Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi

[Hurt,Trenton W.]

Of the folks who are allowing users to do bonjour services over wifi.  Either 
thru native multicast , or the enhancements from the various wifi vendors. Has 
anyone noticed spectrum issues in dense classrooms?  I have a department who is 
proposing 12 screens with 12 apple tvs in room with 180 seats and I'm can't see 
how this can work given the crowded spectrum in large seat rooms.  Has anyone 
tried multiple apple tvs in the same room with multiple users mirroring 
different content simultaneously ?

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Informal Report From a new eduroam Environment

[Lee H Badman]

Given that this is our first semester broadcasting the eduroam at Syracuse 
University, I wanted to dig into how the new service was being used on campus. 
I really didn't expect much, but am already impressed.  In the last two weeks, 
we've seen logged in eduroamers from:

US
*   Cornell
*   Brandeis
*   George Washington U
*   U of Iowa
*   U of Maryland
*   Pitt
*   Tulane

Canada
*   Polytechnique Montreal
*   Ryerson University, Toronto

UK
*   U of Edinborough, Scotland
*   Loughborough U
*   University of London
*   Cambridge
*   St. Andrew
*   Bristol
*   City U of London

Europe
*   U de Poiters, France
*   Telecom-Bretagne, France
*   HDM-Stuttgart, Germany
*   KTH Royal Inst of Technology, Sweden
*   U Poiters, France
*   Vienna University of Tech
*   Uppsala U, Sweden
*   Utrecht U, NL
*   Stockholm School of Economics

(This equals around 100 unique clients- most we've seen concurrent is just 
under 40.)

Though just a spit in the bucket of our 20K concurrent daily WLAN client peak, 
the diversity of schools on the list is pretty thought-provoking.

-Lee Badman
Syracuse University




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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Informal Report From a new eduroam Environment

[mike . albano]

Thanks for sharing Lee, I've been on the fence myself re: deploying Eduroam.
Mike-The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU wrote: -

To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUFrom: Lee H Badman 
Sent by: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
Date: 01/15/2014 09:05AMSubject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Informal Report From a new eduroam Environment

Given that this is our first semester broadcasting the eduroam at Syracuse University, I wanted to dig into how the new service was being used on campus. I really didnt expect much, but am already impressed. In the last two weeks, weve seen logged in
eduroamers from:US
CornellBrandeisGeorge Washington UU of Iowa
U of MarylandPittTulane
Canada
Polytechnique MontrealRyerson University, Toronto
UK
U of Edinborough, ScotlandLoughborough UUniversity of London
CambridgeSt. AndrewBristolCity U of London
Europe
U de Poiters, FranceTelecom-Bretagne, FranceHDM-Stuttgart, Germany
KTH Royal Inst of Technology, SwedenU Poiters, France
Vienna University of TechUppsala U, SwedenUtrecht U, NL
Stockholm School of Economics(This equals around 100 unique clients- most weve seen concurrent is just under 40.) 
Though just a spit in the bucket of our 20K concurrent daily WLAN client peak, the diversity of schools on the list is pretty thought-provoking.
-Lee BadmanSyracuse University
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Informal Report From a new eduroam Environment

[Ian McDonald]

It might well have resulted in one less call for us too. This is why we use 
eduroam as our primary said, stops people trying to set it up  failing when 
they're already away.

Thanks

--
ian

Sent from my phone, please excuse brevity and misspelling.

From: Hanset, Philippe Cmailto:phan...@utk.edu
Sent: ‎15/‎01/‎2014 17:27
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Informal Report From a new eduroam Environment

Lee,

I have yet to encounter a WLAN admin that wasn't intrigued by the diversity of 
visitors when eduroam is enabled.
And this is the low season for eduroam at the moment!
Check the graph of the US top levels at https://www.eduroam.us/node/232

If I may ask, how many non eduroam visitors do you encounter on your WLAN per 
day?
You mentioned 40 from eduroam, I wonder if it is representative at all in term 
of visitors.

Thank you for sharing those stats.

Philippe
www.eduroam.ushttp://www.eduroam.us







(This equals around 100 unique clients- most we’ve seen concurrent is just 
under 40.)

Though just a spit in the bucket of our 20K concurrent daily WLAN client peak, 
the diversity of schools on the list is pretty thought-provoking.

-Lee Badman
Syracuse University



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RE: Informal Report From a new eduroam Environment

[Peter Jacobs]

They are 100 very happy students/researchers.  They were able to hit the ground 
running rather than wait for their departmental sponsor to figure out how to 
enable network access, create accounts, or whatever your internal requirements 
for visitors have been in the past.

Wait until you visit another country where data roaming rates typically make 
network access too expensive.  If you happen to be at a university - you are 
good to go.  I even used it while on vacation from a park bench (checking back 
on work email of course;-)Membership has its privileges!

