RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless...
I still talk with Doug Harmon and Kevin Knuth once in awhile on IM. Doug is working on a municipal wireless project in Dublin, Ohio. Kevin is working for Maplenet with the RBak product. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 3:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... The "second" Doug was Doug Harmon (or Harman). jack Jeff Broadwick wrote: > I don't know about the 2nd Doug, but their main sales guy, Kevin Knuth, is > still in Fort Wayne, IN. > > Jeff > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Patrick Leary > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 1:56 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... > > :) Yep. WaveAccess was from Lucent and had the same roots (literally, > through LANair) as BreezeCOM. Lucent discontinued it when they moved to > DSSS, which was better for wireless LAN, at least in terms of what was > allowed per the FCC rules (wide band hopping was never permitted so hoppers > were hogtied to lower bandwidth...it was eventually permitted, but only at > very low power, useless for all our market). > > And yes, the two Dougs of KarlNet. Doug Karl, as frustrating as all that > was, did do okay in the end but he was hosed (in my opinion) by YDI. > > Patrick > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Rick Harnish > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:41 AM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... > > Patrick, > > I remember a lot of that transition well. Our first wireless gear in > 1997 > was WaveAccess. I have no idea what ever happened to them but I remember it > was FHSS. We put an AP in our office attic and served up the local library > and several businesses around our building. The library and several of > those businesses are still customers today! > > Ahh and you forgot about Doug Karl's Karlnet, based on a > Lucent/Orinoco/Agere platform. Sold to YDI, then Terabeam then was > essentially EOL'd when Proxim bought Terabeam. It seems like all those > transactions transpired in about 18 months. Talk about torture for Karlnet > customers! > > Respectfully, > > Rick Harnish > President > OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. > 260-827-2482 > Founding Member of WISPA > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Patrick Leary > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 12:25 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... > > Well, for sure this industry never stands still does it Steve? As one fond > of change, that one of the things I most enjoy. I knew from people there > that V-com has become Vecima (much better 'new millienium' type name), but I > did not know they absorbed Wave/Waverider. Did Charles > (Brown) join Vecima too? > > Years ago when the Cirronet folks were creating their company out of their > successful industrial wireless space, I sat down with of the principals. > They really thought they had the secret sauce. I was very cautionary, trying > to impart how challenging the market was/(is!). They had a hard and not > especially gratifying few years. > > I forgot about Arraycom sold off iBurst. Sigh. It made me "remember how much > I have forgotten" about lost companies in this business. Remember ioSpan? > How about Beamreach? Remember they even had a successful Verizon trial fours > years ago. > > And then how about all the companies bought, collapsed into and morphed over > the years? Someday we should build a full "BWIA family tree" of sorts. Fun > examples (I might be a little off [is that Fruedian?]) just from perhaps the > 4 original wireless LAN pioneers: > > Glenair spun off Western Multiplex>WMUX buys the original WLAN pioneer > Proxim and keeps Proxim name> Proxim buys Farallon and Proxim buys > Agere>Proxim sold in bankruptcy to YDI who had recently "bought" > Terabeam>YDI/Terabeam dba Proxim > > And within that story is Agere: Lannet spins off>LANair pieces become part > of Lucent's original pioneering WLAN group>Lucent spins out Agere which > comes out with Orinoco which ends up at Proxim... > > And fewer would know the others with ties from LANair formed original WLAN > pioneer Bree
Re: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless...
The "second" Doug was Doug Harmon (or Harman). jack Jeff Broadwick wrote: I don't know about the 2nd Doug, but their main sales guy, Kevin Knuth, is still in Fort Wayne, IN. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 1:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... :) Yep. WaveAccess was from Lucent and had the same roots (literally, through LANair) as BreezeCOM. Lucent discontinued it when they moved to DSSS, which was better for wireless LAN, at least in terms of what was allowed per the FCC rules (wide band hopping was never permitted so hoppers were hogtied to lower bandwidth...it was eventually permitted, but only at very low power, useless for all our market). And yes, the two Dougs of KarlNet. Doug Karl, as frustrating as all that was, did do okay in the end but he was hosed (in my opinion) by YDI. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... Patrick, I remember a lot of that transition well. Our first wireless gear in 1997 was WaveAccess. I have no idea what ever happened to them but I remember it was FHSS. We put an AP in our office attic and served up the local library and several businesses around our building. The library and several of those businesses are still customers today! Ahh and you forgot about Doug Karl's Karlnet, based on a Lucent/Orinoco/Agere platform. Sold to YDI, then Terabeam then was essentially EOL'd when Proxim bought Terabeam. It seems like all those transactions transpired in about 18 months. Talk about torture for Karlnet customers! Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 12:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... Well, for sure this industry never stands still does it Steve? As one fond of change, that one of the things I most enjoy. I knew from people there that V-com has become Vecima (much better 'new millienium' type name), but I did not know they absorbed Wave/Waverider. Did Charles (Brown) join Vecima too? Years ago when the Cirronet folks were creating their company out of their successful industrial wireless space, I sat down with of the principals. They really thought they had the secret sauce. I was very cautionary, trying to impart how challenging the market was/(is!). They had a hard and not especially gratifying few years. I forgot about Arraycom sold off iBurst. Sigh. It made me "remember how much I have forgotten" about lost companies in this business. Remember ioSpan? How about Beamreach? Remember they even had a successful Verizon trial fours years ago. And then how about all the companies bought, collapsed into and morphed over the years? Someday we should build a full "BWIA family tree" of sorts. Fun examples (I might be a little off [is that Fruedian?]) just from perhaps the 4 original wireless LAN pioneers: Glenair spun off Western Multiplex>WMUX buys the original WLAN pioneer Proxim and keeps Proxim name> Proxim buys Farallon and Proxim buys Agere>Proxim sold in bankruptcy to YDI who had recently "bought" Terabeam>YDI/Terabeam dba Proxim And within that story is Agere: Lannet spins off>LANair pieces become part of Lucent's original pioneering WLAN group>Lucent spins out Agere which comes out with Orinoco which ends up at Proxim... And fewer would know the others with ties from LANair formed original WLAN pioneer BreezeCOM, which later merged with Floware to became Alvarion in 2001... How many remember that Telxon created original WLAN pioneer Aironet which was bought by Cisco. And all that is one tiny fraction of all that has taken place and does not even cover the rise of the UL BWA application itself where we were also a principal pioneer on the product side (but we were only smartly following the lead of the original WISPs, most who were using our gear that pre-dated DSSS) as the others stayed in WLAN. I wonder what the next 12 years will bring? Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Stroh Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 8:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless Internet Access Vendors list Patrick: Thanks for the inputs. FreeWave and MDS were added from a previous reply. Lightpointe typo
RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless...
