RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cloud managed infrastructure

2017-01-17 Thread Spurgeon, Charles E 
Another consideration is what happens if you run out of budget for license 
renewals for any reason. 

 

Unlike equipment you own with a perpetual license, the cloud-based networking 
gear will stop functioning unless you feed it licensing money on regular 
intervals as evidenced by the email below.

 

-Charles

 

--

Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 16:02:49 +

From: Meraki 

Subject: Warning: Your Meraki networks will stop working tomorrow   

 

   Dear Charles Spurgeon,

 

   Thank you for being a valued Meraki customer. Our records show that your

   Meraki Cloud license has expired.

 

   If you wish to continue using your Meraki networks, you must renew your

   license immediately. If you choose not to renew, your Meraki systems will

   cease to provide network access on May 2, 2016. If you have recently made

   a Meraki purchase, please add your license key to your Dashboard account.

 

   Licensing information can be viewed here: [removed]

 

   To purchase additional licenses, please contact Meraki Sales or your

   authorized Meraki reseller. You can find contact information at

   [2]meraki.cisco.com.

 

   Please let us know if you have any questions. A [3]license expiration FAQ

   is also available on our website.

 

   Regards,

 

   The Cisco Meraki Team

 

1.https://n77.meraki.com/o/04Drhc/manage/dashboard/license_info

   2. http://meraki.cisco.com/form/contact

   3. 
https://documentation.meraki.com/zGeneral_Administration/Licensing/Licensing_FAQ

   4. https://n77.meraki.com/login/license_warning_opt_out?key=347875_04Drhc

---

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Chuck Enfield
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 9:00 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cloud managed infrastructure

 

One important consideration that was missed in regard to cloud services is what 
happens if your provider goes out of business.  I don’t mean to suggest it’s a 
show stopper, but you should ask yourself what the odds are that it will happen 
and what the consequences are if it does.

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hall, Rand
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 9:02 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cloud managed infrastructure

 

Lee's is about as good an analysis as you can get:

 

"Put another less cynical way, the cloud stuff works well when IT resources (or 
patience) are thin as it takes a few major headaches out of the equation. But 
there is no free lunch- the hidden costs of cloud managed is less features 
(this is good and bad IMO), less visibility down deep in the individual pieces, 
and as you are hinting at… a leap of faith on trusting the cloud."

 

We've run a 700 AP cloud-based deployment for 5 years with just one minor cloud 
problem early on that lasted a couple of hours with minimal practical impact. 
This is much better uptime than I can provide botching maintenance now and then.

 




   

Rand

 

Rand P. Hall

Director, Network Services askIT!

Merrimack College

978-837-3532

rand.h...@merrimack.edu  

 

If I had an hour to save the world, I would spend 55 minutes defining the 
problem and five minutes finding solutions. – Einstein 

 

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Lee H Badman  > wrote:

To add a bit to Sam’s input- running both on prem and cloud systems makes me 
thoroughly appreciate that on the cloud side, someone else is on the hook for 
care and feeding of things like the management system and the “cloud 
controller” or the “no controller” or whatever each vendor wants to call their 
magic. If the premise versions weren’t too-frequently bug-ridden, it may be a 
different story. But spending copious amounts of time keeping up system 
building blocks through their code issues makes you appreciate the cloud 
versions that just generally work.  

 

Put another less cynical way, the cloud stuff works well when IT resources (or 
patience) are thin as it takes a few major headaches out of the equation. But 
there is no free lunch- the hidden costs of cloud managed is less features 
(this is good and bad IMO), less visibility down deep in the individual pieces, 
and as you are hinting at… a leap of faith on trusting the cloud. I’ve been 
cloudy for almost 7 years at a number of small sites, and in each case it was 
absolutely the right choice.

 

But all cloud-managed systems aren’t equivalent either- my advice is to 
unequivocally trial anything that you might purchase and make sure it fits what 
you need, the way you need it. 

 

Lee Badman | CWNE #200 | Network Architect 

Information Technology Services
206 Machinery Hall
120

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cloud managed infrastructure

2017-01-17 Thread Lee H Badman 
Not to quibble, but Smartnet, etc really no different here. Everyone’s “a 
software company!” now, which has lifted the floodgates on licensing for all 
the major players- lots of time-limited examples of recurring revenue in the 
form of licensing for cloud and not. Is getting to the point where we rent WLAN 
systems, we really don’t own them.

