RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
Hi Neil, One of our Apple-minded staff has it working well. Lee Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com) -Original Message- From: Johnson, Neil M [neil-john...@uiowa.edu] Received: Thursday, 13 Mar 2014, 13:01 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi There has been an update to an article that explains devices must support Bluetooth 4.0. That means you must have a 3rd gen Apple TV and later generations of iPads and iPhones.\ I don't have a 3rd gen ATV to test in our lab, so I'm waiting on someone else to verity. -Neil On Mar 13, 2014, at 8:52 AM, Peter P Morrissey ppmor...@syr.edumailto:ppmor...@syr.edu wrote: I would agree, except for the fact that Apple chose to promote these devices in their ads to be used in conference rooms. -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:l...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Hanset, Philippe C Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 10:21 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi Apple is not innocent, but let's not forget that those AppleTVs and other Bonjour enabled devices were really intended for home usage initially. The fact that faculty use it in the classroom or students use it in the dormitories is a side effect of its success. NetBEUI and IPX were killing our networks and they claimed to be for the enterprise! (sorry I had to bring those monsters out of the closet) Philippe Philippe Hanset www.eduroam.ushttp://www.eduroam.us On Mar 12, 2014, at 9:58 PM, Frank Bulk frnk...@iname.com wrote: One thing about application adoption is that you don't want to have to force the network to change if you want mass adoption. Better to design the application around the existing network paradigms. Frank -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Dan Brisson Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 7:51 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi Yah, or the router vendors will need to do some fancy inspection to watch for the initial TCP connection that gets made so it knows to let the UDP connection back in. Like for FTP and the other protocols that behave in a similar manner. -dan Dan Brisson Network Engineer University of Vermont (Ph) 802.656.8111 dbris...@uvm.edu On 3/12/14, 8:21 PM, Frank Bulk wrote: Interesting. I wonder if Apple could address that NAT issue by sending the traffic from the opposite direction, essentially punching a hole in the NAT so that bi-directional communication could be established. Frank -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Dan Brisson Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 3:20 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi I can confirm that NAT does throw this for a loop. This morning I tried connecting my iPhone 5S that was behind a NAT device to an AppleTV on the other side. I could see the AppleTV in the AirPlay list, I could select it but then it wouldn't complete the mirroring. It would just default back to the iPhone option. I did a packet capture and found that the AppleTV was trying to open up a UDP stream to my iPhone, presumably for audio, and the NAT device was not letting the UDP packet in. Apparently if the UDP stream doesn't get established, the devices will just give up. -dan Dan Brisson Network Engineer University of Vermont (Ph) 802.656.8111 dbris...@uvm.edu On 3/12/14, 4:14 PM, Julian Y Koh wrote: On Wed Mar 12 2014 15:11:34 CDT, Julian Y Koh kohs...@northwestern.edu wrote: I don't think that all AppleTV units have Bluetooth. I'm not exactly sure which revs do or don't offhand unfortunately. Another thing is that I would imagine that both the iOS device and the AppleTV need to be able to reach each other directly using unicast. So if the AppleTV is behind a NAT device with respect to the iOS device, or if you have somehow blocked unicast traffic between clients on your wireless network, you might be able to do the discovery via Bluetooh but not actually stream any traffic. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
Have not done it myself yet, but a computing staff member here has it going nicely, with little effort. Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com) -Original Message- From: Matt Williams [mcw...@bucknell.edu] Received: Wednesday, 12 Mar 2014, 16:03 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi Has anyone else had an issue getting the iPad to pair with the AppleTV via BlueTooth? I've udpated both to the required versions, but they both just sit there spinning their wheels when trying to discover. Respectfully, Matthew Will Williams Assistant Director, Networking Bucknell University 570.577.1491 On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Jason Heffner jdh...@psu.edumailto:jdh...@psu.edu wrote: I’ve not seen anything in OSX yet, but I’ve not installed the very latest 10.9.3 update. I came across the bluetooth discovery in iOS when I was testing out the beta. It hasn’t gotten any hype and was hoping that it would be leaked so I could talk about before it was released. We talked about doing the same thing with Bluetooth LE, then held off since Apple was going to release it. On Mar 11, 2014, at 2:32 PM, Hurt,Trenton W. trent.h...@louisville.edumailto:trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: Seems to be that way I can’t get my osx to see the apple tv but can see it from iOS 7.1 devices via Bluetooth. Here is different website with some screens of doing airplay via Bluetooth http://www.afp548.com/2014/03/10/hidden-airplay-feature-in-the-appletv-6-1-ios-7-1-update/ From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Sessler Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 2:21 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi I'll bet support in 10.9 will be in the next patch. I don't think Apple even mentions this new feature in the release notes. Jeff On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 at 11:13 AM, in message 108be36f63e8cc4c8c84a5dce1c0d2a1b33c7...@exmbx07.ad.louisville.edumailto:108be36f63e8cc4c8c84a5dce1c0d2a1b33c7...@exmbx07.ad.louisville.edu, Hurt,Trenton W. trent.h...@louisville.edumailto:trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: Have you been able to get an osx 10.9 to see the apple tv via Bluetooth? -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jason Heffner Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:48 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi Apple just released discovery over bluetooth in iOS 6.1. This is a major hurdle for most institutions as it no longer requires bonjour for discovery but instead relies on bluetooth. I've tested it and it works well. I wonder if they will add this support into OSX soon. http://gadgets.ndtv.com/tv/news/apple-tv-61-update-brings-airplay-security-option-discovery-over-bluetooth-and-more-494249 This certainly doesn't invalidate our work on our Mirror App, but for some it may be the missing piece which we were also providing. Mirror will also allow you to use AirServer and provides a way to connect to AppleTVs from remote locations. Either way, it's about time Apple! Jason On Jan 16, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Jason Heffner jdh...@psu.edumailto:jdh...@psu.edu wrote: Hi everyone, We took a slightly different approach to solve our issue with the AppleTV specifically at Penn State. We do have a Doceri deployment but recently we have released a PSU Airplay iOS enterprise app to allow mirroring to AppleTVs w/o having bonjour enabled. Since I saw this topic come up I thought it was a good time to share. If interested you can find out more on a recent blog entry I wrote up on the specifics. http://sites.psu.edu/jasonheffner/2014/01/10/airplay-without-bonjour-o n-enterprise-wireless-networks/ Thanks, Jason p: (814) 865-1840tel:%28814%29%20865-1840, c: (814) 777-7665tel:%28814%29%20777-7665 Systems Administrator Teaching and Learning with Technology, Information Technology Services The Pennsylvania State University On Jan 16, 2014, at 11:19 AM, Tim Cappalli cappa...@brandeis.edumailto:cappa...@brandeis.edu wrote: Yes, ClearPass and AirGroup allows a user to define up to 10 other users that can see their personal device. image001.png Tim Cappalli | ACCP / ACMP / CCNA Network Engineer | Brandeis University cappa...@brandeis.edumailto:cappa...@brandeis.edu | (617) 701-7149tel:%28617%29%20701-7149 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of James Andrewartha Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:23 AM
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
The AppleTV doesn’t need to paired via bluetooth. What is necessary for bluetooth discovery. AppleTV: AppleTV 6.1 software update. You can install this through the updates menu. An active connection to a network. iPad: iOS 7.1 and an active network connection accessible to the AppleTV to verify connectivity. Bluetooth enabled. Once these two are met the AppleTV will be displayed the control center on the iPad for mirroring. I don’t know all the technical specifics of how the connection is made or how the bluetooth is sent and picked up by the iPad. Perhaps someone will pull it completely apart soon enough. Jason On Mar 12, 2014, at 4:02 PM, Matt Williams mcw...@bucknell.edu wrote: Has anyone else had an issue getting the iPad to pair with the AppleTV via BlueTooth? I've udpated both to the required versions, but they both just sit there spinning their wheels when trying to discover. Respectfully, Matthew Will Williams Assistant Director, Networking Bucknell University 570.577.1491 On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Jason Heffner jdh...@psu.edu wrote: I’ve not seen anything in OSX yet, but I’ve not installed the very latest 10.9.3 update. I came across the bluetooth discovery in iOS when I was testing out the beta. It hasn’t gotten any hype and was hoping that it would be leaked so I could talk about before it was released. We talked about doing the same thing with Bluetooth LE, then held off since Apple was going to release it. On Mar 11, 2014, at 2:32 PM, Hurt,Trenton W. trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: Seems to be that way I can’t get my osx to see the apple tv but can see it from iOS 7.1 devices via Bluetooth. Here is different website with some screens of doing airplay via Bluetooth http://www.afp548.com/2014/03/10/hidden-airplay-feature-in-the-appletv-6-1-ios-7-1-update/ From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Sessler Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 2:21 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi I'll bet support in 10.9 will be in the next patch. I don't think Apple even mentions this new feature in the release notes. Jeff On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 at 11:13 AM, in message 108be36f63e8cc4c8c84a5dce1c0d2a1b33c7...@exmbx07.ad.louisville.edu, Hurt,Trenton W. trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: Have you been able to get an osx 10.9 to see the apple tv via Bluetooth? -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jason Heffner Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:48 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi Apple just released discovery over bluetooth in iOS 6.1. This is a major hurdle for most institutions as it no longer requires bonjour for discovery but instead relies on bluetooth. I've tested it and it works well. I wonder if they will add this support into OSX soon. http://gadgets.ndtv.com/tv/news/apple-tv-61-update-brings-airplay-security-option-discovery-over-bluetooth-and-more-494249 This certainly doesn't invalidate our work on our Mirror App, but for some it may be the missing piece which we were also providing. Mirror will also allow you to use AirServer and provides a way to connect to AppleTVs from remote locations. Either way, it's about time Apple! Jason On Jan 16, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Jason Heffner jdh...@psu.edu wrote: Hi everyone, We took a slightly different approach to solve our issue with the AppleTV specifically at Penn State. We do have a Doceri deployment but recently we have released a PSU Airplay iOS enterprise app to allow mirroring to AppleTVs w/o having bonjour enabled. Since I saw this topic come up I thought it was a good time to share. If interested you can find out more on a recent blog entry I wrote up on the specifics. http://sites.psu.edu/jasonheffner/2014/01/10/airplay-without-bonjour-o n-enterprise-wireless-networks/ Thanks, Jason p: (814) 865-1840, c: (814) 777-7665 Systems Administrator Teaching and Learning with Technology, Information Technology Services The Pennsylvania State University On Jan 16, 2014, at 11:19 AM, Tim Cappalli cappa...@brandeis.edu wrote: Yes, ClearPass and AirGroup allows a user to define up to 10 other users that can see their personal device. image001.png Tim Cappalli | ACCP / ACMP / CCNA Network Engineer | Brandeis University cappa...@brandeis.edu | (617) 701-7149 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of James Andrewartha Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:23 AM
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