I don't know about the 2nd Doug, but their main sales guy, Kevin Knuth, is still in Fort Wayne, IN. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 1:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... :) Yep. WaveAccess was from Lucent and had the same roots (literally, through LANair) as BreezeCOM. Lucent discontinued it when they moved to DSSS, which was better for wireless LAN, at least in terms of what was allowed per the FCC rules (wide band hopping was never permitted so hoppers were hogtied to lower bandwidth...it was eventually permitted, but only at very low power, useless for all our market). And yes, the two Dougs of KarlNet. Doug Karl, as frustrating as all that was, did do okay in the end but he was hosed (in my opinion) by YDI. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... Patrick, I remember a lot of that transition well. Our first wireless gear in 1997 was WaveAccess. I have no idea what ever happened to them but I remember it was FHSS. We put an AP in our office attic and served up the local library and several businesses around our building. The library and several of those businesses are still customers today! Ahh and you forgot about Doug Karl's Karlnet, based on a Lucent/Orinoco/Agere platform. Sold to YDI, then Terabeam then was essentially EOL'd when Proxim bought Terabeam. It seems like all those transactions transpired in about 18 months. Talk about torture for Karlnet customers! Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 12:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... Well, for sure this industry never stands still does it Steve? As one fond of change, that one of the things I most enjoy. I knew from people there that V-com has become Vecima (much better 'new millienium' type name), but I did not know they absorbed Wave/Waverider. Did Charles (Brown) join Vecima too? Years ago when the Cirronet folks were creating their company out of their successful industrial wireless space, I sat down with of the principals. They really thought they had the secret sauce. I was very cautionary, trying to impart how challenging the market was/(is!). They had a hard and not especially gratifying few years. I forgot about Arraycom sold off iBurst. Sigh. It made me "remember how much I have forgotten" about lost companies in this business. Remember ioSpan? How about Beamreach? Remember they even had a successful Verizon trial fours years ago. And then how about all the companies bought, collapsed into and morphed over the years? Someday we should build a full "BWIA family tree" of sorts. Fun examples (I might be a little off [is that Fruedian?]) just from perhaps the 4 original wireless LAN pioneers: Glenair spun off Western Multiplex>WMUX buys the original WLAN pioneer Proxim and keeps Proxim name> Proxim buys Farallon and Proxim buys Agere>Proxim sold in bankruptcy to YDI who had recently "bought" Terabeam>YDI/Terabeam dba Proxim And within that story is Agere: Lannet spins off>LANair pieces become part of Lucent's original pioneering WLAN group>Lucent spins out Agere which comes out with Orinoco which ends up at Proxim... And fewer would know the others with ties from LANair formed original WLAN pioneer BreezeCOM, which later merged with Floware to became Alvarion in 2001... How many remember that Telxon created original WLAN pioneer Aironet which was bought by Cisco. And all that is one tiny fraction of all that has taken place and does not even cover the rise of the UL BWA application itself where we were also a principal pioneer on the product side (but we were only smartly following the lead of the original WISPs, most who were using our gear that pre-dated DSSS) as the others stayed in WLAN. I wonder what the next 12 years will bring? Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Stroh Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 8:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless Internet Access Vendors list Patrick: Thanks for the inputs. FreeWave and MDS were added from a previous reply. Lightpointe typo corrected. Wave Wireless / Waverider was sold to Vecima Networks. ZTE added. Huawei added
RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless...
