Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Mike Hammett]

I use ArcMAP, but agreed on using GIS tools. 




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Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 3:11:07 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate 

Quantum GIS is free, and really good at this stuff. 

On 8/31/2016 2:10 PM, Duncan Scott wrote: 
> Yeah, making the full code is kind of hard given there are many 
> county/tract/block codes in our coverage areal. 
> 
> Looking into it further, if you open chrome developer tools and then run 
> a query, there will be a json response starting with 
> https://tigerweb.geo.census.gov/arcgis/rest/services/TIGERweb/Tracts_Blocks/MapServer/2/query?f=json
>  
> that includes all of the details including the GeoID. 
> 
> Kind of convoluted, but still the easiest way I've seen to get the Geo 
> ID from an arbitrary polygon. 
> 
> ~Duncan 
> 
> On 8/31/2016 11:32 AM, Jeremy Austin wrote: 
>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:06 AM, Duncan Scott <dsc...@onlinenw.com 
>> <mailto:dsc...@onlinenw.com>> wrote: 
>> 
>> How do you export the data from TigerWeb? 
>> 
>> 
>> Copy and paste the resulting list of block codes. (If you click on one, 
>> you'll see the full Geographic Identifier, which is what the FCC wants.) 
>> 
>> You'll still need to prepend (I use Excel for this) the State FIPS code, 
>> county, tract, and block group codes, which, depending on your 
>> geography, might be complex — in my area it wasn't, as Alaskan block 
>> groups are huge. 
>> 
>> The resulting block identifiers will look like the codes exported from 
>> Powercode/Towercoverage/Sonar etc. Then you'll need the remaining 
>> columns, which are delivery technology code (2 digits), residential 
>> boolean, residential down, residential up, business boolean, business 
>> down, business up. I believe down/up is max offered speeds, in megabits. 
>> Format info is in the reference material at the 477 web interface. 
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Nick Bright]

Quantum GIS is free, and really good at this stuff.

On 8/31/2016 2:10 PM, Duncan Scott wrote:
> Yeah, making the full code is kind of hard given there are many
> county/tract/block codes in our coverage areal.
>
> Looking into it further, if you open chrome developer tools and then run
> a query, there will be a json response starting with
> https://tigerweb.geo.census.gov/arcgis/rest/services/TIGERweb/Tracts_Blocks/MapServer/2/query?f=json
>that includes all of the details including the GeoID.
>
> Kind of convoluted, but still the easiest way I've seen to get the Geo
> ID from an arbitrary polygon.
>
> ~Duncan
>
> On 8/31/2016 11:32 AM, Jeremy Austin wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:06 AM, Duncan Scott > > wrote:
>>
>>  How do you export the data from TigerWeb?
>>
>>
>> Copy and paste the resulting list of block codes. (If you click on one,
>> you'll see the full Geographic Identifier, which is what the FCC wants.)
>>
>> You'll still need to prepend (I use Excel for this) the State FIPS code,
>> county, tract, and block group codes, which, depending on your
>> geography, might be complex — in my area it wasn't, as Alaskan block
>> groups are huge.
>>
>> The resulting block identifiers will look like the codes exported from
>> Powercode/Towercoverage/Sonar etc. Then you'll need the remaining
>> columns, which are delivery technology code (2 digits), residential
>> boolean, residential down, residential up, business boolean, business
>> down, business up. I believe down/up is max offered speeds, in megabits.
>> Format info is in the reference material at the 477 web interface.
>>
>> --
>> Jeremy Austin
>>
>> (907) 895-2311
>> (907) 803-5422
>> jhaus...@gmail.com 
>>
>> Heritage NetWorks
>> Whitestone Power & Communications
>> Vertical Broadband, LLC
>>
>> Schedule a meeting: http://doodle.com/jermudgeon
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Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Jeremy Austin]

Nice tip!

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Duncan Scott  wrote:

> Yeah, making the full code is kind of hard given there are many
> county/tract/block codes in our coverage areal.
>
> Looking into it further, if you open chrome developer tools and then run
> a query, there will be a json response starting with
> https://tigerweb.geo.census.gov/arcgis/rest/services/
> TIGERweb/Tracts_Blocks/MapServer/2/query?f=json
>   that includes all of the details including the GeoID.
>
> Kind of convoluted, but still the easiest way I've seen to get the Geo
> ID from an arbitrary polygon.
>
> ~Duncan
>
> On 8/31/2016 11:32 AM, Jeremy Austin wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:06 AM, Duncan Scott  > > wrote:
> >
> > How do you export the data from TigerWeb?
> >
> >
> > Copy and paste the resulting list of block codes. (If you click on one,
> > you'll see the full Geographic Identifier, which is what the FCC wants.)
> >
> > You'll still need to prepend (I use Excel for this) the State FIPS code,
> > county, tract, and block group codes, which, depending on your
> > geography, might be complex — in my area it wasn't, as Alaskan block
> > groups are huge.
> >
> > The resulting block identifiers will look like the codes exported from
> > Powercode/Towercoverage/Sonar etc. Then you'll need the remaining
> > columns, which are delivery technology code (2 digits), residential
> > boolean, residential down, residential up, business boolean, business
> > down, business up. I believe down/up is max offered speeds, in megabits.
> > Format info is in the reference material at the 477 web interface.
> >
> > --
> > Jeremy Austin
> >
> > (907) 895-2311
> > (907) 803-5422
> > jhaus...@gmail.com 
> >
> > Heritage NetWorks
> > Whitestone Power & Communications
> > Vertical Broadband, LLC
> >
> > Schedule a meeting: http://doodle.com/jermudgeon
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Greg Mingus]

Powercode has been aware of this bug since at least January 6th when I created 
ticket #11362 after we were questioned by the FCC why there were problems with 
our data.

