Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile users
Having written a commercial piece of software similar to RM back in the 90's, I can tell you that what Roger does amazes me. My product sold to cellular companies in the 90's for $18,000.00 per copy! Other competitors were selling their software for $30,000 per seat per YEAR! The fact that he gives this stuff away is unbelievable. So the next time you use RM casually, think about that retail price of similar tools and see if it isn't worth coughing up a little cash. I'm surprised he hasn't published both a free edition and a commercial edition with a few more bells and whistles. Maybe it's time? Cameron On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Agreed. I have cross posted this to the Motorola List as well. Come on guys, how many of you have used this valuable free program!? The man needs our help! Regards, Chuck On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.netwrote: For those of you that use Radio Mobile now would be a great time to donate if you haven’t sent your donation yet this year. Roger got laid off from his job but still continues to update and improve Radio Mobile. I think a little help from the WISP community would be a great gesture for someone that has worked so hard to bring us a valuable free program. ** ** There is a donate button on his website. http://www.cplus.org/rmw/english1.html ** ** ** ** Jim Patient Link Technologies, Inc. 314-735-0270 www.linktechs.net ** ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ image001.png WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile users
At 6/21/2011 09:53 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: Having written a commercial piece of software similar to RM back in the 90's, I can tell you that what Roger does amazes me. My product sold to cellular companies in the 90's for $18,000.00 per copy! Other competitors were selling their software for $30,000 per seat per YEAR! The fact that he gives this stuff away is unbelievable. So the next time you use RM casually, think about that retail price of similar tools and see if it isn't worth coughing up a little cash. I'm surprised he hasn't published both a free edition and a commercial edition with a few more bells and whistles. Maybe it's time? Since he no longer has the constraints of his now-former employer, perhaps it is... Cameron On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Chuck Hogg mailto:ch...@shelbybb.comch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Agreed. I have cross posted this to the Motorola List as well. Come on guys, how many of you have used this valuable free program!? The man needs our help! Regards, Chuck On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Jim Patient mailto:jpati...@linktechs.netjpati...@linktechs.net wrote: For those of you that use Radio Mobile now would be a great time to donate if you haven't sent your donation yet this year. Roger got laid off from his job but still continues to update and improve Radio Mobile. I think a little help from the WISP community would be a great gesture for someone that has worked so hard to bring us a valuable free program. There is a donate button on his website. http://www.cplus.org/rmw/english1.htmlhttp://www.cplus.org/rmw/english1.html -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile users
Jim Patient wrote: For those of you that use Radio Mobile now would be a great time to donate... Done. Good call. Bob WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile users
Agreed. I have cross posted this to the Motorola List as well. Come on guys, how many of you have used this valuable free program!? The man needs our help! Regards, Chuck On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net wrote: For those of you that use Radio Mobile now would be a great time to donate if you haven’t sent your donation yet this year. Roger got laid off from his job but still continues to update and improve Radio Mobile. I think a little help from the WISP community would be a great gesture for someone that has worked so hard to bring us a valuable free program. ** ** There is a donate button on his website. http://www.cplus.org/rmw/english1.html ** ** ** ** Jim Patient Link Technologies, Inc. 314-735-0270 www.linktechs.net ** ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ image001.png WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile reload
c:\windows\system32 - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson To: motor...@afmug.com ; WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 6:37 PM Subject: [WISPA] Radio Mobile reload Had to reload Radio Mobile. Keeps complaing that it can't find rmwdlx32.DLL Where is it supposed to go? -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile reload
At 9/14/2010 07:37 PM, you wrote: Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=_000_23DADC444ADCA14F88BD510F7E6BAA2B66D67519AEVMBX116ihoste_ Had to reload Radio Mobile. Keeps complaing that it can't find rmwdlx32.DLL Where is it supposed to go? In the program files\radio mobile directory, with the executable. The latest one seems to be from January, though I'm sure it's included in the current download (I'm up to 10.7.6). -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile reload
/home/breadstick/.wine/drive_c/RadioMobile/ That file should have been in the same zip (rmw1079eng.zip) as rmwemg.exe On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Had to reload Radio Mobile. Keeps complaing that it can’t find rmwdlx32.DLL Where is it supposed to go? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
www.fcc.gov Click on search Click on FCC ID # Search Enter in appropriate information BAM - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:01 PM To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I went to the FCC website and typed swx-ps2 into the search box and got no results. Must be it's not that easy. Can I get a little more direction on how to find something there? Explain it in simple terms (pretend you are describing it to someone like Marlon) *ducking*. Brian e...@wisp-router.com wrote: That is just pointers to regulation text. You need to look in the mfg's datasheet for antenna patterns. If that is not available from the manufacturer sometime you can find that in the FCC approval application filing documents available on the FCC id search database. Ubiquiti's FCC id is swx. Complete FCC id for say their XR2 card is SWX-XR2. The Powerstation2 is SWX-PS2 (same for NS2 and Loco2 actually since its a lower gain antenna there for approved for use by manufacturer choice as discussed on the list recently). /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:55:45 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days. I need to make my antenna patterns. I use ubiquiti powerstations and need to find the info on the antenna. How do I look up that info on the fcc website? FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from the data sheet. Will that work? Brian Mike Hammett wrote: Yeah, lot lower risk that way. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Brad Belton" b...@belwave.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ha...pretty funny. I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take PayPal. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you. I HATE paypal I had to create an account in order to send this. I don't even buy things from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your helping me Anyway, what's next? thanks, marlon 509.988.0260 - Original Message - From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain data as needed. - Open RM - Options - Internet - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending your region at the end ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/ To determine your region: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg Check ZIP So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/ Let me know when you have this set up. As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it to jrichard...@aircloud.com. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: "Mark McElvy" mmce...@accubak.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" j
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
Doesn't Ubuiquiti post the pattern on their site? Most of the antenna companies do. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days. I need to make my antenna patterns. I use ubiquiti powerstations and need to find the info on the antenna. How do I look up that info on the fcc website? FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from the data sheet. Will that work? Brian Mike Hammett wrote: Yeah, lot lower risk that way. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ha...pretty funny. I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take PayPal. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you. I HATE paypal I had to create an account in order to send this. I don't even buy things from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your helping me Anyway, what's next? thanks, marlon 509.988.0260 - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain data as needed. - Open RM - Options - Internet - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending your region at the end ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/ To determine your region: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg Check ZIP So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/ Let me know when you have this set up. As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it to jrichard...@aircloud.com. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
That is just pointers to regulation text. You need to look in the mfg's datasheet for antenna patterns. If that is not available from the manufacturer sometime you can find that in the FCC approval application filing documents available on the FCC id search database. Ubiquiti's FCC id is swx. Complete FCC id for say their XR2 card is SWX-XR2. The Powerstation2 is SWX-PS2 (same for NS2 and Loco2 actually since its a lower gain antenna there for approved for use by manufacturer choice as discussed on the list recently). /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:55:45 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