Both Dougs are class guys and they'd bring credit to any organization. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 11:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... I, for one, would welcome him back. He's a sharp cookie and he was fair in his business dealings with me. jack Rick Harnish wrote: > I think he went to seminary for a couple years. Word has it that he is > considering getting back in the industry. > > Rick Harnish > President > OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. > 260-827-2482 > Founding Member of WISPA > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 1:25 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' > Subject: RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... > > Wonder what Doug Karl is up to these days... > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of V Proffer > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 1:09 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... > > My first radios were Karlnet. In those days they were very robust. > We then migrated to Alvarion (wasn't called that in those days). > > It amazes me how this industry has changed in the last decade. We are > actually seeing sub $200 CPE in both 2.4 and 5 GHz, the FBI wants access to > our networks, city's are proposing that everyone has Wi-Fi, etc. > Just an amazing industry, wonder where the next 10 years will take us... > > Victoria Proffer > www.Stlbroadband.com > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Rick Harnish > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 11:41 AM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... > > Patrick, > > I remember a lot of that transition well. Our first wireless gear in 1997 > was WaveAccess. I have no idea what ever happened to them but I remember it > was FHSS. We put an AP in our office attic and served up the local library > and several businesses around our building. The library and several of > those businesses are still customers today! > > Ahh and you forgot about Doug Karl's Karlnet, based on a > Lucent/Orinoco/Agere platform. Sold to YDI, then Terabeam then was > essentially EOL'd when Proxim bought Terabeam. It seems like all those > transactions transpired in about 18 months. Talk about torture for Karlnet > customers! > > Respectfully, > > Rick Harnish > President > OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. > 260-827-2482 > Founding Member of WISPA < earlier stuff pa-rooned > -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I agree with Jack. I think he would be great on the Muni-Wi-Fi projects. Victoria -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 1:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... I, for one, would welcome him back. He's a sharp cookie and he was fair in his business dealings with me. jack Rick Harnish wrote: > I think he went to seminary for a couple years. Word has it that he is > considering getting back in the industry. > > Rick Harnish > President > OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. > 260-827-2482 > Founding Member of WISPA > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 1:25 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' > Subject: RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... > > Wonder what Doug Karl is up to these days... > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of V Proffer > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 1:09 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... > > My first radios were Karlnet. In those days they were very robust. > We then migrated to Alvarion (wasn't called that in those days). > > It amazes me how this industry has changed in the last decade. We are > actually seeing sub $200 CPE in both 2.4 and 5 GHz, the FBI wants access to > our networks, city's are proposing that everyone has Wi-Fi, etc. > Just an amazing industry, wonder where the next 10 years will take us... > > Victoria Proffer > www.Stlbroadband.com > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Rick Harnish > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 11:41 AM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... > > Patrick, > > I remember a lot of that transition well. Our first wireless gear in 1997 > was WaveAccess. I have no idea what ever happened to them but I remember it > was FHSS. We put an AP in our office attic and served up the local library > and several businesses around our building. The library and several of > those businesses are still customers today! > > Ahh and you forgot about Doug Karl's Karlnet, based on a > Lucent/Orinoco/Agere platform. Sold to YDI, then Terabeam then was > essentially EOL'd when Proxim bought Terabeam. It seems like all those > transactions transpired in about 18 months. Talk about torture for Karlnet > customers! > > Respectfully, > > Rick Harnish > President > OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. > 260-827-2482 > Founding Member of WISPA < earlier stuff pa-rooned > -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.24/592 - Release Date: 12/18/2006 1:45 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I, for one, would welcome him back. He's a sharp cookie and he was fair in his business dealings with me. jack Rick Harnish wrote: I think he went to seminary for a couple years. Word has it that he is considering getting back in the industry. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 1:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... Wonder what Doug Karl is up to these days... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of V Proffer Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 1:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... My first radios were Karlnet. In those days they were very robust. We then migrated to Alvarion (wasn't called that in those days). It amazes me how this industry has changed in the last decade. We are actually seeing sub $200 CPE in both 2.4 and 5 GHz, the FBI wants access to our networks, city's are proposing that everyone has Wi-Fi, etc. Just an amazing industry, wonder where the next 10 years will take us... Victoria Proffer www.Stlbroadband.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 11:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... Patrick, I remember a lot of that transition well. Our first wireless gear in 1997 was WaveAccess. I have no idea what ever happened to them but I remember it was FHSS. We put an AP in our office attic and served up the local library and several businesses around our building. The library and several of those businesses are still customers today! Ahh and you forgot about Doug Karl's Karlnet, based on a Lucent/Orinoco/Agere platform. Sold to YDI, then Terabeam then was essentially EOL'd when Proxim bought Terabeam. It seems like all those transactions transpired in about 18 months. Talk about torture for Karlnet customers! Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA < earlier stuff pa-rooned > -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless...