What version of ipad are you using? I tried it with an ipad 2 running latest ios with apple tv 3rd gen with latest os and couldn't get it to find the apple tv via airplay. It does work with ipad 3 and above. Also you don't really pair the device, it just discovers the apple tv over bluetooth. --- Craig Pluchinsky IT Services Indiana University of Pennsylvania 724-357-3327 On Wed, 12 Mar 2014, Matt Williams wrote: Has anyone else had an issue getting the iPad to pair with the AppleTV via BlueTooth? I've udpated both to the required versions, but they both just sit there spinning their wheels when trying to discover. Respectfully, Matthew Will Williams Assistant Director, Networking Bucknell University 570.577.1491 On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Jason Heffner jdh...@psu.edu wrote: I’ve not seen anything in OSX yet, but I’ve not installed the very latest 10.9.3 update. I came across the bluetooth discovery in iOS when I was testing out the beta. It hasn’t gotten any hype and was hoping that it would be leaked so I could talk about before it was released. We talked about doing the same thing with Bluetooth LE, then held off since Apple was going to release it. On Mar 11, 2014, at 2:32 PM, Hurt,Trenton W. trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: Seems to be that way I can’t get my osx to see the apple tv but can see it from iOS 7.1 devices via Bluetooth. Here is different website with some screens of doing airplay via Bluetooth http://www.afp548.com/2014/03/10/hidden-airplay-feature-in-the-appletv-6-1-ios-7-1-update/ From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Sessler Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 2:21 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi I'll bet support in 10.9 will be in the next patch. I don't think Apple even mentions this new feature in the release notes. Jeff On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 at 11:13 AM, in message 108be36f63e8cc4c8c84a5dce1c0d2a1b33c7...@exmbx07.ad.louisville.edu, Hurt,Trenton W. trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: Have you been able to get an osx 10.9 to see the apple tv via Bluetooth? -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jason Heffner Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:48 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi Apple just released discovery over bluetooth in iOS 6.1. This is a major hurdle for most institutions as it no longer requires bonjour for discovery but instead relies on bluetooth. I've tested it and it works well. I wonder if they will add this support into OSX soon. http://gadgets.ndtv.com/tv/news/apple-tv-61-update-brings-airplay-security-option-discovery-over-bluetooth-and-more-494249 This certainly doesn't invalidate our work on our Mirror App, but for some it may be the missing piece which we were also providing. Mirror will also allow you to use AirServer and provides a way to connect to AppleTVs from remote locations. Either way, it's about time Apple! Jason On Jan 16, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Jason Heffner jdh...@psu.edu wrote: Hi everyone, We took a slightly different approach to solve our issue with the AppleTV specifically at Penn State. We do have a Doceri deployment but recently we have released a PSU Airplay iOS enterprise app to allow mirroring to AppleTVs w/o having bonjour enabled. Since I saw this topic come up I thought it was a good time to share. If interested you can find out more on a recent blog entry I wrote up on the specifics. http://sites.psu.edu/jasonheffner/2014/01/10/airplay-without-bonjour-o n-enterprise-wireless-networks/ Thanks, Jason p: (814) 865-1840, c: (814) 777-7665 Systems Administrator Teaching and Learning with Technology, Information Technology Services The Pennsylvania State University On Jan 16, 2014, at 11:19 AM, Tim Cappalli cappa...@brandeis.edu wrote: Yes, ClearPass and AirGroup allows a user to define up to 10 other users that can see their personal device. image001.png Tim Cappalli | ACCP / ACMP / CCNA Network Engineer | Brandeis University cappa...@brandeis.edu | (617) 701-7149 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of James Andrewartha Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:23 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi Hi Bruce, On 16/01/14 8:50 PM, Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services) bosbo...@liberty.edu wrote: You said, Sure, I wish you could drop Apple
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
Thanks for the information, everyone. I have an ipad2 and i don't even know what generation the appletv is (its a loaner from another department). I'll get my hands on a newer ipad and try again. Respectfully, Matthew Will Williams Assistant Director, Networking Bucknell University 570.577.1491 On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Craig Pluchinsky cra...@iup.edu wrote: What version of ipad are you using? I tried it with an ipad 2 running latest ios with apple tv 3rd gen with latest os and couldn't get it to find the apple tv via airplay. It does work with ipad 3 and above. Also you don't really pair the device, it just discovers the apple tv over bluetooth. --- Craig Pluchinsky IT Services Indiana University of Pennsylvania 724-357-3327 On Wed, 12 Mar 2014, Matt Williams wrote: Has anyone else had an issue getting the iPad to pair with the AppleTV via BlueTooth? I've udpated both to the required versions, but they both just sit there spinning their wheels when trying to discover. Respectfully, Matthew Will Williams Assistant Director, Networking Bucknell University 570.577.1491 On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Jason Heffner jdh...@psu.edu wrote: I've not seen anything in OSX yet, but I've not installed the very latest 10.9.3 update. I came across the bluetooth discovery in iOS when I was testing out the beta. It hasn't gotten any hype and was hoping that it would be leaked so I could talk about before it was released. We talked about doing the same thing with Bluetooth LE, then held off since Apple was going to release it. On Mar 11, 2014, at 2:32 PM, Hurt,Trenton W. trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: Seems to be that way I can't get my osx to see the apple tv but can see it from iOS 7.1 devices via Bluetooth. Here is different website with some screens of doing airplay via Bluetooth http://www.afp548.com/2014/03/10/hidden-airplay-feature-in- the-appletv-6-1-ios-7-1-update/ From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Sessler Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 2:21 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi I'll bet support in 10.9 will be in the next patch. I don't think Apple even mentions this new feature in the release notes. Jeff On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 at 11:13 AM, in message 108be36f63e8cc4c8c84a5dce1c0d2a1b33c7...@exmbx07.ad.louisville.edu, Hurt,Trenton W. trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: Have you been able to get an osx 10.9 to see the apple tv via Bluetooth? -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jason Heffner Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:48 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi Apple just released discovery over bluetooth in iOS 6.1. This is a major hurdle for most institutions as it no longer requires bonjour for discovery but instead relies on bluetooth. I've tested it and it works well. I wonder if they will add this support into OSX soon. http://gadgets.ndtv.com/tv/news/apple-tv-61-update- brings-airplay-security-option-discovery-over-bluetooth-and-more-494249 This certainly doesn't invalidate our work on our Mirror App, but for some it may be the missing piece which we were also providing. Mirror will also allow you to use AirServer and provides a way to connect to AppleTVs from remote locations. Either way, it's about time Apple! Jason On Jan 16, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Jason Heffner jdh...@psu.edu wrote: Hi everyone, We took a slightly different approach to solve our issue with the AppleTV specifically at Penn State. We do have a Doceri deployment but recently we have released a PSU Airplay iOS enterprise app to allow mirroring to AppleTVs w/o having bonjour enabled. Since I saw this topic come up I thought it was a good time to share. If interested you can find out more on a recent blog entry I wrote up on the specifics. http://sites.psu.edu/jasonheffner/2014/01/10/airplay-without-bonjour-o n-enterprise-wireless-networks/ Thanks, Jason p: (814) 865-1840, c: (814) 777-7665 Systems Administrator Teaching and Learning with Technology, Information Technology Services The Pennsylvania State University On Jan 16, 2014, at 11:19 AM, Tim Cappalli cappa...@brandeis.edu wrote: Yes, ClearPass and AirGroup allows a user to define up to 10 other users that can see their personal device. image001.png Tim Cappalli | ACCP / ACMP / CCNA Network Engineer | Brandeis University cappa...@brandeis.edu | (617) 701-7149 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
On Wed Mar 12 2014 15:09:36 CDT, Jason Heffner jdh...@psu.edu wrote: AppleTV: AppleTV 6.1 software update. You can install this through the updates menu. An active connection to a network. iPad: iOS 7.1 and an active network connection accessible to the AppleTV to verify connectivity. Bluetooth enabled. I don’t think that all AppleTV units have Bluetooth. I’m not exactly sure which revs do or don’t offhand unfortunately. -- Julian Y. Koh Acting Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services Northwestern University Information Technology (NUIT) 2001 Sheridan Road #G-166 Evanston, IL 60208 847-467-5780 NUIT Web Site: http://www.it.northwestern.edu/ PGP Public Key:http://bt.ittns.northwestern.edu/julian/pgppubkey.html ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
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On Wed Mar 12 2014 15:11:34 CDT, Julian Y Koh kohs...@northwestern.edu wrote: I don’t think that all AppleTV units have Bluetooth. I’m not exactly sure which revs do or don’t offhand unfortunately. Another thing is that I would imagine that both the iOS device and the AppleTV need to be able to reach each other directly using unicast. So if the AppleTV is behind a NAT device with respect to the iOS device, or if you have somehow blocked unicast traffic between clients on your wireless network, you might be able to do the discovery via Bluetooh but not actually stream any traffic. -- Julian Y. Koh Acting Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services Northwestern University Information Technology (NUIT) 2001 Sheridan Road #G-166 Evanston, IL 60208 847-467-5780 NUIT Web Site: http://www.it.northwestern.edu/ PGP Public Key:http://bt.ittns.northwestern.edu/julian/pgppubkey.html ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
I can confirm that NAT does throw this for a loop. This morning I tried connecting my iPhone 5S that was behind a NAT device to an AppleTV on the other side. I could see the AppleTV in the AirPlay list, I could select it but then it wouldn't complete the mirroring. It would just default back to the iPhone option. I did a packet capture and found that the AppleTV was trying to open up a UDP stream to my iPhone, presumably for audio, and the NAT device was not letting the UDP packet in. Apparently if the UDP stream doesn't get established, the devices will just give up. -dan Dan Brisson Network Engineer University of Vermont (Ph) 802.656.8111 dbris...@uvm.edu On 3/12/14, 4:14 PM, Julian Y Koh wrote: On Wed Mar 12 2014 15:11:34 CDT, Julian Y Koh kohs...@northwestern.edu wrote: I don’t think that all AppleTV units have Bluetooth. I’m not exactly sure which revs do or don’t offhand unfortunately. Another thing is that I would imagine that both the iOS device and the AppleTV need to be able to reach each other directly using unicast. So if the AppleTV is behind a NAT device with respect to the iOS device, or if you have somehow blocked unicast traffic between clients on your wireless network, you might be able to do the discovery via Bluetooh but not actually stream any traffic. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
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I’ve found the bluetooth discovery doesn’t work if the iPad can’t see the AppleTV over unicast. It must make a call to check connectivity after getting the bluetooth broadcast. On Mar 12, 2014, at 4:14 PM, Julian Y Koh kohs...@northwestern.edu wrote: On Wed Mar 12 2014 15:11:34 CDT, Julian Y Koh kohs...@northwestern.edu wrote: I don’t think that all AppleTV units have Bluetooth. I’m not exactly sure which revs do or don’t offhand unfortunately. Another thing is that I would imagine that both the iOS device and the AppleTV need to be able to reach each other directly using unicast. So if the AppleTV is behind a NAT device with respect to the iOS device, or if you have somehow blocked unicast traffic between clients on your wireless network, you might be able to do the discovery via Bluetooh but not actually stream any traffic. -- Julian Y. Koh Acting Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services Northwestern University Information Technology (NUIT) 2001 Sheridan Road #G-166 Evanston, IL 60208 847-467-5780 NUIT Web Site: http://www.it.northwestern.edu/ PGP Public Key:http://bt.ittns.northwestern.edu/julian/pgppubkey.html ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