It's on the data sheet, but not real easy to read. I only wanted to "guess" so much at all the numbers. I thought there might be a better pattern of info on the fcc site. Brian Scott Reed wrote: Doesn't Ubuiquiti post the pattern on their site? Most of the antenna companies do. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days. I need to make my antenna patterns. I use ubiquiti powerstations and need to find the info on the antenna. How do I look up that info on the fcc website? FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from the data sheet. Will that work? Brian Mike Hammett wrote: Yeah, lot lower risk that way. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Brad Belton" b...@belwave.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ha...pretty funny. I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take PayPal. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you. I HATE paypal I had to create an account in order to send this. I don't even buy things from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your helping me Anyway, what's next? thanks, marlon 509.988.0260 - Original Message - From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain data as needed. - Open RM - Options - Internet - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending your region at the end ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/ To determine your region: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg Check ZIP So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/ Let me know when you have this set up. As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it to jrichard...@aircloud.com. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: "Mark McElvy" mmce...@accubak.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Ins
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
I went to the FCC website and typed swx-ps2 into the search box and got no results. Must be it's not that easy. Can I get a little more direction on how to find something there? Explain it in simple terms (pretend you are describing it to someone like Marlon) *ducking*. Brian e...@wisp-router.com wrote: That is just pointers to regulation text. You need to look in the mfg's datasheet for antenna patterns. If that is not available from the manufacturer sometime you can find that in the FCC approval application filing documents available on the FCC id search database. Ubiquiti's FCC id is swx. Complete FCC id for say their XR2 card is SWX-XR2. The Powerstation2 is SWX-PS2 (same for NS2 and Loco2 actually since its a lower gain antenna there for approved for use by manufacturer choice as discussed on the list recently). /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:55:45 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
FYI...If your using RadioMobile as a path calculator for PtP links, the antenna pattern is irrelevant. Using an omni antenna for both TX and RX will give you accurate numbers. -Eric Brian Rohrbacher wrote: So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days. I need to make my antenna patterns. I use ubiquiti powerstations and need to find the info on the antenna. How do I look up that info on the fcc website? FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from the data sheet. Will that work? Brian Mike Hammett wrote: Yeah, lot lower risk that way. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ha...pretty funny. I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take PayPal. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you. I HATE paypal I had to create an account in order to send this. I don't even buy things from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your helping me Anyway, what's next? thanks, marlon 509.988.0260 - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain data as needed. - Open RM - Options - Internet - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending your region at the end ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/ To determine your region: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg Check ZIP So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/ Let me know when you have this set up. As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it to jrichard...@aircloud.com. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks
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I'm trying to figure out coverage around access points. Eric Muehleisen wrote: FYI...If your using RadioMobile as a path calculator for PtP links, the antenna pattern is irrelevant. Using an omni antenna for both TX and RX will give you accurate numbers. -Eric Brian Rohrbacher wrote: So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days. I need to make my antenna patterns. I use ubiquiti powerstations and need to find the info on the antenna. How do I look up that info on the fcc website? FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from the data sheet. Will that work? Brian Mike Hammett wrote: Yeah, lot lower risk that way. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Brad Belton" b...@belwave.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ha...pretty funny. I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take PayPal. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you. I HATE paypal I had to create an account in order to send this. I don't even buy things from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your helping me Anyway, what's next? thanks, marlon 509.988.0260 - Original Message - From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain data as needed. - Open RM - Options - Internet - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending your region at the end ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/ To determine your region: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg Check ZIP So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/ Let me know when you have this set up. As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it to jrichard...@aircloud.com. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: "Mark McElvy" mmce...@accubak.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Pl
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Brian, Go to the Radio Mobile group on yahoo. There you can search the archives and or files sections. The archives will explain how to make your own antenna file if you can find a suitable one for your use. For example if you are trying to create a 60 degree antenna pattern you could use a similar one in the files section. The laws of physics dictate that the pattern won't be that much different from one manufacturer to the other. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'm trying to figure out coverage around access points. Eric Muehleisen wrote: FYI...If your using RadioMobile as a path calculator for PtP links, the antenna pattern is irrelevant. Using an omni antenna for both TX and RX will give you accurate numbers. -Eric Brian Rohrbacher wrote: So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days. I need to make my antenna patterns. I use ubiquiti powerstations and need to find the info on the antenna. How do I look up that info on the fcc website? FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from the data sheet. Will that work? Brian Mike Hammett wrote: Yeah, lot lower risk that way. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ha...pretty funny. I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take PayPal. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you. I HATE paypal I had to create an account in order to send this. I don't even buy things from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your helping me Anyway, what's next? thanks, marlon 509.988.0260 - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain data as needed. - Open RM - Options - Internet - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending your region at the end ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/ To determine your region: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg Check ZIP So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/ Let me know when you have this set up. As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it to jrichard...@aircloud.com. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public
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Besides 60deg is same on all antennas since that is to denote where your 3dB of max gain on the antenna. How much signal you lose outside will differ from antenna to antenna and the size of the side lobes. But the most interesting portion is what you have inside the 60deg and there all antennas is pretty much identical. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 17:03:48 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Brian, Go to the Radio Mobile group on yahoo. There you can search the archives and or files sections. The archives will explain how to make your own antenna file if you can find a suitable one for your use. For example if you are trying to create a 60 degree antenna pattern you could use a similar one in the files section. The laws of physics dictate that the pattern won't be that much different from one manufacturer to the other. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'm trying to figure out coverage around access points. Eric Muehleisen wrote: FYI...If your using RadioMobile as a path calculator for PtP links, the antenna pattern is irrelevant. Using an omni antenna for both TX and RX will give you accurate numbers. -Eric Brian Rohrbacher wrote: So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days. I need to make my antenna patterns. I use ubiquiti powerstations and need to find the info on the antenna. How do I look up that info on the fcc website? FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from the data sheet. Will that work? Brian Mike Hammett wrote: Yeah, lot lower risk that way. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ha...pretty funny. I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take PayPal. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you. I HATE paypal I had to create an account in order to send this. I don't even buy things from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your helping me Anyway, what's next? thanks, marlon 509.988.0260 - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain data as needed. - Open RM - Options - Internet - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending your region at the end ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/ To determine your region: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg Check ZIP So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/ Let me know when you have this set up. As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it to jrichard...@aircloud.com. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc
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My experience with antenna patterns has been that they are not accurate in all distances. It's either that or I don't understand them. To give you a couple examples. I have a 900MHz yagi, that has a miraculous connection @ 90* of the center 1 mile out. I was surprised that I even got a signal and to my amazement there it was. I've seen this close up with rootennas that I use to cover a small swath of an area for the extra power boost and to keep the noise level down outside of the intended coverage area. You get close and it's almost omni like. I have hot customers off the back side. I suppose that is the difference between a high quality antenna and cheap ones. And I bet when I get a few miles out the pattern is very accurate. Brian Webster wrote: Brian, Go to the Radio Mobile group on yahoo. There you can search the archives and or files sections. The archives will explain how to make your own antenna file if you can find a suitable one for your use. For example if you are trying to create a 60 degree antenna pattern you could use a similar one in the files section. The laws of physics dictate that the pattern won't be that much different from one manufacturer to the other. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'm trying to figure out coverage around access points. Eric Muehleisen wrote: FYI...If your using RadioMobile as a path calculator for PtP links, the antenna pattern is irrelevant. Using an omni antenna for both TX and RX will give you accurate numbers. -Eric Brian Rohrbacher wrote: So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days. I need to make my antenna patterns. I use ubiquiti powerstations and need to find the info on the antenna. How do I look up that info on the fcc website? FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from the data sheet. Will that work? Brian Mike Hammett wrote: Yeah, lot lower risk that way. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ha...pretty funny. I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take PayPal. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you. I HATE paypal I had to create an account in order to send this. I don't even buy things from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your helping me Anyway, what's next? thanks, marlon 509.988.0260 - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain data as needed. - Open RM - Options - Internet - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending your region at the end ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/ To determine your region: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg Check ZIP So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/ Let me know when you have this set up. As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it to jrichard...@aircloud.com. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun
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Heya George, Take the time to go through this and really check out the pictures. http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.htm I tried to find the original page that I got the 3d pics from but the page is gone. There are some that do a really good job of showing why this is what you see. Take a look at how much energy goes out the back of some of the plots that are on there. marlon - Original Message - From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile My experience with antenna patterns has been that they are not accurate in all distances. It's either that or I don't understand them. To give you a couple examples. I have a 900MHz yagi, that has a miraculous connection @ 90* of the center 1 mile out. I was surprised that I even got a signal and to my amazement there it was. I've seen this close up with rootennas that I use to cover a small swath of an area for the extra power boost and to keep the noise level down outside of the intended coverage area. You get close and it's almost omni like. I have hot customers off the back side. I suppose that is the difference between a high quality antenna and cheap ones. And I bet when I get a few miles out the pattern is very accurate. Brian Webster wrote: Brian, Go to the Radio Mobile group on yahoo. There you can search the archives and or files sections. The archives will explain how to make your own antenna file if you can find a suitable one for your use. For example if you are trying to create a 60 degree antenna pattern you could use a similar one in the files section. The laws of physics dictate that the pattern won't be that much different from one manufacturer to the other. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'm trying to figure out coverage around access points. Eric Muehleisen wrote: FYI...If your using RadioMobile as a path calculator for PtP links, the antenna pattern is irrelevant. Using an omni antenna for both TX and RX will give you accurate numbers. -Eric Brian Rohrbacher wrote: So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days. I need to make my antenna patterns. I use ubiquiti powerstations and need to find the info on the antenna. How do I look up that info on the fcc website? FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from the data sheet. Will that work? Brian Mike Hammett wrote: Yeah, lot lower risk that way. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ha...pretty funny. I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take PayPal. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you. I HATE paypal I had to create an account in order to send this. I don't even buy things from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your helping me Anyway, what's next? thanks, marlon 509.988.0260 - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain data as needed. - Open RM - Options - Internet - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending your region at the end ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/ To determine your region: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg Check ZIP So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/ Let me know when you have this set up. As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it to jrichard...@aircloud.com. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers
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Yes the front to back ratio is probably the most difference you will see in antenna patterns from manufacturer to manufacturer. Since they can't cheat the laws of physics and the power they get in the forward direction of a certain beam width antenna, they can spend the money on construction and design features to minimize the emissions for the rest of the pattern and that includes the signal off the back. You can build radio mobile antenna patterns with a spreadsheet located in the yahoo groups file section. It's not to hard to do. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: George Rogato [mailto:wi...@oregonfast.net] Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 8:01 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile My experience with antenna patterns has been that they are not accurate in all distances. It's either that or I don't understand them. To give you a couple examples. I have a 900MHz yagi, that has a miraculous connection @ 90* of the center 1 mile out. I was surprised that I even got a signal and to my amazement there it was. I've seen this close up with rootennas that I use to cover a small swath of an area for the extra power boost and to keep the noise level down outside of the intended coverage area. You get close and it's almost omni like. I have hot customers off the back side. I suppose that is the difference between a high quality antenna and cheap ones. And I bet when I get a few miles out the pattern is very accurate. Brian Webster wrote: Brian, Go to the Radio Mobile group on yahoo. There you can search the archives and or files sections. The archives will explain how to make your own antenna file if you can find a suitable one for your use. For example if you are trying to create a 60 degree antenna pattern you could use a similar one in the files section. The laws of physics dictate that the pattern won't be that much different from one manufacturer to the other. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'm trying to figure out coverage around access points. Eric Muehleisen wrote: FYI...If your using RadioMobile as a path calculator for PtP links, the antenna pattern is irrelevant. Using an omni antenna for both TX and RX will give you accurate numbers. -Eric Brian Rohrbacher wrote: So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days. I need to make my antenna patterns. I use ubiquiti powerstations and need to find the info on the antenna. How do I look up that info on the fcc website? FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from the data sheet. Will that work? Brian Mike Hammett wrote: Yeah, lot lower risk that way. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ha...pretty funny. I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take PayPal. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you. I HATE paypal I had to create an account in order to send this. I don't even buy things from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your helping me Anyway, what's next? thanks, marlon 509.988.0260 - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain data as needed. - Open RM - Options - Internet - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending your region at the end ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/ To determine your region: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg Check ZIP So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/ Let me know when you have this set up. As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it to jrichard...@aircloud.com. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio
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Keep in mind antennas are not digital but analog. You can get signal outside the pattern. Also most of the patterns are computer designed and is close to what real world but not perfect. Sometimes your sidelobes are bigger then what datasheet shows and sometimes you have a slightly defect antenna that is throwing signals more in a unexpected direction. Also environment can help out to get unexpected result so with a reflector on the side of an antenna you could get better then expected signals on the sides of the antenna where you would expect less or nothing. Most important to keep in mind with antennas and their signal patterns is that they are analog. Can compare to a flash light in a dark room. You even have slight illumination right behind you and more on the sides. How much depends on the quality of the reflector and what material it being shone on. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:00:46 To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile My experience with antenna patterns has been that they are not accurate in all distances. It's either that or I don't understand them. To give you a couple examples. I have a 900MHz yagi, that has a miraculous connection @ 90* of the center 1 mile out. I was surprised that I even got a signal and to my amazement there it was. I've seen this close up with rootennas that I use to cover a small swath of an area for the extra power boost and to keep the noise level down outside of the intended coverage area. You get close and it's almost omni like. I have hot customers off the back side. I suppose that is the difference between a high quality antenna and cheap ones. And I bet when I get a few miles out the pattern is very accurate. Brian Webster wrote: Brian, Go to the Radio Mobile group on yahoo. There you can search the archives and or files sections. The archives will explain how to make your own antenna file if you can find a suitable one for your use. For example if you are trying to create a 60 degree antenna pattern you could use a similar one in the files section. The laws of physics dictate that the pattern won't be that much different from one manufacturer to the other. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'm trying to figure out coverage around access points. Eric Muehleisen wrote: FYI...If your using RadioMobile as a path calculator for PtP links, the antenna pattern is irrelevant. Using an omni antenna for both TX and RX will give you accurate numbers. -Eric Brian Rohrbacher wrote: So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days. I need to make my antenna patterns. I use ubiquiti powerstations and need to find the info on the antenna. How do I look up that info on the fcc website? FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from the data sheet. Will that work? Brian Mike Hammett wrote: Yeah, lot lower risk that way. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ha...pretty funny. I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take PayPal. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you. I HATE paypal I had to create an account in order to send this. I don't even buy things from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your helping me Anyway, what's next? thanks, marlon 509.988.0260 - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain data as needed. - Open RM - Options - Internet - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending your region at the end ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/ To determine your region: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg Check ZIP So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/ Let me know when you have this set up
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Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you. I HATE paypal I had to create an account in order to send this. I don't even buy things from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your helping me Anyway, what's next? thanks, marlon 509.988.0260 - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain data as needed. - Open RM - Options - Internet - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending your region at the end ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/ To determine your region: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg Check ZIP So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/ Let me know when you have this set up. As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it to jrichard...@aircloud.com. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
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Ha...pretty funny. I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take PayPal. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you. I HATE paypal I had to create an account in order to send this. I don't even buy things from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your helping me Anyway, what's next? thanks, marlon 509.988.0260 - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain data as needed. - Open RM - Options - Internet - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending your region at the end ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/ To determine your region: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg Check ZIP So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/ Let me know when you have this set up. As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it to jrichard...@aircloud.com. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
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Marlon's stuck in 1995. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you. I HATE paypal I had to create an account in order to send this. I don't even buy things from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your helping me Anyway, what's next? thanks, marlon 509.988.0260 - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain data as needed. - Open RM - Options - Internet - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending your region at the end ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/ To determine your region: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg Check ZIP So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/ Let me know when you have this set up. As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it to jrichard...@aircloud.com. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
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Yeah, lot lower risk that way. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ha...pretty funny. I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take PayPal. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you. I HATE paypal I had to create an account in order to send this. I don't even buy things from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your helping me Anyway, what's next? thanks, marlon 509.988.0260 - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain data as needed. - Open RM - Options - Internet - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending your region at the end ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/ To determine your region: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg Check ZIP So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/ Let me know when you have this set up. As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it to jrichard...@aircloud.com. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started
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Marlon, Here's the simplest how-to for radio mobile that i know of http://www.dslreports.com/faq/14302 Ed On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 21:20:08 -0800 Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Um, can I pick a location, input some information about my antenna at that area and create a printable map? If I can't do that I've certainly picked the wrong program for what I want to do. I could have sworn that I'd seen coverage maps that were done with rm though. Do you have a suggestion for a product that would do a better job of what I'm trying to do? The only other one I know of was the one that wpcs used to have, but it was something like $50k. There was one that EC used to sell coverage maps from, but I don't remember who made them. Kingston or something like that? Each map was in the thousands as I recall. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Oh, and by the way, Radio Mobile is not a mapping program, it just happens to use maps to display the engineering results it has the ability to calculate. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List