Great stuff.

Peter


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UNB - Information Technology Services

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: January-15-14 1:06 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Informal Report From a new eduroam Environment

Given that this is our first semester broadcasting the eduroam at Syracuse 
University, I wanted to dig into how the new service was being used on campus. 
I really didn't expect much, but am already impressed.  In the last two weeks, 
we've seen logged in eduroamers from:

US
* Cornell
* Brandeis
* George Washington U
* U of Iowa
* U of Maryland
* Pitt
* Tulane

Canada
* Polytechnique Montreal
* Ryerson University, Toronto

UK
* U of Edinborough, Scotland
* Loughborough U
* University of London
* Cambridge
* St. Andrew
* Bristol
* City U of London

Europe
* U de Poiters, France
* Telecom-Bretagne, France
* HDM-Stuttgart, Germany
* KTH Royal Inst of Technology, Sweden
* U Poiters, France
* Vienna University of Tech
* Uppsala U, Sweden
* Utrecht U, NL
* Stockholm School of Economics

(This equals around 100 unique clients- most we've seen concurrent is just 
under 40.)

Though just a spit in the bucket of our 20K concurrent daily WLAN client peak, 
the diversity of schools on the list is pretty thought-provoking.

-Lee Badman
Syracuse University



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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Informal Report From a new eduroam Environment

[Hanset, Philippe C]

Lee,

I have yet to encounter a WLAN admin that wasn't intrigued by the diversity of 
visitors when eduroam is enabled.
And this is the low season for eduroam at the moment!
Check the graph of the US top levels at https://www.eduroam.us/node/232

If I may ask, how many non eduroam visitors do you encounter on your WLAN per 
day?
You mentioned 40 from eduroam, I wonder if it is representative at all in term 
of visitors.

Thank you for sharing those stats.

Philippe
www.eduroam.ushttp://www.eduroam.us







(This equals around 100 unique clients- most we’ve seen concurrent is just 
under 40.)

Though just a spit in the bucket of our 20K concurrent daily WLAN client peak, 
the diversity of schools on the list is pretty thought-provoking.

-Lee Badman
Syracuse University



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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi

[Coehoorn, Joel]

I think most of all, they wouldn't like the results even if the wireless
worked. I imagine instructors will at some point expect to be able to
mirror a single device to all twelve screens at once, so they all show the
same thing, and I don't believe that Apple's AirPlay will work that way.
It's my understanding that if they have 12 Apple TVs, they'll need to be
running 12 separate iPads/iPhones/Macs to take advantage of those screens.
If that's what they want to do, that's one thing... but somehow I don't see
it being used that way. It seems much more likely that what they really
want is one AppleTV connected to a redistributor that will show a single
instructor's iPad across all 12 screen with only one connection, or if you
have a good enough controller system, just those screens that the
instructor selects.

Now, about the wireless actually working... hahahaha, how cute. What you
could do is run a network drop for each AppleTV, and make sure the wired
network drop gets an address from your wireless range, or is exposed to
your wireless range via a bonjour gateway. That would at least take a lot
of the traffic out of the rf space.



  Joel Coehoorn
Director of Information Technology
York College, Nebraska
402.363.5603
jcoeho...@york.edu



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Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to
God, family, and society*



On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Hurt,Trenton W. trent.h...@louisville.edu
 wrote:

 Of the folks who are allowing users to do bonjour services over wifi.
  Either thru native multicast , or the enhancements from the various wifi
 vendors. Has anyone noticed spectrum issues in dense classrooms?  I have a
 department who is proposing 12 screens with 12 apple tvs in room with 180
 seats and I'm can't see how this can work given the crowded spectrum in
 large seat rooms.  Has anyone tried multiple apple tvs in the same room
 with multiple users mirroring different content simultaneously ?

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Informal Report From a new eduroam Environment

[Danny Eaton]

For what it's worth, we launched eduroam campus wide on January 6th ,
2014.  I've seen eduroam'ers from across the pond online from domains such
as:

 

tamu.edu

ad.bangor.ac.uk

cornell.edu

cam.ac.uk

Ic.ac.uk

eur.nl

prf.cuni.cz

kth.se

polsl.pl

tulane.edu

ugent.be

tudelft.nl

csic.es

polimi.it

bristol.ac.uk

cam.ac.uk

ubc.ca

london.edu

uiowa.edu

soliscon.uu.nl

lboro.ac.uk

 

 

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:06 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Informal Report From a new eduroam Environment

 

Given that this is our first semester broadcasting the eduroam at Syracuse
University, I wanted to dig into how the new service was being used on
campus. I really didn't expect much, but am already impressed.  In the last
two weeks, we've seen logged in eduroamers from:

 

US

. Cornell

. Brandeis

. George Washington U

. U of Iowa

. U of Maryland

. Pitt

. Tulane

 

Canada

. Polytechnique Montreal

. Ryerson University, Toronto

 

UK

. U of Edinborough, Scotland

. Loughborough U

. University of London

. Cambridge

. St. Andrew

. Bristol

. City U of London

 

Europe

. U de Poiters, France

. Telecom-Bretagne, France

. HDM-Stuttgart, Germany

. KTH Royal Inst of Technology, Sweden

. U Poiters, France

. Vienna University of Tech

. Uppsala U, Sweden

. Utrecht U, NL

. Stockholm School of Economics

 

(This equals around 100 unique clients- most we've seen concurrent is just
under 40.) 

