date:20161116

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Microsoft NPS as RADIUS for 802.1X Wi-Fi?

2016-11-16 Thread Lee H Badman

Yeah- thanks, Phillipe. I knew I wasn't phrasing that quite right, typed it as 
I was flying out the door earlier.?

-Lee

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 on behalf of Philippe Hanset 

Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 5:26 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Microsoft NPS as RADIUS for 802.1X Wi-Fi?

Lee,

Radiator is not open source (you can buy support) but it works more smoothly on 
Unix (you can operate it on Windows).

Philippe

On Nov 16, 2016, at 4:34 PM, Lee H Badman 
> wrote:

Thanks, Phillipe. For a number of reasons we're trying to steer away from open 
source on this.

Lee Badman | CWNE #200 | Network Architect

Information Technology Services
206 Machinery Hall
120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244
t 315.443.3003   f 315.443.4325   e lhbad...@syr.edu w 
its.syr.edu
SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
syr.edu

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Philippe Hanset
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 12:58 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Microsoft NPS as RADIUS for 802.1X Wi-Fi?

Lee,

Not speaking from using NPS but from having to help Institutions using NPS:

It is a very "stiff" environment, and Microsoft does not want to listen to the 
eduroam community's requests (not just US, but worldwide)

No REALM stripping
No Server Status (that one is killing us. We have to implement all kinds of 
timers to make sure that servers are responding...when the standard has a built 
in mechanism)
No support for RadSec ever mentioned.

If I were a large University with in house expertise I would do FreeRADIUS 3.0 
or Radiator (or more NAC oriented solutions if you need that)

Philippe

Philippe Hanset, CEO
www.anyroam.net
www.eduroam.us
GPG key id: 0xF2636F9C

On Nov 16, 2016, at 9:40 AM, Lee H Badman 
> wrote:

Hello to the awesome group.

We've used Cisco ACS with general satisfaction for many years as the RADIUS 
solution for our very, very large WLAN's 802.1X authentication. We also have 
Aruba Clearpass in-house for guest wireless, and have poked around at ISE a 
bit. We're weighing replacing our aging ACS environment, but as many of you 
know times are changing. When you shop for RADIUS, you have to wade through the 
fog of NAC systems because everything is getting ever more "feature rich". For 
major vendors, RADIUS is just a slice of NAC now, and since everybody "is a 
software company!" licensing can be ugly. I'm not slamming those who find value 
in the many interesting features that the likes of ISE and Clearpass offer, but 
I also can't help but be drawn to Microsoft NPS when I think about going 
forward with simple RADIUS.

Way back when, we avoided Microsoft in this role as the reporting wasn't 
particularly strong when it came time to troubleshoot clients. We *may* have 
found relief to this through Splunk, and also enjoy a robust Windows server 
environment staffed by absolutely brilliant MS-minded veteran admins.

All that being said- is anyone using NPS as their RADIUS solution for a large 
secure WLAN environment? Can you share likes, dislikes, regrets, endorsements, 
horror stories, tales of success, etc?

(Any vendor reps lurking- no, I'm not open to hearing about other RADIUS 
solutions. Please, no calls or emails)

Kind regards-

Lee Badman | CWNE #200 | Network Architect

Information Technology Services
206 Machinery Hall
120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244
t 315.443.3003   f 315.443.4325   e lhbad...@syr.edu w 
its.syr.edu
SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
syr.edu

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Microsoft NPS as RADIUS for 802.1X Wi-Fi?

2016-11-16 Thread Philippe Hanset

Lee,

Radiator is not open source (you can buy support) but it works more smoothly on 
Unix (you can operate it on Windows).