Yes, it was torture and still is! Oh, and to those of still using Karlnet/TurboCell, that company is Karlnet/YDI/Terrorbeam/Proxim/or "Whatever they call themselves this week!" And, BTW Terrorbeam bought Proxim.. Rick Harnish wrote: Ahh and you forgot about Doug Karl's Karlnet, based on a Lucent/Orinoco/Agere platform. Sold to YDI, then Terabeam then was essentially EOL'd when Proxim bought Terabeam. It seems like all those transactions transpired in about 18 months. Talk about torture for Karlnet customers! Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 12:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... Well, for sure this industry never stands still does it Steve? As one fond of change, that one of the things I most enjoy. I knew from people there that V-com has become Vecima (much better 'new millienium' type name), but I did not know they absorbed Wave/Waverider. Did Charles (Brown) join Vecima too? Years ago when the Cirronet folks were creating their company out of their successful industrial wireless space, I sat down with of the principals. They really thought they had the secret sauce. I was very cautionary, trying to impart how challenging the market was/(is!). They had a hard and not especially gratifying few years. I forgot about Arraycom sold off iBurst. Sigh. It made me "remember how much I have forgotten" about lost companies in this business. Remember ioSpan? How about Beamreach? Remember they even had a successful Verizon trial fours years ago. And then how about all the companies bought, collapsed into and morphed over the years? Someday we should build a full "BWIA family tree" of sorts. Fun examples (I might be a little off [is that Fruedian?]) just from perhaps the 4 original wireless LAN pioneers: Glenair spun off Western Multiplex>WMUX buys the original WLAN pioneer Proxim and keeps Proxim name> Proxim buys Farallon and Proxim buys Agere>Proxim sold in bankruptcy to YDI who had recently "bought" Terabeam>YDI/Terabeam dba Proxim And within that story is Agere: Lannet spins off>LANair pieces become part of Lucent's original pioneering WLAN group>Lucent spins out Agere which comes out with Orinoco which ends up at Proxim... And fewer would know the others with ties from LANair formed original WLAN pioneer BreezeCOM, which later merged with Floware to became Alvarion in 2001... How many remember that Telxon created original WLAN pioneer Aironet which was bought by Cisco. And all that is one tiny fraction of all that has taken place and does not even cover the rise of the UL BWA application itself where we were also a principal pioneer on the product side (but we were only smartly following the lead of the original WISPs, most who were using our gear that pre-dated DSSS) as the others stayed in WLAN. I wonder what the next 12 years will bring? Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Stroh Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 8:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless Internet Access Vendors list Patrick: Thanks for the inputs. FreeWave and MDS were added from a previous reply. Lightpointe typo corrected. Wave Wireless / Waverider was sold to Vecima Networks. ZTE added. Huawei added. Almost couldn't find any references to Acton; it's actually Accton, now added. Added AWB. Cirronet still lists their Broadband Wireless gear. As far as I can tell, Qualcomm doesn't actually make gear - the only thing they manufacture is chipsets and lawsuits. Arraycomm is also out of the equipment business - only intellectual property and IntelliCell. iBurst was spun off to Kyocera. Good point on Terabeam; it was deleted and Proxim added. Thanks, Steve On Feb 15, 2007, at Feb 15 07:17 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: Steve, here are a few off my head that are not there...Freewave, MDS, Lightpointe is with an "e" on the end, Wave Wireless (formerly Waverider, etc.), ZTE (ZiMAX), Huwaie, Acton Wireless Broadband (AWB), is Cirronet still around?, Qualcomm (with their MediaFLO), Arraycom, Terabeam actually dba's as Proxim. P.S. - thanks for only including legal vendors Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Steve Stroh 425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Writing about BWIA again! - www.bwianews.com -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa
RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless...
It's been wild hasn't it Victoria. Glad to see you still chugging away. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of V Proffer Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... My first radios were Karlnet. In those days they were very robust. We then migrated to Alvarion (wasn't called that in those days). It amazes me how this industry has changed in the last decade. We are actually seeing sub $200 CPE in both 2.4 and 5 GHz, the FBI wants access to our networks, city's are proposing that everyone has Wi-Fi, etc. Just an amazing industry, wonder where the next 10 years will take us... Victoria Proffer www.Stlbroadband.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 11:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... Patrick, I remember a lot of that transition well. Our first wireless gear in 1997 was WaveAccess. I have no idea what ever happened to them but I remember it was FHSS. We put an AP in our office attic and served up the local library and several businesses around our building. The library and several of those businesses are still customers today! Ahh and you forgot about Doug Karl's Karlnet, based on a Lucent/Orinoco/Agere platform. Sold to YDI, then Terabeam then was essentially EOL'd when Proxim bought Terabeam. It seems like all those transactions transpired in about 18 months. Talk about torture for Karlnet customers! Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 12:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... Well, for sure this industry never stands still does it Steve? As one fond of change, that one of the things I most enjoy. I knew from people there that V-com has become Vecima (much better 'new millienium' type name), but I did not know they absorbed Wave/Waverider. Did Charles (Brown) join Vecima too? Years ago when the Cirronet folks were creating their company out of their successful industrial wireless space, I sat down with of the principals. They really thought they had the secret sauce. I was very cautionary, trying to impart how challenging the market was/(is!). They had a hard and not especially gratifying few years. I forgot about Arraycom sold off iBurst. Sigh. It made me "remember how much I have forgotten" about lost companies in this business. Remember ioSpan? How about Beamreach? Remember they even had a successful Verizon trial fours years ago. And then how about all the companies bought, collapsed into and morphed over the years? Someday we should build a full "BWIA family tree" of sorts. Fun examples (I might be a little off [is that Fruedian?]) just from perhaps the 4 original wireless LAN pioneers: Glenair spun off Western Multiplex>WMUX buys the original WLAN pioneer Proxim and keeps Proxim name> Proxim buys Farallon and Proxim buys Agere>Proxim sold in bankruptcy to YDI who had recently "bought" Terabeam>YDI/Terabeam dba Proxim And within that story is Agere: Lannet spins off>LANair pieces become part of Lucent's original pioneering WLAN group>Lucent spins out Agere which comes out with Orinoco which ends up at Proxim... And fewer would know the others with ties from LANair formed original WLAN pioneer BreezeCOM, which later merged with Floware to became Alvarion in 2001... How many remember that Telxon created original WLAN pioneer Aironet which was bought by Cisco. And all that is one tiny fraction of all that has taken place and does not even cover the rise of the UL BWA application itself where we were also a principal pioneer on the product side (but we were only smartly following the lead of the original WISPs, most who were using our gear that pre-dated DSSS) as the others stayed in WLAN. I wonder what the next 12 years will bring? Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Stroh Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 8:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless Internet Access Vendors list Patrick: Thanks for the inputs. FreeWave and MDS were added from a previous reply. Lightpointe typo corrected. Wave Wireless / Waverider was sold to Vecima Networks. ZTE added. Huawei added. Almost couldn't find any references to Acton; it's actually Accton, now added. Added
RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless...