 

Though just a spit in the bucket of our 20K concurrent daily WLAN client
peak, the diversity of schools on the list is pretty thought-provoking.

 

-Lee Badman

Syracuse University

 

 

 

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi

[Hurt,Trenton W.]

Yes that's definitely the plan to wire the apple tvs.  The way they envision 
this is having 12 displays and have students break out into smaller 
study/collaboration groups on the fly, with modular furniture that they can 
move to accomadate.  So it wouldn't be an individual instructor controlling all 
12.  It could be anyone of the 180 users in the class all of which either have 
ipad or iphone or both.
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Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 12:27 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi

I think most of all, they wouldn't like the results even if the wireless 
worked. I imagine instructors will at some point expect to be able to mirror a 
single device to all twelve screens at once, so they all show the same thing, 
and I don't believe that Apple's AirPlay will work that way. It's my 
understanding that if they have 12 Apple TVs, they'll need to be running 12 
separate iPads/iPhones/Macs to take advantage of those screens. If that's what 
they want to do, that's one thing... but somehow I don't see it being used that 
way. It seems much more likely that what they really want is one AppleTV 
connected to a redistributor that will show a single instructor's iPad across 
all 12 screen with only one connection, or if you have a good enough controller 
system, just those screens that the instructor selects.

Now, about the wireless actually working... hahahaha, how cute. What you could 
do is run a network drop for each AppleTV, and make sure the wired network drop 
gets an address from your wireless range, or is exposed to your wireless range 
via a bonjour gateway. That would at least take a lot of the traffic out of the 
rf space.




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On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Hurt,Trenton W. 
trent.h...@louisville.edumailto:trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote:
Of the folks who are allowing users to do bonjour services over wifi.  Either 
thru native multicast , or the enhancements from the various wifi vendors. Has 
anyone noticed spectrum issues in dense classrooms?  I have a department who is 
proposing 12 screens with 12 apple tvs in room with 180 seats and I'm can't see 
how this can work given the crowded spectrum in large seat rooms.  Has anyone 
tried multiple apple tvs in the same room with multiple users mirroring 
different content simultaneously ?

Sent from my iPhone
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Informal Report From a new eduroam Environment

[Tim Cappalli]

Same here. Using eduroam as our primary has been great so far.





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Network Engineer  |  Brandeis University
cappa...@brandeis.edu | (617) 701-7149



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*Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Informal Report From a new eduroam Environment



It might well have resulted in one less call for us too. This is why we use
eduroam as our primary said, stops people trying to set it up  failing
when they're already away.

Thanks

--
ian

Sent from my phone, please excuse brevity and misspelling.
--

*From: *Hanset, Philippe C phan...@utk.edu
*Sent: *15/01/2014 17:27
*To: *WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
*Subject: *Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Informal Report From a new eduroam Environment

Lee,



I have yet to encounter a WLAN admin that wasn't intrigued by the diversity
of visitors when eduroam is enabled.

And this is the low season for eduroam at the moment!

Check the graph of the US top levels at https://www.eduroam.us/node/232



If I may ask, how many non eduroam visitors do you encounter on your WLAN
per day?

You mentioned 40 from eduroam, I wonder if it is representative at all in
term of visitors.



Thank you for sharing those stats.



Philippe

www.eduroam.us















(This equals around 100 unique clients- most we’ve seen concurrent is just
under 40.)



Though just a spit in the bucket of our 20K concurrent daily WLAN client
peak, the diversity of schools on the list is pretty thought-provoking.



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Syracuse University







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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi

[Jason Gerdes]

you might take a look at this white paper from Cisco. 
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/wireless/ps5678/ps10981/design_guide_c07-693245.html

I've just been reading it and it contains some useful information, RE: reducing 
cell sizes by turning off some of the lower data rates, the use of directional 
antennas to limit cell size, and all kinds of other tricks.  Hope this helps.