Powercode responded to the ticket 12 days later saying they were going to fix 
it. I forwarded the ticket reply to the FCC and they were apparently satisfied 
with that response.

We have continued submitting the Powercode data because it’s the closest thing 
we have.

-Greg

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Chris Fabien
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 10:44 AM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate


Even with their methodology being flawed, it is also very broken and only 
listing 10% of the blocks where we have customers.

I did talk with powercode, they have been aware of this bug for a couple 
weeks... I stressed that this is a major issue and they really owe their 
customers to notify them of something like this especially in light of todays 
deadline for submitting revised data. I am sure most powercode users have been 
just submitting the generates files.

On Aug 31, 2016 1:25 PM, "Kameron Blomquist" 
<kame...@sightlinewireless.com<mailto:kame...@sightlinewireless.com>> wrote:
The deployment data is always wrong, you cant just submit that. It just goes 
off of subscriber info.

We got the deployment data from Towercoverage and use the subscriber data from 
PC.



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(503) 967-7222<tel:%28503%29%20967-7222>
www.sightlinewireless.com<http://www.sightlinewireless.com>


On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 7:53 AM, Charles Wu 
<cwu...@gmail.com<mailto:cwu...@gmail.com>> wrote:
While I can’t speak directly for PowerCode, I suspect that if you got an 
unsolicited voicemail from them that they probably have someone monitoring this 
list.

-Charles

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On 
Behalf Of Chris Fabien
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:38 AM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate


FYI guys I got a voicemail at my office yesterday afternoon from powercode 
confirming they are aware of this issue.

I have not spoken to them yet and I am not sure if they are aware this is a 
time critical issue for some WISP who may have CAF funding becoming available 
for someone to overbuild them due to faulty 477 data.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:32 PM, Adair Winter 
<ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
I can't tell that anything like that is happening with the plans.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Chris Fabien 
<ch...@lakenetmi.com<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>> wrote:
I also noticed strange numbers in the speed plans sometimes it would line 
up with a plan that we offered sometimes it would seem to pick a down from one 
plan and an upload that from a different plan.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Adair Winter 
<ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
That's interesting. so some lines show nothing for and down/up speed.  others 
shows some plan that we have. Is powercode just picking the user with the 
highest plan for the block and displaying that? hmm

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Cameron Crum 
<cc...@wispmon.com<mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote:
Deployment is your service offerings to the blocks. Basically, what blocks can 
you cover at what speeds and with what technology. Subscription counts actual 
subscribers in tracts.



On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Mike Hammett 
<wispawirel...@ics-il.net<mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Well then. That sucks.


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From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:11:11 PM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
Mike, I should have at least several hundred that actually have subscribers 
that powercode should have included in the CSV.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> wrote:
How many blocks are your subscribers in?


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From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:06:48 PM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
Powercode does not

Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Duncan Scott]

Yeah, making the full code is kind of hard given there are many 
county/tract/block codes in our coverage areal.

Looking into it further, if you open chrome developer tools and then run 
a query, there will be a json response starting with 
https://tigerweb.geo.census.gov/arcgis/rest/services/TIGERweb/Tracts_Blocks/MapServer/2/query?f=json
 
  that includes all of the details including the GeoID.

Kind of convoluted, but still the easiest way I've seen to get the Geo 
ID from an arbitrary polygon.

~Duncan

On 8/31/2016 11:32 AM, Jeremy Austin wrote:
>
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:06 AM, Duncan Scott  > wrote:
>
> How do you export the data from TigerWeb?
>
>
> Copy and paste the resulting list of block codes. (If you click on one,
> you'll see the full Geographic Identifier, which is what the FCC wants.)
>
> You'll still need to prepend (I use Excel for this) the State FIPS code,
> county, tract, and block group codes, which, depending on your
> geography, might be complex — in my area it wasn't, as Alaskan block
> groups are huge.
>
> The resulting block identifiers will look like the codes exported from
> Powercode/Towercoverage/Sonar etc. Then you'll need the remaining
> columns, which are delivery technology code (2 digits), residential
> boolean, residential down, residential up, business boolean, business
> down, business up. I believe down/up is max offered speeds, in megabits.
> Format info is in the reference material at the 477 web interface.
>
> --
> Jeremy Austin
>
> (907) 895-2311
> (907) 803-5422
> jhaus...@gmail.com 
>
> Heritage NetWorks
> Whitestone Power & Communications
> Vertical Broadband, LLC
>
> Schedule a meeting: http://doodle.com/jermudgeon
>
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Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Jeremy Austin]

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:06 AM, Duncan Scott  wrote:

> How do you export the data from TigerWeb?
>

Copy and paste the resulting list of block codes. (If you click on one,
you'll see the full Geographic Identifier, which is what the FCC wants.)

You'll still need to prepend (I use Excel for this) the State FIPS code,
county, tract, and block group codes, which, depending on your geography,
might be complex — in my area it wasn't, as Alaskan block groups are huge.

The resulting block identifiers will look like the codes exported from
Powercode/Towercoverage/Sonar etc. Then you'll need the remaining columns,
which are delivery technology code (2 digits), residential boolean,
residential down, residential up, business boolean, business down, business
up. I believe down/up is max offered speeds, in megabits. Format info is in
the reference material at the 477 web interface.

-- 
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(907) 895-2311
(907) 803-5422
jhaus...@gmail.com

Heritage NetWorks
Whitestone Power & Communications
Vertical Broadband, LLC

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Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Duncan Scott]

How do you export the data from TigerWeb?