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I made some notes when I first started using RM (attached). RM gives great results once you get the hang of it but for quick dirty just use Delorme Topo. -RickG On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: OK, I have that in there. Nothing happened. Just send WHAT? An email? What's it supposed to say? I'm probably the only guy that that's NEVER used and ATM too. I don't have a PIN number or anything. If I'm gonna need cash I just go to the bank and get some. How hard is that? Plus I get to talk to the cute gals there. People are s much nicer to deal with that machines. Well, usually. grin laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain data as needed. - Open RM - Options - Internet - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending your region at the end ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/ To determine your region: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg Check ZIP So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/ Let me know when you have this set up. As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it to jrichard...@aircloud.com. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me
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I've been using Delorme Topo for years. you have to know your trees, but it works fine to see if a link is possable or not RickG wrote: I made some notes when I first started using RM (attached). RM gives great results once you get the hang of it but for quick dirty just use Delorme Topo. -RickG On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: OK, I have that in there. Nothing happened. Just send WHAT? An email? What's it supposed to say? I'm probably the only guy that that's NEVER used and ATM too. I don't have a PIN number or anything. If I'm gonna need cash I just go to the bank and get some. How hard is that? Plus I get to talk to the cute gals there. People are s much nicer to deal with that machines. Well, usually. grin laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain data as needed. - Open RM - Options - Internet - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending your region at the end ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/ To determine your region: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg Check ZIP So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/ Let me know when you have this set up. As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it to jrichard...@aircloud.com. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: "Mark McElvy" mmce...@accubak.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,
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Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Marlon, I've also had problems getting started with Radio Mobile. I haven't tried it yet, but Snowcrash on the StarOS forums suggested the tutorial at this site. http://www.g3tvu.co.uk/Quick_Start.htm It looks promising. Maybe better printed out on a black white printer :-) -John On Mar 3, 2009, at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
I use RM a lot. I think you might find the tutorial much better than talking to someone. It goes at your speed, when you want and does a good job of giving you the basics and then what else it can do. And, as the saying goes, a picture is worth 1000 words. He shows you what you should see so you know you did the right thing. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.6/1981 - Release Date: 03/03/09 07:25:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
Get your SRTM data from here... ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version1/United_States_1arcsec/1arcsec/ -Eric Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
roflmao You guys really do give me FAR too much credit here! How the heck do I figure out which of those I need? Or do I need ALL of them? thanks marlon - Original Message - From: Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Get your SRTM data from here... ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version1/United_States_1arcsec/1arcsec/ -Eric Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain data as needed. - Open RM - Options - Internet - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending your region at the end ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/ To determine your region: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg Check ZIP So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/ Let me know when you have this set up. As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it to jrichard...@aircloud.com. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
I think Marlon is going to get his tin foil hat out before he uses Paypal. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:42 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain data as needed. - Open RM - Options - Internet - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending your region at the end ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/ To determine your region: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg Check ZIP So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/ Let me know when you have this set up. As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it to jrichard...@aircloud.com. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
OK, I have that in there. Nothing happened. Just send WHAT? An email? What's it supposed to say? I'm probably the only guy that that's NEVER used and ATM too. I don't have a PIN number or anything. If I'm gonna need cash I just go to the bank and get some. How hard is that? Plus I get to talk to the cute gals there. People are s much nicer to deal with that machines. Well, usually. grin laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain data as needed. - Open RM - Options - Internet - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending your region at the end ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/ To determine your region: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg Check ZIP So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/ Let me know when you have this set up. As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it to jrichard...@aircloud.com. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
Marlon, Roger Coude the software author (a personal friend of mine) is not a programmer, he is an engineer who built this to solve his problems. He was gracious enough years ago to release this as freeware and has worked very hard at improving it. Commercial RF tools (of which I have a few) cost in the 10's to hundreds of thousands of dollars. I sent you links to two very good tutorials on how to use this program, step by step instructions in fact. You not wanting to read the directions does not make someone a lazy programmer or a bad program. RF Engineering is not something you can learn by paying someone $100 for some phone tech support. Radio Mobile is a great program but it is not easy and it will take a lot of time for you to learn how to work it to the full potential and to get proper results. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
Oh, and by the way, Radio Mobile is not a mapping program, it just happens to use maps to display the engineering results it has the ability to calculate. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
Just for what it's worth, I have donated several hundred dollars to the Radio Mobile author over the past few years. Everyone else that uses it should donate as well... Travis Microserv Brian Webster wrote: Marlon, Roger Coude the software author (a personal friend of mine) is not a programmer, he is an engineer who built this to solve his problems. He was gracious enough years ago to release this as freeware and has worked very hard at improving it. Commercial RF tools (of which I have a few) cost in the 10's to hundreds of thousands of dollars. I sent you links to two very good tutorials on how to use this program, step by step instructions in fact. You not wanting to read the directions does not make someone a lazy programmer or a bad program. RF Engineering is not something you can learn by paying someone $100 for some phone tech support. Radio Mobile is a great program but it is not easy and it will take a lot of time for you to learn how to work it to the full potential and to get proper results. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: "Mark McElvy" mmce...@accubak.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
I get all that Brian. And, naturally you are right. I am sure that Roger is a great guy, if I ever get the chance to meet him I'd love to buy him a beer, on behalf of everyone that gets to take advantage of his hard work. I've give away more than a little of my own time and knowledge, with no expectation of a thank you let alone payment. I have the utmost respect for anyone that would do what he's done. Since this is freeware, maybe someone would like to make it at least as easy as, oh I duno, maybe Quickbooks? Not the easiest program in the world, but at least the average person can get it up and running without having to study a manual first. But I digress, I've not spent more time chasing my tail around an email thread than I'd have spent on the phone with someone that could have walked me through the setup and basic functions of this program. I knew that could happen. But that's the way it goes. Sometimes people think that everyone knows what they know. Like me telling a customer to right click. Sometimes they don't know what a right click is. Just like I don't know what I'm supposed to do with a paypal email address thingy. I'm just that not far along on the subject to even get started on my own. Many here have told of how hard it is to master RM. I've heard that over and over for years. Believe me, if I had 1 or 3 sites to look at I'd just have hired someone to deal with the map for me. I have 10s of sites to look at though. Across a large area. I have to first map out the 30+ sites I have, then fill in the holes and extend it by another 30 or so towers. I don't think I can get that done for even $1000 let alone a few hundred consulting dollars I'm more than happy to give to someone. What is it that Clint Eastood said? A man's gotta know his limitations. I know mine, and sitting down to read up on how to even get started with a software package isn't one of my strong suits! grin laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Marlon, Roger Coude the software author (a personal friend of mine) is not a programmer, he is an engineer who built this to solve his problems. He was gracious enough years ago to release this as freeware and has worked very hard at improving it. Commercial RF tools (of which I have a few) cost in the 10's to hundreds of thousands of dollars. I sent you links to two very good tutorials on how to use this program, step by step instructions in fact. You not wanting to read the directions does not make someone a lazy programmer or a bad program. RF Engineering is not something you can learn by paying someone $100 for some phone tech support. Radio Mobile is a great program but it is not easy and it will take a lot of time for you to learn how to work it to the full potential and to get proper results. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP
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Um, can I pick a location, input some information about my antenna at that area and create a printable map? If I can't do that I've certainly picked the wrong program for what I want to do. I could have sworn that I'd seen coverage maps that were done with rm though. Do you have a suggestion for a product that would do a better job of what I'm trying to do? The only other one I know of was the one that wpcs used to have, but it was something like $50k. There was one that EC used to sell coverage maps from, but I don't remember who made them. Kingston or something like that? Each map was in the thousands as I recall. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Oh, and by the way, Radio Mobile is not a mapping program, it just happens to use maps to display the engineering results it has the ability to calculate. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
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Good idea. I'll try to remember to do that! marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com ; WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Just for what it's worth, I have donated several hundred dollars to the Radio Mobile author over the past few years. Everyone else that uses it should donate as well... Travis Microserv Brian Webster wrote: Marlon, Roger Coude the software author (a personal friend of mine) is not a programmer, he is an engineer who built this to solve his problems. He was gracious enough years ago to release this as freeware and has worked very hard at improving it. Commercial RF tools (of which I have a few) cost in the 10's to hundreds of thousands of dollars. I sent you links to two very good tutorials on how to use this program, step by step instructions in fact. You not wanting to read the directions does not make someone a lazy programmer or a bad program. RF Engineering is not something you can learn by paying someone $100 for some phone tech support. Radio Mobile is a great program but it is not easy and it will take a lot of time for you to learn how to work it to the full potential and to get proper results. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
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So then should I be engineering my customer links to .6 Fresnel instead of the 1 that I've been trying to achieve? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 8:26 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Radio Mobile Mike, As mentioned by another, try adjusting the height of one end or the other to increase signal level. As Mac will tell you, higher on a site is not always better. If you can engineer a path to obstruct as much of even number Fresnel zones as possible it will help your signal level. Even and odd number Fresnel zones cancel each other out. Using an obstruction to cover up as many even number zones as possible gives some gain. This is why you hear people say that you want to design a microwave backhaul with a .6 Fresnel zone clearance. The danger in doing that with Radio Mobile, is the level of detail in your terrain files. Radio Mobile is capable of using 10 meter resolution terrain data from the USGS Seamless data distribution site (the default that the program downloads from the internet is 30 meter), or if you want, Roger (the Radio Mobile author) can create the data in SRTM format to use in Radio Mobile http://www.lurodata.com/. While this gives excellent terrain data details, it still does not show your clutter (trees, buildings). Take a look at this site to see the differences in terrain data http://www.sector14.net/~curt/ned/ You can do some visualization of clutter data in Radio Mobile at 1 kilometer resolution for free. If you download this file http://www.geog.umd.edu/landcover/1km-map/UMD1km_L.zip you will have the world clutter data at 1 KM resolution. This file can then be overlaid in Radio Mobile as a map layer. It will not let you use it as part of a prediction, but you can get an idea of the type of land cover to expect for any given area. You can also use this file in conjunction with the RM Path program in Radio Mobile to insert the clutter in your path profile inspections. To do this you must first edit the landheight.dat file (using notepad) in your Radio Mobile main directory. The numbers in this file correspond to the color coded legend on a land cover map layer merge. Each value is in meters and would be changed to represent the average clutter heights for each clutter class in your area. Once this is complete you would then do a path profile in Radio Mobile. In that window do a file export to RMPath, chose the custom option and I like to use 1000 points in my export. This will save a file (name it whatever you want or just overwrite the default) and open the RM Path program window. In this path profile you will see the terrain cross section with the clutter data layered on top. The colors match what you would see as a merged layer on the map. At this point you will NOT have a new signal level calculated based on clutter absorption, but you will know what to expect for path blockages. You can also manually edit the test file that was exported to insert any know obstructions in your path. Keep in mind, this data is very general in that it paints a whole square kilometer with the same class of clutter. Its not the best in the world, but for free it gives you a lot more to look at before you do a truck roll. This used in conjunction with Google Earth is just one more tool a WISP can use. I have been in the wireless industry for 18 years (including Senior RF Engineering Manager at EarthLink). I currently have Planet, ICS Telecom by ATDI and Radio Mobile as RF prediction tools. While Radio Mobile does not do many of the advanced features I need to design PCS and Cellular networks, I will attest that given the same data to start with, I can do predictions that match or beat the expensive commercial tools when it comes to simple field strength plots (which is what you want for coverage maps and path studies). Where the commercial tools excel, is when I can get high resolution clutter and building data. Radio Mobile simply does not have these capabilities (although I work with the author on a regular basis to improve Radio Mobile). I would highly recommend each WISP get one person on their staff to become somewhat proficient in this software. It can save you a lot of aggravation. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 5:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile Right, the AP isn't directly at the client, but it says there's only 0.8 db of loss due to that. It says I lose 7.4 dB due to obstruction (when I have a 1.4 Fresnel zone) and 6.6 due to statistics. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Brian
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I would try to get between .6 and 1. If you expose the second zone then the phase canceling starts and reduces your signal level. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 9:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile So then should I be engineering my customer links to .6 Fresnel instead of the 1 that I've been trying to achieve? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 8:26 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Radio Mobile Mike, As mentioned by another, try adjusting the height of one end or the other to increase signal level. As Mac will tell you, higher on a site is not always better. If you can engineer a path to obstruct as much of even number Fresnel zones as possible it will help your signal level. Even and odd number Fresnel zones cancel each other out. Using an obstruction to cover up as many even number zones as possible gives some gain. This is why you hear people say that you want to design a microwave backhaul with a .6 Fresnel zone clearance. The danger in doing that with Radio Mobile, is the level of detail in your terrain files. Radio Mobile is capable of using 10 meter resolution terrain data from the USGS Seamless data distribution site (the default that the program downloads from the internet is 30 meter), or if you want, Roger (the Radio Mobile author) can create the data in SRTM format to use in Radio Mobile http://www.lurodata.com/. While this gives excellent terrain data details, it still does not show your clutter (trees, buildings). Take a look at this site to see the differences in terrain data http://www.sector14.net/~curt/ned/ You can do some visualization of clutter data in Radio Mobile at 1 kilometer resolution for free. If you download this file http://www.geog.umd.edu/landcover/1km-map/UMD1km_L.zip you will have the world clutter data at 1 KM resolution. This file can then be overlaid