 On 1/15/2014 at 08:37 AM, Hurt,Trenton W. trent.h...@louisville.edu 
 wrote:

 Of the folks who are allowing users to do bonjour services over wifi.  Either 
  
 thru native multicast , or the enhancements from the various wifi vendors.  
 Has anyone noticed spectrum issues in dense classrooms?  I have a department  
 who is proposing 12 screens with 12 apple tvs in room with 180 seats and I'm  
 can't see how this can work given the crowded spectrum in large seat rooms.   
 Has anyone tried multiple apple tvs in the same room with multiple users  
 mirroring different content simultaneously ? 
  
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi

[Lee H Badman]

I give Cisco and Aerohive, etc. great credit for building in techniques that 
might help solve Apple's problems, but also not buying in to making the network 
jump through hoops for one device and client type.

To allow for display mirroring (and a lot more functionality) for ALL device 
types we are strongly leaning towards Mersive's Soltice software. It requires 
zero network reconfiguration, no multicast, and just fits like a glove. We are 
negotiating on $$ with Mersive after successful demos.

Lee Badman
Network Architect/Wireless TME
ITS, Syracuse University
315.443.3003

-Original Message-
From: Jason Gerdes [jger...@cwu.edu]
Received: Wednesday, 15 Jan 2014, 16:40
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi

you might take a look at this white paper from Cisco. 
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/wireless/ps5678/ps10981/design_guide_c07-693245.html

I've just been reading it and it contains some useful information, RE: reducing 
cell sizes by turning off some of the lower data rates, the use of directional 
antennas to limit cell size, and all kinds of other tricks.  Hope this helps.

 On 1/15/2014 at 08:37 AM, Hurt,Trenton W. trent.h...@louisville.edu 
 wrote:

 Of the folks who are allowing users to do bonjour services over wifi.  Either
 thru native multicast , or the enhancements from the various wifi vendors.
 Has anyone noticed spectrum issues in dense classrooms?  I have a department
 who is proposing 12 screens with 12 apple tvs in room with 180 seats and I'm
 can't see how this can work given the crowded spectrum in large seat rooms.
 Has anyone tried multiple apple tvs in the same room with multiple users
 mirroring different content simultaneously ?

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi

[Jason Cook]

We aren't doing anything to that density but are implementing something 
somewhat similar right now.  Would certainly be interested to see hear how you 
go.

We are doing 3 rooms with these as a bit of a pilot 
http://www.mersive.com/products/solstice/
It's basically software that runs on Windows and allows multiple users and 
device types to connect and share content. Our most dense room will be 60 users 
with 8 of these boxes, 2 fixed on wired network and 6 trolleys running 
wireless. Designed to be flexible small group learning spaces.

Lee,
I notice you're looking at Mersive as well, how are you setting yours up?

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Sent: Thursday, 16 January 2014 4:02 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi

Yes that's definitely the plan to wire the apple tvs.  The way they envision 
this is having 12 displays and have students break out into smaller 
study/collaboration groups on the fly, with modular furniture that they can 
move to accomadate.  So it wouldn't be an individual instructor controlling all 
12.  It could be anyone of the 180 users in the class all of which either have 
ipad or iphone or both.
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To: 
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Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi

I think most of all, they wouldn't like the results even if the wireless 
worked. I imagine instructors will at some point expect to be able to mirror a 
single device to all twelve screens at once, so they all show the same thing, 
and I don't believe that Apple's AirPlay will work that way. It's my 
understanding that if they have 12 Apple TVs, they'll need to be running 12 
separate iPads/iPhones/Macs to take advantage of those screens. If that's what 
they want to do, that's one thing... but somehow I don't see it being used that 
way. It seems much more likely that what they really want is one AppleTV 
connected to a redistributor that will show a single instructor's iPad across 
all 12 screen with only one connection, or if you have a good enough controller 
system, just those screens that the instructor selects.

Now, about the wireless actually working... hahahaha, how cute. What you could 
do is run a network drop for each AppleTV, and make sure the wired network drop 
gets an address from your wireless range, or is exposed to your wireless range 
via a bonjour gateway. That would at least take a lot of the traffic out of the 
rf space.




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On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Hurt,Trenton W. 
trent.h...@louisville.edumailto:trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote:
Of the folks who are allowing users to do bonjour services over wifi.  Either 
thru native multicast , or the enhancements from the various wifi vendors. Has 
anyone noticed spectrum issues in dense classrooms?  I have a department who is 
proposing 12 screens with 12 apple tvs in room with 180 seats and I'm can't see 
how this can work given the crowded spectrum in large seat rooms.  Has anyone 
tried multiple apple tvs in the same room with multiple users mirroring 
different content simultaneously ?

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi

[Lee H Badman]

Our initial idea is for Solstice on our teaching station PCs, generally one per 
room (hundreds of them). Then there will likely be other creative uses to be 
discovered. Works elegantly on LAN/WLAN with nothing unique required of the 
network, so you can envision all sorts of collaboration configs.