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Thanks. We don't have any NAT in the way and I can ping the AppleTV from the iPad. Respectfully, Matthew Will Williams Assistant Director, Networking Bucknell University 570.577.1491 On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Dan Brisson dbris...@uvm.edu wrote: I can confirm that NAT does throw this for a loop. This morning I tried connecting my iPhone 5S that was behind a NAT device to an AppleTV on the other side. I could see the AppleTV in the AirPlay list, I could select it but then it wouldn't complete the mirroring. It would just default back to the iPhone option. I did a packet capture and found that the AppleTV was trying to open up a UDP stream to my iPhone, presumably for audio, and the NAT device was not letting the UDP packet in. Apparently if the UDP stream doesn't get established, the devices will just give up. -dan Dan Brisson Network Engineer University of Vermont (Ph) 802.656.8111 dbris...@uvm.edu On 3/12/14, 4:14 PM, Julian Y Koh wrote: On Wed Mar 12 2014 15:11:34 CDT, Julian Y Koh kohs...@northwestern.edu wrote: I don't think that all AppleTV units have Bluetooth. I'm not exactly sure which revs do or don't offhand unfortunately. Another thing is that I would imagine that both the iOS device and the AppleTV need to be able to reach each other directly using unicast. So if the AppleTV is behind a NAT device with respect to the iOS device, or if you have somehow blocked unicast traffic between clients on your wireless network, you might be able to do the discovery via Bluetooh but not actually stream any traffic. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
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One thing about application adoption is that you don't want to have to force the network to change if you want mass adoption. Better to design the application around the existing network paradigms. Frank -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Dan Brisson Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 7:51 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi Yah, or the router vendors will need to do some fancy inspection to watch for the initial TCP connection that gets made so it knows to let the UDP connection back in. Like for FTP and the other protocols that behave in a similar manner. -dan Dan Brisson Network Engineer University of Vermont (Ph) 802.656.8111 dbris...@uvm.edu On 3/12/14, 8:21 PM, Frank Bulk wrote: Interesting. I wonder if Apple could address that NAT issue by sending the traffic from the opposite direction, essentially punching a hole in the NAT so that bi-directional communication could be established. Frank -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Dan Brisson Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 3:20 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi I can confirm that NAT does throw this for a loop. This morning I tried connecting my iPhone 5S that was behind a NAT device to an AppleTV on the other side. I could see the AppleTV in the AirPlay list, I could select it but then it wouldn't complete the mirroring. It would just default back to the iPhone option. I did a packet capture and found that the AppleTV was trying to open up a UDP stream to my iPhone, presumably for audio, and the NAT device was not letting the UDP packet in. Apparently if the UDP stream doesn't get established, the devices will just give up. -dan Dan Brisson Network Engineer University of Vermont (Ph) 802.656.8111 dbris...@uvm.edu On 3/12/14, 4:14 PM, Julian Y Koh wrote: On Wed Mar 12 2014 15:11:34 CDT, Julian Y Koh kohs...@northwestern.edu wrote: I don't think that all AppleTV units have Bluetooth. I'm not exactly sure which revs do or don't offhand unfortunately. Another thing is that I would imagine that both the iOS device and the AppleTV need to be able to reach each other directly using unicast. So if the AppleTV is behind a NAT device with respect to the iOS device, or if you have somehow blocked unicast traffic between clients on your wireless network, you might be able to do the discovery via Bluetooh but not actually stream any traffic. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
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Rather that should have read AppleTV 6.1 with iOS 7.1 is the winning combination. Both updates are required to use discovery over bluetooth. On Mar 11, 2014, at 8:48 AM, Jason Heffner jdh...@psu.edu wrote: Apple just released discovery over bluetooth in iOS 6.1. This is a major hurdle for most institutions as it no longer requires bonjour for discovery but instead relies on bluetooth. I’ve tested it and it works well. I wonder if they will add this support into OSX soon. http://gadgets.ndtv.com/tv/news/apple-tv-61-update-brings-airplay-security-option-discovery-over-bluetooth-and-more-494249 This certainly doesn't invalidate our work on our Mirror App, but for some it may be the missing piece which we were also providing. Mirror will also allow you to use AirServer and provides a way to connect to AppleTVs from remote locations. Either way, it’s about time Apple! Jason On Jan 16, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Jason Heffner jdh...@psu.edu wrote: Hi everyone, We took a slightly different approach to solve our issue with the AppleTV specifically at Penn State. We do have a Doceri deployment but recently we have released a PSU Airplay iOS enterprise app to allow mirroring to AppleTVs w/o having bonjour enabled. Since I saw this topic come up I thought it was a good time to share. If interested you can find out more on a recent blog entry I wrote up on the specifics. http://sites.psu.edu/jasonheffner/2014/01/10/airplay-without-bonjour-on-enterprise-wireless-networks/ Thanks, Jason p: (814) 865-1840, c: (814) 777-7665 Systems Administrator Teaching and Learning with Technology, Information Technology Services The Pennsylvania State University On Jan 16, 2014, at 11:19 AM, Tim Cappalli cappa...@brandeis.edu wrote: Yes, ClearPass and AirGroup allows a user to define up to 10 other users that can see their personal device. image001.png Tim Cappalli | ACCP / ACMP / CCNA Network Engineer | Brandeis University cappa...@brandeis.edu | (617) 701-7149 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of James Andrewartha Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:23 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi Hi Bruce, On 16/01/14 8:50 PM, Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services) bosbo...@liberty.edu wrote: You said, Sure, I wish you could drop Apple TVs into a directory like printers (though AirPrint indicates that's going away too) and just choose from a list. And I was replying to what Lee said, I like the Mersive paradigm as an alternative- it asks nothing of the network. Although I'd still like to see Apple fix their own limitations. I believe Aruba Networks' AirGroup feature can do exactly what you want, letting users choose from devices they are close to. AirGroup is another network solution. I have my own, dropping Bonjour packets from Apple TVs at the core so teachers can only see the ones in the building they're in. But you and I are network admins, in an ideal world we shouldn't be touching anything above Layer 3. Our sysadmin for Apple devices handles the printers, why can't he do Apple TVs as well? You ca nalso limit what users have access to devices, so Students may not be able to display on classroom monitors, for example. I haven't gone quite that far yet - currently students have no access to the Apple TVs. My next goal is to allow the teachers to give permission to a particular student to display on an Apple TV, but that will require coding up a web interface to change policy roles to bridge Bonjour for that student. I am interested in their user registration system, such that residents can only see their own Apple TVs, but does it let the user authorise others to use it, e.g. for shared residences? Thanks, -- James Andrewartha Network Projects Engineer Christ Church Grammar School Claremont, Western Australia Ph. (08) 9442 1757 Mob. 0424 160 877 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found athttp://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
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Have you been able to get an osx 10.9 to see the apple tv via Bluetooth? -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jason Heffner Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:48 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi Apple just released discovery over bluetooth in iOS 6.1. This is a major hurdle for most institutions as it no longer requires bonjour for discovery but instead relies on bluetooth. I've tested it and it works well. I wonder if they will add this support into OSX soon. http://gadgets.ndtv.com/tv/news/apple-tv-61-update-brings-airplay-security-option-discovery-over-bluetooth-and-more-494249 This certainly doesn't invalidate our work on our Mirror App, but for some it may be the missing piece which we were also providing. Mirror will also allow you to use AirServer and provides a way to connect to AppleTVs from remote locations. Either way, it's about time Apple! Jason On Jan 16, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Jason Heffner jdh...@psu.edu wrote: Hi everyone, We took a slightly different approach to solve our issue with the AppleTV specifically at Penn State. We do have a Doceri deployment but recently we have released a PSU Airplay iOS enterprise app to allow mirroring to AppleTVs w/o having bonjour enabled. Since I saw this topic come up I thought it was a good time to share. If interested you can find out more on a recent blog entry I wrote up on the specifics. http://sites.psu.edu/jasonheffner/2014/01/10/airplay-without-bonjour-o n-enterprise-wireless-networks/ Thanks, Jason p: (814) 865-1840, c: (814) 777-7665 Systems Administrator Teaching and Learning with Technology, Information Technology Services The Pennsylvania State University On Jan 16, 2014, at 11:19 AM, Tim Cappalli cappa...@brandeis.edu wrote: Yes, ClearPass and AirGroup allows a user to define up to 10 other users that can see their personal device. image001.png Tim Cappalli | ACCP / ACMP / CCNA Network Engineer | Brandeis University cappa...@brandeis.edu | (617) 701-7149 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of James Andrewartha Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:23 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi Hi Bruce, On 16/01/14 8:50 PM, Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services) bosbo...@liberty.edu wrote: You said, Sure, I wish you could drop Apple TVs into a directory like printers (though AirPrint indicates that's going away too) and just choose from a list. And I was replying to what Lee said, I like the Mersive paradigm as an alternative- it asks nothing of the network. Although I'd still like to see Apple fix their own limitations. I believe Aruba Networks' AirGroup feature can do exactly what you want, letting users choose from devices they are close to. AirGroup is another network solution. I have my own, dropping Bonjour packets from Apple TVs at the core so teachers can only see the ones in the building they're in. But you and I are network admins, in an ideal world we shouldn't be touching anything above Layer 3. Our sysadmin for Apple devices handles the printers, why can't he do Apple TVs as well? You ca nalso limit what users have access to devices, so Students may not be able to display on classroom monitors, for example. I haven't gone quite that far yet - currently students have no access to the Apple TVs. My next goal is to allow the teachers to give permission to a particular student to display on an Apple TV, but that will require coding up a web interface to change policy roles to bridge Bonjour for that student. I am interested in their user registration system, such that residents can only see their own Apple TVs, but does it let the user authorise others to use it, e.g. for shared residences? Thanks, -- James Andrewartha Network Projects Engineer Christ Church Grammar School Claremont, Western Australia Ph. (08) 9442 1757 Mob. 0424 160 877 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found athttp://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