in Radio Mobile as a map layer. It will not let you use it as part of a prediction, but you can get an idea of the type of land cover to expect for any given area. You can also use this file in conjunction with the RM Path program in Radio Mobile to insert the clutter in your path profile inspections. To do this you must first edit the landheight.dat file (using notepad) in your Radio Mobile main directory. The numbers in this file correspond to the color coded legend on a land cover map layer merge. Each value is in meters and would be changed to represent the average clutter heights for each clutter class in your area. Once this is complete you would then do a path profile in Radio Mobile. In that window do a file export to RMPath, chose the custom option and I like to use 1000 points in my export. This will save a file (name it whatever you want or just overwrite the default) and open the RM Path program window. In this path profile you will see the terrain cross section with the clutter data layered on top. The colors match what you would see as a merged layer on the map. At this point you will NOT have a new signal level calculated based on clutter absorption, but you will know what to expect for path blockages. You can also manually edit the test file that was exported to insert any know obstructions in your path. Keep in mind, this data is very general in that it paints a whole square kilometer with the same class of clutter. Its not the best in the world, but for free it gives you a lot more to look at before you do a truck roll. This used in conjunction with Google Earth is just one more tool a WISP can use. I have been in the wireless industry for 18 years (including Senior RF Engineering Manager at EarthLink). I currently have Planet, ICS Telecom by ATDI and Radio Mobile as RF prediction tools. While Radio Mobile does not do many of the advanced features I need to design PCS and Cellular networks, I will attest that given the same data to start with, I can do predictions that match or beat the expensive commercial tools when it comes to simple field strength plots (which is what you want for coverage maps and path studies). Where the commercial tools excel, is when I can get high resolution clutter and building data. Radio Mobile simply does not have these capabilities (although I work with the author on a regular basis to improve Radio Mobile). I would highly recommend each WISP get one person on their staff to become somewhat proficient in this software. It can save you a lot of aggravation. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday
RE: [WISPA] Radio Mobile
Mike, As mentioned by another, try adjusting the height of one end or the other to increase signal level. As Mac will tell you, higher on a site is not always better. If you can engineer a path to obstruct as much of even number Fresnel zones as possible it will help your signal level. Even and odd number Fresnel zones cancel each other out. Using an obstruction to cover up as many even number zones as possible gives some gain. This is why you hear people say that you want to design a microwave backhaul with a .6 Fresnel zone clearance. The danger in doing that with Radio Mobile, is the level of detail in your terrain files. Radio Mobile is capable of using 10 meter resolution terrain data from the USGS Seamless data distribution site (the default that the program downloads from the internet is 30 meter), or if you want, Roger (the Radio Mobile author) can create the data in SRTM format to use in Radio Mobile http://www.lurodata.com/. While this gives excellent terrain data details, it still does not show your clutter (trees, buildings). Take a look at this site to see the differences in terrain data http://www.sector14.net/~curt/ned/ You can do some visualization of clutter data in Radio Mobile at 1 kilometer resolution for free. If you download this file http://www.geog.umd.edu/landcover/1km-map/UMD1km_L.zip you will have the world clutter data at 1 KM resolution. This file can then be overlaid in Radio Mobile as a map layer. It will not let you use it as part of a prediction, but you can get an idea of the type of land cover to expect for any given area. You can also use this file in conjunction with the RM Path program in Radio Mobile to insert the clutter in your path profile inspections. To do this you must first edit the landheight.dat file (using notepad) in your Radio Mobile main directory. The numbers in this file correspond to the color coded legend on a land cover map layer merge. Each value is in meters and would be changed to represent the average clutter heights for each clutter class in your area. Once this is complete you would then do a path profile in Radio Mobile. In that window do a file export to RMPath, chose the custom option and I like to use 1000 points in my export. This will save a file (name it whatever you want or just overwrite the default) and open the RM Path program window. In this path profile you will see the terrain cross section with the clutter data layered on top. The colors match what you would see as a merged layer on the map. At this point you will NOT have a new signal level calculated based on clutter absorption, but you will know what to expect for path blockages. You can also manually edit the test file that was exported to insert any know obstructions in your path. Keep in mind, this data is very general in that it paints a whole square kilometer with the same class of clutter. Its not the best in the world, but for free it gives you a lot more to look at before you do a truck roll. This used in conjunction with Google Earth is just one more tool a WISP can use. I have been in the wireless industry for 18 years (including Senior RF Engineering Manager at EarthLink). I currently have Planet, ICS Telecom by ATDI and Radio Mobile as RF prediction tools. While Radio Mobile does not do many of the advanced features I need to design PCS and Cellular networks, I will attest that given the same data to start with, I can do predictions that match or beat the expensive commercial tools when it comes to simple field strength plots (which is what you want for coverage maps and path studies). Where the commercial tools excel, is when I can get high resolution clutter and building data. Radio Mobile simply does not have these capabilities (although I work with the author on a regular basis to improve Radio Mobile). I would highly recommend each WISP get one person on their staff to become somewhat proficient in this software. It can save you a lot of aggravation. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 5:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile Right, the AP isn't directly at the client, but it says there's only 0.8 db of loss due to that. It says I lose 7.4 dB due to obstruction (when I have a 1.4 Fresnel zone) and 6.6 due to statistics. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:00 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Radio Mobile Radio Mobile is not doing a simple free space loss calculation. There will be a fade margin factored in based on the numbers you use for mode of variability. If you open the path profile window then do a view details you will get a text window
Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile
: Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile Right, the AP isn't directly at the client, but it says there's only 0.8 db of loss due to that. It says I lose 7.4 dB due to obstruction (when I have a 1.4 Fresnel zone) and 6.6 due to statistics. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:00 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Radio Mobile Radio Mobile is not doing a simple free space loss calculation. There will be a fade margin factored in based on the numbers you use for mode of variability. If you open the path profile window then do a view details you will get a text window that shows all the calculation details the program used to derive the numbers. That is the first place to start to look for the difference. The other thing you may be seeing is that if you don't have the antennas aimed directly at each other, in the calculation you will be getting the gain from something other than the strongest point in the pattern. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Radio Mobile How do I figure out how Radio Mobile arrives at it's signal level? On a 3 km link in 5 GHz, I'm off 15 - 20 db from Eje's power calculator. What the radio link window says is really close to the input numbers for Eje's calculator. Why they're different is that I actually used the right antenna files and hard fixed the AP at N, S, E, and W. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Radio Mobile
