Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Log Sheet Inquiry

[John Rodkey]

We used a google form for this purpose, which plunks the data into a
spreadsheet.  It can be embedded in the email, so the barriers to filling
it out are fairly low.

When we did this, we asked for email, dorm, room, and a link to the results
of a speedtest.net run, if they could connect, and noting if they couldn't
connect.  From the link we gathered ping, upload, and download speeds.  We
also asked them to go to my.meraki.com and give the access point to which
they were connected.

The intent was that any time they were having problems, they could fill out
another survey.  The date-time stamp would help us correlate to events in
the event log.

We have also initiated a proactive program of having student workers check
wireless quality at each of the floors of each building semi-weekly. For
that, we've developed a small python script that pulls the above
infomration plus connection/signal strength and GPS coordinates.  Jury is
still out on whether we will be able to identify issues this way, but
initial results are promising.

John

On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Johnson, Christopher 
wrote:

> Good Evening,
>
>
>
> I was curious if anyone had created their own “Wireless Log Sheet
> Template” that they provide to end-users that run into wireless issues and
> may be willing to share? An RA had given me the idea awhile back when she
> went around to everyone on her floor for information gathering on a notepad
> (user name, room number, device, wireless rating [X out of 10[). I’m
> planning on creating a formatted excel sheet that I can send to the user to
> have them fill out over a course of a couple days with columns/rows along
> the lines of - –date/time, device, with issue experienced -> slow,
> disconnected, disconnected-couldn’t reconnect, etc.
>
>
>
> Thank you and have a great evening!
>
>
>
> *Christopher Johnson*
>
> Wireless Network Engineer
>
> AT Infrastructure Operations & Networking (ION)
>
> Illinois State University
>
> (309) 438-8444
>
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Wireless Log Sheet Inquiry

[Johnson, Christopher]

Good Evening,

I was curious if anyone had created their own "Wireless Log Sheet Template" 
that they provide to end-users that run into wireless issues and may be willing 
to share? An RA had given me the idea awhile back when she went around to 
everyone on her floor for information gathering on a notepad (user name, room 
number, device, wireless rating [X out of 10[). I'm planning on creating a 
formatted excel sheet that I can send to the user to have them fill out over a 
course of a couple days with columns/rows along the lines of - -date/time, 
device, with issue experienced -> slow, disconnected, disconnected-couldn't 
reconnect, etc.

Thank you and have a great evening!

Christopher Johnson
Wireless Network Engineer
AT Infrastructure Operations & Networking (ION)
Illinois State University
(309) 438-8444
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Facebook and 
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] IPv6 drains battery of mobile devices?

[Curtis, Bruce]

> On Oct 9, 2017, at 1:26 AM, Frans Panken  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Bruce for the nice overview and +1 for the last remark.
> 
> A search for battery drain and IPv6 gives you tons of hits. I tested the RA 
> myth one year ago by two SSIDs with different RAs (1 SSID with 500 RA/h and 
> the other 30/h). Outcome: hardly any effect. (inspite of the RFC on this 
> topic where Cisco and Google blame IPv6: 
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7772.txt)
> 
> My experience is that mainly Samsung devices (upto but not including the S7) 
> suffer from battery drain with IPv6. I saw no significant effects on iPhones, 
> HTC devices and windows phones. I found an article that confirm this, blaming 
> Samsung for choosing their own firmware and doing a bad job (sorry, cannot 
> find the article any more). 
> 
> See also: https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/36949115
> -Frans 

  The March 2 2016 entry on the bottom of the Google issue tracker page  
mentions the Samsung issue.

These two articles give more history and detail.

https://lists.gt.net/nsp/ipv6/54641

http://commandline.ninja/2014/01/02/samsung-galaxy-s4-ipv6-borked/

I’m glad Samsung seems to have fixed the issue in S7 and later.