Philippe


> On Nov 16, 2016, at 4:34 PM, Lee H Badman  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Phillipe. For a number of reasons we’re trying to steer away from 
> open source on this.
>  
> Lee Badman | CWNE #200 | Network Architect 
> 
> Information Technology Services
> 206 Machinery Hall
> 120 Smith Drive
> Syracuse, New York 13244
> 
> t 315.443.3003   f 315.443.4325   e lhbad...@syr.edu w its.syr.edu
> SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
> syr.edu
> 
>  
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Philippe Hanset
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 12:58 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Microsoft NPS as RADIUS for 802.1X Wi-Fi?
>  
> Lee,
>  
> Not speaking from using NPS but from having to help Institutions using NPS:
>  
> It is a very “stiff” environment, and Microsoft does not want to listen to 
> the eduroam community’s requests (not just US, but worldwide)
>  
> No REALM stripping
> No Server Status (that one is killing us. We have to implement all kinds of 
> timers to make sure that servers are responding…when the standard has a built 
> in mechanism)
> No support for RadSec ever mentioned.
>  
> If I were a large University with in house expertise I would do FreeRADIUS 
> 3.0 or Radiator (or more NAC oriented solutions if you need that)
>  
> Philippe
>  
> Philippe Hanset, CEO
> www.anyroam.net
> www.eduroam.us
> GPG key id: 0xF2636F9C
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> On Nov 16, 2016, at 9:40 AM, Lee H Badman  wrote:
>  
> Hello to the awesome group.
>  
> We’ve used Cisco ACS with general satisfaction for many years as the RADIUS 
> solution for our very, very large WLAN’s 802.1X authentication. We also have 
> Aruba Clearpass in-house for guest wireless, and have poked around at ISE a 
> bit. We’re weighing replacing our aging ACS environment, but as many of you 
> know times are changing. When you shop for RADIUS, you have to wade through 
> the fog of NAC systems because everything is getting ever more “feature 
> rich”. For major vendors, RADIUS is just a slice of NAC now, and since 
> everybody “is a software company!” licensing can be ugly. I’m not slamming 
> those who find value in the many interesting features that the likes of ISE 
> and Clearpass offer, but I also can’t help but be drawn to Microsoft NPS when 
> I think about going forward with simple RADIUS.
>  
> Way back when, we avoided Microsoft in this role as the reporting wasn’t 
> particularly strong when it came time to troubleshoot clients. We *may* have 
> found relief to this through Splunk, and also enjoy a robust Windows server 
> environment staffed by absolutely brilliant MS-minded veteran admins. 
>  
> All that being said- is anyone using NPS as their RADIUS solution for a large 
> secure WLAN environment? Can you share likes, dislikes, regrets, 
> endorsements, horror stories, tales of success, etc? 
>  
>  
> (Any vendor reps lurking- no, I’m not open to hearing about other RADIUS 
> solutions. Please, no calls or emails)
>  
>  
> Kind regards-
>  
> Lee Badman | CWNE #200 | Network Architect 
> 
> Information Technology Services
> 206 Machinery Hall
> 120 Smith Drive
> Syracuse, New York 13244
> t 315.443.3003   f 315.443.4325   e lhbad...@syr.edu w its.syr.edu
> SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
> syr.edu
>  
>  
>  
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RE: Microsoft NPS as RADIUS for 802.1X Wi-Fi?

2016-11-16 Thread Dexter Caldwell

We've used NPS since before it was called NPS.  We rarely have any issues.  
Sorta like DHCP- just runs.   We do almost everything as 802.1x.   It really 
depends what you're trying to do.   Microsoft Event Logs can be used to 
troubleshoot, but they can be like event logs always are- not fun.   Log 
aggregation systems, help, but when you really need to troubleshoot, I find it 
easier just to start with a client and track that client through the logs.  
Once I profile what's happening to a relevant, I can easily see how often the 
pattern is happening for other users.  That doesn't make the logs any more fun 
though.

If you're doing really fancy things with Radius, you need to be sure it has 
everything you want.  Most of it is there, but getting started will likely be 
your biggest roadblock, not because it's not heavily documented.  Usually 
though your product vendor will have instructions for it if you don't know what 
they require.

For us, it's been of my least problematic core network services.  I'd just be 
sure you have enough servers and disk space to store your logs and that you 
either archive them or set them to roll since they can eat disk space if you 
don't set the logs properly.   For larger schools you may have experience 
scalability issues, but so far we have not.  If you use radius for a lot of 
different products you may find issues, we haven't run into.  If you want good 
stats, or trending,  etc, it's probably not the best platform at all for 
getting that without some effort.

Dexter
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 9:40 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Microsoft NPS as RADIUS for 802.1X Wi-Fi?

Hello to the awesome group.

We've used Cisco ACS with general satisfaction for many years as the RADIUS 
solution for our very, very large WLAN's 802.1X authentication. We also have 
Aruba Clearpass in-house for guest wireless, and have poked around at ISE a 
bit. We're weighing replacing our aging ACS environment, but as many of you 
know times are changing. When you shop for RADIUS, you have to wade through the 
fog of NAC systems because everything is getting ever more "feature rich". For 
major vendors, RADIUS is just a slice of NAC now, and since everybody "is a 
software company!" licensing can be ugly. I'm not slamming those who find value 
in the many interesting features that the likes of ISE and Clearpass offer, but 
I also can't help but be drawn to Microsoft NPS when I think about going 
forward with simple RADIUS.

Way back when, we avoided Microsoft in this role as the reporting wasn't 
particularly strong when it came time to troubleshoot clients. We *may* have 
found relief to this through Splunk, and also enjoy a robust Windows server 
environment staffed by absolutely brilliant MS-minded veteran admins.

All that being said- is anyone using NPS as their RADIUS solution for a large 
secure WLAN environment? Can you share likes, dislikes, regrets, endorsements, 
horror stories, tales of success, etc?