Matt, There are many things to consider with mapping data. SRTM and other terrain files all have their native map projection and datum. It takes someone strong in the GIS and mapping field to make sure these files get overlaid and used properly without shifting any one of the layers out of alignment with the other. I use various GIS tools to achieve these tasks. The USGS does provide good quality clutter data for free but it does require someone to find it and then get it in a format they can use and/or convert it to the proper projection and datum to match their existing data. So to answer your question, I prefer the free data the taxpayers paid for when available. I have also paid for very high resolution clutter data (1 to 2 meter resolution) but that gets expensive because that gets tediously created by hand and someone has to pay for that. Vendor to vendor does not seem to matter as much as converting it properly once obtained. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 9:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile I have found most people don't purchase clutter data even when using the commercial tools when used as part of a fixed wireless operation. They generally just put in an average height to use. This is what we do as well even though we purchased clutter data. Although, we aren't using commercial software; our application was written in-house. We weren't able to use the data because it didn't match up correctly with SRTM. The data vendor suggested buying ground data to match the clutter data, but we didn't want to pay for ground data when SRTM is free and good. In your experience, have you been able to get clutter data to match up with SRTM? If so, what resolution and what data vendor did you use? -Matt Brian Webster wrote: Mike, As mentioned by another, try adjusting the height of one end or the other to increase signal level. As Mac will tell you, higher on a site is not always better. If you can engineer a path to obstruct as much of even number Fresnel zones as possible it will help your signal level. Even and odd number Fresnel zones cancel each other out. Using an obstruction to cover up as many even number zones as possible gives some gain. This is why you hear people say that you want to design a microwave backhaul with a .6 Fresnel zone clearance. The danger in doing that with Radio Mobile, is the level of detail in your terrain files. Radio Mobile is capable of using 10 meter resolution terrain data from the USGS Seamless data distribution site (the default that the program downloads from the internet is 30 meter), or if you want, Roger (the Radio Mobile author) can create the data in SRTM format to use in Radio Mobile http://www.lurodata.com/. While this gives excellent terrain data details, it still does not show your clutter (trees, buildings). Take a look at this site to see the differences in terrain data http://www.sector14.net/~curt/ned/ You can do some visualization of clutter data in Radio Mobile at 1 kilometer resolution for free. If you download this file http://www.geog.umd.edu/landcover/1km-map/UMD1km_L.zip you will have the world clutter data at 1 KM resolution. This file can then be overlaid in Radio Mobile as a map layer. It will not let you use it as part of a prediction, but you can get an idea of the type of land cover to expect for any given area. You can also use this file in conjunction with the RM Path program in Radio Mobile to insert the clutter in your path profile inspections. To do this you must first edit the landheight.dat file (using notepad) in your Radio Mobile main directory. The numbers in this file correspond to the color coded legend on a land cover map layer merge. Each value is in meters and would be changed to represent the average clutter heights for each clutter class in your area. Once this is complete you would then do a path profile in Radio Mobile. In that window do a file export to RMPath, chose the custom option and I like to use 1000 points in my export. This will save a file (name it whatever you want or just overwrite the default) and open the RM Path program window. In this path profile you will see the terrain cross section with the clutter data layered on top. The colors match what you would see as a merged layer on the map. At this point you will NOT have a new signal level calculated based on clutter absorption, but you will know what to expect for path blockages. You can also manually edit the test file that was exported to insert any know obstructions in your path. Keep in mind, this data is very general in that it paints a whole square kilometer with the same class of clutter. Its not the best in the world, but for free it gives you a lot more to look at before you do
RE: [WISPA] Radio Mobile
Radio Mobile is not doing a simple free space loss calculation. There will be a fade margin factored in based on the numbers you use for mode of variability. If you open the path profile window then do a view details you will get a text window that shows all the calculation details the program used to derive the numbers. That is the first place to start to look for the difference. The other thing you may be seeing is that if you don't have the antennas aimed directly at each other, in the calculation you will be getting the gain from something other than the strongest point in the pattern. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Radio Mobile How do I figure out how Radio Mobile arrives at it's signal level? On a 3 km link in 5 GHz, I'm off 15 - 20 db from Eje's power calculator. What the radio link window says is really close to the input numbers for Eje's calculator. Why they're different is that I actually used the right antenna files and hard fixed the AP at N, S, E, and W. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile
And RM uses the terrain data to determine which Fresnal zones impact the signal. Raise or lower one antenna in 1 m increments and see the difference. Most of the other programs I have seen just use the distance, they show different values than does RM. Brian Webster wrote: Radio Mobile is not doing a simple free space loss calculation. There will be a fade margin factored in based on the numbers you use for mode of variability. If you open the path profile window then do a view details you will get a text window that shows all the calculation details the program used to derive the numbers. That is the first place to start to look for the difference. The other thing you may be seeing is that if you don't have the antennas aimed directly at each other, in the calculation you will be getting the gain from something other than the strongest point in the pattern. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Radio Mobile How do I figure out how Radio Mobile arrives at it's signal level? On a 3 km link in 5 GHz, I'm off 15 - 20 db from Eje's power calculator. What the radio link window says is really close to the input numbers for Eje's calculator. Why they're different is that I actually used the right antenna files and hard fixed the AP at N, S, E, and W. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Radio Mobile
Thanks for the info Brian! It has taken me all of 45 years to figure out when to listen, when to shut up and when to just shut up and listen. I appreciate (as I am sure anyone that struggles with getting RM setup) the fine advice and direction you give. From Louisiana: HAPPY NEW YEARS ALL!! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Radio Mobile Radio Mobile is not doing a simple free space loss calculation. There will be a fade margin factored in based on the numbers you use for mode of variability. If you open the path profile window then do a view details you will get a text window that shows all the calculation details the program used to derive the numbers. That is the first place to start to look for the difference. The other thing you may be seeing is that if you don't have the antennas aimed directly at each other, in the calculation you will be getting the gain from something other than the strongest point in the pattern. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Radio Mobile How do I figure out how Radio Mobile arrives at it's signal level? On a 3 km link in 5 GHz, I'm off 15 - 20 db from Eje's power calculator. What the radio link window says is really close to the input numbers for Eje's calculator. Why they're different is that I actually used the right antenna files and hard fixed the AP at N, S, E, and W. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile
Right, the AP isn't directly at the client, but it says there's only 0.8 db of loss due to that. It says I lose 7.4 dB due to obstruction (when I have a 1.4 Fresnel zone) and 6.6 due to statistics. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:00 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Radio Mobile Radio Mobile is not doing a simple free space loss calculation. There will be a fade margin factored in based on the numbers you use for mode of variability. If you open the path profile window then do a view details you will get a text window that shows all the calculation details the program used to derive the numbers. That is the first place to start to look for the difference. The other thing you may be seeing is that if you don't have the antennas aimed directly at each other, in the calculation you will be getting the gain from something other than the strongest point in the pattern. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Radio Mobile How do I figure out how Radio Mobile arrives at it's signal level? On a 3 km link in 5 GHz, I'm off 15 - 20 db from Eje's power calculator. What the radio link window says is really close to the input numbers for Eje's calculator. Why they're different is that I actually used the right antenna files and hard fixed the AP at N, S, E, and W. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile
Right, the AP isn't directly at the client, but it says there's only 0.8 db of loss due to that. It says I lose 7.4 dB due to obstruction (when I have a 1.4 Fresnel zone) and 6.6 due to statistics. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:00 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Radio Mobile Radio Mobile is not doing a simple free space loss calculation. There will be a fade margin factored in based on the numbers you use for mode of variability. If you open the path profile window then do a view details you will get a text window that shows all the calculation details the program used to derive the numbers. That is the first place to start to look for the difference. The other thing you may be seeing is that if you don't have the antennas aimed directly at each other, in the calculation you will be getting the gain from something other than the strongest point in the pattern. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Radio Mobile How do I figure out how Radio Mobile arrives at it's signal level? On a 3 km link in 5 GHz, I'm off 15 - 20 db from Eje's power calculator. What the radio link window says is really close to the input numbers for Eje's calculator. Why they're different is that I actually used the right antenna files and hard fixed the AP at N, S, E, and W. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