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I’ve not seen anything in OSX yet, but I’ve not installed the very latest 10.9.3 update. I came across the bluetooth discovery in iOS when I was testing out the beta. It hasn’t gotten any hype and was hoping that it would be leaked so I could talk about before it was released. We talked about doing the same thing with Bluetooth LE, then held off since Apple was going to release it. On Mar 11, 2014, at 2:32 PM, Hurt,Trenton W. trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: Seems to be that way I can’t get my osx to see the apple tv but can see it from iOS 7.1 devices via Bluetooth. Here is different website with some screens of doing airplay via Bluetooth http://www.afp548.com/2014/03/10/hidden-airplay-feature-in-the-appletv-6-1-ios-7-1-update/ From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Sessler Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 2:21 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi I'll bet support in 10.9 will be in the next patch. I don't think Apple even mentions this new feature in the release notes. Jeff On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 at 11:13 AM, in message 108be36f63e8cc4c8c84a5dce1c0d2a1b33c7...@exmbx07.ad.louisville.edu, Hurt,Trenton W. trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: Have you been able to get an osx 10.9 to see the apple tv via Bluetooth? -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jason Heffner Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:48 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi Apple just released discovery over bluetooth in iOS 6.1. This is a major hurdle for most institutions as it no longer requires bonjour for discovery but instead relies on bluetooth. I've tested it and it works well. I wonder if they will add this support into OSX soon. http://gadgets.ndtv.com/tv/news/apple-tv-61-update-brings-airplay-security-option-discovery-over-bluetooth-and-more-494249 This certainly doesn't invalidate our work on our Mirror App, but for some it may be the missing piece which we were also providing. Mirror will also allow you to use AirServer and provides a way to connect to AppleTVs from remote locations. Either way, it's about time Apple! Jason On Jan 16, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Jason Heffner jdh...@psu.edu wrote: Hi everyone, We took a slightly different approach to solve our issue with the AppleTV specifically at Penn State. We do have a Doceri deployment but recently we have released a PSU Airplay iOS enterprise app to allow mirroring to AppleTVs w/o having bonjour enabled. Since I saw this topic come up I thought it was a good time to share. If interested you can find out more on a recent blog entry I wrote up on the specifics. http://sites.psu.edu/jasonheffner/2014/01/10/airplay-without-bonjour-o n-enterprise-wireless-networks/ Thanks, Jason p: (814) 865-1840, c: (814) 777-7665 Systems Administrator Teaching and Learning with Technology, Information Technology Services The Pennsylvania State University On Jan 16, 2014, at 11:19 AM, Tim Cappalli cappa...@brandeis.edu wrote: Yes, ClearPass and AirGroup allows a user to define up to 10 other users that can see their personal device. image001.png Tim Cappalli | ACCP / ACMP / CCNA Network Engineer | Brandeis University cappa...@brandeis.edu | (617) 701-7149 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of James Andrewartha Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:23 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi Hi Bruce, On 16/01/14 8:50 PM, Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services) bosbo...@liberty.edu wrote: You said, Sure, I wish you could drop Apple TVs into a directory like printers (though AirPrint indicates that's going away too) and just choose from a list. And I was replying to what Lee said, I like the Mersive paradigm as an alternative- it asks nothing of the network. Although I'd still like to see Apple fix their own limitations. I believe Aruba Networks' AirGroup feature can do exactly what you want, letting users choose from devices they are close to. AirGroup is another network solution. I have my own, dropping Bonjour packets from Apple TVs at the core so teachers can only see the ones in the building they're in. But you and I are network admins, in an ideal world we shouldn't be touching anything above Layer 3. Our sysadmin for Apple devices handles the printers, why can't he do Apple TVs
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The decision was made to make the repository private for several reasons. If you would like access to the code please contact us at http://airplay.psu.edu/beta-application/ and we can give you access to the private repository. Thanks, Jason On Jan 20, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Jason Heffner jdh...@psu.edu wrote: The code for the App is now available on github at https://github.com/psutlt/ios-psuairplay . We would welcome any insights, suggestions and/or contributions to the code. Thanks, Jason p: (814) 865-1840, c: (814) 777-7665 Systems Administrator Teaching and Learning with Technology, Information Technology Services The Pennsylvania State University On Jan 17, 2014, at 10:00 PM, Jason Heffner jdh...@psu.edu wrote: Hey Jason, Jason, I’m hoping to release the code on Monday. I got the new github repository created and some sample json files in place. I just need to finish off the readme file to help anyone who is trying to adapt the code for their university. To answer your questions, Yep, the AppleTV is being advertised locally on the iPad. This method could work for other uses. The iOS app talks to a server which has the AppleTV registrations and updates. A registration simply contains a DNS hostname and location (campus, building, and room). We only need to update the server for new AppleTVs. We built auto-updating into the app so users are notified when a new version is available. When I release a new version I simply increase the version number in the plist file and anyone connecting gets the new version. Jason On Jan 17, 2014, at 8:19 PM, Jason Watts jwa...@pratt.edu wrote: Jason (Third Jason here), We too have been getting the lean-on from faculty and staff to bring the ATV experience to the classrooms and conference rooms. To reiterate what another poster asked, your app is just allowing the iDevice to publish the remote ATV to itself locally, right? My question is, does your app have all of PSU's ATV devices hard-coded into it or served up from a website that your app code connects to? Is the app simply taking static DNS names or IPs of ATVs and publishing them locally as they are selected in the app thereby forcing the iDevice to resolve them on the network and enumerate them? I hope I have the concept right. If that's the case then building a simple website that filters by user role, schedule, etc and lets one connect to any ATV on the fly would be great. I suppose you could still require PIN entry on the ATV to restrict access to folks within viewing range. Anyhow, it sounds promising and I for one am looking forward to the code release. Thanks for such a cool effort. Jason Watts Pratt Institute, Academic Computing Senior Network Administrator On 1/17/2014 4:28 PM, Jason Heffner wrote: Brian, We should have the code available next week. We just need to clean up our Github repository. We are currently distributing the app under our iOS Developer Enterprise Program to all of PSU through an easy web site download. Jason On Jan 17, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Brian Helman bhel...@salemstate.edu wrote: Any chance you'd be willing to share that app? My iPad is jailbroken, so I can sideload it. -Brian Helman -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jason Heffner Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 8:45 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:03 AM, James Andrewartha jandrewar...@ccgs.wa.edu.au wrote: Hi Jason, On 17/01/14 01:59, Jason Heffner wrote: We took a slightly different approach to solve our issue with the AppleTV specifically at Penn State. We do have a Doceri deployment but recently we have released a PSU Airplay iOS enterprise app to allow mirroring to AppleTVs w/o having bonjour enabled. Since I saw this topic come up I thought it was a good time to share. That's a very impressive solution, good thinking. Thanks! If interested you can find out more on a recent blog entry I wrote up on the specifics. http://sites.psu.edu/jasonheffner/2014/01/10/airplay-without-bonjour- on-enterprise-wireless-networks/ So the app advertises the Airplay service over the network, but only the device it's running on sees the advertisement because you have multicast disabled? That's correct. On an earlier revision we were doing SSID detection and only broadcasting if that network was connected. We later removed that since we could stop the broadcast when the app went into background, and then restart the broadcast when it was in foreground. -- James Andrewartha Network Projects Engineer Christ Church Grammar School Claremont, Western Australia Ph. (08) 9442 1757 Mob. 0424 160 877 ** Participation
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The code for the App is now available on github at https://github.com/psutlt/ios-psuairplay . We would welcome any insights, suggestions and/or contributions to the code. Thanks, Jason p: (814) 865-1840, c: (814) 777-7665 Systems Administrator Teaching and Learning with Technology, Information Technology Services The Pennsylvania State University On Jan 17, 2014, at 10:00 PM, Jason Heffner jdh...@psu.edu wrote: Hey Jason, Jason, I’m hoping to release the code on Monday. I got the new github repository created and some sample json files in place. I just need to finish off the readme file to help anyone who is trying to adapt the code for their university. To answer your questions, Yep, the AppleTV is being advertised locally on the iPad. This method could work for other uses. The iOS app talks to a server which has the AppleTV registrations and updates. A registration simply contains a DNS hostname and location (campus, building, and room). We only need to update the server for new AppleTVs. We built auto-updating into the app so users are notified when a new version is available. When I release a new version I simply increase the version number in the plist file and anyone connecting gets the new version. Jason On Jan 17, 2014, at 8:19 PM, Jason Watts jwa...@pratt.edu wrote: Jason (Third Jason here), We too have been getting the lean-on from faculty and staff to bring the ATV experience to the classrooms and conference rooms. To reiterate what another poster asked, your app is just allowing the iDevice to publish the remote ATV to itself locally, right? My question is, does your app have all of PSU's ATV devices hard-coded into it or served up from a website that your app code connects to? Is the app simply taking static DNS names or IPs of ATVs and publishing them locally as they are selected in the app thereby forcing the iDevice to resolve them on the network and enumerate them? I hope I have the concept right. If that's the case then building a simple website that filters by user role, schedule, etc and lets one connect to any ATV on the fly would be great. I suppose you could still require PIN entry on the ATV to restrict access to folks within viewing range. Anyhow, it sounds promising and I for one am looking forward to the code release. Thanks for such a cool effort. Jason Watts Pratt Institute, Academic Computing Senior Network Administrator On 1/17/2014 4:28 PM, Jason Heffner wrote: Brian, We should have the code available next week. We just need to clean up our Github repository. We are currently distributing the app under our iOS Developer Enterprise Program to all of PSU through an easy web site download. Jason On Jan 17, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Brian Helman bhel...@salemstate.edu wrote: Any chance you'd be willing to share that app? My iPad is jailbroken, so I can sideload it. -Brian Helman -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jason Heffner Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 8:45 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:03 AM, James Andrewartha jandrewar...@ccgs.wa.edu.au wrote: Hi Jason, On 17/01/14 01:59, Jason Heffner wrote: We took a slightly different approach to solve our issue with the AppleTV specifically at Penn State. We do have a Doceri deployment but recently we have released a PSU Airplay iOS enterprise app to allow mirroring to AppleTVs w/o having bonjour enabled. Since I saw this topic come up I thought it was a good time to share. That's a very impressive solution, good thinking. Thanks! If interested you can find out more on a recent blog entry I wrote up on the specifics. http://sites.psu.edu/jasonheffner/2014/01/10/airplay-without-bonjour- on-enterprise-wireless-networks/ So the app advertises the Airplay service over the network, but only the device it's running on sees the advertisement because you have multicast disabled? That's correct. On an earlier revision we were doing SSID detection and only broadcasting if that network was connected. We later removed that since we could stop the broadcast when the app went into background, and then restart the broadcast when it was in foreground. -- James Andrewartha Network Projects Engineer Christ Church Grammar School Claremont, Western Australia Ph. (08) 9442 1757 Mob. 0424 160 877 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription
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Hi Jason, On 17/01/14 01:59, Jason Heffner wrote: We took a slightly different approach to solve our issue with the AppleTV specifically at Penn State. We do have a Doceri deployment but recently we have released a PSU Airplay iOS enterprise app to allow mirroring to AppleTVs w/o having bonjour enabled. Since I saw this topic come up I thought it was a good time to share. That's a very impressive solution, good thinking. If interested you can find out more on a recent blog entry I wrote up on the specifics. http://sites.psu.edu/jasonheffner/2014/01/10/airplay-without-bonjour-on-enterprise-wireless-networks/ So the app advertises the Airplay service over the network, but only the device it's running on sees the advertisement because you have multicast disabled? -- James Andrewartha Network Projects Engineer Christ Church Grammar School Claremont, Western Australia Ph. (08) 9442 1757 Mob. 0424 160 877 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:03 AM, James Andrewartha jandrewar...@ccgs.wa.edu.au wrote: Hi Jason, On 17/01/14 01:59, Jason Heffner wrote: We took a slightly different approach to solve our issue with the AppleTV specifically at Penn State. We do have a Doceri deployment but recently we have released a PSU Airplay iOS enterprise app to allow mirroring to AppleTVs w/o having bonjour enabled. Since I saw this topic come up I thought it was a good time to share. That's a very impressive solution, good thinking. Thanks! If interested you can find out more on a recent blog entry I wrote up on the specifics. http://sites.psu.edu/jasonheffner/2014/01/10/airplay-without-bonjour-on-enterprise-wireless-networks/ So the app advertises the Airplay service over the network, but only the device it's running on sees the advertisement because you have multicast disabled? That’s correct. On an earlier revision we were doing SSID detection and only broadcasting if that network was connected. We later removed that since we could stop the broadcast when the app went into background, and then restart the broadcast when it was in foreground. -- James Andrewartha Network Projects Engineer Christ Church Grammar School Claremont, Western Australia Ph. (08) 9442 1757 Mob. 0424 160 877 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
Any chance you'd be willing to share that app? My iPad is jailbroken, so I can sideload it. -Brian Helman -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jason Heffner Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 8:45 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:03 AM, James Andrewartha jandrewar...@ccgs.wa.edu.au wrote: Hi Jason, On 17/01/14 01:59, Jason Heffner wrote: We took a slightly different approach to solve our issue with the AppleTV specifically at Penn State. We do have a Doceri deployment but recently we have released a PSU Airplay iOS enterprise app to allow mirroring to AppleTVs w/o having bonjour enabled. Since I saw this topic come up I thought it was a good time to share. That's a very impressive solution, good thinking. Thanks! If interested you can find out more on a recent blog entry I wrote up on the specifics. http://sites.psu.edu/jasonheffner/2014/01/10/airplay-without-bonjour- on-enterprise-wireless-networks/ So the app advertises the Airplay service over the network, but only the device it's running on sees the advertisement because you have multicast disabled? That's correct. On an earlier revision we were doing SSID detection and only broadcasting if that network was connected. We later removed that since we could stop the broadcast when the app went into background, and then restart the broadcast when it was in foreground. -- James Andrewartha Network Projects Engineer Christ Church Grammar School Claremont, Western Australia Ph. (08) 9442 1757 Mob. 0424 160 877 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
Brian, We should have the code available next week. We just need to clean up our Github repository. We are currently distributing the app under our iOS Developer Enterprise Program to all of PSU through an easy web site download. Jason On Jan 17, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Brian Helman bhel...@salemstate.edu wrote: Any chance you'd be willing to share that app? My iPad is jailbroken, so I can sideload it. -Brian Helman -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jason Heffner Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 8:45 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:03 AM, James Andrewartha jandrewar...@ccgs.wa.edu.au wrote: Hi Jason, On 17/01/14 01:59, Jason Heffner wrote: We took a slightly different approach to solve our issue with the AppleTV specifically at Penn State. We do have a Doceri deployment but recently we have released a PSU Airplay iOS enterprise app to allow mirroring to AppleTVs w/o having bonjour enabled. Since I saw this topic come up I thought it was a good time to share. That's a very impressive solution, good thinking. Thanks! If interested you can find out more on a recent blog entry I wrote up on the specifics. http://sites.psu.edu/jasonheffner/2014/01/10/airplay-without-bonjour- on-enterprise-wireless-networks/ So the app advertises the Airplay service over the network, but only the device it's running on sees the advertisement because you have multicast disabled? That's correct. On an earlier revision we were doing SSID detection and only broadcasting if that network was connected. We later removed that since we could stop the broadcast when the app went into background, and then restart the broadcast when it was in foreground. -- James Andrewartha Network Projects Engineer Christ Church Grammar School Claremont, Western Australia Ph. (08) 9442 1757 Mob. 0424 160 877 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
Jason (Third Jason here), We too have been getting the lean-on from faculty and staff to bring the ATV experience to the classrooms and conference rooms. To reiterate what another poster asked, your app is just allowing the iDevice to publish the remote ATV to itself locally, right? My question is, does your app have all of PSU's ATV devices hard-coded into it or served up from a website that your app code connects to? Is the app simply taking static DNS names or IPs of ATVs and publishing them locally as they are selected in the app thereby forcing the iDevice to resolve them on the network and enumerate them? I hope I have the concept right. If that's the case then building a simple website that filters by user role, schedule, etc and lets one connect to any ATV on the fly would be great. I suppose you could still require PIN entry on the ATV to restrict access to folks within viewing range. Anyhow, it sounds promising and I for one am looking forward to the code release. Thanks for such a cool effort. Jason Watts Pratt Institute, Academic Computing Senior Network Administrator On 1/17/2014 4:28 PM, Jason Heffner wrote: Brian, We should have the code available next week. We just need to clean up our Github repository. We are currently distributing the app under our iOS Developer Enterprise Program to all of PSU through an easy web site download. Jason On Jan 17, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Brian Helman bhel...@salemstate.edu wrote: Any chance you'd be willing to share that app? My iPad is jailbroken, so I can sideload it. -Brian Helman -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jason Heffner Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 8:45 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:03 AM, James Andrewartha jandrewar...@ccgs.wa.edu.au wrote: Hi Jason, On 17/01/14 01:59, Jason Heffner wrote: We took a slightly different approach to solve our issue with the AppleTV specifically at Penn State. We do have a Doceri deployment but recently we have released a PSU Airplay iOS enterprise app to allow mirroring to AppleTVs w/o having bonjour enabled. Since I saw this topic come up I thought it was a good time to share. That's a very impressive solution, good thinking. Thanks! If interested you can find out more on a recent blog entry I wrote up on the specifics. http://sites.psu.edu/jasonheffner/2014/01/10/airplay-without-bonjour- on-enterprise-wireless-networks/ So the app advertises the Airplay service over the network, but only the device it's running on sees the advertisement because you have multicast disabled? That's correct. On an earlier revision we were doing SSID detection and only broadcasting if that network was connected. We later removed that since we could stop the broadcast when the app went into background, and then restart the broadcast when it was in foreground. -- James Andrewartha Network Projects Engineer Christ Church Grammar School Claremont, Western Australia Ph. (08) 9442 1757 Mob. 0424 160 877 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. -- Jason Watts Pratt Institute, Academic Computing Senior Network Administrator p. 718-399-4219 f. 718-399-3416 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
Hey Jason, Jason, I’m hoping to release the code on Monday. I got the new github repository created and some sample json files in place. I just need to finish off the readme file to help anyone who is trying to adapt the code for their university. To answer your questions, Yep, the AppleTV is being advertised locally on the iPad. This method could work for other uses. The iOS app talks to a server which has the AppleTV registrations and updates. A registration simply contains a DNS hostname and location (campus, building, and room). We only need to update the server for new AppleTVs. We built auto-updating into the app so users are notified when a new version is available. When I release a new version I simply increase the version number in the plist file and anyone connecting gets the new version. Jason On Jan 17, 2014, at 8:19 PM, Jason Watts jwa...@pratt.edu wrote: Jason (Third Jason here), We too have been getting the lean-on from faculty and staff to bring the ATV experience to the classrooms and conference rooms. To reiterate what another poster asked, your app is just allowing the iDevice to publish the remote ATV to itself locally, right? My question is, does your app have all of PSU's ATV devices hard-coded into it or served up from a website that your app code connects to? Is the app simply taking static DNS names or IPs of ATVs and publishing them locally as they are selected in the app thereby forcing the iDevice to resolve them on the network and enumerate them? I hope I have the concept right. If that's the case then building a simple website that filters by user role, schedule, etc and lets one connect to any ATV on the fly would be great. I suppose you could still require PIN entry on the ATV to restrict access to folks within viewing range. Anyhow, it sounds promising and I for one am looking forward to the code release. Thanks for such a cool effort. Jason Watts Pratt Institute, Academic Computing Senior Network Administrator On 1/17/2014 4:28 PM, Jason Heffner wrote: Brian, We should have the code available next week. We just need to clean up our Github repository. We are currently distributing the app under our iOS Developer Enterprise Program to all of PSU through an easy web site download. Jason On Jan 17, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Brian Helman bhel...@salemstate.edu wrote: Any chance you'd be willing to share that app? My iPad is jailbroken, so I can sideload it. -Brian Helman -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jason Heffner Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 8:45 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:03 AM, James Andrewartha jandrewar...@ccgs.wa.edu.au wrote: Hi Jason, On 17/01/14 01:59, Jason Heffner wrote: We took a slightly different approach to solve our issue with the AppleTV specifically at Penn State. We do have a Doceri deployment but recently we have released a PSU Airplay iOS enterprise app to allow mirroring to AppleTVs w/o having bonjour enabled. Since I saw this topic come up I thought it was a good time to share. That's a very impressive solution, good thinking. Thanks! If interested you can find out more on a recent blog entry I wrote up on the specifics. http://sites.psu.edu/jasonheffner/2014/01/10/airplay-without-bonjour- on-enterprise-wireless-networks/ So the app advertises the Airplay service over the network, but only the device it's running on sees the advertisement because you have multicast disabled? That's correct. On an earlier revision we were doing SSID detection and only broadcasting if that network was connected. We later removed that since we could stop the broadcast when the app went into background, and then restart the broadcast when it was in foreground. -- James Andrewartha Network Projects Engineer Christ Church Grammar School Claremont, Western Australia Ph. (08) 9442 1757 Mob. 0424 160 877 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. -- Jason Watts Pratt Institute, Academic Computing Senior Network Administrator p. 718-399-4219 f. 718-399-3416 ** Participation and subscription
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