(Any vendor reps lurking- no, I'm not open to hearing about other RADIUS 
solutions. Please, no calls or emails)


Kind regards-

Lee Badman | CWNE #200 | Network Architect

Information Technology Services
206 Machinery Hall
120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244
t 315.443.3003   f 315.443.4325   e lhbad...@syr.edu w 
its.syr.edu
SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
syr.edu



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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Microsoft NPS as RADIUS for 802.1X Wi-Fi?

2016-11-16 Thread Lee H Badman

Thanks, Phillipe. For a number of reasons we’re trying to steer away from open 
source on this.

Lee Badman | CWNE #200 | Network Architect

Information Technology Services
206 Machinery Hall
120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244
t 315.443.3003   f 315.443.4325   e lhbad...@syr.edu w 
its.syr.edu
SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
syr.edu

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Philippe Hanset
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 12:58 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Microsoft NPS as RADIUS for 802.1X Wi-Fi?

Lee,

Not speaking from using NPS but from having to help Institutions using NPS:

It is a very “stiff” environment, and Microsoft does not want to listen to the 
eduroam community’s requests (not just US, but worldwide)

No REALM stripping
No Server Status (that one is killing us. We have to implement all kinds of 
timers to make sure that servers are responding…when the standard has a built 
in mechanism)
No support for RadSec ever mentioned.

If I were a large University with in house expertise I would do FreeRADIUS 3.0 
or Radiator (or more NAC oriented solutions if you need that)

Philippe

Philippe Hanset, CEO
www.anyroam.net
www.eduroam.us
GPG key id: 0xF2636F9C





On Nov 16, 2016, at 9:40 AM, Lee H Badman 
> wrote:

Hello to the awesome group.

We’ve used Cisco ACS with general satisfaction for many years as the RADIUS 
solution for our very, very large WLAN’s 802.1X authentication. We also have 
Aruba Clearpass in-house for guest wireless, and have poked around at ISE a 
bit. We’re weighing replacing our aging ACS environment, but as many of you 
know times are changing. When you shop for RADIUS, you have to wade through the 
fog of NAC systems because everything is getting ever more “feature rich”. For 
major vendors, RADIUS is just a slice of NAC now, and since everybody “is a 
software company!” licensing can be ugly. I’m not slamming those who find value 
in the many interesting features that the likes of ISE and Clearpass offer, but 
I also can’t help but be drawn to Microsoft NPS when I think about going 
forward with simple RADIUS.

Way back when, we avoided Microsoft in this role as the reporting wasn’t 
particularly strong when it came time to troubleshoot clients. We *may* have 
found relief to this through Splunk, and also enjoy a robust Windows server 
environment staffed by absolutely brilliant MS-minded veteran admins.

All that being said- is anyone using NPS as their RADIUS solution for a large 
secure WLAN environment? Can you share likes, dislikes, regrets, endorsements, 
horror stories, tales of success, etc?


(Any vendor reps lurking- no, I’m not open to hearing about other RADIUS 
solutions. Please, no calls or emails)


Kind regards-

Lee Badman | CWNE #200 | Network Architect

Information Technology Services
206 Machinery Hall
120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244
t 315.443.3003   f 315.443.4325   e lhbad...@syr.edu w 
its.syr.edu
SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
syr.edu



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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Microsoft NPS as RADIUS for 802.1X Wi-Fi?

2016-11-16 Thread Jeremy Gibbs

I only use NPS for Cisco RADIUS auth.  Otherwise, all of our authentication
hits Extreme NAC (uses FreeRADIUS as a backend).  I dislike NPS very much.




*--Jeremy L. Gibbs*
Sr. Network Engineer
Utica College IITS

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Mike Atkins  wrote:

> Bruce,
>
> We are using Microsoft Event log view for NPS/security and are also
> exporting security logs daily to another system that we built to massage
> the information in order to get stats and summarize errors.  We have
> Microsoft System Center that I believe can be expanded to do additional
> reporting and alerting but we have been unsuccessful in getting the other
> groups to implement it.
>
>
>
> I used perfmon for a very short period when I was initially looking at way
> to graph rates over a 24 hour period and was quickly discouraged.  I did
> not have a working baseline to compare to and I could not find a published
> spec.  Our identity group opened a ticket with Microsoft and never got a
> solid # on rates.  I believe the response was “depends on your server
> resources.”  I was looking at success and failure rates but the problem at
> the time was NPS just stopped responding to the supplicant.  I did not see
> a counter for something like that.  Maybe I did not look hard enough and
> there is a way to calculate it.  I should probably take another look if you
> find it useful.
>
>
>
> A typical troubleshooting scenario was “everyone in this room was
> disconnected!”  I ask the typical question, “did everyone get disconnected
> at the same time.”  Response is “yes!”  I ask “so everyone got disconnected
> at the very same minute?”  Response, “well no, but during the meeting most
> of us got disconnected.”  I reply “most not everyone?.?.?…..”  J  You
> know how it goes.  In the end I had to look at information far enough back
> that it is/was very difficult to use perfmon.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Mike Atkins *
>
> Network Engineer
>
> Office of Information Technology
>
> University of Notre Dame
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Bruce Boardman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2016 2:49 PM
>
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Microsoft NPS as RADIUS for 802.1X Wi-Fi?
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Regarding the Troubleshooting and debug challenges with NPS are you
> exporting the MS events to a log collector or using the server's native
> event viewer? How useful have you found the PerfMon RADIUS metrics?
>
>
>
>
>
> |Bruce Boardman, Network Engineer, Syracuse University -  315 412-4156
>
> --
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of Mike Atkins <
> matk...@nd.edu>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2016 2:44 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Microsoft NPS as RADIUS for 802.1X Wi-Fi?
>
>
>
> Lee,
>
> We use Microsoft NPS for radius on dot1x wireless (ND-secure & eduroam.)
> Troubleshooting and getting debug information has been very difficult.
> Finding a deployment guide on expected performance/load is also impossible
> to find.  I think configuration is absolutely key.  My impression is either
> it works great or it does not.
>
>
>
> Dennis,
>
> I think we are doing the realm stripping you are talking about using NPS.
> Our identity management group has two policies configured for eduroam.  The
> first policy says identity @nd.edu authenticate PEAP requests on the
> local server.  The second policy says “@” forward to the two eduroam.us
> “servers.”  There are a couple other policies for off campus users that get
> forwarded from eduroam.us servers.  Maybe not what you are talking about
> but just thought I would chime in just in case.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Mike Atkins *
>
> Network Engineer
>
> Office of Information Technology
>
> University of Notre Dame
>
> Phone: 574-631-7210
>
>
>
>
>
>    .__o
>
>- _-\_<,
>
>---  (*)/'(*)
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Lee H Badman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2016 9:40 AM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] Microsoft NPS as RADIUS for 802.1X Wi-Fi?
>
>
>
> Hello to the awesome group.
>
>
>
> We’ve used Cisco ACS with general satisfaction for many years as the
> RADIUS solution for our very, very large WLAN’s 802.1X authentication. We
> also have Aruba Clearpass in-house for guest wireless, and have poked
> around at ISE a bit. We’re weighing replacing our aging ACS environment,
> but as many of you know times are changing. When you shop for RADIUS, you
> have to wade through the fog of NAC systems because everything is getting
> ever more “feature rich”. For major vendors, RADIUS is just a slice of NAC
> now, and since everybody “is a

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Microsoft NPS as RADIUS for 802.1X Wi-Fi?

2016-11-16 Thread Mike Atkins

Bruce,

We are using Microsoft Event log view for NPS/security and are also
exporting security logs daily to another system that we built to massage
the information in order to get stats and summarize errors.  We have
Microsoft System Center that I believe can be expanded to do additional
reporting and alerting but we have been unsuccessful in getting the other
groups to implement it.



I used perfmon for a very short period when I was initially looking at way
to graph rates over a 24 hour period and was quickly discouraged.  I did
not have a working baseline to compare to and I could not find a published
spec.  Our identity group opened a ticket with Microsoft and never got a
solid # on rates.  I believe the response was “depends on your server
resources.”  I was looking at success and failure rates but the problem at
the time was NPS just stopped responding to the supplicant.  I did not see
a counter for something like that.  Maybe I did not look hard enough and
there is a way to calculate it.  I should probably take another look if you
find it useful.



A typical troubleshooting scenario was “everyone in this room was
disconnected!”  I ask the typical question, “did everyone get disconnected
at the same time.”  Response is “yes!”  I ask “so everyone got disconnected
at the very same minute?”  Response, “well no, but during the meeting most
of us got disconnected.”  I reply “most not everyone?.?.?…..”  J  You know
how it goes.  In the end I had to look at information far enough back that
it is/was very difficult to use perfmon.







*Mike Atkins *

Network Engineer

Office of Information Technology

University of Notre Dame



*From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Bruce Boardman
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2016 2:49 PM
*To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
*Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Microsoft NPS as RADIUS for 802.1X Wi-Fi?



Mike

Regarding the Troubleshooting and debug challenges with NPS are you
exporting the MS events to a log collector or using the server's native
event viewer? How useful have you found the PerfMon RADIUS metrics?





|Bruce Boardman, Network Engineer, Syracuse University -  315 412-4156

--

*From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of Mike Atkins 
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2016 2:44 PM
*To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
*Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Microsoft NPS as RADIUS for 802.1X Wi-Fi?



Lee,

We use Microsoft NPS for radius on dot1x wireless (ND-secure & eduroam.)
Troubleshooting and getting debug information has been very difficult.
Finding a deployment guide on expected performance/load is also impossible
to find.  I think configuration is absolutely key.  My impression is either
it works great or it does not.