Just my opinion as someone living in both worlds.

-Lee

Lee Badman | CWNE #200 | Network Architect

Information Technology Services
206 Machinery Hall
120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244
t 315.443.3003   f 315.443.4325   e lhbad...@syr.edu w 
its.syr.edu
SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
syr.edu

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Spurgeon, Charles E
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 4:04 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cloud managed infrastructure

Another consideration is what happens if you run out of budget for license 
renewals for any reason.

Unlike equipment you own with a perpetual license, the cloud-based networking 
gear will stop functioning unless you feed it licensing money on regular 
intervals as evidenced by the email below.

-Charles

--
Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 16:02:49 +
From: Meraki >
Subject: Warning: Your Meraki networks will stop working tomorrow

   Dear Charles Spurgeon,

   Thank you for being a valued Meraki customer. Our records show that your
   Meraki Cloud license has expired.

   If you wish to continue using your Meraki networks, you must renew your
   license immediately. If you choose not to renew, your Meraki systems will
   cease to provide network access on May 2, 2016. If you have recently made
   a Meraki purchase, please add your license key to your Dashboard account.

   Licensing information can be viewed here: [removed]

   To purchase additional licenses, please contact Meraki Sales or your
   authorized Meraki reseller. You can find contact information at
   [2]meraki.cisco.com.

   Please let us know if you have any questions. A [3]license expiration FAQ
   is also available on our website.

   Regards,

   The Cisco Meraki Team

1.https://n77.meraki.com/o/04Drhc/manage/dashboard/license_info
   2. http://meraki.cisco.com/form/contact
   3. 
https://documentation.meraki.com/zGeneral_Administration/Licensing/Licensing_FAQ
   4. https://n77.meraki.com/login/license_warning_opt_out?key=347875_04Drhc
---

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Chuck Enfield
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 9:00 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cloud managed infrastructure

One important consideration that was missed in regard to cloud services is what 
happens if your provider goes out of business.  I don’t mean to suggest it’s a 
show stopper, but you should ask yourself what the odds are that it will happen 
and what the consequences are if it does.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hall, Rand
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 9:02 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cloud managed infrastructure

Lee's is about as good an analysis as you can get:

"Put another less cynical way, the cloud stuff works well when IT resources (or 
patience) are thin as it takes a few major headaches out of the equation. But 
there is no free lunch- the hidden costs of cloud managed is less features 
(this is good and bad IMO), less visibility down deep in the individual pieces, 
and as you are hinting at… a leap of faith on trusting the cloud."

We've run a 700 AP cloud-based deployment for 5 years with just one minor cloud 
problem early on that lasted a couple of hours with minimal practical impact. 
This is much better uptime than I can provide botching maintenance now and then.



Rand

Rand P. Hall
Director, Network Services askIT!
Merrimack College
978-837-3532
rand.h...@merrimack.edu

If I had an hour to save the world, I would spend 55 minutes defining the 
problem and five minutes finding solutions. – Einstein

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Lee H Badman 
> wrote:
To add a bit to Sam’s input- running both on prem and cloud systems makes me 
thoroughly appreciate that on the cloud side, someone else is on the hook for 
care and feeding of things like the management system and the “cloud 
controller” or the “no controller” or whatever each vendor wants to call their 
magic. If the premise versions weren’t too-frequently bug-ridden, it may be a 
different story. But spending copious amounts of time keeping up system 
building blocks

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Prime 3.1.4 - 2800/3800 - Maps - b/g clients always show zero

2017-01-17 Thread Jeffrey D. Sessler 
Dennis,

Thanks for the confirmation. This will be fixed in 3.1.5 which is due in the 
next week or two. Here is the bug
https://bst.cloudapps.cisco.com/bugsearch/bug/CSCvb96800/

Jeff

From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu"  
on behalf of "d...@uoguelph.ca" 
Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 

Date: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 at 6:53 AM
To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Prime 3.1.4 - 2800/3800 - Maps - b/g clients always 
show zero


I see this issue on PI 3.1.4 as well. Just found out that b/g clients are 
displayed after I do "Refresh from network" in PI. This could be a temporary 
workaround.


Dennis Xu, MASc, CCIE #13056
Analyst 3, Network Infrastructure
Computing and Communications Services(CCS)
University of Guelph

519-824-4120 Ext 56217
d...@uoguelph.ca
www.uoguelph.ca/ccs



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Jeffrey D. Sessler 

Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 1:09 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Prime 3.1.4 - 2800/3800 - Maps - b/g clients always 
show zero


I remember the heat-map issue but it was fixed in 3.1 or one of the 3.1.x point 
releases.