On 8/30/2016 5:15 PM, Jeremy Austin wrote:
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Chris Fabien  > wrote:
>
> We were getting like 20 blocks from powercode when we should have
> several hundred...
>
>
> I found it fairly simple to use TIGERweb (a census GIS) which has a
> query tool, to draw some shapes and spit out the list of census blocks.
> A little munging in Excel… and voila.
>
> https://tigerweb.geo.census.gov/tigerweb/
>
> Then again, I don't have widely varying service offerings or odd-shaped
> territories… YMMV
>
>
> --
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>
> (907) 895-2311
> (907) 803-5422
> jhaus...@gmail.com 
>
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> Whitestone Power & Communications
> Vertical Broadband, LLC
>
> Schedule a meeting: http://doodle.com/jermudgeon
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Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Chris Fabien]

Even with their methodology being flawed, it is also very broken and only
listing 10% of the blocks where we have customers.

I did talk with powercode, they have been aware of this bug for a couple
weeks... I stressed that this is a major issue and they really owe their
customers to notify them of something like this especially in light of
todays deadline for submitting revised data. I am sure most powercode users
have been just submitting the generates files.

On Aug 31, 2016 1:25 PM, "Kameron Blomquist" <kame...@sightlinewireless.com>
wrote:

The deployment data is always wrong, you cant just submit that. It just
goes off of subscriber info.

We got the deployment data from Towercoverage and use the subscriber data
from PC.



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*SightLine Wireless*
*(503) 967-7222 <%28503%29%20967-7222>*
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On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 7:53 AM, Charles Wu <cwu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> While I can’t speak directly for PowerCode, I suspect that if you got an
> unsolicited voicemail from them that they probably have someone monitoring
> this list.
>
>
>
> -Charles
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Chris Fabien
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:38 AM
> *To:* WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>
>
>
> FYI guys I got a voicemail at my office yesterday afternoon from powercode
> confirming they are aware of this issue.
>
> I have not spoken to them yet and I am not sure if they are aware this is
> a time critical issue for some WISP who may have CAF funding becoming
> available for someone to overbuild them due to faulty 477 data.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:32 PM, Adair Winter <
> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>
> I can't tell that anything like that is happening with the plans.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
> wrote:
>
> I also noticed strange numbers in the speed plans sometimes it would
> line up with a plan that we offered sometimes it would seem to pick a down
> from one plan and an upload that from a different plan.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Adair Winter <
> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>
> That's interesting. so some lines show nothing for and down/up speed.
>  others shows some plan that we have. Is powercode just picking the user
> with the highest plan for the block and displaying that? hmm
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote:
>
> Deployment is your service offerings to the blocks. Basically, what blocks
> can you cover at what speeds and with what technology. Subscription counts
> actual subscribers in tracts.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
> wrote:
>
> Well then. That sucks.
>
>
>
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> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:11:11 PM
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>
> Mike, I should have at least several hundred that actually have
> subscribers that powercode should have included in the CSV.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
> wrote:
>
> How many blocks are your subscribers in?
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Kameron Blomquist]

The deployment data is always wrong, you cant just submit that. It just
goes off of subscriber info.

We got the deployment data from Towercoverage and use the subscriber data
from PC.



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On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 7:53 AM, Charles Wu <cwu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> While I can’t speak directly for PowerCode, I suspect that if you got an
> unsolicited voicemail from them that they probably have someone monitoring
> this list.
>
>
>
> -Charles
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Chris Fabien
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:38 AM
> *To:* WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>
>
>
> FYI guys I got a voicemail at my office yesterday afternoon from powercode
> confirming they are aware of this issue.
>
> I have not spoken to them yet and I am not sure if they are aware this is
> a time critical issue for some WISP who may have CAF funding becoming
> available for someone to overbuild them due to faulty 477 data.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:32 PM, Adair Winter <
> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>
> I can't tell that anything like that is happening with the plans.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
> wrote:
>
> I also noticed strange numbers in the speed plans sometimes it would
> line up with a plan that we offered sometimes it would seem to pick a down
> from one plan and an upload that from a different plan.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Adair Winter <
> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>
> That's interesting. so some lines show nothing for and down/up speed.
>  others shows some plan that we have. Is powercode just picking the user
> with the highest plan for the block and displaying that? hmm
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote:
>
> Deployment is your service offerings to the blocks. Basically, what blocks
> can you cover at what speeds and with what technology. Subscription counts
> actual subscribers in tracts.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
> wrote:
>
> Well then. That sucks.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
>
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:11:11 PM
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>
> Mike, I should have at least several hundred that actually have
> subscribers that powercode should have included in the CSV.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
> wrote:
>
> How many blocks are your subscribers in?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
>
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:06:48 PM
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [

Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Kameron Blomquist]

Chris Fabian, we had that happen as well and have to modify the file
because if we added Burst speeds it would pull from the min speed vs max. =/



*Kameron B.*
*SightLine Wireless*
*(503) 967-7222*
*www.sightlinewireless.com <http://www.sightlinewireless.com>*


On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Kameron Blomquist <
kame...@sightlinewireless.com> wrote:

> The deployment data is always wrong, you cant just submit that. It just
> goes off of subscriber info.
>
> We got the deployment data from Towercoverage and use the subscriber data
> from PC.
>
>
>
> *Kameron B.*
> *SightLine Wireless*
> *(503) 967-7222 <%28503%29%20967-7222>*
> *www.sightlinewireless.com <http://www.sightlinewireless.com>*
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 7:53 AM, Charles Wu <cwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> While I can’t speak directly for PowerCode, I suspect that if you got an
>> unsolicited voicemail from them that they probably have someone monitoring
>> this list.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Charles
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Chris Fabien
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:38 AM
>> *To:* WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>>
>>
>>
>> FYI guys I got a voicemail at my office yesterday afternoon from
>> powercode confirming they are aware of this issue.
>>
>> I have not spoken to them yet and I am not sure if they are aware this is
>> a time critical issue for some WISP who may have CAF funding becoming
>> available for someone to overbuild them due to faulty 477 data.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:32 PM, Adair Winter <
>> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>>
>> I can't tell that anything like that is happening with the plans.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I also noticed strange numbers in the speed plans sometimes it would
>> line up with a plan that we offered sometimes it would seem to pick a down
>> from one plan and an upload that from a different plan.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Adair Winter <
>> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>>
>> That's interesting. so some lines show nothing for and down/up speed.
>>  others shows some plan that we have. Is powercode just picking the user
>> with the highest plan for the block and displaying that? hmm
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote:
>>
>> Deployment is your service offerings to the blocks. Basically, what
>> blocks can you cover at what speeds and with what technology. Subscription
>> counts actual subscribers in tracts.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Well then. That sucks.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>>
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:11:11 PM
>>
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>>
>> Mike, I should have at least several hundred that actually have
>> subscribers that powercode should have included in the CSV.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> How many blocks are your subscribers in?
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Mike Hammett
>>
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://

Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Kameron Blomquist]

Pain in the butt.



On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Kameron Blomquist <
kame...@sightlinewireless.com> wrote:

> Chris Fabian, we had that happen as well and have to modify the file
> because if we added Burst speeds it would pull from the min speed vs max. =/
>
>
>
> *Kameron B.*
> *SightLine Wireless*
> *(503) 967-7222 <%28503%29%20967-7222>*
> *www.sightlinewireless.com <http://www.sightlinewireless.com>*
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Kameron Blomquist <
> kame...@sightlinewireless.com> wrote:
>
>> The deployment data is always wrong, you cant just submit that. It just
>> goes off of subscriber info.
>>
>> We got the deployment data from Towercoverage and use the subscriber data
>> from PC.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Kameron B.*
>> *SightLine Wireless*
>> *(503) 967-7222 <%28503%29%20967-7222>*
>> *www.sightlinewireless.com <http://www.sightlinewireless.com>*
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 7:53 AM, Charles Wu <cwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> While I can’t speak directly for PowerCode, I suspect that if you got an
>>> unsolicited voicemail from them that they probably have someone monitoring
>>> this list.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Charles
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Chris Fabien
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:38 AM
>>> *To:* WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> FYI guys I got a voicemail at my office yesterday afternoon from
>>> powercode confirming they are aware of this issue.
>>>
>>> I have not spoken to them yet and I am not sure if they are aware this
>>> is a time critical issue for some WISP who may have CAF funding becoming
>>> available for someone to overbuild them due to faulty 477 data.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:32 PM, Adair Winter <
>>> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I can't tell that anything like that is happening with the plans.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I also noticed strange numbers in the speed plans sometimes it would
>>> line up with a plan that we offered sometimes it would seem to pick a down
>>> from one plan and an upload that from a different plan.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Adair Winter <
>>> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> That's interesting. so some lines show nothing for and down/up speed.
>>>  others shows some plan that we have. Is powercode just picking the user
>>> with the highest plan for the block and displaying that? hmm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Deployment is your service offerings to the blocks. Basically, what
>>> blocks can you cover at what speeds and with what technology. Subscription
>>> counts actual subscribers in tracts.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well then. That sucks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>>
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>>&g

Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Charles Wu]

While I can’t speak directly for PowerCode, I suspect that if you got an 
unsolicited voicemail from them that they probably have someone monitoring this 
list.

 

-Charles

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Chris Fabien
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:38 AM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

 

FYI guys I got a voicemail at my office yesterday afternoon from powercode 
confirming they are aware of this issue. 

I have not spoken to them yet and I am not sure if they are aware this is a 
time critical issue for some WISP who may have CAF funding becoming available 
for someone to overbuild them due to faulty 477 data. 

 

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:32 PM, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net 
<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net> > wrote:

I can't tell that anything like that is happening with the plans.

 

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com 
<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com> > wrote:

I also noticed strange numbers in the speed plans sometimes it would line 
up with a plan that we offered sometimes it would seem to pick a down from one 
plan and an upload that from a different plan. 

 

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net 
<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net> > wrote:

That's interesting. so some lines show nothing for and down/up speed.  others 
shows some plan that we have. Is powercode just picking the user with the 
highest plan for the block and displaying that? hmm

 

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com 
<mailto:cc...@wispmon.com> > wrote:

Deployment is your service offerings to the blocks. Basically, what blocks can 
you cover at what speeds and with what technology. Subscription counts actual 
subscribers in tracts. 

 

 

 

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net 
<mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

Well then. That sucks.



-
Mike Hammett

 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 

 <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange
 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 

 <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP
 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> 


  _  


From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com <mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com> >
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:11:11 PM


Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

Mike, I should have at least several hundred that actually have subscribers 
that powercode should have included in the CSV. 

 

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net 
<mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

How many blocks are your subscribers in?



-
Mike Hammett

 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 

 <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange
 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 

 <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP
 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> 


  _  


From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com <mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com> >
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:06:48 PM


Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

Powercode does not have a real coverage map. They do generate the deployment 
.csv file, based upon the assumption of reporting any block in which you have a 
customer as being deployed. That approach will definitely generate incomplete 
results, but I'm seeing a way way worse problem. Powercode was giving us 22 
blocks reported on the deployment CSV, when I did it by hand in GIS software, I 
have 841 blocks. Something seems to be very broken. I just finished the 
analysis right now, I will be emailing them shortly.

 

If you guys are blindly dumping your

Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Chris Fabien]

FYI guys I got a voicemail at my office yesterday afternoon from powercode
confirming they are aware of this issue.