Dennis,

I think we are doing the realm stripping you are talking about using NPS.
Our identity management group has two policies configured for eduroam.  The
first policy says identity @nd.edu authenticate PEAP requests on the local
server.  The second policy says “@” forward to the two eduroam.us
“servers.”  There are a couple other policies for off campus users that get
forwarded from eduroam.us servers.  Maybe not what you are talking about
but just thought I would chime in just in case.











*Mike Atkins *

Network Engineer

Office of Information Technology

University of Notre Dame

Phone: 574-631-7210





   .__o

   - _-\_<,

   ---  (*)/'(*)



*From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Lee H Badman
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2016 9:40 AM
*To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
*Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] Microsoft NPS as RADIUS for 802.1X Wi-Fi?



Hello to the awesome group.



We’ve used Cisco ACS with general satisfaction for many years as the RADIUS
solution for our very, very large WLAN’s 802.1X authentication. We also
have Aruba Clearpass in-house for guest wireless, and have poked around at
ISE a bit. We’re weighing replacing our aging ACS environment, but as many
of you know times are changing. When you shop for RADIUS, you have to wade
through the fog of NAC systems because everything is getting ever more
“feature rich”. For major vendors, RADIUS is just a slice of NAC now, and
since everybody “is a software company!” licensing can be ugly. I’m not
slamming those who find value in the many interesting features that the
likes of ISE and Clearpass offer, but I also can’t help but be drawn to
Microsoft NPS when I think about going forward with simple RADIUS.



Way back when, we avoided Microsoft in this role as the reporting wasn’t
particularly strong when it came time to troubleshoot clients. We **may**
have found relief to this through Splunk, and also enjoy a robust Windows
server environment staffed by absolutely

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Microsoft NPS as RADIUS for 802.1X Wi-Fi?

2016-11-16 Thread Bruce Boardman

?Mike

Regarding the Troubleshooting and debug challenges with NPS are you exporting 
the MS events to a log collector or using the server's native event viewer? How 
useful have you found the PerfMon RADIUS metrics?



|Bruce Boardman, Network Engineer, Syracuse University -  315 412-4156

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Mike Atkins 
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 2:44 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Microsoft NPS as RADIUS for 802.1X Wi-Fi?

Lee,
We use Microsoft NPS for radius on dot1x wireless (ND-secure & eduroam.) 
Troubleshooting and getting debug information has been very difficult.  Finding 
a deployment guide on expected performance/load is also impossible to find.  I 
think configuration is absolutely key.  My impression is either it works great 
or it does not.

Dennis,
I think we are doing the realm stripping you are talking about using NPS.  Our 
identity management group has two policies configured for eduroam.  The first 
policy says identity @nd.edu authenticate PEAP requests on the 
local server.  The second policy says "@" forward to the two 
eduroam.us "servers."  There are a couple other policies for 
off campus users that get forwarded from eduroam.us servers. 
 Maybe not what you are talking about but just thought I would chime in just in 
case.





Mike Atkins
Network Engineer
Office of Information Technology
University of Notre Dame
Phone: 574-631-7210


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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]
 On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 9:40 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Microsoft NPS as RADIUS for 802.1X Wi-Fi?

Hello to the awesome group.

We've used Cisco ACS with general satisfaction for many years as the RADIUS 
solution for our very, very large WLAN's 802.1X authentication. We also have 
Aruba Clearpass in-house for guest wireless, and have poked around at ISE a 
bit. We're weighing replacing our aging ACS environment, but as many of you 
know times are changing. When you shop for RADIUS, you have to wade through the 
fog of NAC systems because everything is getting ever more "feature rich". For 
major vendors, RADIUS is just a slice of NAC now, and since everybody "is a 
software company!" licensing can be ugly. I'm not slamming those who find value 
in the many interesting features that the likes of ISE and Clearpass offer, but 
I also can't help but be drawn to Microsoft NPS when I think about going 
forward with simple RADIUS.

Way back when, we avoided Microsoft in this role as the reporting wasn't 
particularly strong when it came time to troubleshoot clients. We *may* have 
found relief to this through Splunk, and also enjoy a robust Windows server 
environment staffed by absolutely brilliant MS-minded veteran admins.

All that being said- is anyone using NPS as their RADIUS solution for a large 
secure WLAN environment? Can you share likes, dislikes, regrets, endorsements, 
horror stories, tales of success, etc?


(Any vendor reps lurking- no, I'm not open to hearing about other RADIUS 
solutions. Please, no calls or emails)


Kind regards-

Lee Badman | CWNE #200 | Network Architect

Information Technology Services
206 Machinery Hall
120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244
t 315.443.3003   f 315.443.4325   e lhbad...@syr.edu w 
its.syr.edu
SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
syr.edu



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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Microsoft NPS as RADIUS for 802.1X Wi-Fi?