Jeff



From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu"  
on behalf of "Mccormick, Kevin" 
Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 

Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 5:22 PM
To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Prime 3.1.4 - 2800/3800 - Maps - b/g clients always 
show zero



There is a bug with 2800/3800-series WAPs in prime when doing heat maps.

On our installation the b/g/n heat map will not be drawn, but the 5 Ghz works.



On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Jeffrey D. Sessler 
> wrote:

Would someone do a sanity check for me.



Prime 3.1.4 (with or without device pack 6) with 2800/3800-series WAPs.



When drilling down into a building, the b/g/n clients are properly reported at 
the building view level. If one drills down to the floor view, all 2.4Ghz (XOR) 
radios show zero (0) clients. I’m sure it’s was like this in 3.0 and 3.1 too.



I’ve opened a TAC case, and I’ve been told I’m first to report it (no bug 
open). If you happen to have Prime and the new 2800/3800’s I’d appreciate a 
double-check. Hopefully it’s not unique to me.



Best,

jeff



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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Prime 3.1.4 - 2800/3800 - Maps - b/g clients always show zero

2017-01-17 Thread Roger Wiechman 

Thanks Dennis,
However this seems to work if you are displaying only B/G/N clients
(along with associated heat maps).  If you are displaying both B/G/N
and A/N/AC clients, it does not update the B/G/N count.

Roger
Harvey Mudd College

On 1/17/2017 6:53 AM, Dennis Xu wrote:

I see this issue on PI 3.1.4 as well. Just found out that b/g
clients are displayed after I do "Refresh from network" in PI. This
could be a temporary workaround.


Dennis Xu, MASc, CCIE #13056
Analyst 3, Network Infrastructure
Computing and Communications Services(CCS)
University of Guelph

519-824-4120 Ext 56217
d...@uoguelph.ca
www.uoguelph.ca/ccs




*From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
 on behalf of Jeffrey D. Sessler

*Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 1:09 PM
*To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
*Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Prime 3.1.4 - 2800/3800 - Maps - b/g
clients always show zero


I remember the heat-map issue but it was fixed in 3.1 or one of the
3.1.x point releases.



Jeff



*From: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu"
 on behalf of "Mccormick, Kevin"

*Reply-To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu"

*Date: *Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 5:22 PM
*To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu"

*Subject: *Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Prime 3.1.4 - 2800/3800 - Maps - b/g
clients always show zero



There is a bug with 2800/3800-series WAPs in prime when doing heat maps.

On our installation the b/g/n heat map will not be drawn, but the 5 Ghz
works.



On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Jeffrey D. Sessler
> wrote:

Would someone do a sanity check for me.



Prime 3.1.4 (with or without device pack 6) with 2800/3800-series WAPs.



When drilling down into a building, the b/g/n clients are properly
reported at the building view level. If one drills down to the floor
view, all 2.4Ghz (XOR) radios show zero (0) clients. I’m sure it’s
was like this in 3.0 and 3.1 too.



I’ve opened a TAC case, and I’ve been told I’m first to report it
(no bug open). If you happen to have Prime and the new 2800/3800’s
I’d appreciate a double-check. Hopefully it’s not unique to me.



Best,

jeff



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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cloud managed infrastructure

2017-01-17 Thread Chuck Enfield 
One important consideration that was missed in regard to cloud services is 
what happens if your provider goes out of business.  I don’t mean to suggest 
it’s a show stopper, but you should ask yourself what the odds are that it 
will happen and what the consequences are if it does.



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hall, Rand
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 9:02 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cloud managed infrastructure



Lee's is about as good an analysis as you can get:



"Put another less cynical way, the cloud stuff works well when IT resources 
(or patience) are thin as it takes a few major headaches out of the 
equation. But there is no free lunch- the hidden costs of cloud managed is 
less features (this is good and bad IMO), less visibility down deep in the 
individual pieces, and as you are hinting at… a leap of faith on trusting 
the cloud."



We've run a 700 AP cloud-based deployment for 5 years with just one minor 
cloud problem early on that lasted a couple of hours with minimal practical 
impact. This is much better uptime than I can provide botching maintenance 
now and then.








Rand



Rand P. Hall

Director, Network Services askIT!