I have not spoken to them yet and I am not sure if they are aware this is a
time critical issue for some WISP who may have CAF funding becoming
available for someone to overbuild them due to faulty 477 data.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:32 PM, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
wrote:

> I can't tell that anything like that is happening with the plans.
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I also noticed strange numbers in the speed plans sometimes it would
>> line up with a plan that we offered sometimes it would seem to pick a down
>> from one plan and an upload that from a different plan.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Adair Winter <
>> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>>
>>> That's interesting. so some lines show nothing for and down/up speed.
>>>  others shows some plan that we have. Is powercode just picking the user
>>> with the highest plan for the block and displaying that? hmm
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Deployment is your service offerings to the blocks. Basically, what
>>>> blocks can you cover at what speeds and with what technology. Subscription
>>>> counts actual subscribers in tracts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Mike Hammett <
>>>> wispawirel...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well then. That sucks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>
>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *From: *"Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>>>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:11:11 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike, I should have at least several hundred that actually have
>>>>> subscribers that powercode should have included in the CSV.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Mike Hammett <
>>>>> wispawirel...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> How many blocks are your subscribers in?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *From: *"Chris Fabien" <ch..

Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Adair Winter]

I can't tell that anything like that is happening with the plans.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:

> I also noticed strange numbers in the speed plans sometimes it would
> line up with a plan that we offered sometimes it would seem to pick a down
> from one plan and an upload that from a different plan.
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Adair Winter <
> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>
>> That's interesting. so some lines show nothing for and down/up speed.
>>  others shows some plan that we have. Is powercode just picking the user
>> with the highest plan for the block and displaying that? hmm
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Deployment is your service offerings to the blocks. Basically, what
>>> blocks can you cover at what speeds and with what technology. Subscription
>>> counts actual subscribers in tracts.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well then. That sucks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:11:11 PM
>>>>
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>>>>
>>>> Mike, I should have at least several hundred that actually have
>>>> subscribers that powercode should have included in the CSV.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Mike Hammett <
>>>> wispawirel...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How many blocks are your subscribers in?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>
>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *From: *"Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>>>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:06:48 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>>>>>
>>>>> Powercode does not have a real coverage map. They do generate the
>>>>> deployment .csv file, based upon the assumption of reporting any block in
>>>>> which you have a customer as being deployed. That approach will definitely
>>>>> generate incomplete results, but I'm seeing a way way worse problem.
>>>>> Powercode was giving us 22 blocks reported on the deployment CSV, when I
>>>&

Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Chris Fabien]

I also noticed strange numbers in the speed plans sometimes it would
line up with a plan that we offered sometimes it would seem to pick a down
from one plan and an upload that from a different plan.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
wrote:

> That's interesting. so some lines show nothing for and down/up speed.
>  others shows some plan that we have. Is powercode just picking the user
> with the highest plan for the block and displaying that? hmm
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote:
>
>> Deployment is your service offerings to the blocks. Basically, what
>> blocks can you cover at what speeds and with what technology. Subscription
>> counts actual subscribers in tracts.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well then. That sucks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>>
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:11:11 PM
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>>>
>>> Mike, I should have at least several hundred that actually have
>>> subscribers that powercode should have included in the CSV.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> How many blocks are your subscribers in?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:06:48 PM
>>>>
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>>>>
>>>> Powercode does not have a real coverage map. They do generate the
>>>> deployment .csv file, based upon the assumption of reporting any block in
>>>> which you have a customer as being deployed. That approach will definitely
>>>> generate incomplete results, but I'm seeing a way way worse problem.
>>>> Powercode was giving us 22 blocks reported on the deployment CSV, when I
>>>> did it by hand in GIS software, I have 841 blocks. Something seems to be
>>>> very broken. I just finished the analysis right now, I will be emailing
>>>> them shortly.
>>>>
>>>> If you guys are blindly dumping your Powercode deployment CSV into 477,
>>>> you really should check the data yourself somehow. I have talked to one
>>>> other powercode user who was seeing this problem. He actually had a mapping
>>>> background a

Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Adair Winter]

That's interesting. so some lines show nothing for and down/up speed.
 others shows some plan that we have. Is powercode just picking the user
with the highest plan for the block and displaying that? hmm

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote:

> Deployment is your service offerings to the blocks. Basically, what blocks
> can you cover at what speeds and with what technology. Subscription counts
> actual subscribers in tracts.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Well then. That sucks.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>>
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:11:11 PM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>>
>> Mike, I should have at least several hundred that actually have
>> subscribers that powercode should have included in the CSV.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> How many blocks are your subscribers in?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>>
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:06:48 PM
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>>>
>>> Powercode does not have a real coverage map. They do generate the
>>> deployment .csv file, based upon the assumption of reporting any block in
>>> which you have a customer as being deployed. That approach will definitely
>>> generate incomplete results, but I'm seeing a way way worse problem.
>>> Powercode was giving us 22 blocks reported on the deployment CSV, when I
>>> did it by hand in GIS software, I have 841 blocks. Something seems to be
>>> very broken. I just finished the analysis right now, I will be emailing
>>> them shortly.
>>>
>>> If you guys are blindly dumping your Powercode deployment CSV into 477,
>>> you really should check the data yourself somehow. I have talked to one
>>> other powercode user who was seeing this problem. He actually had a mapping
>>> background and helped me do the analysis in MapInfo.
>>>
>>> Chris Fabien
>>> LakeNet LLC
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does PowerCode have any way to calculate the deployment file?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSo

Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Adair Winter]

The deployment file only has 65 rows in it. but for this area I wouldn't be
surprised if that was correct. i'll have to do some digging

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:

> The first value in the deployment data is a census block ID. That file
> reports your coverage area, and what technology and speeds offered on a
> per-census block basis. There should be a LOT of census blocks in the list
> if you have a large coverage area like most WISPs. How many lines do you
> have in the deployment file compared to the 350 in the subscriber file?
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:12 PM, Adair Winter <
> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>
>> Interesting. I think I understand the data that's in the files for the
>> most part.  The deplyment data looks like info about plans what whatnot.
>> and the subscriber info is the blocks/tracts covered.
>> We have over 350 lines in the subscriber file.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:06 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Powercode does not have a real coverage map. They do generate the
>>> deployment .csv file, based upon the assumption of reporting any block in
>>> which you have a customer as being deployed. That approach will definitely
>>> generate incomplete results, but I'm seeing a way way worse problem.
>>> Powercode was giving us 22 blocks reported on the deployment CSV, when I
>>> did it by hand in GIS software, I have 841 blocks. Something seems to be
>>> very broken. I just finished the analysis right now, I will be emailing
>>> them shortly.
>>>
>>> If you guys are blindly dumping your Powercode deployment CSV into 477,
>>> you really should check the data yourself somehow. I have talked to one
>>> other powercode user who was seeing this problem. He actually had a mapping
>>> background and helped me do the analysis in MapInfo.
>>>
>>> Chris Fabien
>>> LakeNet LLC
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does PowerCode have any way to calculate the deployment file?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"Adair Winter" <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
>>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:52:10 PM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *shrug*
>>>> When I do the export from powercode it dumps two .csv files.
>>>> DeploymentData.csv and SubscriptionData.csv. Both of which I just load in
>>>> to the fcc 477 site.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Does Powercode do deployment or only subscriber?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>
>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>>> <https://www.

Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Cameron Crum]

Deployment is your service offerings to the blocks. Basically, what blocks
can you cover at what speeds and with what technology. Subscription counts
actual subscribers in tracts.



On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
wrote:

> Well then. That sucks.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
>
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:11:11 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>
> Mike, I should have at least several hundred that actually have
> subscribers that powercode should have included in the CSV.
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
> wrote:
>
>> How many blocks are your subscribers in?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>>
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:06:48 PM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>>
>> Powercode does not have a real coverage map. They do generate the
>> deployment .csv file, based upon the assumption of reporting any block in
>> which you have a customer as being deployed. That approach will definitely
>> generate incomplete results, but I'm seeing a way way worse problem.
>> Powercode was giving us 22 blocks reported on the deployment CSV, when I
>> did it by hand in GIS software, I have 841 blocks. Something seems to be
>> very broken. I just finished the analysis right now, I will be emailing
>> them shortly.
>>
>> If you guys are blindly dumping your Powercode deployment CSV into 477,
>> you really should check the data yourself somehow. I have talked to one
>> other powercode user who was seeing this problem. He actually had a mapping
>> background and helped me do the analysis in MapInfo.
>>
>> Chris Fabien
>> LakeNet LLC
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Does PowerCode have any way to calculate the deployment file?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>>
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>

Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Chris Fabien]

The first value in the deployment data is a census block ID. That file
reports your coverage area, and what technology and speeds offered on a
per-census block basis. There should be a LOT of census blocks in the list
if you have a large coverage area like most WISPs. How many lines do you
have in the deployment file compared to the 350 in the subscriber file?

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:12 PM, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
wrote:

> Interesting. I think I understand the data that's in the files for the
> most part.  The deplyment data looks like info about plans what whatnot.
> and the subscriber info is the blocks/tracts covered.
> We have over 350 lines in the subscriber file.
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:06 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Powercode does not have a real coverage map. They do generate the
>> deployment .csv file, based upon the assumption of reporting any block in
>> which you have a customer as being deployed. That approach will definitely
>> generate incomplete results, but I'm seeing a way way worse problem.
>> Powercode was giving us 22 blocks reported on the deployment CSV, when I
>> did it by hand in GIS software, I have 841 blocks. Something seems to be
>> very broken. I just finished the analysis right now, I will be emailing
>> them shortly.
>>
>> If you guys are blindly dumping your Powercode deployment CSV into 477,
>> you really should check the data yourself somehow. I have talked to one
>> other powercode user who was seeing this problem. He actually had a mapping
>> background and helped me do the analysis in MapInfo.
>>
>> Chris Fabien
>> LakeNet LLC
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Does PowerCode have any way to calculate the deployment file?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>>
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Adair Winter" <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:52:10 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>>>
>>>
>>> *shrug*
>>> When I do the export from powercode it dumps two .csv files.
>>> DeploymentData.csv and SubscriptionData.csv. Both of which I just load in
>>> to the fcc 477 site.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does Powercode do deployment or only subscriber?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016

Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Adair Winter]

Interesting. I think I understand the data that's in the files for the most
part.  The deplyment data looks like info about plans what whatnot. and the
subscriber info is the blocks/tracts covered.
We have over 350 lines in the subscriber file.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:06 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:

> Powercode does not have a real coverage map. They do generate the
> deployment .csv file, based upon the assumption of reporting any block in
> which you have a customer as being deployed. That approach will definitely
> generate incomplete results, but I'm seeing a way way worse problem.
> Powercode was giving us 22 blocks reported on the deployment CSV, when I
> did it by hand in GIS software, I have 841 blocks. Something seems to be
> very broken. I just finished the analysis right now, I will be emailing
> them shortly.
>
> If you guys are blindly dumping your Powercode deployment CSV into 477,
> you really should check the data yourself somehow. I have talked to one
> other powercode user who was seeing this problem. He actually had a mapping
> background and helped me do the analysis in MapInfo.
>
> Chris Fabien
> LakeNet LLC
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Does PowerCode have any way to calculate the deployment file?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>>
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Adair Winter" <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:52:10 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>>
>>
>> *shrug*
>> When I do the export from powercode it dumps two .csv files.
>> DeploymentData.csv and SubscriptionData.csv. Both of which I just load in
>> to the fcc 477 site.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Does Powercode do deployment or only subscriber?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>>
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:46:44 AM
>>> *Subject: *[WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>>>
>>> Working on our 477, mapped the deployment data from powercode in our GIS
>>> software, we found it was grossly inaccurate, probably only has 10% of the
>>> blocks in the file compared to ones where we have customers. Has anyone
>>> else noticed this?
>>>
>>> We were previously not mapping the output and just blindly submitting
>>> it bad idea... we were grossly under reporting our coverage.
>>>
>>> ___
>>> Wireless mailing list
>>> Wireless@wispa.org
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>>
>>>
>>> ___

Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Mike Hammett]

Well then. That sucks. 