:) Yep. WaveAccess was from Lucent and had the same roots (literally, through LANair) as BreezeCOM. Lucent discontinued it when they moved to DSSS, which was better for wireless LAN, at least in terms of what was allowed per the FCC rules (wide band hopping was never permitted so hoppers were hogtied to lower bandwidth...it was eventually permitted, but only at very low power, useless for all our market). And yes, the two Dougs of KarlNet. Doug Karl, as frustrating as all that was, did do okay in the end but he was hosed (in my opinion) by YDI. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... Patrick, I remember a lot of that transition well. Our first wireless gear in 1997 was WaveAccess. I have no idea what ever happened to them but I remember it was FHSS. We put an AP in our office attic and served up the local library and several businesses around our building. The library and several of those businesses are still customers today! Ahh and you forgot about Doug Karl's Karlnet, based on a Lucent/Orinoco/Agere platform. Sold to YDI, then Terabeam then was essentially EOL'd when Proxim bought Terabeam. It seems like all those transactions transpired in about 18 months. Talk about torture for Karlnet customers! Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 12:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... Well, for sure this industry never stands still does it Steve? As one fond of change, that one of the things I most enjoy. I knew from people there that V-com has become Vecima (much better 'new millienium' type name), but I did not know they absorbed Wave/Waverider. Did Charles (Brown) join Vecima too? Years ago when the Cirronet folks were creating their company out of their successful industrial wireless space, I sat down with of the principals. They really thought they had the secret sauce. I was very cautionary, trying to impart how challenging the market was/(is!). They had a hard and not especially gratifying few years. I forgot about Arraycom sold off iBurst. Sigh. It made me "remember how much I have forgotten" about lost companies in this business. Remember ioSpan? How about Beamreach? Remember they even had a successful Verizon trial fours years ago. And then how about all the companies bought, collapsed into and morphed over the years? Someday we should build a full "BWIA family tree" of sorts. Fun examples (I might be a little off [is that Fruedian?]) just from perhaps the 4 original wireless LAN pioneers: Glenair spun off Western Multiplex>WMUX buys the original WLAN pioneer Proxim and keeps Proxim name> Proxim buys Farallon and Proxim buys Agere>Proxim sold in bankruptcy to YDI who had recently "bought" Terabeam>YDI/Terabeam dba Proxim And within that story is Agere: Lannet spins off>LANair pieces become part of Lucent's original pioneering WLAN group>Lucent spins out Agere which comes out with Orinoco which ends up at Proxim... And fewer would know the others with ties from LANair formed original WLAN pioneer BreezeCOM, which later merged with Floware to became Alvarion in 2001... How many remember that Telxon created original WLAN pioneer Aironet which was bought by Cisco. And all that is one tiny fraction of all that has taken place and does not even cover the rise of the UL BWA application itself where we were also a principal pioneer on the product side (but we were only smartly following the lead of the original WISPs, most who were using our gear that pre-dated DSSS) as the others stayed in WLAN. I wonder what the next 12 years will bring? Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Stroh Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 8:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless Internet Access Vendors list Patrick: Thanks for the inputs. FreeWave and MDS were added from a previous reply. Lightpointe typo corrected. Wave Wireless / Waverider was sold to Vecima Networks. ZTE added. Huawei added. Almost couldn't find any references to Acton; it's actually Accton, now added. Added AWB. Cirronet still lists their Broadband Wireless gear. As far as I can tell, Qualcomm doesn't actually make gear - the only thing they manufacture is chipsets and lawsuits. Arraycomm is also out of the equipment business - only intellectual
RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless...