Merrimack College

978-837-3532

rand.h...@merrimack.edu 



If I had an hour to save the world, I would spend 55 minutes defining the 
problem and five minutes finding solutions. – Einstein



On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Lee H Badman  > wrote:

To add a bit to Sam’s input- running both on prem and cloud systems makes me 
thoroughly appreciate that on the cloud side, someone else is on the hook 
for care and feeding of things like the management system and the “cloud 
controller” or the “no controller” or whatever each vendor wants to call 
their magic. If the premise versions weren’t too-frequently bug-ridden, it 
may be a different story. But spending copious amounts of time keeping up 
system building blocks through their code issues makes you appreciate the 
cloud versions that just generally work.



Put another less cynical way, the cloud stuff works well when IT resources 
(or patience) are thin as it takes a few major headaches out of the 
equation. But there is no free lunch- the hidden costs of cloud managed is 
less features (this is good and bad IMO), less visibility down deep in the 
individual pieces, and as you are hinting at… a leap of faith on trusting 
the cloud. I’ve been cloudy for almost 7 years at a number of small sites, 
and in each case it was absolutely the right choice.



But all cloud-managed systems aren’t equivalent either- my advice is to 
unequivocally trial anything that you might purchase and make sure it fits 
what you need, the way you need it.



Lee Badman | CWNE #200 | Network Architect

Information Technology Services
206 Machinery Hall
120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244

t 315.443.3003 f 315.443.4325 
e   lhbad...@syr.edu w 
its.syr.edu 

SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
syr.edu 



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
 ] On Behalf Of Samuel Clements
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 12:19 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 

Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cloud managed infrastructure



Disclaimer, I work for a VAR.



Having said that, my personal opinion is that there is always a specific 
time and a place for your control plane and that's really the consideration. 
In situations where you have sites that would require low compute (typically 
smaller sites) that would be appropriate for Aruba Instant for example, 
those would be ripe for considering moving control plane to the cloud. Of 
course the big name in that space is Meraki and they have an awesome page 
over at http://meraki.com/trust - but there is a ton of space to consider 
private cloud options (in Azure/AWS for instance) with 'real Cisco', Aruba, 
Ruckus, etc - all having virtual WLCs that can play in those spaces. If your 
goal is to remove on-premises gear, in those situations where the 
architecture makes sense, there are tons of not only public cloud offerings 
(that come with their own OpEx considerations) as well as private cloud 
options that generally fit in your already preferred vendor-of-choice. This 
makes things like code-qualification, support, purchase discounts, hardware 
investment all become less of a challenge when you abstract out the 
architecture from your existing platforms today. Said differently, if 
vendor-lock in is important for your consideration, many of your existing 
APs today can be moved to the Cloud - which is of course just a

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Prime 3.1.4 - 2800/3800 - Maps - b/g clients always show zero

2017-01-17 Thread Dennis Xu 
I see this issue on PI 3.1.4 as well. Just found out that b/g clients are 
displayed after I do "Refresh from network" in PI. This could be a temporary 
workaround.


Dennis Xu, MASc, CCIE #13056
Analyst 3, Network Infrastructure
Computing and Communications Services(CCS)
University of Guelph

519-824-4120 Ext 56217
d...@uoguelph.ca
www.uoguelph.ca/ccs




From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Jeffrey D. Sessler 

Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 1:09 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Prime 3.1.4 - 2800/3800 - Maps - b/g clients always 
show zero


I remember the heat-map issue but it was fixed in 3.1 or one of the 3.1.x point 
releases.



Jeff



From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu"  
on behalf of "Mccormick, Kevin" 
Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 

Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 5:22 PM
To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Prime 3.1.4 - 2800/3800 - Maps - b/g clients always 
show zero



There is a bug with 2800/3800-series WAPs in prime when doing heat maps.

On our installation the b/g/n heat map will not be drawn, but the 5 Ghz works.



On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Jeffrey D. Sessler 
> wrote:

Would someone do a sanity check for me.



Prime 3.1.4 (with or without device pack 6) with 2800/3800-series WAPs.



When drilling down into a building, the b/g/n clients are properly reported at 
the building view level. If one drills down to the floor view, all 2.4Ghz (XOR) 
radios show zero (0) clients. I'm sure it's was like this in 3.0 and 3.1 too.



I've opened a TAC case, and I've been told I'm first to report it (no bug 
open). If you happen to have Prime and the new 2800/3800's I'd appreciate a 
double-check. Hopefully it's not unique to me.