Hi Bruce, On 16/01/14 8:50 PM, Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services) bosbo...@liberty.edu wrote: You said, Sure, I wish you could drop Apple TVs into a directory like printers (though AirPrint indicates that's going away too) and just choose from a list. And I was replying to what Lee said, I like the Mersive paradigm as an alternative- it asks nothing of the network. Although I'd still like to see Apple fix their own limitations. I believe Aruba Networks' AirGroup feature can do exactly what you want, letting users choose from devices they are close to. AirGroup is another network solution. I have my own, dropping Bonjour packets from Apple TVs at the core so teachers can only see the ones in the building they're in. But you and I are network admins, in an ideal world we shouldn't be touching anything above Layer 3. Our sysadmin for Apple devices handles the printers, why can't he do Apple TVs as well? You ca nalso limit what users have access to devices, so Students may not be able to display on classroom monitors, for example. I haven't gone quite that far yet - currently students have no access to the Apple TVs. My next goal is to allow the teachers to give permission to a particular student to display on an Apple TV, but that will require coding up a web interface to change policy roles to bridge Bonjour for that student. I am interested in their user registration system, such that residents can only see their own Apple TVs, but does it let the user authorise others to use it, e.g. for shared residences? Thanks, -- James Andrewartha Network Projects Engineer Christ Church Grammar School Claremont, Western Australia Ph. (08) 9442 1757 Mob. 0424 160 877 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
Yes, ClearPass and AirGroup allows a user to define up to 10 other users that can see their personal device. Tim Cappalli | ACCP / ACMP / CCNA Network Engineer | Brandeis University cappa...@brandeis.edu | (617) 701-7149 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of James Andrewartha Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:23 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi Hi Bruce, On 16/01/14 8:50 PM, Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services) bosbo...@liberty.edu wrote: You said, Sure, I wish you could drop Apple TVs into a directory like printers (though AirPrint indicates that's going away too) and just choose from a list. And I was replying to what Lee said, I like the Mersive paradigm as an alternative- it asks nothing of the network. Although I'd still like to see Apple fix their own limitations. I believe Aruba Networks' AirGroup feature can do exactly what you want, letting users choose from devices they are close to. AirGroup is another network solution. I have my own, dropping Bonjour packets from Apple TVs at the core so teachers can only see the ones in the building they're in. But you and I are network admins, in an ideal world we shouldn't be touching anything above Layer 3. Our sysadmin for Apple devices handles the printers, why can't he do Apple TVs as well? You ca nalso limit what users have access to devices, so Students may not be able to display on classroom monitors, for example. I haven't gone quite that far yet - currently students have no access to the Apple TVs. My next goal is to allow the teachers to give permission to a particular student to display on an Apple TV, but that will require coding up a web interface to change policy roles to bridge Bonjour for that student. I am interested in their user registration system, such that residents can only see their own Apple TVs, but does it let the user authorise others to use it, e.g. for shared residences? Thanks, -- James Andrewartha Network Projects Engineer Christ Church Grammar School Claremont, Western Australia Ph. (08) 9442 1757 Mob. 0424 160 877 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. image001.png
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
Hi everyone, We took a slightly different approach to solve our issue with the AppleTV specifically at Penn State. We do have a Doceri deployment but recently we have released a PSU Airplay iOS enterprise app to allow mirroring to AppleTVs w/o having bonjour enabled. Since I saw this topic come up I thought it was a good time to share. If interested you can find out more on a recent blog entry I wrote up on the specifics. http://sites.psu.edu/jasonheffner/2014/01/10/airplay-without-bonjour-on-enterprise-wireless-networks/ Thanks, Jason p: (814) 865-1840, c: (814) 777-7665 Systems Administrator Teaching and Learning with Technology, Information Technology Services The Pennsylvania State University On Jan 16, 2014, at 11:19 AM, Tim Cappalli cappa...@brandeis.edu wrote: Yes, ClearPass and AirGroup allows a user to define up to 10 other users that can see their personal device. image001.png Tim Cappalli | ACCP / ACMP / CCNA Network Engineer | Brandeis University cappa...@brandeis.edu | (617) 701-7149 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of James Andrewartha Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:23 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi Hi Bruce, On 16/01/14 8:50 PM, Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services) bosbo...@liberty.edu wrote: You said, Sure, I wish you could drop Apple TVs into a directory like printers (though AirPrint indicates that's going away too) and just choose from a list. And I was replying to what Lee said, I like the Mersive paradigm as an alternative- it asks nothing of the network. Although I'd still like to see Apple fix their own limitations. I believe Aruba Networks' AirGroup feature can do exactly what you want, letting users choose from devices they are close to. AirGroup is another network solution. I have my own, dropping Bonjour packets from Apple TVs at the core so teachers can only see the ones in the building they're in. But you and I are network admins, in an ideal world we shouldn't be touching anything above Layer 3. Our sysadmin for Apple devices handles the printers, why can't he do Apple TVs as well? You ca nalso limit what users have access to devices, so Students may not be able to display on classroom monitors, for example. I haven't gone quite that far yet - currently students have no access to the Apple TVs. My next goal is to allow the teachers to give permission to a particular student to display on an Apple TV, but that will require coding up a web interface to change policy roles to bridge Bonjour for that student. I am interested in their user registration system, such that residents can only see their own Apple TVs, but does it let the user authorise others to use it, e.g. for shared residences? Thanks, -- James Andrewartha Network Projects Engineer Christ Church Grammar School Claremont, Western Australia Ph. (08) 9442 1757 Mob. 0424 160 877 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found athttp://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
I think most of all, they wouldn't like the results even if the wireless worked. I imagine instructors will at some point expect to be able to mirror a single device to all twelve screens at once, so they all show the same thing, and I don't believe that Apple's AirPlay will work that way. It's my understanding that if they have 12 Apple TVs, they'll need to be running 12 separate iPads/iPhones/Macs to take advantage of those screens. If that's what they want to do, that's one thing... but somehow I don't see it being used that way. It seems much more likely that what they really want is one AppleTV connected to a redistributor that will show a single instructor's iPad across all 12 screen with only one connection, or if you have a good enough controller system, just those screens that the instructor selects. Now, about the wireless actually working... hahahaha, how cute. What you could do is run a network drop for each AppleTV, and make sure the wired network drop gets an address from your wireless range, or is exposed to your wireless range via a bonjour gateway. That would at least take a lot of the traffic out of the rf space. Joel Coehoorn Director of Information Technology York College, Nebraska 402.363.5603 jcoeho...@york.edu *The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society* On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Hurt,Trenton W. trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: Of the folks who are allowing users to do bonjour services over wifi. Either thru native multicast , or the enhancements from the various wifi vendors. Has anyone noticed spectrum issues in dense classrooms? I have a department who is proposing 12 screens with 12 apple tvs in room with 180 seats and I'm can't see how this can work given the crowded spectrum in large seat rooms. Has anyone tried multiple apple tvs in the same room with multiple users mirroring different content simultaneously ? Sent from my iPhone ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
Yes that's definitely the plan to wire the apple tvs. The way they envision this is having 12 displays and have students break out into smaller study/collaboration groups on the fly, with modular furniture that they can move to accomadate. So it wouldn't be an individual instructor controlling all 12. It could be anyone of the 180 users in the class all of which either have ipad or iphone or both. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Coehoorn, Joel Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 12:27 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi I think most of all, they wouldn't like the results even if the wireless worked. I imagine instructors will at some point expect to be able to mirror a single device to all twelve screens at once, so they all show the same thing, and I don't believe that Apple's AirPlay will work that way. It's my understanding that if they have 12 Apple TVs, they'll need to be running 12 separate iPads/iPhones/Macs to take advantage of those screens. If that's what they want to do, that's one thing... but somehow I don't see it being used that way. It seems much more likely that what they really want is one AppleTV connected to a redistributor that will show a single instructor's iPad across all 12 screen with only one connection, or if you have a good enough controller system, just those screens that the instructor selects. Now, about the wireless actually working... hahahaha, how cute. What you could do is run a network drop for each AppleTV, and make sure the wired network drop gets an address from your wireless range, or is exposed to your wireless range via a bonjour gateway. That would at least take a lot of the traffic out of the rf space. [http://www.york.edu/ycsealsig.png] Joel Coehoorn Director of Information Technology York College, Nebraska 402.363.5603 jcoeho...@york.edumailto:jcoeho...@york.edu [http://www.york.edu/mvplogo.png] The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Hurt,Trenton W. trent.h...@louisville.edumailto:trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: Of the folks who are allowing users to do bonjour services over wifi. Either thru native multicast , or the enhancements from the various wifi vendors. Has anyone noticed spectrum issues in dense classrooms? I have a department who is proposing 12 screens with 12 apple tvs in room with 180 seats and I'm can't see how this can work given the crowded spectrum in large seat rooms. Has anyone tried multiple apple tvs in the same room with multiple users mirroring different content simultaneously ? Sent from my iPhone ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
you might take a look at this white paper from Cisco. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/wireless/ps5678/ps10981/design_guide_c07-693245.html I've just been reading it and it contains some useful information, RE: reducing cell sizes by turning off some of the lower data rates, the use of directional antennas to limit cell size, and all kinds of other tricks. Hope this helps. On 1/15/2014 at 08:37 AM, Hurt,Trenton W. trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: Of the folks who are allowing users to do bonjour services over wifi. Either thru native multicast , or the enhancements from the various wifi vendors. Has anyone noticed spectrum issues in dense classrooms? I have a department who is proposing 12 screens with 12 apple tvs in room with 180 seats and I'm can't see how this can work given the crowded spectrum in large seat rooms. Has anyone tried multiple apple tvs in the same room with multiple users mirroring different content simultaneously ? Sent from my iPhone ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