I think he went to seminary for a couple years. Word has it that he is considering getting back in the industry. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 1:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... Wonder what Doug Karl is up to these days... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of V Proffer Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 1:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... My first radios were Karlnet. In those days they were very robust. We then migrated to Alvarion (wasn't called that in those days). It amazes me how this industry has changed in the last decade. We are actually seeing sub $200 CPE in both 2.4 and 5 GHz, the FBI wants access to our networks, city's are proposing that everyone has Wi-Fi, etc. Just an amazing industry, wonder where the next 10 years will take us... Victoria Proffer www.Stlbroadband.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 11:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... Patrick, I remember a lot of that transition well. Our first wireless gear in 1997 was WaveAccess. I have no idea what ever happened to them but I remember it was FHSS. We put an AP in our office attic and served up the local library and several businesses around our building. The library and several of those businesses are still customers today! Ahh and you forgot about Doug Karl's Karlnet, based on a Lucent/Orinoco/Agere platform. Sold to YDI, then Terabeam then was essentially EOL'd when Proxim bought Terabeam. It seems like all those transactions transpired in about 18 months. Talk about torture for Karlnet customers! Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 12:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... Well, for sure this industry never stands still does it Steve? As one fond of change, that one of the things I most enjoy. I knew from people there that V-com has become Vecima (much better 'new millienium' type name), but I did not know they absorbed Wave/Waverider. Did Charles (Brown) join Vecima too? Years ago when the Cirronet folks were creating their company out of their successful industrial wireless space, I sat down with of the principals. They really thought they had the secret sauce. I was very cautionary, trying to impart how challenging the market was/(is!). They had a hard and not especially gratifying few years. I forgot about Arraycom sold off iBurst. Sigh. It made me "remember how much I have forgotten" about lost companies in this business. Remember ioSpan? How about Beamreach? Remember they even had a successful Verizon trial fours years ago. And then how about all the companies bought, collapsed into and morphed over the years? Someday we should build a full "BWIA family tree" of sorts. Fun examples (I might be a little off [is that Fruedian?]) just from perhaps the 4 original wireless LAN pioneers: Glenair spun off Western Multiplex>WMUX buys the original WLAN pioneer Proxim and keeps Proxim name> Proxim buys Farallon and Proxim buys Agere>Proxim sold in bankruptcy to YDI who had recently "bought" Terabeam>YDI/Terabeam dba Proxim And within that story is Agere: Lannet spins off>LANair pieces become part of Lucent's original pioneering WLAN group>Lucent spins out Agere which comes out with Orinoco which ends up at Proxim... And fewer would know the others with ties from LANair formed original WLAN pioneer BreezeCOM, which later merged with Floware to became Alvarion in 2001... How many remember that Telxon created original WLAN pioneer Aironet which was bought by Cisco. And all that is one tiny fraction of all that has taken place and does not even cover the rise of the UL BWA application itself where we were also a principal pioneer on the product side (but we were only smartly following the lead of the original WISPs, most who were using our gear that pre-dated DSSS) as the others stayed in WLAN. I wonder what the next 12 years will bring? Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of St
RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless...
Wonder what Doug Karl is up to these days... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of V Proffer Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 1:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... My first radios were Karlnet. In those days they were very robust. We then migrated to Alvarion (wasn't called that in those days). It amazes me how this industry has changed in the last decade. We are actually seeing sub $200 CPE in both 2.4 and 5 GHz, the FBI wants access to our networks, city's are proposing that everyone has Wi-Fi, etc. Just an amazing industry, wonder where the next 10 years will take us... Victoria Proffer www.Stlbroadband.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 11:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... Patrick, I remember a lot of that transition well. Our first wireless gear in 1997 was WaveAccess. I have no idea what ever happened to them but I remember it was FHSS. We put an AP in our office attic and served up the local library and several businesses around our building. The library and several of those businesses are still customers today! Ahh and you forgot about Doug Karl's Karlnet, based on a Lucent/Orinoco/Agere platform. Sold to YDI, then Terabeam then was essentially EOL'd when Proxim bought Terabeam. It seems like all those transactions transpired in about 18 months. Talk about torture for Karlnet customers! Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 12:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... Well, for sure this industry never stands still does it Steve? As one fond of change, that one of the things I most enjoy. I knew from people there that V-com has become Vecima (much better 'new millienium' type name), but I did not know they absorbed Wave/Waverider. Did Charles (Brown) join Vecima too? Years ago when the Cirronet folks were creating their company out of their successful industrial wireless space, I sat down with of the principals. They really thought they had the secret sauce. I was very cautionary, trying to impart how challenging the market was/(is!). They had a hard and not especially gratifying few years. I forgot about Arraycom sold off iBurst. Sigh. It made me "remember how much I have forgotten" about lost companies in this business. Remember ioSpan? How about Beamreach? Remember they even had a successful Verizon trial fours years ago. And then how about all the companies bought, collapsed into and morphed over the years? Someday we should build a full "BWIA family tree" of sorts. Fun examples (I might be a little off [is that Fruedian?]) just from perhaps the 4 original wireless LAN pioneers: Glenair spun off Western Multiplex>WMUX buys the original WLAN pioneer Proxim and keeps Proxim name> Proxim buys Farallon and Proxim buys Agere>Proxim sold in bankruptcy to YDI who had recently "bought" Terabeam>YDI/Terabeam dba Proxim And within that story is Agere: Lannet spins off>LANair pieces become part of Lucent's original pioneering WLAN group>Lucent spins out Agere which comes out with Orinoco which ends up at Proxim... And fewer would know the others with ties from LANair formed original WLAN pioneer BreezeCOM, which later merged with Floware to became Alvarion in 2001... How many remember that Telxon created original WLAN pioneer Aironet which was bought by Cisco. And all that is one tiny fraction of all that has taken place and does not even cover the rise of the UL BWA application itself where we were also a principal pioneer on the product side (but we were only smartly following the lead of the original WISPs, most who were using our gear that pre-dated DSSS) as the others stayed in WLAN. I wonder what the next 12 years will bring? Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Stroh Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 8:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless Internet Access Vendors list Patrick: Thanks for the inputs. FreeWave and MDS were added from a previous reply. Lightpointe typo corrected. Wave Wireless / Waverider was sold to Vecima Networks. ZTE added. Huawei added. Almost couldn't find any references to Acton; it's actually Accton, now added. Added AWB. Cirronet still lists their Broadband Wirele
RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless...