2016-11-16 Thread Mike Atkins

Lee,

We use Microsoft NPS for radius on dot1x wireless (ND-secure & eduroam.)
Troubleshooting and getting debug information has been very difficult.
Finding a deployment guide on expected performance/load is also impossible
to find.  I think configuration is absolutely key.  My impression is either
it works great or it does not.



Dennis,

I think we are doing the realm stripping you are talking about using NPS.
Our identity management group has two policies configured for eduroam.  The
first policy says identity @nd.edu authenticate PEAP requests on the local
server.  The second policy says “@” forward to the two eduroam.us
“servers.”  There are a couple other policies for off campus users that get
forwarded from eduroam.us servers.  Maybe not what you are talking about
but just thought I would chime in just in case.











*Mike Atkins *

Network Engineer

Office of Information Technology

University of Notre Dame

Phone: 574-631-7210





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   - _-\_<,

   ---  (*)/'(*)



*From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Lee H Badman
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2016 9:40 AM
*To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
*Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] Microsoft NPS as RADIUS for 802.1X Wi-Fi?



Hello to the awesome group.



We’ve used Cisco ACS with general satisfaction for many years as the RADIUS
solution for our very, very large WLAN’s 802.1X authentication. We also
have Aruba Clearpass in-house for guest wireless, and have poked around at
ISE a bit. We’re weighing replacing our aging ACS environment, but as many
of you know times are changing. When you shop for RADIUS, you have to wade
through the fog of NAC systems because everything is getting ever more
“feature rich”. For major vendors, RADIUS is just a slice of NAC now, and
since everybody “is a software company!” licensing can be ugly. I’m not
slamming those who find value in the many interesting features that the
likes of ISE and Clearpass offer, but I also can’t help but be drawn to
Microsoft NPS when I think about going forward with simple RADIUS.



Way back when, we avoided Microsoft in this role as the reporting wasn’t
particularly strong when it came time to troubleshoot clients. We **may**
have found relief to this through Splunk, and also enjoy a robust Windows
server environment staffed by absolutely brilliant MS-minded veteran
admins.



All that being said- is anyone using NPS as their RADIUS solution for a
large secure WLAN environment? Can you share likes, dislikes, regrets,
endorsements, horror stories, tales of success, etc?





(Any vendor reps lurking- no, I’m not open to hearing about other RADIUS
solutions. Please, no calls or emails)





Kind regards-



*Lee Badman* | CWNE #200 | Network Architect

Information Technology Services
206 Machinery Hall
120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244

*t* 315.443.3003  * f* 315.443.4325   *e* lhbad...@syr.edu *w* its.syr.edu


*SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY*syr.edu







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Re: Microsoft NPS as RADIUS for 802.1X Wi-Fi?

2016-11-16 Thread Curtis K. Larsen

Ditto.  But technically we use PacketFence which uses FreeRADIUS under the 
hood.  We had the same realm stripping problem with ISE 2-3 yrs. ago.  We use 
realm stripping internally as well as when proxying externally.  I understand 
the external realm stripping was fixed long ago.  Not sure if internal realm 
stripping is still an issue.


--
Curtis K. Larsen
Senior Network Engineer
University of Utah IT/CIS
Office 801-587-1313


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Dennis Xu 
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 10:50 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Microsoft NPS as RADIUS for 802.1X Wi-Fi?

We have migrated our ACS servers to FreeRADIUS with success. We looked into NPS 
and the roadblock was the realm suffix stripping. We need to strip username 
d...@uoguelph.ca to just 'dxu' before authenticate with active directory. NPS 
only strips the outer PEAP identity but not inner identity.  Also NPS can strip 
the realm when it is running as proxy but not in local processing mode. See 
following discussion for more detail. We were seeing the exact same behavior:

https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windowsserver/en-US/e73183d4-7b2f-48a7-9246-97ed711e8e8d/eappeapmschapv2-realm-stripping?forum=winserverNAP


Dennis Xu, MASc, CCIE #13056
Analyst 3, Network Infrastructure
Computing and Communications Services(CCS)
University of Guelph

519-824-4120 Ext 56217
d...@uoguelph.ca
www.uoguelph.ca/ccs



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Lee H Badman 

Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 9:40:08 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Microsoft NPS as RADIUS for 802.1X Wi-Fi?

Hello to the awesome group.

We’ve used Cisco ACS with general satisfaction for many years as the RADIUS 
solution for our very, very large WLAN’s 802.1X authentication. We also have 
Aruba Clearpass in-house for guest wireless, and have poked around at ISE a 
bit. We’re weighing replacing our aging ACS environment, but as many of you 
know times are changing. When you shop for RADIUS, you have to wade through the 
fog of NAC systems because everything is getting ever more “feature rich”. For 
major vendors, RADIUS is just a slice of NAC now, and since everybody “is a 
software company!” licensing can be ugly. I’m not slamming those who find value 
in the many interesting features that the likes of ISE and Clearpass offer, but 
I also can’t help but be drawn to Microsoft NPS when I think about going 
forward with simple RADIUS.