- 
Mike Hammett 

Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:11:11 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate 


Mike, I should have at least several hundred that actually have subscribers 
that powercode should have included in the CSV. 


On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




How many blocks are your subscribers in? 




- 
Mike Hammett 

Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 



From: "Chris Fabien" < ch...@lakenetmi.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:06:48 PM 


Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate 


Powercode does not have a real coverage map. They do generate the deployment 
.csv file, based upon the assumption of reporting any block in which you have a 
customer as being deployed. That approach will definitely generate incomplete 
results, but I'm seeing a way way worse problem. Powercode was giving us 22 
blocks reported on the deployment CSV, when I did it by hand in GIS software, I 
have 841 blocks. Something seems to be very broken. I just finished the 
analysis right now, I will be emailing them shortly. 


If you guys are blindly dumping your Powercode deployment CSV into 477, you 
really should check the data yourself somehow. I have talked to one other 
powercode user who was seeing this problem. He actually had a mapping 
background and helped me do the analysis in MapInfo. 


Chris Fabien 
LakeNet LLC 




On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




Does PowerCode have any way to calculate the deployment file? 




- 
Mike Hammett 

Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


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From: "Adair Winter" < ada...@amarillowireless.net > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:52:10 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate 




*shrug* 
When I do the export from powercode it dumps two .csv files. DeploymentData.csv 
and SubscriptionData.csv. Both of which I just load in to the fcc 477 site. 


On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




Does Powercode do deployment or only subscriber? 




- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 



From: "Chris Fabien" < ch...@lakenetmi.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:46:44 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate 


Working on our 477, mapped the deployment data from powercode in our GIS 
software, we found it was grossly inaccurate, probably only has 10% of the 
blocks in the file compared to ones where we have customers. Has anyone else 
noticed this? 


We were previously not mapping the output and just blindly submitting it 
bad idea... we were grossly under reporting our coverage. 
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Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Chris Fabien]

Mike, I should have at least several hundred that actually have subscribers
that powercode should have included in the CSV.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
wrote:

> How many blocks are your subscribers in?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
>
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
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> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
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> *From: *"Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:06:48 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>
> Powercode does not have a real coverage map. They do generate the
> deployment .csv file, based upon the assumption of reporting any block in
> which you have a customer as being deployed. That approach will definitely
> generate incomplete results, but I'm seeing a way way worse problem.
> Powercode was giving us 22 blocks reported on the deployment CSV, when I
> did it by hand in GIS software, I have 841 blocks. Something seems to be
> very broken. I just finished the analysis right now, I will be emailing
> them shortly.
>
> If you guys are blindly dumping your Powercode deployment CSV into 477,
> you really should check the data yourself somehow. I have talked to one
> other powercode user who was seeing this problem. He actually had a mapping
> background and helped me do the analysis in MapInfo.
>
> Chris Fabien
> LakeNet LLC
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Does PowerCode have any way to calculate the deployment file?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>>
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Adair Winter" <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:52:10 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>>
>>
>> *shrug*
>> When I do the export from powercode it dumps two .csv files.
>> DeploymentData.csv and SubscriptionData.csv. Both of which I just load in
>> to the fcc 477 site.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Does Powercode do deployment or only subscriber?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>>
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Chris 

Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Mike Hammett]

How many blocks are your subscribers in? 




- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:06:48 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate 


Powercode does not have a real coverage map. They do generate the deployment 
.csv file, based upon the assumption of reporting any block in which you have a 
customer as being deployed. That approach will definitely generate incomplete 
results, but I'm seeing a way way worse problem. Powercode was giving us 22 
blocks reported on the deployment CSV, when I did it by hand in GIS software, I 
have 841 blocks. Something seems to be very broken. I just finished the 
analysis right now, I will be emailing them shortly. 


If you guys are blindly dumping your Powercode deployment CSV into 477, you 
really should check the data yourself somehow. I have talked to one other 
powercode user who was seeing this problem. He actually had a mapping 
background and helped me do the analysis in MapInfo. 


Chris Fabien 
LakeNet LLC 




On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




Does PowerCode have any way to calculate the deployment file? 




- 
Mike Hammett 

Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 



From: "Adair Winter" < ada...@amarillowireless.net > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:52:10 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate 




*shrug* 
When I do the export from powercode it dumps two .csv files. DeploymentData.csv 
and SubscriptionData.csv. Both of which I just load in to the fcc 477 site. 


On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




Does Powercode do deployment or only subscriber? 




- 
Mike Hammett 

Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 



From: "Chris Fabien" < ch...@lakenetmi.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:46:44 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate 


Working on our 477, mapped the deployment data from powercode in our GIS 
software, we found it was grossly inaccurate, probably only has 10% of the 
blocks in the file compared to ones where we have customers. Has anyone else 
noticed this? 


We were previously not mapping the output and just blindly submitting it 
bad idea... we were grossly under reporting our coverage. 
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Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Chris Fabien]

Powercode does not have a real coverage map. They do generate the
deployment .csv file, based upon the assumption of reporting any block in
which you have a customer as being deployed. That approach will definitely
generate incomplete results, but I'm seeing a way way worse problem.
Powercode was giving us 22 blocks reported on the deployment CSV, when I
did it by hand in GIS software, I have 841 blocks. Something seems to be
very broken. I just finished the analysis right now, I will be emailing
them shortly.