I give Cisco and Aerohive, etc. great credit for building in techniques that might help solve Apple's problems, but also not buying in to making the network jump through hoops for one device and client type. To allow for display mirroring (and a lot more functionality) for ALL device types we are strongly leaning towards Mersive's Soltice software. It requires zero network reconfiguration, no multicast, and just fits like a glove. We are negotiating on $$ with Mersive after successful demos. Lee Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 -Original Message- From: Jason Gerdes [jger...@cwu.edu] Received: Wednesday, 15 Jan 2014, 16:40 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi you might take a look at this white paper from Cisco. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/wireless/ps5678/ps10981/design_guide_c07-693245.html I've just been reading it and it contains some useful information, RE: reducing cell sizes by turning off some of the lower data rates, the use of directional antennas to limit cell size, and all kinds of other tricks. Hope this helps. On 1/15/2014 at 08:37 AM, Hurt,Trenton W. trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: Of the folks who are allowing users to do bonjour services over wifi. Either thru native multicast , or the enhancements from the various wifi vendors. Has anyone noticed spectrum issues in dense classrooms? I have a department who is proposing 12 screens with 12 apple tvs in room with 180 seats and I'm can't see how this can work given the crowded spectrum in large seat rooms. Has anyone tried multiple apple tvs in the same room with multiple users mirroring different content simultaneously ? Sent from my iPhone ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
We aren't doing anything to that density but are implementing something somewhat similar right now. Would certainly be interested to see hear how you go. We are doing 3 rooms with these as a bit of a pilot http://www.mersive.com/products/solstice/ It's basically software that runs on Windows and allows multiple users and device types to connect and share content. Our most dense room will be 60 users with 8 of these boxes, 2 fixed on wired network and 6 trolleys running wireless. Designed to be flexible small group learning spaces. Lee, I notice you're looking at Mersive as well, how are you setting yours up? -- Jason Cook The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005 Ph: +61 8 8313 4800 e-mail: jason.c...@adelaide.edu.aumailto:jason.c...@adelaide.edu.aumailto:jason.c...@adelaide.edu.au%3cmailto:jason.c...@adelaide.edu.au From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hurt,Trenton W. Sent: Thursday, 16 January 2014 4:02 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi Yes that's definitely the plan to wire the apple tvs. The way they envision this is having 12 displays and have students break out into smaller study/collaboration groups on the fly, with modular furniture that they can move to accomadate. So it wouldn't be an individual instructor controlling all 12. It could be anyone of the 180 users in the class all of which either have ipad or iphone or both. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Coehoorn, Joel Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 12:27 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi I think most of all, they wouldn't like the results even if the wireless worked. I imagine instructors will at some point expect to be able to mirror a single device to all twelve screens at once, so they all show the same thing, and I don't believe that Apple's AirPlay will work that way. It's my understanding that if they have 12 Apple TVs, they'll need to be running 12 separate iPads/iPhones/Macs to take advantage of those screens. If that's what they want to do, that's one thing... but somehow I don't see it being used that way. It seems much more likely that what they really want is one AppleTV connected to a redistributor that will show a single instructor's iPad across all 12 screen with only one connection, or if you have a good enough controller system, just those screens that the instructor selects. Now, about the wireless actually working... hahahaha, how cute. What you could do is run a network drop for each AppleTV, and make sure the wired network drop gets an address from your wireless range, or is exposed to your wireless range via a bonjour gateway. That would at least take a lot of the traffic out of the rf space. [http://www.york.edu/ycsealsig.png] Joel Coehoorn Director of Information Technology York College, Nebraska 402.363.5603 jcoeho...@york.edumailto:jcoeho...@york.edu [http://www.york.edu/mvplogo.png] The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Hurt,Trenton W. trent.h...@louisville.edumailto:trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: Of the folks who are allowing users to do bonjour services over wifi. Either thru native multicast , or the enhancements from the various wifi vendors. Has anyone noticed spectrum issues in dense classrooms? I have a department who is proposing 12 screens with 12 apple tvs in room with 180 seats and I'm can't see how this can work given the crowded spectrum in large seat rooms. Has anyone tried multiple apple tvs in the same room with multiple users mirroring different content simultaneously ? Sent from my iPhone ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
Our initial idea is for Solstice on our teaching station PCs, generally one per room (hundreds of them). Then there will likely be other creative uses to be discovered. Works elegantly on LAN/WLAN with nothing unique required of the network, so you can envision all sorts of collaboration configs. Lee Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 -Original Message- From: Jason Cook [jason.c...@adelaide.edu.au] Received: Wednesday, 15 Jan 2014, 17:50 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi We aren’t doing anything to that density but are implementing something somewhat similar right now. Would certainly be interested to see hear how you go. We are doing 3 rooms with these as a bit of a pilot http://www.mersive.com/products/solstice/ It’s basically software that runs on Windows and allows multiple users and device types to connect and share content. Our most dense room will be 60 users with 8 of these boxes, 2 fixed on wired network and 6 trolleys running wireless. Designed to be flexible small group learning spaces. Lee, I notice you’re looking at Mersive as well, how are you setting yours up? -- Jason Cook The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005 Ph: +61 8 8313 4800 e-mail: jason.c...@adelaide.edu.aumailto:jason.c...@adelaide.edu.aumailto:jason.c...@adelaide.edu.au%3cmailto:jason.c...@adelaide.edu.au From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hurt,Trenton W. Sent: Thursday, 16 January 2014 4:02 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi Yes that’s definitely the plan to wire the apple tvs. The way they envision this is having 12 displays and have students break out into smaller study/collaboration groups on the fly, with modular furniture that they can move to accomadate. So it wouldn’t be an individual instructor controlling all 12. It could be anyone of the 180 users in the class all of which either have ipad or iphone or both. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Coehoorn, Joel Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 12:27 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi I think most of all, they wouldn't like the results even if the wireless worked. I imagine instructors will at some point expect to be able to mirror a single device to all twelve screens at once, so they all show the same thing, and I don't believe that Apple's AirPlay will work that way. It's my understanding that if they have 12 Apple TVs, they'll need to be running 12 separate iPads/iPhones/Macs to take advantage of those screens. If that's what they want to do, that's one thing... but somehow I don't see it being used that way. It seems much more likely that what they really want is one AppleTV connected to a redistributor that will show a single instructor's iPad across all 12 screen with only one connection, or if you have a good enough controller system, just those screens that the instructor selects. Now, about the wireless actually working... hahahaha, how cute. What you could do is run a network drop for each AppleTV, and make sure the wired network drop gets an address from your wireless range, or is exposed to your wireless range via a bonjour gateway. That would at least take a lot of the traffic out of the rf space. [http://www.york.edu/ycsealsig.png] Joel Coehoorn Director of Information Technology York College, Nebraska 402.363.5603 jcoeho...@york.edumailto:jcoeho...@york.edu [http://www.york.edu/mvplogo.png] The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Hurt,Trenton W. trent.h...@louisville.edumailto:trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: Of the folks who are allowing users to do bonjour services over wifi. Either thru native multicast , or the enhancements from the various wifi vendors. Has anyone noticed spectrum issues in dense classrooms? I have a department who is proposing 12 screens with 12 apple tvs in room with 180 seats and I'm can't see how this can work given the crowded spectrum in large seat rooms. Has anyone tried multiple apple tvs in the same room with multiple users mirroring different content simultaneously ? Sent from my iPhone ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
Sounds like a much bigger implementation plan than ours :) I feel we may end up on that kind of path, but to begin with it will just be a smaller pilot. and see where it goes from there I do like no effort in the network apart from ensuring ample bandwidth. -- Jason Cook The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005 Ph: +61 8 8313 4800 e-mail: jason.c...@adelaide.edu.aumailto:jason.c...@adelaide.edu.aumailto:jason.c...@adelaide.edu.au%3cmailto:jason.c...@adelaide.edu.au From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman Sent: Thursday, 16 January 2014 9:34 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi Our initial idea is for Solstice on our teaching station PCs, generally one per room (hundreds of them). Then there will likely be other creative uses to be discovered. Works elegantly on LAN/WLAN with nothing unique required of the network, so you can envision all sorts of collaboration configs. Lee Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 -Original Message- From: Jason Cook [jason.c...@adelaide.edu.au] Received: Wednesday, 15 Jan 2014, 17:50 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi We aren't doing anything to that density but are implementing something somewhat similar right now. Would certainly be interested to see hear how you go. We are doing 3 rooms with these as a bit of a pilot http://www.mersive.com/products/solstice/ It's basically software that runs on Windows and allows multiple users and device types to connect and share content. Our most dense room will be 60 users with 8 of these boxes, 2 fixed on wired network and 6 trolleys running wireless. Designed to be flexible small group learning spaces. Lee, I notice you're looking at Mersive as well, how are you setting yours up? -- Jason Cook The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005 Ph: +61 8 8313 4800 e-mail: jason.c...@adelaide.edu.aumailto:jason.c...@adelaide.edu.aumailto:jason.c...@adelaide.edu.au%3cmailto:jason.c...@adelaide.edu.au From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hurt,Trenton W. Sent: Thursday, 16 January 2014 4:02 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi Yes that's definitely the plan to wire the apple tvs. The way they envision this is having 12 displays and have students break out into smaller study/collaboration groups on the fly, with modular furniture that they can move to accomadate. So it wouldn't be an individual instructor controlling all 12. It could be anyone of the 180 users in the class all of which either have ipad or iphone or both. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Coehoorn, Joel Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 12:27 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi I think most of all, they wouldn't like the results even if the wireless worked. I imagine instructors will at some point expect to be able to mirror a single device to all twelve screens at once, so they all show the same thing, and I don't believe that Apple's AirPlay will work that way. It's my understanding that if they have 12 Apple TVs, they'll need to be running 12 separate iPads/iPhones/Macs to take advantage of those screens. If that's what they want to do, that's one thing... but somehow I don't see it being used that way. It seems much more likely that what they really want is one AppleTV connected to a redistributor that will show a single instructor's iPad across all 12 screen with only one connection, or if you have a good enough controller system, just those screens that the instructor selects. Now, about the wireless actually working... hahahaha, how cute. What you could do is run a network drop for each AppleTV, and make sure the wired network drop gets an address from your wireless range, or is exposed to your wireless range via a bonjour gateway. That would at least take a lot of the traffic out of the rf space. [http://www.york.edu/ycsealsig.png] Joel Coehoorn Director of Information Technology York College, Nebraska 402.363.5603 jcoeho...@york.edumailto:jcoeho...@york.edu [http://www.york.edu/mvplogo.png] The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society On Wed
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