Way back when, we avoided Microsoft in this role as the reporting wasn’t 
particularly strong when it came time to troubleshoot clients. We *may* have 
found relief to this through Splunk, and also enjoy a robust Windows server 
environment staffed by absolutely brilliant MS-minded veteran admins.

All that being said- is anyone using NPS as their RADIUS solution for a large 
secure WLAN environment? Can you share likes, dislikes, regrets, endorsements, 
horror stories, tales of success, etc?


(Any vendor reps lurking- no, I’m not open to hearing about other RADIUS 
solutions. Please, no calls or emails)


Kind regards-

Lee Badman | CWNE #200 | Network Architect

Information Technology Services
206 Machinery Hall
120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244
t 315.443.3003   f 315.443.4325   e lhbad...@syr.edu w 
its.syr.edu
SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
syr.edu



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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Microsoft NPS as RADIUS for 802.1X Wi-Fi?

2016-11-16 Thread Philippe Hanset

Lee,

Not speaking from using NPS but from having to help Institutions using NPS:

It is a very “stiff” environment, and Microsoft does not want to listen to the 
eduroam community’s requests (not just US, but worldwide)

No REALM stripping
No Server Status (that one is killing us. We have to implement all kinds of 
timers to make sure that servers are responding…when the standard has a built 
in mechanism)
No support for RadSec ever mentioned.

If I were a large University with in house expertise I would do FreeRADIUS 3.0 
or Radiator (or more NAC oriented solutions if you need that)

Philippe

Philippe Hanset, CEO
www.anyroam.net
www.eduroam.us
GPG key id: 0xF2636F9C






> On Nov 16, 2016, at 9:40 AM, Lee H Badman  wrote:
> 
> Hello to the awesome group.
>  
> We’ve used Cisco ACS with general satisfaction for many years as the RADIUS 
> solution for our very, very large WLAN’s 802.1X authentication. We also have 
> Aruba Clearpass in-house for guest wireless, and have poked around at ISE a 
> bit. We’re weighing replacing our aging ACS environment, but as many of you 
> know times are changing. When you shop for RADIUS, you have to wade through 
> the fog of NAC systems because everything is getting ever more “feature 
> rich”. For major vendors, RADIUS is just a slice of NAC now, and since 
> everybody “is a software company!” licensing can be ugly. I’m not slamming 
> those who find value in the many interesting features that the likes of ISE 
> and Clearpass offer, but I also can’t help but be drawn to Microsoft NPS when 
> I think about going forward with simple RADIUS.
>  
> Way back when, we avoided Microsoft in this role as the reporting wasn’t 
> particularly strong when it came time to troubleshoot clients. We *may* have 
> found relief to this through Splunk, and also enjoy a robust Windows server 
> environment staffed by absolutely brilliant MS-minded veteran admins. 
>  
> All that being said- is anyone using NPS as their RADIUS solution for a large 
> secure WLAN environment? Can you share likes, dislikes, regrets, 
> endorsements, horror stories, tales of success, etc? 
>  
>  
> (Any vendor reps lurking- no, I’m not open to hearing about other RADIUS 
> solutions. Please, no calls or emails)
>  
>  
> Kind regards-
>  
> Lee Badman | CWNE #200 | Network Architect 
> 
> Information Technology Services
> 206 Machinery Hall
> 120 Smith Drive
> Syracuse, New York 13244
> t 315.443.3003   f 315.443.4325   e lhbad...@syr.edu 
>  w its.syr.edu 
> SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
> syr.edu 
>  
>  
>  
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> Constituent Group discussion list can be found at 
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RE: Microsoft NPS as RADIUS for 802.1X Wi-Fi?

2016-11-16 Thread Lee H Badman

Thanks, Dennis!

Lee Badman | CWNE #200 | Network Architect

Information Technology Services
206 Machinery Hall
120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244
t 315.443.3003   f 315.443.4325   e lhbad...@syr.edu w 
its.syr.edu
SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
syr.edu

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Dennis Xu
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 12:51 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Microsoft NPS as RADIUS for 802.1X Wi-Fi?