WaveAccess was bought by Lucent. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 12:41 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... Patrick, I remember a lot of that transition well. Our first wireless gear in 1997 was WaveAccess. I have no idea what ever happened to them but I remember it was FHSS. We put an AP in our office attic and served up the local library and several businesses around our building. The library and several of those businesses are still customers today! Ahh and you forgot about Doug Karl's Karlnet, based on a Lucent/Orinoco/Agere platform. Sold to YDI, then Terabeam then was essentially EOL'd when Proxim bought Terabeam. It seems like all those transactions transpired in about 18 months. Talk about torture for Karlnet customers! Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 12:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... Well, for sure this industry never stands still does it Steve? As one fond of change, that one of the things I most enjoy. I knew from people there that V-com has become Vecima (much better 'new millienium' type name), but I did not know they absorbed Wave/Waverider. Did Charles (Brown) join Vecima too? Years ago when the Cirronet folks were creating their company out of their successful industrial wireless space, I sat down with of the principals. They really thought they had the secret sauce. I was very cautionary, trying to impart how challenging the market was/(is!). They had a hard and not especially gratifying few years. I forgot about Arraycom sold off iBurst. Sigh. It made me "remember how much I have forgotten" about lost companies in this business. Remember ioSpan? How about Beamreach? Remember they even had a successful Verizon trial fours years ago. And then how about all the companies bought, collapsed into and morphed over the years? Someday we should build a full "BWIA family tree" of sorts. Fun examples (I might be a little off [is that Fruedian?]) just from perhaps the 4 original wireless LAN pioneers: Glenair spun off Western Multiplex>WMUX buys the original WLAN pioneer Proxim and keeps Proxim name> Proxim buys Farallon and Proxim buys Agere>Proxim sold in bankruptcy to YDI who had recently "bought" Terabeam>YDI/Terabeam dba Proxim And within that story is Agere: Lannet spins off>LANair pieces become part of Lucent's original pioneering WLAN group>Lucent spins out Agere which comes out with Orinoco which ends up at Proxim... And fewer would know the others with ties from LANair formed original WLAN pioneer BreezeCOM, which later merged with Floware to became Alvarion in 2001... How many remember that Telxon created original WLAN pioneer Aironet which was bought by Cisco. And all that is one tiny fraction of all that has taken place and does not even cover the rise of the UL BWA application itself where we were also a principal pioneer on the product side (but we were only smartly following the lead of the original WISPs, most who were using our gear that pre-dated DSSS) as the others stayed in WLAN. I wonder what the next 12 years will bring? Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Stroh Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 8:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless Internet Access Vendors list Patrick: Thanks for the inputs. FreeWave and MDS were added from a previous reply. Lightpointe typo corrected. Wave Wireless / Waverider was sold to Vecima Networks. ZTE added. Huawei added. Almost couldn't find any references to Acton; it's actually Accton, now added. Added AWB. Cirronet still lists their Broadband Wireless gear. As far as I can tell, Qualcomm doesn't actually make gear - the only thing they manufacture is chipsets and lawsuits. Arraycomm is also out of the equipment business - only intellectual property and IntelliCell. iBurst was spun off to Kyocera. Good point on Terabeam; it was deleted and Proxim added. Thanks, Steve On Feb 15, 2007, at Feb 15 07:17 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: > Steve, here are a few off my head that are not there...Freewave, MDS, > Lightpointe is with an "e" on the end, Wave Wireless (formerly > Waverider, etc.), ZTE (ZiMAX), Huwaie, Acton Wireless Broadband (AWB), > is Cirronet still around?, Qualcomm (with their MediaFLO), Arraycom, > Terabeam actuall
RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless...
My first radios were Karlnet. In those days they were very robust. We then migrated to Alvarion (wasn't called that in those days). It amazes me how this industry has changed in the last decade. We are actually seeing sub $200 CPE in both 2.4 and 5 GHz, the FBI wants access to our networks, city's are proposing that everyone has Wi-Fi, etc. Just an amazing industry, wonder where the next 10 years will take us... Victoria Proffer www.Stlbroadband.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 11:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... Patrick, I remember a lot of that transition well. Our first wireless gear in 1997 was WaveAccess. I have no idea what ever happened to them but I remember it was FHSS. We put an AP in our office attic and served up the local library and several businesses around our building. The library and several of those businesses are still customers today! Ahh and you forgot about Doug Karl's Karlnet, based on a Lucent/Orinoco/Agere platform. Sold to YDI, then Terabeam then was essentially EOL'd when Proxim bought Terabeam. It seems like all those transactions transpired in about 18 months. Talk about torture for Karlnet customers! Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 12:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... Well, for sure this industry never stands still does it Steve? As one fond of change, that one of the things I most enjoy. I knew from people there that V-com has become Vecima (much better 'new millienium' type name), but I did not know they absorbed Wave/Waverider. Did Charles (Brown) join Vecima too? Years ago when the Cirronet folks were creating their company out of their successful industrial wireless space, I sat down with of the principals. They really thought they had the secret sauce. I was very cautionary, trying to impart how challenging the market was/(is!). They had a hard and not especially gratifying few years. I forgot about Arraycom sold off iBurst. Sigh. It made me "remember how much I have forgotten" about lost companies in this business. Remember ioSpan? How about Beamreach? Remember they even had a successful Verizon trial fours years ago. And then how about all the companies bought, collapsed into and morphed over the years? Someday we should build a full "BWIA family tree" of sorts. Fun examples (I might be a little off [is that Fruedian?]) just from perhaps the 4 original wireless LAN pioneers: Glenair spun off Western Multiplex>WMUX buys the original WLAN pioneer Proxim and keeps Proxim name> Proxim buys Farallon and Proxim buys Agere>Proxim sold in bankruptcy to YDI who had recently "bought" Terabeam>YDI/Terabeam dba Proxim And within that story is Agere: Lannet spins off>LANair pieces become part of Lucent's original pioneering WLAN group>Lucent spins out Agere which comes out with Orinoco which ends up at Proxim... And fewer would know the others with ties from LANair formed original WLAN pioneer BreezeCOM, which later merged with Floware to became Alvarion in 2001... How many remember that Telxon created original WLAN pioneer Aironet which was bought by Cisco. And all that is one tiny fraction of all that has taken place and does not even cover the rise of the UL BWA application itself where we were also a principal pioneer on the product side (but we were only smartly following the lead of the original WISPs, most who were using our gear that pre-dated DSSS) as the others stayed in WLAN. I wonder what the next 12 years will bring? Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Stroh Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 8:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless Internet Access Vendors list Patrick: Thanks for the inputs. FreeWave and MDS were added from a previous reply. Lightpointe typo corrected. Wave Wireless / Waverider was sold to Vecima Networks. ZTE added. Huawei added. Almost couldn't find any references to Acton; it's actually Accton, now added. Added AWB. Cirronet still lists their Broadband Wireless gear. As far as I can tell, Qualcomm doesn't actually make gear - the only thing they manufacture is chipsets and lawsuits. Arraycomm is also out of the equipment business - only intellectual property and IntelliCell. iBurst was spun off to Kyocera. Good point on Terabeam
RE: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless...
