Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps
This Congressman is an idiot. His own statements makes no sense. They are providing a utility and frankly you should not be able to impose cascading rate increases without justifying them, Massa said. What Time Warner is saying is not true and their own SEC filings show that. This is AIG-style greed. (They are providing a utility) What utility is there that you pay the same fee no matter how much you use it. Water, telephone, cellular, Gas, Electric. I would love to pay $39.99 a month for my gas bill no matter how much of it I use. Sure my bill this month was $13. But in Jan when it was $185. Guess the Gas company is just AIG-style Greedy. Guess there is another Option we could get the government to take over all the upstream providers and give us unlimited bandwidth at no cost. Then I could afford to build up and not worry about bandwidth costs. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List; motor...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps Supposedly you cannot throttle p2p and now there trying to say you cannot impose download caps as well. http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/04/congressman-to/#previouspost Perhaps this should be amended to include utilities such as water, electric, gas, telephone and etc. Wispa really should officially comment on this bill. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps
One of our utility bills is the same cost every month of the year. Don't know if it is unlimited or not, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 1:05 PM, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: My water utility offers unlimited service (at least for now). However, they only provide a 1 pipe to me. I am happy to provide unlimited service to my customers. 3mbps pipe for a while.. then a 56kbps pipe as much as they want! That's right folks! I am offering a 56kbps pipe UNLIMITED! :) ryan Steve Barnes wrote: This Congressman is an idiot. His own statements makes no sense. They are providing a utility and frankly you should not be able to impose cascading rate increases without justifying them, Massa said. What Time Warner is saying is not true and their own SEC filings show that. This is AIG-style greed. (They are providing a utility) What utility is there that you pay the same fee no matter how much you use it. Water, telephone, cellular, Gas, Electric. I would love to pay $39.99 a month for my gas bill no matter how much of it I use. Sure my bill this month was $13. But in Jan when it was $185. Guess the Gas company is just AIG-style Greedy. Guess there is another Option we could get the government to take over all the upstream providers and give us unlimited bandwidth at no cost. Then I could afford to build up and not worry about bandwidth costs. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List; motor...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps Supposedly you cannot throttle p2p and now there trying to say you cannot impose download caps as well. http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/04/congressman-to/#previouspost Perhaps this should be amended to include utilities such as water, electric, gas, telephone and etc. Wispa really should officially comment on this bill. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps
How about we tell them that it is absolutely none of their freaking business... Politely, of course. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Matt lm7...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; motor...@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:00 AM Subject: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps Supposedly you cannot throttle p2p and now there trying to say you cannot impose download caps as well. http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/04/congressman-to/#previouspost Perhaps this should be amended to include utilities such as water, electric, gas, telephone and etc. Wispa really should officially comment on this bill. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps
On 5/21/2009 8:00 AM, Matt wrote: Supposedly you cannot throttle p2p and now there trying to say you cannot impose download caps as well. http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/04/congressman-to/#previouspost Perhaps this should be amended to include utilities such as water, electric, gas, telephone and etc. Wispa really should officially comment on this bill. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps
My electric bill is the same every month regardless of how much I use. My wife used to work for the electric company and discovered that you can do bill averaging for the year, based on last years bill. That means that high usage for AC or whatever in whatever month does not kill you that month. Makes it easier to budget. Each bill shows what you are paying and what the actual charge is. So it might look something like this: Jan Actual: $75 payment: $100. Feb Actual: $75 payment: $100. Mar Actual: $75 payment: $100. Apr Actual: $75 payment: $100. May Actual: $75 payment: $100. Jun Actual: $75 payment: $100. Jul Actual: $75 payment: $100. Aug Actual: $400 payment: $100. _ AC unit comes on full blast. They re-analyze your usage for the next years monthly payments at the end of the year. Works pretty well.. Now if only bandwidth usage did that sort of thing!... wait! K12 does that! ryan Josh Luthman wrote: One of our utility bills is the same cost every month of the year. Don't know if it is unlimited or not, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 1:05 PM, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: My water utility offers unlimited service (at least for now). However, they only provide a 1 pipe to me. I am happy to provide unlimited service to my customers. 