Best,

jeff



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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cloud managed infrastructure

2017-01-17 Thread Hall, Rand 
Lee's is about as good an analysis as you can get:

"Put another less cynical way, the cloud stuff works well when IT resources
(or patience) are thin as it takes a few major headaches out of the
equation. But there is no free lunch- the hidden costs of cloud managed is
less features (this is good and bad IMO), less visibility down deep in the
individual pieces, and as you are hinting at… a leap of faith on trusting
the cloud."

We've run a 700 AP cloud-based deployment for 5 years with just one minor
cloud problem early on that lasted a couple of hours with minimal practical
impact. This is much better uptime than I can provide botching maintenance
now and then.



Rand

Rand P. Hall
Director, Network Services askIT!
Merrimack College
978-837-3532
rand.h...@merrimack.edu

If I had an hour to save the world, I would spend 55 minutes defining the
problem and five minutes finding solutions. – Einstein

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Lee H Badman  wrote:

> To add a bit to Sam’s input- running both on prem and cloud systems makes
> me thoroughly appreciate that on the cloud side, someone else is on the
> hook for care and feeding of things like the management system and the
> “cloud controller” or the “no controller” or whatever each vendor wants to
> call their magic. If the premise versions weren’t too-frequently
> bug-ridden, it may be a different story. But spending copious amounts of
> time keeping up system building blocks through their code issues makes you
> appreciate the cloud versions that just generally work.
>
>
>
> Put another less cynical way, the cloud stuff works well when IT resources
> (or patience) are thin as it takes a few major headaches out of the
> equation. But there is no free lunch- the hidden costs of cloud managed is
> less features (this is good and bad IMO), less visibility down deep in the
> individual pieces, and as you are hinting at… a leap of faith on trusting
> the cloud. I’ve been cloudy for almost 7 years at a number of small sites,
> and in each case it was absolutely the right choice.
>
>
>
> But all cloud-managed systems aren’t equivalent either- my advice is to
> unequivocally trial anything that you might purchase and make sure it fits
> what you need, the way you need it.
>
>
>
> *Lee Badman* | CWNE #200 | Network Architect
>
> Information Technology Services
> 206 Machinery Hall
> 120 Smith Drive
> Syracuse, New York 13244
>
> *t* 315.443.3003 <(315)%20443-3003>  * f* 315.443.4325 <(315)%20443-4325>
> *e* lhbad...@syr.edu *w* its.syr.edu
>
> *SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY*
> syr.edu
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Samuel Clements
> *Sent:* Friday, January 13, 2017 12:19 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cloud managed infrastructure
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> Disclaimer, I work for a VAR.
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> Having said that, my personal opinion is that there is always a specific
> time and a place for your control plane and that's really the
> consideration. In situations where you have sites that would require low
> compute (typically smaller sites) that would be appropriate for Aruba
> Instant for example, those would be ripe for considering moving control
> plane to the cloud. Of course the big name in that space is Meraki and they
> have an awesome page over at http://meraki.com/trust - but there is a ton
> of space to consider private cloud options (in Azure/AWS for instance) with
> 'real Cisco', Aruba, Ruckus, etc - all having virtual WLCs that can play in
> those spaces. If your goal is to remove on-premises gear, in those
> situations where the architecture makes sense, there are tons of not only
> public cloud offerings (that come with their own OpEx considerations) as
> well as private cloud options that generally fit in your already preferred
> vendor-of-choice. This makes things like code-qualification, support,
> purchase discounts, hardware investment all become less of a challenge when
> you abstract out the architecture from your existing platforms today. Said
> differently, if vendor-lock in is important for your consideration, many of
> your existing APs today can be moved to the Cloud - which is of course just
> a fancy word for someone else's computer. :)
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> It's still a touch on the nascent side in my opinion, but it's one that,
> for smaller sites, makes sense in a lot of environments.
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>   -Sam
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> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 10:57 AM, Dexter Caldwell <
> dexter.caldw...@furman.edu> wrote:
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> Hi Everyone,
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> I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts, concerns about
> cloud-managed AP’s, or other infrastructure devices.  Specifically do you
> have security concern?  Have any of you implemented any such solutions and
> which management model do you prefer.
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> Dexter Caldwell
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> Dir. Systems & Networks
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> Furman University
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> dexter.caldw...@furman.edu
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