Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65 Airmax
Less coverage then 3.65 for sure. On Jun 22, 2011 11:28 AM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: How does the Ubnt 3.65 perform where going thru light foliage perhaps only one or two trees? What kind of throughput? We are thinking of switching some of our 2.4 over to 3.65 because of interference issues. Thanks Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65 Airmax
I am shooting through a hill and a forest, about ~2.5miles with 3.65GHz. The link was marginal at 900MHz, I really did this one as a test to see if 3.65GHz could handle it. I am using one of the KPP reflectors on the Nanostation as a test. It is linked up with a noise floor of -95 at about -85 to -90dB. Pretty horrible. But I get about 3Mbps throughput. I have another customer with a lot of foliage but not such a nightmare situation. 900MHz was linked at about -75ish, 3.65GHz is linked in the low 80s (-82 to -85ish). This is without a reflector, just a straight NSM365. Customer gets about 5Mbps x 1.5Mbps. I don't think it is great at dense penetration but we've seen it work OK with a low noise floor in areas that were previously required to be 900MHz. On 6/22/2011 10:27 AM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: How does the Ubnt 3.65 perform where going thru light foliage perhaps only one or two trees? What kind of throughput? We are thinking of switching some of our 2.4 over to 3.65 because of interference issues. Thanks Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com (920) 351-1010 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65 Airmax
What was the signal of the first link in 900? On Jun 22, 2011 11:41 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com wrote: I am shooting through a hill and a forest, about ~2.5miles with 3.65GHz. The link was marginal at 900MHz, I really did this one as a test to see if 3.65GHz could handle it. I am using one of the KPP reflectors on the Nanostation as a test. It is linked up with a noise floor of -95 at about -85 to -90dB. Pretty horrible. But I get about 3Mbps throughput. I have another customer with a lot of foliage but not such a nightmare situation. 900MHz was linked at about -75ish, 3.65GHz is linked in the low 80s (-82 to -85ish). This is without a reflector, just a straight NSM365. Customer gets about 5Mbps x 1.5Mbps. I don't think it is great at dense penetration but we've seen it work OK with a low noise floor in areas that were previously required to be 900MHz. On 6/22/2011 10:27 AM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: How does the Ubnt 3.65 perform where going thru light foliage perhaps only one or two trees? What kind of throughput? We are thinking of switching some of our 2.4 over to 3.65 because of interference issues. Thanks Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com (920) 351-1010 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65 Airmax
In a LOS situation with say -70 or so what kind of throughput with UBNT 3.65? Also on the FCC Registration do I file as Common Carrier, Non-Common, or Private? Thanks, Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Simon Westlake Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:41 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65 Airmax I am shooting through a hill and a forest, about ~2.5miles with 3.65GHz. The link was marginal at 900MHz, I really did this one as a test to see if 3.65GHz could handle it. I am using one of the KPP reflectors on the Nanostation as a test. It is linked up with a noise floor of -95 at about -85 to -90dB. Pretty horrible. But I get about 3Mbps throughput. I have another customer with a lot of foliage but not such a nightmare situation. 900MHz was linked at about -75ish, 3.65GHz is linked in the low 80s (-82 to -85ish). This is without a reflector, just a straight NSM365. Customer gets about 5Mbps x 1.5Mbps. I don't think it is great at dense penetration but we've seen it work OK with a low noise floor in areas that were previously required to be 900MHz. On 6/22/2011 10:27 AM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: How does the Ubnt 3.65 perform where going thru light foliage perhaps only one or two trees? What kind of throughput? We are thinking of switching some of our 2.4 over to 3.65 because of interference issues. Thanks Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com (920) 351-1010 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65 Airmax