3mbps pipe for a while.. then a 56kbps pipe as much as they want! That's right folks! I am offering a 56kbps pipe UNLIMITED! :) ryan Steve Barnes wrote: This Congressman is an idiot. His own statements makes no sense. They are providing a utility and frankly you should not be able to impose cascading rate increases without justifying them, Massa said. What Time Warner is saying is not true and their own SEC filings show that. This is AIG-style greed. (They are providing a utility) What utility is there that you pay the same fee no matter how much you use it. Water, telephone, cellular, Gas, Electric. I would love to pay $39.99 a month for my gas bill no matter how much of it I use. Sure my bill this month was $13. But in Jan when it was $185. Guess the Gas company is just AIG-style Greedy. Guess there is another Option we could get the government to take over all the upstream providers and give us unlimited bandwidth at no cost. Then I could afford to build up and not worry about bandwidth costs. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List; motor...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps Supposedly you cannot throttle p2p and now there trying to say you cannot impose download caps as well. http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/04/congressman-to/#previouspost Perhaps this should be amended to include utilities such as water, electric, gas, telephone and etc. Wispa really should officially comment on this bill. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps
Oops, sorry for the blank reply, I hit the wrong keys. On 5/21/2009 8:00 AM, Matt wrote: Supposedly you cannot throttle p2p and now there trying to say you cannot impose download caps as well. Personally, I can't EVEN imagine that such a law could stand up to basic reasoning. But think about it. If such a law was attempted, where would they draw the line? Telling any ISP that they can't use bandwidth management techniques is about like telling Comcast that they must lift bandwidth limits on cable service. Since cable has an ENORMOUS amount of potential bandwidth, the same problem occurs; a few abusive users suck the life out of the entire network because everyone gets a gig of bandwidth. I tell my customers that unlimited doesn't exist and never has. They try to argue that their other service was unlimited. When it is revealed that said other service had a fraction of the bandwidth that I'm now delivering to them, it becomes apparent that the previous service was in fact severely limited by its inherent slow speed. Dial-up was of course the first so called unlimited service, yet was in fact the most severely limited. The way I deal with it is to show them my service/consumption matrix. For example, if I deliver 4meg symmetrical and they sign up for residential service, they are expected to have roughly the same duty cycle as the rest of the residential group, within reason. If they sign up for residential and throttle it to 100% 24/7, that's not residential usage; at the end of the month they'll find that their speed has been reduced to about what they'd get from typical DSL which in turn keeps such a customer's monthly throughput within my guidelines for residential service. This way I keep abusers from abusing. And even in the very few cases I've seen it happen, the customer is more than happy to continue on like that. Conversely, if their usage falls back to the roughly 5% duty cycle normally seen on residential customers, they'll find that their speed went back to 4 meg. I give them one or the other, but not both. My explanation has always been well understood. Unlimited doesn't exist. Unless of course I'm talking to the 95% of people with common sense! cackle Rk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps
On 5/21/2009 10:05 AM, D. Ryan Spott wrote: My water utility offers unlimited service (at least for now). However, they only provide a 1 pipe to me. Being in an ag region, I use this exact analogy in my explanation of my throttling matrix. I tell them that yea, you could in fact irrigate that 200 acres of almonds with your 1 residential service, but expect a lot of dead trees. To do a business grade effort, you need that 80HP ditch pump and 8 infrastructure. Which of course comes with the associated higher cost. The farmers all understand that one! Rk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps
Well my electric does that too. But in march is my make up month and if my usage is less than what I have paid I get a free month if it s more then I get a bill for the difference. This year I had to make up $435 in the month of march. But that is still a budget so if we did that with wireless then every year we would get the option to raise their bill guess who would find a new service. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps My electric bill is the same every month regardless of how much I use. My wife used to work for the electric company and discovered that you can do bill averaging for the year, based on last years bill. That means that high usage for AC or whatever in whatever month does not kill you that month. Makes it easier to budget. Each bill shows what you are paying and what the actual charge is. So it might look something like this: Jan Actual: $75 payment: $100. Feb Actual: $75 payment: $100. Mar Actual: $75 payment: $100. Apr Actual: $75 payment: $100. May Actual: $75 payment: $100. Jun Actual: $75 payment: $100. Jul Actual: $75 payment: $100. Aug Actual: $400 payment: $100. _ AC unit comes on full blast. They re-analyze your usage for the next years monthly payments at the end of the year. Works pretty well.. Now if only bandwidth usage did that sort of thing!... wait! K12 does that! ryan Josh Luthman wrote: One of our utility bills is the same cost every month of the year. Don't know if it is unlimited or not, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 1:05 PM, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: My water utility offers unlimited service (at least for now). However, they only provide a 1 pipe to me. I am happy to provide unlimited service to my customers. 