Lee Badman
Network Architect/Wireless TME
ITS, Syracuse University
315.443.3003

-Original Message-
From: Jason Cook [jason.c...@adelaide.edu.au]
Received: Wednesday, 15 Jan 2014, 17:50
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi

We aren’t doing anything to that density but are implementing something 
somewhat similar right now.  Would certainly be interested to see hear how you 
go.

We are doing 3 rooms with these as a bit of a pilot 
http://www.mersive.com/products/solstice/
It’s basically software that runs on Windows and allows multiple users and 
device types to connect and share content. Our most dense room will be 60 users 
with 8 of these boxes, 2 fixed on wired network and 6 trolleys running 
wireless. Designed to be flexible small group learning spaces.

Lee,
I notice you’re looking at Mersive as well, how are you setting yours up?

--
Jason Cook
The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005
Ph: +61 8 8313 4800
e-mail: 
jason.c...@adelaide.edu.aumailto:jason.c...@adelaide.edu.aumailto:jason.c...@adelaide.edu.au%3cmailto:jason.c...@adelaide.edu.au

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hurt,Trenton W.
Sent: Thursday, 16 January 2014 4:02 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi

Yes that’s definitely the plan to wire the apple tvs.  The way they envision 
this is having 12 displays and have students break out into smaller 
study/collaboration groups on the fly, with modular furniture that they can 
move to accomadate.  So it wouldn’t be an individual instructor controlling all 
12.  It could be anyone of the 180 users in the class all of which either have 
ipad or iphone or both.
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
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Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 12:27 PM
To: 
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Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi

I think most of all, they wouldn't like the results even if the wireless 
worked. I imagine instructors will at some point expect to be able to mirror a 
single device to all twelve screens at once, so they all show the same thing, 
and I don't believe that Apple's AirPlay will work that way. It's my 
understanding that if they have 12 Apple TVs, they'll need to be running 12 
separate iPads/iPhones/Macs to take advantage of those screens. If that's what 
they want to do, that's one thing... but somehow I don't see it being used that 
way. It seems much more likely that what they really want is one AppleTV 
connected to a redistributor that will show a single instructor's iPad across 
all 12 screen with only one connection, or if you have a good enough controller 
system, just those screens that the instructor selects.

Now, about the wireless actually working... hahahaha, how cute. What you could 
do is run a network drop for each AppleTV, and make sure the wired network drop 
gets an address from your wireless range, or is exposed to your wireless range 
via a bonjour gateway. That would at least take a lot of the traffic out of the 
rf space.




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York College, Nebraska
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On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Hurt,Trenton W. 
trent.h...@louisville.edumailto:trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote:
Of the folks who are allowing users to do bonjour services over wifi.  Either 
thru native multicast , or the enhancements from the various wifi vendors. Has 
anyone noticed spectrum issues in dense classrooms?  I have a department who is 
proposing 12 screens with 12 apple tvs in room with 180 seats and I'm can't see 
how this can work given the crowded spectrum in large seat rooms.  Has anyone 
tried multiple apple tvs in the same room with multiple users mirroring 
different content simultaneously ?

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi

[Jason Cook]

Sounds like a much bigger implementation plan than ours :)

I feel we may end up on that kind of path, but to begin with it will just be a 
smaller pilot. and see where it goes from there

I do like no effort in the network apart from ensuring ample bandwidth.

--
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The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005
Ph: +61 8 8313 4800
e-mail: 
jason.c...@adelaide.edu.aumailto:jason.c...@adelaide.edu.aumailto:jason.c...@adelaide.edu.au%3cmailto:jason.c...@adelaide.edu.au

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: Thursday, 16 January 2014 9:34 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi

Our initial idea is for Solstice on our teaching station PCs, generally one per 
room (hundreds of them). Then there will likely be other creative uses to be 
discovered. Works elegantly on LAN/WLAN with nothing unique required of the 
network, so you can envision all sorts of collaboration configs.

Lee Badman
Network Architect/Wireless TME
ITS, Syracuse University
315.443.3003

-Original Message-
From: Jason Cook [jason.c...@adelaide.edu.au]
Received: Wednesday, 15 Jan 2014, 17:50
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
[WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
We aren't doing anything to that density but are implementing something 
somewhat similar right now.  Would certainly be interested to see hear how you 
go.

We are doing 3 rooms with these as a bit of a pilot 
http://www.mersive.com/products/solstice/
It's basically software that runs on Windows and allows multiple users and 
device types to connect and share content. Our most dense room will be 60 users 
with 8 of these boxes, 2 fixed on wired network and 6 trolleys running 
wireless. Designed to be flexible small group learning spaces.

Lee,
I notice you're looking at Mersive as well, how are you setting yours up?