It wasn't working at the time. I don't know if it was a signal issue though, this guy just ended up being in a good spot to beta test worst case 3.65GHz scenario. On 6/22/2011 10:47 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: What was the signal of the first link in 900? On Jun 22, 2011 11:41 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com mailto:si...@powercode.com wrote: I am shooting through a hill and a forest, about ~2.5miles with 3.65GHz. The link was marginal at 900MHz, I really did this one as a test to see if 3.65GHz could handle it. I am using one of the KPP reflectors on the Nanostation as a test. It is linked up with a noise floor of -95 at about -85 to -90dB. Pretty horrible. But I get about 3Mbps throughput. I have another customer with a lot of foliage but not such a nightmare situation. 900MHz was linked at about -75ish, 3.65GHz is linked in the low 80s (-82 to -85ish). This is without a reflector, just a straight NSM365. Customer gets about 5Mbps x 1.5Mbps. I don't think it is great at dense penetration but we've seen it work OK with a low noise floor in areas that were previously required to be 900MHz. On 6/22/2011 10:27 AM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: How does the Ubnt 3.65 perform where going thru light foliage perhaps only one or two trees? What kind of throughput? We are thinking of switching some of our 2.4 over to 3.65 because of interference issues. Thanks Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET http://CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com mailto:si...@powercode.com (920) 351-1010 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com (920) 351-1010 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65 Airmax
I tested by driving my car about a mile away from the tower and holding an NSM365 through the sunroof of my car. I was at ~-75 or so. I was pulling 18Mbps x 19Mbps at 10MHz channel width. Granted this was the only SM connected to the AP at the time. On 6/22/2011 10:52 AM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: In a LOS situation with say -70 or so what kind of throughput with UBNT 3.65? Also on the FCC Registration do I file as Common Carrier, Non-Common, or Private? Thanks, Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Simon Westlake Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:41 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65 Airmax I am shooting through a hill and a forest, about ~2.5miles with 3.65GHz. The link was marginal at 900MHz, I really did this one as a test to see if 3.65GHz could handle it. I am using one of the KPP reflectors on the Nanostation as a test. It is linked up with a noise floor of -95 at about -85 to -90dB. Pretty horrible. But I get about 3Mbps throughput. I have another customer with a lot of foliage but not such a nightmare situation. 900MHz was linked at about -75ish, 3.65GHz is linked in the low 80s (-82 to -85ish). This is without a reflector, just a straight NSM365. Customer gets about 5Mbps x 1.5Mbps. I don't think it is great at dense penetration but we've seen it work OK with a low noise floor in areas that were previously required to be 900MHz. On 6/22/2011 10:27 AM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: How does the Ubnt 3.65 perform where going thru light foliage perhaps only one or two trees? What kind of throughput? We are thinking of switching some of our 2.4 over to 3.65 because of interference issues. Thanks Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com (920) 351-1010 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65 Airmax
In a LOS situation with say -70 or so what kind of throughput with UBNT 3.65? Also on the FCC Registration do I file as Common Carrier, Non-Common, or Private? Thanks, Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Simon Westlake Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65 Airmax It wasn't working at the time. I don't know if it was a signal issue though, this guy just ended up being in a good spot to beta test worst case 3.65GHz scenario. On 6/22/2011 10:47 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: What was the signal of the first link in 900? On Jun 22, 2011 11:41 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com mailto:si...@powercode.com wrote: I am shooting through a hill and a forest, about ~2.5miles with 3.65GHz. The link was marginal at 900MHz, I really did this one as a test to see if 3.65GHz could handle it. I am using one of the KPP reflectors on the Nanostation as a test. It is linked up with a noise floor of -95 at about -85 to -90dB. Pretty horrible. But I get about 3Mbps throughput. I have another customer with a lot of foliage but not such a nightmare situation. 900MHz was linked at about -75ish, 3.65GHz is linked in the low 80s (-82 to -85ish). This is without a reflector, just a straight NSM365. Customer gets about 5Mbps x 1.5Mbps. I don't think it is great at dense penetration but we've seen it work OK with a low noise floor in areas that were previously required to be 900MHz. On 6/22/2011 10:27 AM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: How does the Ubnt 3.65 perform where going thru light foliage perhaps only one or two trees? What kind of throughput? We are thinking of switching some of our 2.4 over to 3.65 because of interference issues. Thanks Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET http://CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com mailto:si...@powercode.com (920) 351-1010 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com (920) 351-1010 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65 Airmax