3mbps pipe for a while.. then a 56kbps pipe as much as they want! That's right folks! I am offering a 56kbps pipe UNLIMITED! :) ryan Steve Barnes wrote: This Congressman is an idiot. His own statements makes no sense. They are providing a utility and frankly you should not be able to impose cascading rate increases without justifying them, Massa said. What Time Warner is saying is not true and their own SEC filings show that. This is AIG-style greed. (They are providing a utility) What utility is there that you pay the same fee no matter how much you use it. Water, telephone, cellular, Gas, Electric. I would love to pay $39.99 a month for my gas bill no matter how much of it I use. Sure my bill this month was $13. But in Jan when it was $185. Guess the Gas company is just AIG-style Greedy. Guess there is another Option we could get the government to take over all the upstream providers and give us unlimited bandwidth at no cost. Then I could afford to build up and not worry about bandwidth costs. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List; motor...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps Supposedly you cannot throttle p2p and now there trying to say you cannot impose download caps as well. http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/04/congressman-to/#previouspost Perhaps this should be amended to include utilities such as water, electric, gas, telephone and etc. Wispa really should officially comment on this bill. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps
People read the comments, its scary, like this one... Internet providing is like having an infinite tank of free water. ISP's pay for the pipes to get it to your house. You pay them based on the size of the pipe. Now they want to charge you based on the amount of free water you use each month. Does that seem logical or fair? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List; motor...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps Supposedly you cannot throttle p2p and now there trying to say you cannot impose download caps as well. http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/04/congressman-to/#previouspost Perhaps this should be amended to include utilities such as water, electric, gas, telephone and etc. Wispa really should officially comment on this bill. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps
People read the comments, its scary, like this one... Internet providing is like having an infinite tank of free water. ISP's pay for the pipes to get it to your house. You pay them based on the size of the pipe. Now they want to charge you based on the amount of free water you use each month. Does that seem logical or fair? Technically...if you're the size of Comcast/ATT/Verizon...bandwidth is free because everything is on-net or done through peering arrangement But it still doesn't address the cost of transport (which is ultimately the dilemma we all face) Perhaps the better way to market is unlimited free all you can eat Internet Fine print: BYOT (Bring Your Own Transport) -- just figure out a way to get from Hole-in-the-ground-surrounded-by-trees, Kansas to Equinix Chicago and you can have all the Internet Bandwidth you'd ever need...oh? you need transport, well sir, that'll be $900 setup fee, $59.95 / month and $1 / GB =) -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps
Dont put words into their mouth. It didn't say regulate ISPs and broadband providers. It said regulate monopolies that are providing like utility services. When monopolies get rid of regulation, they should also get rid of their special priveledges, that utility status entitles them to. The important message is that regulation is not the answer. regulation is only necessary, when the governing bodies failed the public and allowed monopolyism to be the goal. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Kunze rku...@colusanet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps Oops, sorry for the blank reply, I hit the wrong keys. On 5/21/2009 8:00 AM, Matt wrote: Supposedly you cannot throttle p2p and now there trying to say you cannot impose download caps as well. Personally, I can't EVEN imagine that such a law could stand up to basic reasoning. But think about it. If such a law was attempted, where would they draw the line? Telling any ISP that they can't use bandwidth management techniques is about like telling Comcast that they must lift bandwidth limits on cable service. Since cable has an ENORMOUS amount of potential bandwidth, the same problem occurs; a few abusive users suck the life out of the entire network because everyone gets a gig of bandwidth. I tell my customers that unlimited doesn't exist and never has. They try to argue that their other service was unlimited. When it is revealed that said other service had a fraction of the bandwidth that I'm now delivering to them, it becomes apparent that the previous service was in fact severely limited by its inherent slow speed. Dial-up was of course the first so called unlimited service, yet was in fact the most severely limited. The way I deal with it is to show them my service/consumption matrix. For example, if I deliver 4meg symmetrical and they sign up for residential service, they are expected to have roughly the same duty cycle as the rest of the residential group, within reason. If they sign up for residential and throttle it to 100% 24/7, that's not residential usage; at the end of the month they'll find that their speed has been reduced to about what they'd get from typical DSL which in turn keeps such a customer's monthly throughput within my guidelines for residential service. This way I keep abusers from abusing. And even in the very few cases I've seen it happen, the customer is more than happy to continue on like that. Conversely, if their usage falls back to the roughly 5% duty cycle normally seen on residential customers, they'll find that their speed went back to 4 meg. I give them one or the other, but not both. My explanation has always been well understood. Unlimited doesn't exist. Unless of course I'm talking to the 95% of people with common sense! cackle Rk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps
I don't want to seem like a chronic complainer as I usually do on the WISPA listbut this has been my SPEW all along for years! The FCC and Washington have NO Intelligible IDEA about Internet Technology and how it works! Out of most of our House and Senate reps, I bet 90% do not even know how to operate a PC...they hire underlings to do that and the underlings try to tell them what they need to know. One thing I agree with Obama on, is he is setting up a technology committee. I hope they know WTF they are talking about...maybe finally! Scott -- Original Message -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 17:20:10 -0400 People read the comments, its scary, like this one... Internet providing is like having an infinite tank of free water. ISP's pay for the pipes to get it to your house. You pay them based on the size of the pipe. Now they want to charge you based on the amount of free water you use each month. Does that seem logical or fair? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List; motor...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps Supposedly you cannot throttle p2p and now there trying to say you cannot impose download caps as well. http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/04/congressman-to/#previouspost Perhaps this should be amended to include utilities such as water, electric, gas, telephone and etc. Wispa really should officially comment on this bill. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps
I'm glad you said hope. We can all hope but dont hold your breath. I dont trust anything politicians do, especially these days. All they are after is votes and their agendas (order of which to be determined). The only change now is that they dont care what the average Joe thinks. I dont mean this to be negative, just realistic. My hope is that we get tired of bending over and kick them all out of DC. I'd like to see the states take back more power. My .02 -RickG On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: I don't want to seem like a chronic complainer as I usually do on the WISPA listbut this has been my SPEW all along for years! The FCC and Washington have NO Intelligible IDEA about Internet Technology and how it works! Out of most of our House and Senate reps, I bet 90% do not even know how to operate a PC...they hire underlings to do that and the underlings try to tell them what they need to know. One thing I agree with Obama on, is he is setting up a technology committee. I hope they know WTF they are talking about...maybe finally! Scott -- Original Message -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 17:20:10 -0400 People read the comments, its scary, like this one... Internet providing is like having an infinite tank of free water. ISP's pay for the pipes to get it to your house. You pay them based on the size of the pipe. Now they want to charge you based on the amount of free water you use each month. Does that seem logical or fair? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List; motor...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps Supposedly you cannot throttle p2p and now there trying to say you cannot impose download caps as well. http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/04/congressman-to/#previouspost Perhaps this should be amended to include utilities such as water, electric, gas, telephone and etc. Wispa really should officially comment on this bill. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps
Matt I think that's a great idea. What a bone headed idea. What was that about politicians and common sense? lol Tom/Steve, any suggestions about how to smack this idea back into the hole it came from? thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Matt lm7...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; motor...@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:00 AM Subject: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps Supposedly you cannot throttle p2p and now there trying to say you cannot impose download caps as well. http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/04/congressman-to/#previouspost Perhaps this should be amended to include utilities such as water, electric, gas, telephone and etc. Wispa really should officially comment on this bill. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps
For sure congress doesn't have much of a clue. But the FCC understands very well. Scottie Arnett wrote: I don't want to seem like a chronic complainer as I usually do on the WISPA listbut this has been my SPEW all along for years! The FCC and Washington have NO Intelligible IDEA about Internet Technology and how it works! Out of most of our House and Senate reps, I bet 90% do not even know how to operate a PC...they hire underlings to do that and the underlings try to tell them what they need to know. One thing I agree with Obama on, is he is setting up a technology committee. I hope they know WTF they are talking about...maybe finally! Scott -- Original Message -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 17:20:10 -0400 People read the comments, its scary, like this one... Internet providing is like having an infinite tank of free water. ISP's pay for the pipes to get it to your house. You pay them based on the size of the pipe. Now they want to charge you based on the amount of free water you use each month. Does that seem logical or fair? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List; motor...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps Supposedly you cannot throttle p2p and now there trying to say you cannot impose download caps as well. http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/04/congressman-to/#previouspost Perhaps this should be amended to include utilities such as water, electric, gas, telephone and etc. Wispa really should officially comment on this bill. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