If you guys are blindly dumping your Powercode deployment CSV into 477, you
really should check the data yourself somehow. I have talked to one other
powercode user who was seeing this problem. He actually had a mapping
background and helped me do the analysis in MapInfo.

Chris Fabien
LakeNet LLC


On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
wrote:

> Does PowerCode have any way to calculate the deployment file?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
>
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Adair Winter" <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:52:10 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>
>
> *shrug*
> When I do the export from powercode it dumps two .csv files.
> DeploymentData.csv and SubscriptionData.csv. Both of which I just load in
> to the fcc 477 site.
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Does Powercode do deployment or only subscriber?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>>
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:46:44 AM
>> *Subject: *[WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>>
>> Working on our 477, mapped the deployment data from powercode in our GIS
>> software, we found it was grossly inaccurate, probably only has 10% of the
>> blocks in the file compared to ones where we have customers. Has anyone
>> else noticed this?
>>
>> We were previously not mapping the output and just blindly submitting
>> it bad idea... we were grossly under reporting our coverage.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Adair Winter]

Don't know for sure.
What would one do with it?
Here is a line from the file
48381021702,70,153.6,153.6,1,0


On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:53 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
wrote:

> Does PowerCode have any way to calculate the deployment file?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
>
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Adair Winter" <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:52:10 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>
>
> *shrug*
> When I do the export from powercode it dumps two .csv files.
> DeploymentData.csv and SubscriptionData.csv. Both of which I just load in
> to the fcc 477 site.
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Does Powercode do deployment or only subscriber?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>>
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:46:44 AM
>> *Subject: *[WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>>
>> Working on our 477, mapped the deployment data from powercode in our GIS
>> software, we found it was grossly inaccurate, probably only has 10% of the
>> blocks in the file compared to ones where we have customers. Has anyone
>> else noticed this?
>>
>> We were previously not mapping the output and just blindly submitting
>> it bad idea... we were grossly under reporting our coverage.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Mike Hammett]

Does PowerCode have any way to calculate the deployment file? 




- 
Mike Hammett 

Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Adair Winter" <ada...@amarillowireless.net> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:52:10 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate 


*shrug* 
When I do the export from powercode it dumps two .csv files. DeploymentData.csv 
and SubscriptionData.csv. Both of which I just load in to the fcc 477 site. 


On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




Does Powercode do deployment or only subscriber? 




- 
Mike Hammett 

Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 



From: "Chris Fabien" < ch...@lakenetmi.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:46:44 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate 


Working on our 477, mapped the deployment data from powercode in our GIS 
software, we found it was grossly inaccurate, probably only has 10% of the 
blocks in the file compared to ones where we have customers. Has anyone else 
noticed this? 


We were previously not mapping the output and just blindly submitting it 
bad idea... we were grossly under reporting our coverage. 
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Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Adair Winter]

*shrug*
When I do the export from powercode it dumps two .csv files.
DeploymentData.csv and SubscriptionData.csv. Both of which I just load in
to the fcc 477 site.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Mike Hammett 
wrote:

> Does Powercode do deployment or only subscriber?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
>
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
>
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"Chris Fabien" 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:46:44 AM
> *Subject: *[WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>
> Working on our 477, mapped the deployment data from powercode in our GIS
> software, we found it was grossly inaccurate, probably only has 10% of the
> blocks in the file compared to ones where we have customers. Has anyone
> else noticed this?
>
> We were previously not mapping the output and just blindly submitting
> it bad idea... we were grossly under reporting our coverage.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Mike Hammett]

Does Powercode do deployment or only subscriber? 




- 
Mike Hammett 

Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Chris Fabien"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:46:44 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate 


Working on our 477, mapped the deployment data from powercode in our GIS 
software, we found it was grossly inaccurate, probably only has 10% of the 
blocks in the file compared to ones where we have customers. Has anyone else 
noticed this? 


We were previously not mapping the output and just blindly submitting it 
bad idea... we were grossly under reporting our coverage. 
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Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Adair Winter]

well that's not good. any good reason why powercode wouldn't have all of
them listed?
Have you reached out to them?

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Chris Fabien  wrote:

> Working on our 477, mapped the deployment data from powercode in our GIS
> software, we found it was grossly inaccurate, probably only has 10% of the
> blocks in the file compared to ones where we have customers. Has anyone
> else noticed this?
>
> We were previously not mapping the output and just blindly submitting
> it bad idea... we were grossly under reporting our coverage.
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Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Jeremy Austin]

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:

> We were getting like 20 blocks from powercode when we should have several
> hundred...
>

I found it fairly simple to use TIGERweb (a census GIS) which has a query
tool, to draw some shapes and spit out the list of census blocks. A little
munging in Excel… and voila.

https://tigerweb.geo.census.gov/tigerweb/

Then again, I don't have widely varying service offerings or odd-shaped
territories… YMMV


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Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Chris Fabien]

Imported a shapefile of the census blocks and matched up the output from
powercode. We were getting like 20 blocks from powercode when we should
have several hundred...

On Aug 30, 2016 4:53 PM, "Kevin Sullivan" 
wrote:

How did you check it?



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Working on our 477, mapped the deployment data from powercode in our GIS
software, we found it was grossly inaccurate, probably only has 10% of the
blocks in the file compared to ones where we have customers. Has anyone
else noticed this?



We were previously not mapping the output and just blindly submitting
it bad idea... we were grossly under reporting our coverage.

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Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Kevin Sullivan]

How did you check it?

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Chris Fabien
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 8:47 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

 

Working on our 477, mapped the deployment data from powercode in our GIS 
software, we found it was grossly inaccurate, probably only has 10% of the 
blocks in the file compared to ones where we have customers. Has anyone else 
noticed this? 

 

We were previously not mapping the output and just blindly submitting it 
bad idea... we were grossly under reporting our coverage. 

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