Hi Victoria, In total seriousness, if one of my installers did something like this, even for a temp job, I would fire them.. This person appears to have no clue as to be able to estimate what load / leverage / mechanical setup at all about. :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 6/22/2011 11:49 AM, Victoria wrote: We put up a test site with 3.65 and the recent winds blew it down, plus my installer really did a temporary job (attached). :( However, I was able to connect2 miles with a customer radio @ 1 Mbps down/ 2 Mbps up. Totally amazed it would even see the AP! Talk about non-LOS! Victoria Proffer President/CEO St. Louis Broadband 314.974.5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Simon Westlake Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:41 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65 Airmax I am shooting through a hill and a forest, about ~2.5miles with 3.65GHz. The link was marginal at 900MHz, I really did this one as a test to see if 3.65GHz could handle it. I am using one of the KPP reflectors on the Nanostation as a test. It is linked up with a noise floor of -95 at about -85 to -90dB. Pretty horrible. But I get about 3Mbps throughput. I have another customer with a lot of foliage but not such a nightmare situation. 900MHz was linked at about -75ish, 3.65GHz is linked in the low 80s (-82 to -85ish). This is without a reflector, just a straight NSM365. Customer gets about 5Mbps x 1.5Mbps. I don't think it is great at dense penetration but we've seen it work OK with a low noise floor in areas that were previously required to be 900MHz. On 6/22/2011 10:27 AM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: How does the Ubnt 3.65 perform where going thru light foliage perhaps only one or two trees? What kind of throughput? We are thinking of switching some of our 2.4 over to 3.65 because of interference issues. Thanks Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65 Airmax
LOL, agreed J, but it was for more of a site survey, to see what these guys would do and to check the noise level. We still have to run conduit, it is a pretty massive roof and we did not want to take that job on if the UNBT wasn't for us. Victoria Proffer President/CEO http://stlbroadband.com/ St. Louis Broadband 314.974.5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 11:01 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65 Airmax Hi Victoria, In total seriousness, if one of my installers did something like this, even for a temp job, I would fire them.. This person appears to have no clue as to be able to estimate what load / leverage / mechanical setup at all about. :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 6/22/2011 11:49 AM, Victoria wrote: We put up a test site with 3.65 and the recent winds blew it down, plus my installer really did a temporary job (attached). :( However, I was able to connect 2 miles with a customer radio @ 1 Mbps down/ 2 Mbps up. Totally amazed it would even see the AP! Talk about non-LOS! Victoria Proffer President/CEO St. Louis Broadband 314.974.5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Simon Westlake Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:41 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65 Airmax I am shooting through a hill and a forest, about ~2.5miles with 3.65GHz. The link was marginal at 900MHz, I really did this one as a test to see if 3.65GHz could handle it. I am using one of the KPP reflectors on the Nanostation as a test. It is linked up with a noise floor of -95 at about -85 to -90dB. Pretty horrible. But I get about 3Mbps throughput. I have another customer with a lot of foliage but not such a nightmare situation. 900MHz was linked at about -75ish, 3.65GHz is linked in the low 80s (-82 to -85ish). This is without a reflector, just a straight NSM365. Customer gets about 5Mbps x 1.5Mbps. I don't think it is great at dense penetration but we've seen it work OK with a low noise floor in areas that were previously required to be 900MHz. On 6/22/2011 10:27 AM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: How does the Ubnt 3.65 perform where going thru light foliage perhaps only one or two trees? What kind of throughput? We are thinking of switching some of our 2.4 over to 3.65 because of interference issues. Thanks Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3719 - Release Date: 06/22/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65 Airmax