Hi Lee, On 16/01/14 06:27, Lee H Badman wrote: To allow for display mirroring (and a lot more functionality) for ALL device types we are strongly leaning towards Mersive's Soltice software. It requires zero network reconfiguration, no multicast, and just fits like a glove. We are negotiating on $$ with Mersive after successful demos Does it actually mirror any iOS display natively? I had a quick look at the datasheet and it says Mirror iOS content via Apple TV connection. We got a demo of Crestron AirMedia yesterday and were unimpressed with its lack of mirroring from iOS - you can only display from their app. If we were happy with that, our projectors (Epson) have their own app available now. For us, being a K-12 school that only has Apple devices, the Apple TV is a no brainer given its price. -- James Andrewartha Network Projects Engineer Christ Church Grammar School Claremont, Western Australia Ph. (08) 9442 1757 Mob. 0424 160 877 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
Hi James, Not sure what you're looking at, but AppleTV has nothing to do with Mersive. I'm not trying to sell their stuff, just quite fond of it after the frustrations of what the network needs to have done to it (bigger networks are worse) for AppleTV. I see TCO of AppleTV as $99 (for AppleTV) + lots of hours dorking with the network + lots of support issues when it becomes a service so relied on that it simply can't tolerate almost-guaranteed disruption/unpredictability + time spent trying to accommodate non-Apple devices = AppleTV actually costs hundreds (or thousands) of dollars and leaves you with a network you'd probably prefer not to have, and a fragmented what device can do what environment for diplay mirroring. I like the Mersive paradigm as an alternative- it asks nothing of the network. Although I'd still like to see Apple fix their own limitations. -Lee Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of James Andrewartha [jandrewar...@ccgs.wa.edu.au] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:57 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi Hi Lee, On 16/01/14 06:27, Lee H Badman wrote: To allow for display mirroring (and a lot more functionality) for ALL device types we are strongly leaning towards Mersive's Soltice software. It requires zero network reconfiguration, no multicast, and just fits like a glove. We are negotiating on $$ with Mersive after successful demos Does it actually mirror any iOS display natively? I had a quick look at the datasheet and it says Mirror iOS content via Apple TV connection. We got a demo of Crestron AirMedia yesterday and were unimpressed with its lack of mirroring from iOS - you can only display from their app. If we were happy with that, our projectors (Epson) have their own app available now. For us, being a K-12 school that only has Apple devices, the Apple TV is a no brainer given its price. -- James Andrewartha Network Projects Engineer Christ Church Grammar School Claremont, Western Australia Ph. (08) 9442 1757 Mob. 0424 160 877 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
Hi Lee, On 16/01/14 12:07, Lee H Badman wrote: Not sure what you're looking at, but AppleTV has nothing to do with Mersive. I'm not trying to sell their stuff, just quite fond of it after the frustrations of what the network needs to have done to it (bigger networks are worse) for AppleTV. I was looking at the Solstice datasheet [1] which seems to indicate it doesn't do AirPlay on its own. I see TCO of AppleTV as $99 (for AppleTV) + lots of hours dorking with the network + lots of support issues when it becomes a service so relied on that it simply can't tolerate almost-guaranteed disruption/unpredictability + time spent trying to accommodate non-Apple devices = AppleTV actually costs hundreds (or thousands) of dollars and leaves you with a network you'd probably prefer not to have, and a fragmented what device can do what environment for diplay mirroring. Absolutely, you have to determine whether it's worth it, for Apple TVs or Solstice. I'm just trying to determine feature compatibility - from what I can tell, the Solstice app [1] can only play media files or view webpages, it's not true iOS display mirroring and so doesn't solve the what device can do what environment. Perhaps that's all your classes need, but not being able to mirror other iOS apps makes it a non-starter for our requirements. I like the Mersive paradigm as an alternative- it asks nothing of the network. Although I'd still like to see Apple fix their own limitations. Sure, I wish you could drop Apple TVs into a directory like printers (though AirPrint indicates that's going away too) and just choose from a list. Actually, you can with the latest MDM stuff [3], but then you're having to push configuration to the device. Bonjour even supports wide-area DNS-SD, just the Apple TV doesn't for what appears to be pandering to big content. [1] http://www.mersive.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/Solstice-data-sheet.pdf [2] https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/solstice-client/id604298374?mt=8 [3] http://help.apple.com/profilemanager/mac/3.0/#apd621BA9DF-4301-4D76-8A90-84E05E343FFA -- James Andrewartha Network Projects Engineer Christ Church Grammar School Claremont, Western Australia Ph. (08) 9442 1757 Mob. 0424 160 877 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
Hi James, You are right it doesn't do mirroring as such for IOS. The mersive guys are pretty helpful, if you are interested it would be worth having a chat with them anyway, they might be pushing for such a feature in the future. As you say ultimately it's about choosing something that fits your requirements, IOS mirroring wasn't on our list as required but certainly nice to have... I'm sure it's only a matter of time until the requests pour in. I believe we are also looking at a couple of AB tutor licenses, don't know if this has anything of use https://abtutor.com/ios_features Regards Jason -- Jason Cook The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005 Ph: +61 8 8313 4800 e-mail: jason.c...@adelaide.edu.aumailto:jason.c...@adelaide.edu.au -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of James Andrewartha Sent: Thursday, 16 January 2014 2:54 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi Hi Lee, On 16/01/14 12:07, Lee H Badman wrote: Not sure what you're looking at, but AppleTV has nothing to do with Mersive. I'm not trying to sell their stuff, just quite fond of it after the frustrations of what the network needs to have done to it (bigger networks are worse) for AppleTV. I was looking at the Solstice datasheet [1] which seems to indicate it doesn't do AirPlay on its own. I see TCO of AppleTV as $99 (for AppleTV) + lots of hours dorking with the network + lots of support issues when it becomes a service so relied on that it simply can't tolerate almost-guaranteed disruption/unpredictability + time spent trying to accommodate non-Apple devices = AppleTV actually costs hundreds (or thousands) of dollars and leaves you with a network you'd probably prefer not to have, and a fragmented what device can do what environment for diplay mirroring. Absolutely, you have to determine whether it's worth it, for Apple TVs or Solstice. I'm just trying to determine feature compatibility - from what I can tell, the Solstice app [1] can only play media files or view webpages, it's not true iOS display mirroring and so doesn't solve the what device can do what environment. Perhaps that's all your classes need, but not being able to mirror other iOS apps makes it a non-starter for our requirements. I like the Mersive paradigm as an alternative- it asks nothing of the network. Although I'd still like to see Apple fix their own limitations. Sure, I wish you could drop Apple TVs into a directory like printers (though AirPrint indicates that's going away too) and just choose from a list. Actually, you can with the latest MDM stuff [3], but then you're having to push configuration to the device. Bonjour even supports wide-area DNS-SD, just the Apple TV doesn't for what appears to be pandering to big content. [1] http://www.mersive.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/Solstice-data-sheet.pdf [2] https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/solstice-client/id604298374?mt=8 [3] http://help.apple.com/profilemanager/mac/3.0/#apd621BA9DF-4301-4D76-8A90-84E05E343FFA -- James Andrewartha Network Projects Engineer Christ Church Grammar School Claremont, Western Australia Ph. (08) 9442 1757 Mob. 0424 160 877 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
I've been **very** happy using AirServer (www.airserverapp.com) instead of AppleTVs for mirroring. The software installs to a PC or Mac, and allows the computer to act as an AppleTV. It even supports multiple-simultaneous connections and recording(!) - (recording is currently Mac only, coming soon for PC). What connected classroom doesn't already have a PC or Mac where you could just install this program? And it's only $4 per classroom. That's not a typo. The downside is that this does make demands on your network... namely, that your classroom PCs be on the same subnet as your wireless devices, or that you complete the same kind of mDNS gateway setup for the classroom computer that you would have needed to do for an AppleTV. I know this sounds a bit like an advertisement, but I'm just a *very* happy customer. We started a pilot with 12 real AppleTVs in the summer/early fall of 2012, and within a few weeks of discovering this we had ripped all of the AppleTVs out and deployed this campus-wide, for less than the smaller pilot program cost. The software can be set to run all the time, or start on demand, though either way the user must be logged into a PC before it will accept a stream. I've found it works best when started on demand... this cuts down on the number of classrooms that show available for mirroring from the iPad, making it easier to find what you're looking for, and it also solves the issue of a random student or passerby interrupting a lecture already using the computer by kicking off a stream. Also, there was a bug for the PC version back in 2012 (since fixed) with running as a service, so that's just part of the deployment we have now. Joel Coehoorn Director of Information Technology York College, Nebraska 402.363.5603 jcoeho...@york.edu *The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society* On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Jason Cook jason.c...@adelaide.edu.auwrote: Hi James, You are right it doesn't do mirroring as such for IOS. The mersive guys are pretty helpful, if you are interested it would be worth having a chat with them anyway, they might be pushing for such a feature in the future. As you say ultimately it's about choosing something that fits your requirements, IOS mirroring wasn't on our list as required but certainly nice to have... I'm sure it's only a matter of time until the requests pour in. I believe we are also looking at a couple of AB tutor licenses, don't know if this has anything of use https://abtutor.com/ios_features Regards Jason -- Jason Cook The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005 Ph: +61 8 8313 4800 e-mail: jason.c...@adelaide.edu.aumailto:jason.c...@adelaide.edu.au -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of James Andrewartha Sent: Thursday, 16 January 2014 2:54 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi Hi Lee, On 16/01/14 12:07, Lee H Badman wrote: Not sure what you're looking at, but AppleTV has nothing to do with Mersive. I'm not trying to sell their stuff, just quite fond of it after the frustrations of what the network needs to have done to it (bigger networks are worse) for AppleTV. I was looking at the Solstice datasheet [1] which seems to indicate it doesn't do AirPlay on its own. I see TCO of AppleTV as $99 (for AppleTV) + lots of hours dorking with the network + lots of support issues when it becomes a service so relied on that it simply can't tolerate almost-guaranteed disruption/unpredictability + time spent trying to accommodate non-Apple devices = AppleTV actually costs hundreds (or thousands) of dollars and leaves you with a network you'd probably prefer not to have, and a fragmented what device can do what environment for diplay mirroring. Absolutely, you have to determine whether it's worth it, for Apple TVs or Solstice. I'm just trying to determine feature compatibility - from what I can tell, the Solstice app [1] can only play media files or view webpages, it's not true iOS display mirroring and so doesn't solve the what device can do what environment. Perhaps that's all your classes need, but not being able to mirror other iOS apps makes it a non-starter for our requirements. I like the Mersive paradigm as an alternative- it asks nothing of the network. Although I'd still like to see Apple fix their own limitations. Sure, I wish you could drop Apple TVs into a directory like printers (though AirPrint indicates that's going away too) and just choose from a list. Actually, you can with the latest MDM stuff [3], but then you're having to push configuration to the device. Bonjour even supports wide-area DNS-SD, just the Apple TV doesn't for what appears to be pandering
