and other fees may apply, as wel as early termination fees? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] $20 'naked' DSL
I know it's not the answer your looking for, but I am in a market served by cable and dsl all at just as fast rates and just about the same pricing or less. My advantage is the personalized service. When was the last time the owner of ATT went to the home of a customer and gave them support. Our nitch is being constantly redefined. Today it is service more than availability. At least there is a segment of the market where we win hands down, the quality of service segment. George Chadd Thompson wrote: Almost makes you want to close the doors on the rural market and let the FCC/Gov fund/force ATT or whoever to provide service in these underserved areas. It is going to get to the point where we are only going to be able to compete in areas where DSL/Cable is not available. I am not sure about the rest of you but there are not enough of those customers in our area to survive on that alone. It disgusts me anymore to see this type of stuff, well this and to see how many ISP's are getting huge amount of $$$ from the government to provide service in areas that are already served by one or more ISP's. One of our local ISP's has received a cash cow to deploy fiber over a good portion of Southern IL. I am surprised Scriv hasn't mentioned this as I think it is going to encroach on a few areas he currently serves. Kimmelman, for one, thinks AT&T's new DSL pricing will help "discipline" broadband pricing. Once AT&T's $19.95 rate for naked DSL is broadly available, other broadband providers, including cable, "will be hard-pressed to keep hiding behind a higher price." They need to do something with AT&T to get them to improve service and reduce cost for competing ISP's who are forced to either buy bandwidth from them or pay their outrageous local loop prices. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] $20 'naked' DSL
Almost makes you want to close the doors on the rural market and let the FCC/Gov fund/force ATT or whoever to provide service in these underserved areas. It is going to get to the point where we are only going to be able to compete in areas where DSL/Cable is not available. I am not sure about the rest of you but there are not enough of those customers in our area to survive on that alone. It disgusts me anymore to see this type of stuff, well this and to see how many ISP's are getting huge amount of $$$ from the government to provide service in areas that are already served by one or more ISP's. One of our local ISP's has received a cash cow to deploy fiber over a good portion of Southern IL. I am surprised Scriv hasn't mentioned this as I think it is going to encroach on a few areas he currently serves. > > Kimmelman, for one, thinks AT&T's new DSL pricing will help "discipline" > broadband pricing. Once AT&T's $19.95 rate for naked DSL is broadly > available, other broadband providers, including cable, "will be > hard-pressed to keep hiding behind a higher price." > They need to do something with AT&T to get them to improve service and reduce cost for competing ISP's who are forced to either buy bandwidth from them or pay their outrageous local loop prices. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] $20 'naked' DSL
AT&T is required to offer naked DSL for $19.95 in markets that are at least 80 percent upgraded for broadband. That describes many of AT&T's biggest markets, says Kimmelman, who helped negotiate the settlement. Under the deal, AT&T's cheap DSL products will clock in at 768 kilobits per second. So, this means ONLY in the markets that have 80% broadband penetration? And it's only 768k, so upgrades are the norm. Wonder if that icludes takes, modem rental and other fees may apply, as wel as early termination fees? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