You are asking a fair question, but the answer to this question is based on a lot of IF's and But's Frequency of 3.65 should have very similar characteristics of 2.4 UBNT Dual Polarity appears to have a great advantage over single polarity when shooting thru Foliage Going thru Foliage has a different meaning to everyone Question becomes how much RSSI you have that you can Loose to Foliage and still deliver what you need to deliver to the customer. Contrary to popular belief, we have a few 5Ghz (UBNT M) links going thru (one or two trees). but these are very short links, To give you a direct comparison.. (distance is less than 1/4 mile) Two CPE's shooting to the same AP (all Ubnt M with Airmax / 20Mhz Channel), radios are on two warehouse one unit apart.. (i.e. (unit # 1 and Unit # 3 on the same row). CPE # 1 going thru Thick leafy Tree ... (NSM Loco M5) power output 10dbm, signal -77to-79/-70, signal strength -70 CPE # 2clear LOS .. (NSM Loco M5) power output 5dbm, signal -60/-64 Signal strength -59 needless to say both links are capable of delivering well over 20megs (customer is not buying as much). The point is .. if you have RSSI to spare, if you can loose 10-15db going thru a tree and still get a decent signal then you may be good regardless of what frequency you are using... We have found that Dual Polarity on the Ubnt M radios has a very big positive impact on going thru Foliage or even making short Non-LOS links... Of course you mileage may vary... Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 6/22/2011 11:27 AM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: How does the Ubnt 3.65 perform where going thru light foliage perhaps only one or two trees? What kind of throughput? We are thinking of switching some of our 2.4 over to 3.65 because of interference issues. Thanks Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65 Airmax
When deploying 3.65 you'll want to consider that - There is only 25MHz of spectrum to use, you'll have nowhere to run if you have interference - To get three AP's on a tower you'll probably have to use to use 7MHz channels (using the 5.5 beta2 software) - 7MHz channel will get get ~15Mbps TCP (maybe higher but I doubt it) - You'll absolutely need the GPS versions However, if you are only putting one AP on a tower, you could go with a 25MHz wide channel and get 25watts EIRP (44dB) at the AP and CPE ends. That's A LOT of punch to get hrough foliage, BUT leaves no room for growth. - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65 Airmax In a LOS situation with say -70 or so what kind of throughput with UBNT 3.65? Also on the FCC Registration do I file as Common Carrier, Non-Common, or Private? Thanks, Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Simon Westlake Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65 Airmax It wasn't working at the time. I don't know if it was a signal issue though, this guy just ended up being in a good spot to beta test worst case 3.65GHz scenario. On 6/22/2011 10:47 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: What was the signal of the first link in 900? On Jun 22, 2011 11:41 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com mailto:si...@powercode.com wrote: I am shooting through a hill and a forest, about ~2.5miles with 3.65GHz. The link was marginal at 900MHz, I really did this one as a test to see if 3.65GHz could handle it. I am using one of the KPP reflectors on the Nanostation as a test. It is linked up with a noise floor of -95 at about -85 to -90dB. Pretty horrible. But I get about 3Mbps throughput. I have another customer with a lot of foliage but not such a nightmare situation. 900MHz was linked at about -75ish, 3.65GHz is linked in the low 80s (-82 to -85ish). This is without a reflector, just a straight NSM365. Customer gets about 5Mbps x 1.5Mbps. I don't think it is great at dense penetration but we've seen it work OK with a low noise floor in areas that were previously required to be 900MHz. On 6/22/2011 10:27 AM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: How does the Ubnt 3.65 perform where going thru light foliage perhaps only one or two trees? What kind of throughput? We are thinking of switching some of our 2.4 over to 3.65 because of interference issues. Thanks Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET http://CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com mailto:si...@powercode.com (920) 351-1010 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65 Airmax