> On 06/10/2017, 18:34, "The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group 
> Listserv on behalf of Curtis, Bruce"  behalf of bruce.cur...@ndsu.edu> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> This is an issue with the configuration on that particular WiFi network and 
>> not an architectural issue with IPv6.
>> 
>> http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/why-your-smartphone-battery-being-drained-google-cisco-blame-ipv6-network-misconfiguration-1544393
>> 
>> 
>> IPv4 with NAT does have some architectural issues.
>> 
>> https://www.computerworld.com/article/2494064/internet/ipv6-can-boost-mobile-performance--battery-life--proponents-say.html
>> 
>> 
>> Measurements on properly configured networks show little difference in 
>> power.  But these measurements were during active use.
>> 
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-petrescu-v6ops-ipv6-power-ipv4-00
>> 
>> 
>> Cloudfare’s view:
>> 
>> "That means that a v6-only mobile phone (looking at you, T-Mobile users) can 
>> establish a clean path to any site or mobile app behind Cloudflare instead 
>> of doing an expensive 464XLAT protocol translation as part of the connection 
>> (shaving milliseconds and conserving very precious battery life)."
>> 
>> https://blog.cloudflare.com/always-on-ipv6/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> https://blog.wirelessmoves.com/2008/03/why-ipv6-will-b.html
>> 
>> Check out the slide titled “IPv6 brings savings in battery life” about 8 
>> minutes into the video.
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5RbyK0m5OY
>> 
>> 
>> Another RFC for network administrators.
>> 
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7772
>> 
>> 
>> So if you find that a specific WiFi network accelerates battery drain send 
>> some of the info mentioned in this thread to your local WiFi network 
>> administrators but don’t tell the world to turn off IPv6.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 6, 2017, at 7:32 AM, Mike King  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So I saw this on Reddit this morning. What do you guys think of this?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/LifeProTips/comments/74jt7s/lpt_if_youre_in_student_halls_campus_or_hotel/
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>> Bruce Curtis bruce.cur...@ndsu.edu
>> Certified NetAnalyst II701-231-8527
>> North Dakota State University
>> 
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Portable Power for Mesh APs

[James Helzerman]

Around 6 hours.

-Jimmy

On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Chris Adams (IT) 
wrote:

> It looks like this is for temporary use, but what kind of runtimes are you
> getting from this unit with a WAP attached?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Chris Adams
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *James Helzerman
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 7, 2017 10:28 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Portable Power for Mesh APs
>
>
>
> Either or.  Looking to see if anyone else has done this type of thing.  I
> was trying to find alternatives that are either cheaper or have a
> multi-purpose ability so its not a one time use.
>
>
>
> We use this for site surveys but is about $250 each and is only useful for
> PoE.  It works very well and is nice to have the ethernet port pass
> through, unfortunately surveys or temp installations are its only useful
> purpose for me.  For the temp event I would need 10-15 units.
>
>
>
> https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1220949-REG/
> veracity_vad_psp_pointsource_plus_battery_powered.html
>
>
>
> -Jimmy
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 9:59 PM, GT Hill  wrote:
>
> Are you looking for a complete solution or a less expensive DIY?
>
>
>
> GT
>
>
>
> *From: *The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of James Helzerman <
> jarh...@umich.edu>
> *Reply-To: *The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Date: *Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 8:20 PM
> *To: *
> *Subject: *[WIRELESS-LAN] Portable Power for Mesh APs
>
>
>
> Hi.  Is anyone using portable power for temporary Mesh APs?  If so what
> model device are you using?  Ie portable jump starter with AC outlets,
> portable battery pack with 802.3at power, etc.
>
>
>
> We have an event coming up and are looking at different ways to provide
> power to access points for 6 hours that will connect via Mesh.  Some
> locations will have multiple access points so a single power source that
> has multiple outlets / connections would be ideal.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> -Jimmy
>
>
>
> --
>
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> Wireless Network Engineer
> University of Michigan - ITS
>
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless services in your Stadiums and Arenas

[Moore, Brandon]

I’m curious of how the installation went and would like to discuss off list if 
possible.

Brandon
moo...@ecu.edu


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Francis
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 8:36 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless services in your Stadiums and Arenas

Hi Troy,
We are wrapping up our install using Cisco and would be more than happy to 
discuss it off-list.

Thanks


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
on behalf of "Osborne, Bruce W (Network Operations)" 
mailto:bosbo...@liberty.edu>>
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Date: Monday, October 9, 2017 at 7:51 AM
To: 
"WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless services in your Stadiums and Arenas

We are designing our football stadium wireless using HPE/Aruba Networks Large 
Public Venue expertise.

There is some more information here. http://www.arubanetworks.com/solutions/lpv/

Feel free to contact me off-list and I can connect you with our wireless 
network architect.

Bruce Osborne
Senior Network Engineer
Network Operations - Wireless
 (434) 592-4229
LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
Training Champions for Christ since 1971

From: Wesley Troy Scott [mailto:tsc...@uwyo.edu]
Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 3:26 PM
Subject: Wireless services in your Stadiums and Arenas


Hello,



The University of Wyoming is looking at expanding the wireless services at our 
stadium and arena to cover fans. Today access is limited and focused on 
operations like press, ticketing and concessions. At a big game cell can't take 
the load, fans get nothing, so we're looking at solutions to the problem.