--
Jason Cook
The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005
Ph: +61 8 8313 4800
e-mail: 
jason.c...@adelaide.edu.aumailto:jason.c...@adelaide.edu.aumailto:jason.c...@adelaide.edu.au%3cmailto:jason.c...@adelaide.edu.au

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hurt,Trenton W.
Sent: Thursday, 16 January 2014 4:02 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi

Yes that's definitely the plan to wire the apple tvs.  The way they envision 
this is having 12 displays and have students break out into smaller 
study/collaboration groups on the fly, with modular furniture that they can 
move to accomadate.  So it wouldn't be an individual instructor controlling all 
12.  It could be anyone of the 180 users in the class all of which either have 
ipad or iphone or both.
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]
 On Behalf Of Coehoorn, Joel
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 12:27 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi

I think most of all, they wouldn't like the results even if the wireless 
worked. I imagine instructors will at some point expect to be able to mirror a 
single device to all twelve screens at once, so they all show the same thing, 
and I don't believe that Apple's AirPlay will work that way. It's my 
understanding that if they have 12 Apple TVs, they'll need to be running 12 
separate iPads/iPhones/Macs to take advantage of those screens. If that's what 
they want to do, that's one thing... but somehow I don't see it being used that 
way. It seems much more likely that what they really want is one AppleTV 
connected to a redistributor that will show a single instructor's iPad across 
all 12 screen with only one connection, or if you have a good enough controller 
system, just those screens that the instructor selects.

Now, about the wireless actually working... hahahaha, how cute. What you could 
do is run a network drop for each AppleTV, and make sure the wired network drop 
gets an address from your wireless range, or is exposed to your wireless range 
via a bonjour gateway. That would at least take a lot of the traffic out of the 
rf space.




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Joel Coehoorn
Director of Information Technology
York College, Nebraska
402.363.5603
jcoeho...@york.edumailto:jcoeho...@york.edu




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On Wed, 

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi

[James Andrewartha]

Hi Lee,

On 16/01/14 06:27, Lee H Badman wrote:
 To allow for display mirroring (and a lot more functionality) for ALL
 device types we are strongly leaning towards Mersive's Soltice software.
 It requires zero network reconfiguration, no multicast, and just fits
 like a glove. We are negotiating on $$ with Mersive after successful demos

Does it actually mirror any iOS display natively? I had a quick look at
the datasheet and it says Mirror iOS content via Apple TV connection.

We got a demo of Crestron AirMedia yesterday and were unimpressed with
its lack of mirroring from iOS - you can only display from their app. If
we were happy with that, our projectors (Epson) have their own app
available now. For us, being a K-12 school that only has Apple devices,
the Apple TV is a no brainer given its price.

-- 
James Andrewartha
Network  Projects Engineer
Christ Church Grammar School
Claremont, Western Australia
Ph. (08) 9442 1757
Mob. 0424 160 877

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi

[Lee H Badman]

Hi James,

Not sure what you're looking at, but AppleTV has nothing to do with Mersive. 
I'm not trying to sell their stuff, just quite fond of it after the 
frustrations of what the network needs to have done to it (bigger networks are 
worse) for AppleTV.

I see TCO of AppleTV as $99 (for AppleTV) + lots of hours dorking with the 
network + lots of support issues when it becomes a service so relied on that it 
simply can't tolerate almost-guaranteed disruption/unpredictability + time 
spent trying to accommodate non-Apple devices = AppleTV actually costs hundreds 
(or thousands) of dollars and leaves you with a network you'd probably prefer 
not to have, and a fragmented what device can do what environment for diplay 
mirroring.

I like the Mersive paradigm as an alternative- it asks nothing of the network. 
Although I'd still like to see Apple fix their own limitations.

-Lee


Lee H. Badman
Network Architect/Wireless TME
ITS, Syracuse University
315.443.3003


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of James Andrewartha 
[jandrewar...@ccgs.wa.edu.au]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:57 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi

Hi Lee,

On 16/01/14 06:27, Lee H Badman wrote:
 To allow for display mirroring (and a lot more functionality) for ALL
 device types we are strongly leaning towards Mersive's Soltice software.
 It requires zero network reconfiguration, no multicast, and just fits
 like a glove. We are negotiating on $$ with Mersive after successful demos

Does it actually mirror any iOS display natively? I had a quick look at
the datasheet and it says Mirror iOS content via Apple TV connection.

We got a demo of Crestron AirMedia yesterday and were unimpressed with
its lack of mirroring from iOS - you can only display from their app. If
we were happy with that, our projectors (Epson) have their own app
available now. For us, being a K-12 school that only has Apple devices,
the Apple TV is a no brainer given its price.