However, if you are only putting one AP on a tower, you could go with a 25MHz wide channel and get 25watts EIRP (44dB) at the AP and CPE ends. That's A LOT of punch to get hrough foliage, BUT leaves no room for growth. What's wrong with 25 watts and 7Mhz channels? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: When deploying 3.65 you'll want to consider that - There is only 25MHz of spectrum to use, you'll have nowhere to run if you have interference - To get three AP's on a tower you'll probably have to use to use 7MHz channels (using the 5.5 beta2 software) - 7MHz channel will get get ~15Mbps TCP (maybe higher but I doubt it) - You'll absolutely need the GPS versions However, if you are only putting one AP on a tower, you could go with a 25MHz wide channel and get 25watts EIRP (44dB) at the AP and CPE ends. That's A LOT of punch to get hrough foliage, BUT leaves no room for growth. - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65 Airmax In a LOS situation with say -70 or so what kind of throughput with UBNT 3.65? Also on the FCC Registration do I file as Common Carrier, Non-Common, or Private? Thanks, Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Simon Westlake Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65 Airmax It wasn't working at the time. I don't know if it was a signal issue though, this guy just ended up being in a good spot to beta test worst case 3.65GHz scenario. On 6/22/2011 10:47 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: What was the signal of the first link in 900? On Jun 22, 2011 11:41 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com mailto:si...@powercode.com wrote: I am shooting through a hill and a forest, about ~2.5miles with 3.65GHz. The link was marginal at 900MHz, I really did this one as a test to see if 3.65GHz could handle it. I am using one of the KPP reflectors on the Nanostation as a test. It is linked up with a noise floor of -95 at about -85 to -90dB. Pretty horrible. But I get about 3Mbps throughput. I have another customer with a lot of foliage but not such a nightmare situation. 900MHz was linked at about -75ish, 3.65GHz is linked in the low 80s (-82 to -85ish). This is without a reflector, just a straight NSM365. Customer gets about 5Mbps x 1.5Mbps. I don't think it is great at dense penetration but we've seen it work OK with a low noise floor in areas that were previously required to be 900MHz. On 6/22/2011 10:27 AM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: How does the Ubnt 3.65 perform where going thru light foliage perhaps only one or two trees? What kind of throughput? We are thinking of switching some of our 2.4 over to 3.65 because of interference issues. Thanks Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET http://CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com mailto:si...@powercode.com (920) 351-1010
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65 Airmax
1W/MHz is the rule 7MHz channel = 7W (38.5dB) Plus you don't get to use the antenna rules for CPE's, max EIRP is fixed regardless of antenna used. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 9:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65 Airmax However, if you are only putting one AP on a tower, you could go with a 25MHz wide channel and get 25watts EIRP (44dB) at the AP and CPE ends. That's A LOT of punch to get hrough foliage, BUT leaves no room for growth. What's wrong with 25 watts and 7Mhz channels? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: When deploying 3.65 you'll want to consider that - There is only 25MHz of spectrum to use, you'll have nowhere to run if you have interference - To get three AP's on a tower you'll probably have to use to use 7MHz channels (using the 5.5 beta2 software) - 7MHz channel will get get ~15Mbps TCP (maybe higher but I doubt it) - You'll absolutely need the GPS versions However, if you are only putting one AP on a tower, you could go with a 25MHz wide channel and get 25watts EIRP (44dB) at the AP and CPE ends. That's A LOT of punch to get hrough foliage, BUT leaves no room for growth. - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65 Airmax In a LOS situation with say -70 or so what kind of throughput with UBNT 3.65? Also on the FCC Registration do I file as Common Carrier, Non-Common, or Private? Thanks, Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NEThttp://CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414tel:%28918%29%20235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Simon Westlake Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65 Airmax It wasn't working at the time. I don't know if it was a signal issue though, this guy just ended up being in a good spot to beta test worst case 3.65GHz scenario. On 6/22/2011 10:47 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: What was the signal of the first link in 900? On Jun 22, 2011 11:41 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.commailto:si...