Patrick, I remember a lot of that transition well. Our first wireless gear in 1997 was WaveAccess. I have no idea what ever happened to them but I remember it was FHSS. We put an AP in our office attic and served up the local library and several businesses around our building. The library and several of those businesses are still customers today! Ahh and you forgot about Doug Karl's Karlnet, based on a Lucent/Orinoco/Agere platform. Sold to YDI, then Terabeam then was essentially EOL'd when Proxim bought Terabeam. It seems like all those transactions transpired in about 18 months. Talk about torture for Karlnet customers! Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 12:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: old WLAN history, was RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless... Well, for sure this industry never stands still does it Steve? As one fond of change, that one of the things I most enjoy. I knew from people there that V-com has become Vecima (much better 'new millienium' type name), but I did not know they absorbed Wave/Waverider. Did Charles (Brown) join Vecima too? Years ago when the Cirronet folks were creating their company out of their successful industrial wireless space, I sat down with of the principals. They really thought they had the secret sauce. I was very cautionary, trying to impart how challenging the market was/(is!). They had a hard and not especially gratifying few years. I forgot about Arraycom sold off iBurst. Sigh. It made me "remember how much I have forgotten" about lost companies in this business. Remember ioSpan? How about Beamreach? Remember they even had a successful Verizon trial fours years ago. And then how about all the companies bought, collapsed into and morphed over the years? Someday we should build a full "BWIA family tree" of sorts. Fun examples (I might be a little off [is that Fruedian?]) just from perhaps the 4 original wireless LAN pioneers: Glenair spun off Western Multiplex>WMUX buys the original WLAN pioneer Proxim and keeps Proxim name> Proxim buys Farallon and Proxim buys Agere>Proxim sold in bankruptcy to YDI who had recently "bought" Terabeam>YDI/Terabeam dba Proxim And within that story is Agere: Lannet spins off>LANair pieces become part of Lucent's original pioneering WLAN group>Lucent spins out Agere which comes out with Orinoco which ends up at Proxim... And fewer would know the others with ties from LANair formed original WLAN pioneer BreezeCOM, which later merged with Floware to became Alvarion in 2001... How many remember that Telxon created original WLAN pioneer Aironet which was bought by Cisco. And all that is one tiny fraction of all that has taken place and does not even cover the rise of the UL BWA application itself where we were also a principal pioneer on the product side (but we were only smartly following the lead of the original WISPs, most who were using our gear that pre-dated DSSS) as the others stayed in WLAN. I wonder what the next 12 years will bring? Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Stroh Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 8:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless Internet Access Vendors list Patrick: Thanks for the inputs. FreeWave and MDS were added from a previous reply. Lightpointe typo corrected. Wave Wireless / Waverider was sold to Vecima Networks. ZTE added. Huawei added. Almost couldn't find any references to Acton; it's actually Accton, now added. Added AWB. Cirronet still lists their Broadband Wireless gear. As far as I can tell, Qualcomm doesn't actually make gear - the only thing they manufacture is chipsets and lawsuits. Arraycomm is also out of the equipment business - only intellectual property and IntelliCell. iBurst was spun off to Kyocera. Good point on Terabeam; it was deleted and Proxim added. Thanks, Steve On Feb 15, 2007, at Feb 15 07:17 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: > Steve, here are a few off my head that are not there...Freewave, MDS, > Lightpointe is with an "e" on the end, Wave Wireless (formerly > Waverider, etc.), ZTE (ZiMAX), Huwaie, Acton Wireless Broadband (AWB), > is Cirronet still around?, Qualcomm (with their MediaFLO), Arraycom, > Terabeam actually dba's as Proxim. > > P.S. - thanks for only including legal vendors > > Patrick Leary > AVP WISP Markets > Alvarion, Inc. > o: 650.314.2628 > c: 760.580.0080 > Vonage: 650.641.1243 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- Steve Stroh 425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Writing about BWIA again! - www.bwianews.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listi