--
James Andrewartha
Network  Projects Engineer
Christ Church Grammar School
Claremont, Western Australia
Ph. (08) 9442 1757
Mob. 0424 160 877

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi

[James Andrewartha]

Hi Lee,

On 16/01/14 12:07, Lee H Badman wrote:
 Not sure what you're looking at, but AppleTV has nothing to do with Mersive. 
 I'm not trying to sell their stuff, just quite fond of it after the 
 frustrations of what the network needs to have done to it (bigger networks 
 are worse) for AppleTV.

I was looking at the Solstice datasheet [1] which seems to indicate it
doesn't do AirPlay on its own.

 I see TCO of AppleTV as $99 (for AppleTV) + lots of hours dorking with the 
 network + lots of support issues when it becomes a service so relied on that 
 it simply can't tolerate almost-guaranteed disruption/unpredictability + time 
 spent trying to accommodate non-Apple devices = AppleTV actually costs 
 hundreds (or thousands) of dollars and leaves you with a network you'd 
 probably prefer not to have, and a fragmented what device can do what 
 environment for diplay mirroring.

Absolutely, you have to determine whether it's worth it, for Apple TVs
or Solstice. I'm just trying to determine feature compatibility - from
what I can tell, the Solstice app [1] can only play media files or view
webpages, it's not true iOS display mirroring and so doesn't solve the
what device can do what environment. Perhaps that's all your classes
need, but not being able to mirror other iOS apps makes it a non-starter
for our requirements.

 I like the Mersive paradigm as an alternative- it asks nothing of the 
 network. Although I'd still like to see Apple fix their own limitations.

Sure, I wish you could drop Apple TVs into a directory like printers
(though AirPrint indicates that's going away too) and just choose from a
list. Actually, you can with the latest MDM stuff [3], but then you're
having to push configuration to the device. Bonjour even supports
wide-area DNS-SD, just the Apple TV doesn't for what appears to be
pandering to big content.

[1]
http://www.mersive.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/Solstice-data-sheet.pdf
[2] https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/solstice-client/id604298374?mt=8
[3]
http://help.apple.com/profilemanager/mac/3.0/#apd621BA9DF-4301-4D76-8A90-84E05E343FFA

-- 
James Andrewartha
Network  Projects Engineer
Christ Church Grammar School
Claremont, Western Australia
Ph. (08) 9442 1757
Mob. 0424 160 877

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi

[Jason Cook]

Hi James,

You are right it doesn't do mirroring as such for IOS.  The mersive guys are 
pretty helpful, if you are interested it would be worth having a chat with them 
anyway, they might be pushing for such a feature in the future.  

As you say ultimately it's about choosing something that fits your 
requirements, IOS mirroring wasn't on our list as required but certainly nice 
to have... I'm sure it's only a matter of time until the requests pour in.  I 
believe we are also looking at a couple of AB tutor licenses, don't know if 
this has anything of use https://abtutor.com/ios_features

Regards

Jason

--
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The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005
Ph: +61 8 8313 4800
e-mail: jason.c...@adelaide.edu.aumailto:jason.c...@adelaide.edu.au


-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of James Andrewartha
Sent: Thursday, 16 January 2014 2:54 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi

Hi Lee,

On 16/01/14 12:07, Lee H Badman wrote:
 Not sure what you're looking at, but AppleTV has nothing to do with Mersive. 
 I'm not trying to sell their stuff, just quite fond of it after the 
 frustrations of what the network needs to have done to it (bigger networks 
 are worse) for AppleTV.

I was looking at the Solstice datasheet [1] which seems to indicate it doesn't 
do AirPlay on its own.

 I see TCO of AppleTV as $99 (for AppleTV) + lots of hours dorking with the 
 network + lots of support issues when it becomes a service so relied on that 
 it simply can't tolerate almost-guaranteed disruption/unpredictability + time 
 spent trying to accommodate non-Apple devices = AppleTV actually costs 
 hundreds (or thousands) of dollars and leaves you with a network you'd 
 probably prefer not to have, and a fragmented what device can do what 
 environment for diplay mirroring.

Absolutely, you have to determine whether it's worth it, for Apple TVs or 
Solstice. I'm just trying to determine feature compatibility - from what I can 
tell, the Solstice app [1] can only play media files or view webpages, it's not 
true iOS display mirroring and so doesn't solve the what device can do what 
environment. Perhaps that's all your classes need, but not being able to mirror 
other iOS apps makes it a non-starter for our requirements.

 I like the Mersive paradigm as an alternative- it asks nothing of the 
 network. Although I'd still like to see Apple fix their own limitations.

Sure, I wish you could drop Apple TVs into a directory like printers (though 
AirPrint indicates that's going away too) and just choose from a list. 
Actually, you can with the latest MDM stuff [3], but then you're having to push 
configuration to the device. Bonjour even supports wide-area DNS-SD, just the 
Apple TV doesn't for what appears to be pandering to big content.