We have migrated our ACS servers to FreeRADIUS with success. We looked into NPS 
and the roadblock was the realm suffix stripping. We need to strip username 
d...@uoguelph.ca to just 'dxu' before authenticate 
with active directory. NPS only strips the outer PEAP identity but not inner 
identity.  Also NPS can strip the realm when it is running as proxy but not in 
local processing mode. See following discussion for more detail. We were seeing 
the exact same behavior:

https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windowsserver/en-US/e73183d4-7b2f-48a7-9246-97ed711e8e8d/eappeapmschapv2-realm-stripping?forum=winserverNAP


Dennis Xu, MASc, CCIE #13056
Analyst 3, Network Infrastructure
Computing and Communications Services(CCS)
University of Guelph

519-824-4120 Ext 56217
d...@uoguelph.ca
www.uoguelph.ca/ccs


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> 
on behalf of Lee H Badman >
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 9:40:08 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Microsoft NPS as RADIUS for 802.1X Wi-Fi?

Hello to the awesome group.

We've used Cisco ACS with general satisfaction for many years as the RADIUS 
solution for our very, very large WLAN's 802.1X authentication. We also have 
Aruba Clearpass in-house for guest wireless, and have poked around at ISE a 
bit. We're weighing replacing our aging ACS environment, but as many of you 
know times are changing. When you shop for RADIUS, you have to wade through the 
fog of NAC systems because everything is getting ever more "feature rich". For 
major vendors, RADIUS is just a slice of NAC now, and since everybody "is a 
software company!" licensing can be ugly. I'm not slamming those who find value 
in the many interesting features that the likes of ISE and Clearpass offer, but 
I also can't help but be drawn to Microsoft NPS when I think about going 
forward with simple RADIUS.

Way back when, we avoided Microsoft in this role as the reporting wasn't 
particularly strong when it came time to troubleshoot clients. We *may* have 
found relief to this through Splunk, and also enjoy a robust Windows server 
environment staffed by absolutely brilliant MS-minded veteran admins.

All that being said- is anyone using NPS as their RADIUS solution for a large 
secure WLAN environment? Can you share likes, dislikes, regrets, endorsements, 
horror stories, tales of success, etc?


(Any vendor reps lurking- no, I'm not open to hearing about other RADIUS 
solutions. Please, no calls or emails)


Kind regards-

Lee Badman | CWNE #200 | Network Architect

Information Technology Services
206 Machinery Hall
120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244
t 315.443.3003   f 315.443.4325   e lhbad...@syr.edu w 
its.syr.edu
SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
syr.edu



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Re: Microsoft NPS as RADIUS for 802.1X Wi-Fi?

2016-11-16 Thread Dennis Xu

We have migrated our ACS servers to FreeRADIUS with success. We looked into NPS 
and the roadblock was the realm suffix stripping. We need to strip username 
d...@uoguelph.ca to just 'dxu' before authenticate with active directory. NPS 
only strips the outer PEAP identity but not inner identity.  Also NPS can strip 
the realm when it is running as proxy but not in local processing mode. See 
following discussion for more detail. We were seeing the exact same behavior:

https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windowsserver/en-US/e73183d4-7b2f-48a7-9246-97ed711e8e8d/eappeapmschapv2-realm-stripping?forum=winserverNAP


Dennis Xu, MASc, CCIE #13056
Analyst 3, Network Infrastructure
Computing and Communications Services(CCS)
University of Guelph

519-824-4120 Ext 56217
d...@uoguelph.ca
www.uoguelph.ca/ccs



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Lee H Badman 

Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 9:40:08 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Microsoft NPS as RADIUS for 802.1X Wi-Fi?

Hello to the awesome group.

We've used Cisco ACS with general satisfaction for many years as the RADIUS 
solution for our very, very large WLAN's 802.1X authentication. We also have 
Aruba Clearpass in-house for guest wireless, and have poked around at ISE a 
bit. We're weighing replacing our aging ACS environment, but as many of you 
know times are changing. When you shop for RADIUS, you have to wade through the 
fog of NAC systems because everything is getting ever more "feature rich". For 
major vendors, RADIUS is just a slice of NAC now, and since everybody "is a 
software company!" licensing can be ugly. I'm not slamming those who find value 
in the many interesting features that the likes of ISE and Clearpass offer, but 
I also can't help but be drawn to Microsoft NPS when I think about going 
forward with simple RADIUS.

Way back when, we avoided Microsoft in this role as the reporting wasn't 
particularly strong when it came time to troubleshoot clients. We *may* have 
found relief to this through Splunk, and also enjoy a robust Windows server 
environment staffed by absolutely brilliant MS-minded veteran admins.

All that being said- is anyone using NPS as their RADIUS solution for a large 
secure WLAN environment? Can you share likes, dislikes, regrets, endorsements, 
horror stories, tales of success, etc?


(Any vendor reps lurking- no, I'm not open to hearing about other RADIUS 
solutions. Please, no calls or emails)


Kind regards-

Lee Badman | CWNE #200 | Network Architect

Information Technology Services
206 Machinery Hall
120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244
t 315.443.3003   f 315.443.4325   e lhbad...@syr.edu w 
its.syr.edu
SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
syr.edu



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