@powercode.com mailto:si...@powercode.commailto:si...@powercode.com wrote: I am shooting through a hill and a forest, about ~2.5miles with 3.65GHz. The link was marginal at 900MHz, I really did this one as a test to see if 3.65GHz could handle it. I am using one of the KPP reflectors on the Nanostation as a test. It is linked up with a noise floor of -95 at about -85 to -90dB. Pretty horrible. But I get about 3Mbps throughput. I have another customer with a lot of foliage but not such a nightmare situation. 900MHz was linked at about -75ish, 3.65GHz is linked in the low 80s (-82 to -85ish). This is without a reflector, just a straight NSM365. Customer gets about 5Mbps x 1.5Mbps. I don't think it is great at dense penetration but we've seen it work OK with a low noise floor in areas that were previously required to be 900MHz. On 6/22/2011 10:27 AM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: How does the Ubnt 3.65 perform where going thru light foliage perhaps only one or two trees? What kind of throughput? We are thinking of switching some of our 2.4 over to 3.65 because of interference issues. Thanks Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NEThttp://CSWEB.NET http://CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414tel:%28918%29%20235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65 Airmax
1 watt per MHz limit in 3650. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/22/2011 11:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: However, if you are only putting one AP on a tower, you could go with a 25MHz wide channel and get 25watts EIRP (44dB) at the AP and CPE ends. That's A LOT of punch to get hrough foliage, BUT leaves no room for growth. What's wrong with 25 watts and 7Mhz channels? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: When deploying 3.65 you'll want to consider that - There is only 25MHz of spectrum to use, you'll have nowhere to run if you have interference - To get three AP's on a tower you'll probably have to use to use 7MHz channels (using the 5.5 beta2 software) - 7MHz channel will get get ~15Mbps TCP (maybe higher but I doubt it) - You'll absolutely need the GPS versions However, if you are only putting one AP on a tower, you could go with a 25MHz wide channel and get 25watts EIRP (44dB) at the AP and CPE ends. That's A LOT of punch to get hrough foliage, BUT leaves no room for growth. - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65 Airmax In a LOS situation with say -70 or so what kind of throughput with UBNT 3.65? Also on the FCC Registration do I file as Common Carrier, Non-Common, or Private? Thanks, Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET http://CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 tel:%28918%29%20235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Simon Westlake Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65 Airmax It wasn't working at the time. I don't know if it was a signal issue though, this guy just ended up being in a good spot to beta test worst case 3.65GHz scenario. On 6/22/2011 10:47 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: What was the signal of the first link in 900? On Jun 22, 2011 11:41 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com mailto:si...@powercode.com mailto:si...@powercode.com mailto:si...@powercode.com wrote: I am shooting through a hill and a forest, about ~2.5miles with 3.65GHz. The link was marginal at 900MHz, I really did this one as a test to see if 3.65GHz could handle it. I am using one of the KPP reflectors on the Nanostation as a test. It is linked up with a noise floor of -95 at about -85 to -90dB. Pretty horrible. But I get about 3Mbps throughput. I have another customer with a lot of foliage but not such a nightmare situation. 900MHz was linked at about -75ish, 3.65GHz is linked in the low 80s (-82 to -85ish). This is without a reflector, just a straight NSM365. Customer gets about 5Mbps x 1.5Mbps. I don't think it is great at dense penetration but we've seen it work OK with a low noise floor in areas that were previously required to be 900MHz. On 6/22/2011 10:27 AM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: How does the Ubnt 3.65 perform where going thru light foliage perhaps only one or two trees? What kind of throughput? We are thinking of switching some of our 2.4 over to 3.65 because of interference issues. Thanks Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET http://CSWEB.NET http://CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 tel:%28918%29%20235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e