These deployments are different than what we do elsewhere on campus and I know 
some of you can speak from experience on the topic. We have questions on all 
sorts of things but the design consideration that keeps coming up right now is 
how should we provision students, faculty and staff during a game as compared 
to the other fans?



The approaches we've discussed include floating our standard authenticated 
wireless network for their usage during a game, a different authenticated 
network but the same role or a single network for all fans regardless of their 
University affiliation. We're familiar with the design that's out there, an in 
venue authenticated network and an open network and sorting all of the 
different users out behind the scenes. We think all of these approaches have 
pros and cons.



I'm wondering what you chose to do based on your requirements and how has it 
worked for you? If you'd like to chat about wireless in large public venues 
generally I'd be glad to get advice from folks that have been down that road.



Thanks,



Troy
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless services in your Stadiums and Arenas

[Charles Francis]

Hi Troy,
We are wrapping up our install using Cisco and would be more than happy to 
discuss it off-list.

Thanks

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 on behalf of "Osborne, Bruce W (Network 
Operations)" 
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 

Date: Monday, October 9, 2017 at 7:51 AM
To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless services in your Stadiums and Arenas

We are designing our football stadium wireless using HPE/Aruba Networks Large 
Public Venue expertise.

There is some more information here. http://www.arubanetworks.com/solutions/lpv/

Feel free to contact me off-list and I can connect you with our wireless 
network architect.

Bruce Osborne
Senior Network Engineer
Network Operations - Wireless
 (434) 592-4229
LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
Training Champions for Christ since 1971

From: Wesley Troy Scott [mailto:tsc...@uwyo.edu]
Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 3:26 PM
Subject: Wireless services in your Stadiums and Arenas


Hello,



The University of Wyoming is looking at expanding the wireless services at our 
stadium and arena to cover fans. Today access is limited and focused on 
operations like press, ticketing and concessions. At a big game cell can't take 
the load, fans get nothing, so we're looking at solutions to the problem.



These deployments are different than what we do elsewhere on campus and I know 
some of you can speak from experience on the topic. We have questions on all 
sorts of things but the design consideration that keeps coming up right now is 
how should we provision students, faculty and staff during a game as compared 
to the other fans?



The approaches we've discussed include floating our standard authenticated 
wireless network for their usage during a game, a different authenticated 
network but the same role or a single network for all fans regardless of their 
University affiliation. We're familiar with the design that's out there, an in 
venue authenticated network and an open network and sorting all of the 
different users out behind the scenes. We think all of these approaches have 
pros and cons.



I'm wondering what you chose to do based on your requirements and how has it 
worked for you? If you'd like to chat about wireless in large public venues 
generally I'd be glad to get advice from folks that have been down that road.



Thanks,



Troy
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RE: Wireless services in your Stadiums and Arenas

[Osborne, Bruce W (Network Operations)]

We are designing our football stadium wireless using HPE/Aruba Networks Large 
Public Venue expertise.

There is some more information here. http://www.arubanetworks.com/solutions/lpv/

Feel free to contact me off-list and I can connect you with our wireless 
network architect.

Bruce Osborne
Senior Network Engineer
Network Operations - Wireless
 (434) 592-4229
LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
Training Champions for Christ since 1971

From: Wesley Troy Scott [mailto:tsc...@uwyo.edu]
Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 3:26 PM
Subject: Wireless services in your Stadiums and Arenas


Hello,



The University of Wyoming is looking at expanding the wireless services at our 
stadium and arena to cover fans. Today access is limited and focused on 
operations like press, ticketing and concessions. At a big game cell can't take 
the load, fans get nothing, so we're looking at solutions to the problem.



These deployments are different than what we do elsewhere on campus and I know 
some of you can speak from experience on the topic. We have questions on all 
sorts of things but the design consideration that keeps coming up right now is 
how should we provision students, faculty and staff during a game as compared 
to the other fans?



The approaches we've discussed include floating our standard authenticated 
wireless network for their usage during a game, a different authenticated 
network but the same role or a single network for all fans regardless of their 
University affiliation. We're familiar with the design that's out there, an in 
venue authenticated network and an open network and sorting all of the 
different users out behind the scenes. We think all of these approaches have 
pros and cons.



I'm wondering what you chose to do based on your requirements and how has it 
worked for you? If you'd like to chat about wireless in large public venues 
generally I'd be glad to get advice from folks that have been down that road.



Thanks,



Troy
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