[1]
http://www.mersive.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/Solstice-data-sheet.pdf
[2] https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/solstice-client/id604298374?mt=8
[3]
http://help.apple.com/profilemanager/mac/3.0/#apd621BA9DF-4301-4D76-8A90-84E05E343FFA

--
James Andrewartha
Network  Projects Engineer
Christ Church Grammar School
Claremont, Western Australia
Ph. (08) 9442 1757
Mob. 0424 160 877

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi

[Coehoorn, Joel]

I've been **very** happy using AirServer (www.airserverapp.com) instead of
AppleTVs for mirroring. The software installs to a PC or Mac, and allows
the computer to act as an AppleTV. It even supports multiple-simultaneous
connections and recording(!) - (recording is currently Mac only, coming
soon for PC). What connected classroom doesn't already have a PC or Mac
where you could just install this program? And it's only $4 per classroom.
That's not a typo.

The downside is that this does make demands on your network... namely, that
your classroom PCs be on the same subnet as your wireless devices, or that
you complete the same kind of mDNS gateway setup for the classroom computer
that you would have needed to do for an AppleTV.

I know this sounds a bit like an advertisement, but I'm just a *very* happy
customer. We started a pilot with 12 real AppleTVs in the summer/early fall
of 2012, and within a few weeks of discovering this we had ripped all of
the AppleTVs out and deployed this campus-wide, for less than the smaller
pilot program cost.

The software can be set to run all the time, or start on demand, though
either way the user must be logged into a PC before it will accept a
stream. I've found it works best when started on demand... this cuts down
on the number of classrooms that show available for mirroring from the
iPad, making it easier to find what you're looking for, and it also solves
the issue of a random student or passerby interrupting a lecture already
using the computer by kicking off a stream. Also, there was a bug for the
PC version back in 2012 (since fixed) with running as a service, so that's
just part of the deployment we have now.




  Joel Coehoorn
Director of Information Technology
York College, Nebraska
402.363.5603
jcoeho...@york.edu



 *The mission of York College is to transform lives through
Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to
God, family, and society*



On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Jason Cook jason.c...@adelaide.edu.auwrote:

 Hi James,

 You are right it doesn't do mirroring as such for IOS.  The mersive guys
 are pretty helpful, if you are interested it would be worth having a chat
 with them anyway, they might be pushing for such a feature in the future.

 As you say ultimately it's about choosing something that fits your
 requirements, IOS mirroring wasn't on our list as required but certainly
 nice to have... I'm sure it's only a matter of time until the requests pour
 in.  I believe we are also looking at a couple of AB tutor licenses, don't
 know if this has anything of use https://abtutor.com/ios_features

 Regards

 Jason

 --
 Jason Cook
 The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005
 Ph: +61 8 8313 4800
 e-mail: jason.c...@adelaide.edu.aumailto:jason.c...@adelaide.edu.au


 -Original Message-
 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
 WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of James Andrewartha
 Sent: Thursday, 16 January 2014 2:54 PM
 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
 Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD
 wifi

 Hi Lee,

 On 16/01/14 12:07, Lee H Badman wrote:
  Not sure what you're looking at, but AppleTV has nothing to do with
 Mersive. I'm not trying to sell their stuff, just quite fond of it after
 the frustrations of what the network needs to have done to it (bigger
 networks are worse) for AppleTV.

 I was looking at the Solstice datasheet [1] which seems to indicate it
 doesn't do AirPlay on its own.

  I see TCO of AppleTV as $99 (for AppleTV) + lots of hours dorking with
 the network + lots of support issues when it becomes a service so relied on
 that it simply can't tolerate almost-guaranteed disruption/unpredictability
 + time spent trying to accommodate non-Apple devices = AppleTV actually
 costs hundreds (or thousands) of dollars and leaves you with a network
 you'd probably prefer not to have, and a fragmented what device can do
 what environment for diplay mirroring.

 Absolutely, you have to determine whether it's worth it, for Apple TVs or
 Solstice. I'm just trying to determine feature compatibility - from what I
 can tell, the Solstice app [1] can only play media files or view webpages,
 it's not true iOS display mirroring and so doesn't solve the what device
 can do what environment. Perhaps that's all your classes need, but not
 being able to mirror other iOS apps makes it a non-starter for our
 requirements.

  I like the Mersive paradigm as an alternative- it asks nothing of the
 network. Although I'd still like to see Apple fix their own limitations.

 Sure, I wish you could drop Apple TVs into a directory like printers
 (though AirPrint indicates that's going away too) and just choose from a
 list. Actually, you can with the latest MDM stuff [3], but then you're
 having to push configuration to the device. Bonjour even supports wide-area
 DNS-SD, just the Apple TV doesn't for what appears to be pandering to