RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
Is foliage a problem in your area? Sounds like your using a lot of 900 gear. If foliage is not a problem you might want to look at 2.4 or possibly 5.7 gear. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. Our network is currently made up of Raylink FHSS Trango 900 Raylink/Brilan DSSS Alvarion 900 Trango Link-10 All in all we have had pretty good luck with all of the above once the bugs were worked out. The real workhorse of our network is Raylink FHSS but we are starting to move away from it due to the bandwidth limitations of FHSS. The raylink/brilan DSSS works fairly well but has some minor irritations with regards to signal strength readouts and I am concerned about future updates and upgrades from them. The alvarion 900 works well but is a pain to install. Trango 900 works well also but offers no indoor installation options and cpe costs are still high. We are going to be setting up a few new pops this year and I would like to try out some new equipment, hopefully something that would work out well enough to use for upgrading our existing network as time goes by. I have looked into MT and StarOS due to the ability to be able to keep the equipment upgraded with software updates and if needed completely replace the software in the future using the same hardware. I also like the thought of having one platform that I could use for 2.4, 5.x and 900 in the future. What I am worried about is going through the hassle of building out all the CPE's keeping the software up to date and the cost is not all that great. I also want something that is aesthetically pleasing, rootennas are not all that attractive. I am also looking for something to put up and forget about. Demarc stuff looks pretty nice and the price is not bad but I had heard of some reliability issues in the past, they may have all been taken care of by now though. I also had a hard time getting a hold of anyone there in the past when I was considering making a purchase. This may have changed also its been a while since I called. Canopy looks attractive do to the one brand all bands and the pricing is tolerable. I am not sure I like being stuck with Vert polarity, its noisy here and it kind of scares me going with proprietary equipment. The Trango 2.4, not really sure why I put this down because it really doesn't seem competitive cost wise. I am interested in what type of performance people are getting out of them though and how they are doing in noisy environments. The 900 is not all that great when it is noisy in my experience. I am interested in the waverider for one particular residential area that would be very nice to have a preconfigured radio for someone to pick up and do a self install indoors. Getting rid of a truck roll and having to have something on the outside of the home. Also looking for a backhaul to try besides the link-10 from trango. Would like to find something in the 5.8 band with similar throughputand latency of trango for the same or less $$. This is another reason I thought about MT, StarOs, Demarc stuff was for multiple radios on the same board so the AP and BH could be the same piece of hardware and software. Just looking for some comments in general about the different options and why you did/didn't pick one over the other. Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:33 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. What are you using now? What are you trying to accomplish? The first 3 you list are all 802.11a/b/g the last 3 are all proprietary. There are people on this list for every different system you just described, not sure how many people have used them all. I have used StarOS, Mikrotik, and Motorola 5.7 and 2.4 Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
We have a lot of fence rows in this area so 900 is going to be a necessary evil like it or not. I tried using 5.7 Trango for a few installs early on and just couldn't get any range out of it in this area, and the noise floor is fairly high in 5.x around here. It seems like more and more people are starting up in this area all the time and the noise floor continues to rise, I would like to find a solution that does well in noisy environments and maybe even something that uses the spectrum a bit more efficiently than standard 802.xx. Our FHSS has been great as far as noise has been concerned. We have had two competitors come in and install DSSS 2.4 within a few blocks of our FHSS and we never saw any difference. They have done installs shooting directly over the top of our customers on the same polarity and again it just keeps plugging along. The others in the area definitely don't give a hoot about us and how could possible affect our service or customers so I need to do what it takes to keep our network as robust as possible. I wouldn't mind sticking with FHSS but I just don't see it giving us room to stretch our legs as customers expect faster and faster connections. It is starting to work out for us though because we are starting to get calls from their customers inquiring about switching over to our service based off of recommendations from their neighbors. Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:02 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. Is foliage a problem in your area? Sounds like your using a lot of 900 gear. If foliage is not a problem you might want to look at 2.4 or possibly 5.7 gear. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
Does the 3db SNR still apply when using 2X mode? I was under the impression that 2X requires 10db -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:20 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. If your concerned about noise consider Motorola, it has excellent noise rejection, it only needs somewhere around 3db above the noise for your throughput. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:31 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. We have a lot of fence rows in this area so 900 is going to be a necessary evil like it or not. I tried using 5.7 Trango for a few installs early on and just couldn't get any range out of it in this area, and the noise floor is fairly high in 5.x around here. It seems like more and more people are starting up in this area all the time and the noise floor continues to rise, I would like to find a solution that does well in noisy environments and maybe even something that uses the spectrum a bit more efficiently than standard 802.xx. Our FHSS has been great as far as noise has been concerned. We have had two competitors come in and install DSSS 2.4 within a few blocks of our FHSS and we never saw any difference. They have done installs shooting directly over the top of our customers on the same polarity and again it just keeps plugging along. The others in the area definitely don't give a hoot about us and how could possible affect our service or customers so I need to do what it takes to keep our network as robust as possible. I wouldn't mind sticking with FHSS but I just don't see it giving us room to stretch our legs as customers expect faster and faster connections. It is starting to work out for us though because we are starting to get calls from their customers inquiring about switching over to our service based off of recommendations from their neighbors. Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:02 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. Is foliage a problem in your area? Sounds like your using a lot of 900 gear. If foliage is not a problem you might want to look at 2.4 or possibly 5.7 gear. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
Also that is 3db at -65dbm signal -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:20 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. If your concerned about noise consider Motorola, it has excellent noise rejection, it only needs somewhere around 3db above the noise for your throughput. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:31 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. We have a lot of fence rows in this area so 900 is going to be a necessary evil like it or not. I tried using 5.7 Trango for a few installs early on and just couldn't get any range out of it in this area, and the noise floor is fairly high in 5.x around here. It seems like more and more people are starting up in this area all the time and the noise floor continues to rise, I would like to find a solution that does well in noisy environments and maybe even something that uses the spectrum a bit more efficiently than standard 802.xx. Our FHSS has been great as far as noise has been concerned. We have had two competitors come in and install DSSS 2.4 within a few blocks of our FHSS and we never saw any difference. They have done installs shooting directly over the top of our customers on the same polarity and again it just keeps plugging along. The others in the area definitely don't give a hoot about us and how could possible affect our service or customers so I need to do what it takes to keep our network as robust as possible. I wouldn't mind sticking with FHSS but I just don't see it giving us room to stretch our legs as customers expect faster and faster connections. It is starting to work out for us though because we are starting to get calls from their customers inquiring about switching over to our service based off of recommendations from their neighbors. Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:02 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. Is foliage a problem in your area? Sounds like your using a lot of 900 gear. If foliage is not a problem you might want to look at 2.4 or possibly 5.7 gear. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
What are you using now? What are you trying to accomplish? The first 3 you list are all 802.11a/b/g the last 3 are all proprietary. There are people on this list for every different system you just described, not sure how many people have used them all. I have used StarOS, Mikrotik, and Motorola 5.7 and 2.4 Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. I am looking for some feedback on the following equipment and would like to chat a bit with anyone willing to share your experience with it. Mikrotik based AP/Clients/BH any band StarOS based AP/Clients/BH any band Demarctech AP/Clients/BH any band Motorola Canopy any band Trango 2.4 Waverider 900 Or any similar products besides Tranzeo and Smartbridges. Thanks, Chadd -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
