RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories
I'm trying to get the FCC's attention on this: https://wirednot.wordpress.com/2015/08/19/an-open-letter-to-the-fcc/? -Lee Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Mike King m...@mpking.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 9:01 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories I know it's two weeks later, but Smart Holdings just got smacked by the FCC for the same thing. (Which is probably why you were asking) http://gizmodo.com/its-about-damn-time-fcc-says-convention-centers-cant-b-1724805719?dfp_pp_ab=ondfp_desktop_three=offutm_expid=66866090-43.E9Bjfd6NTuSlXJewu2e_Ig.1utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Bob Brown bbr...@nww.commailto:bbr...@nww.com wrote: I'm looking to follow up on a series of stories we ran in late 2014/early 2015http://www.networkworld.com/article/2879142/wireless/fcc-still-has-ton-of-explaining-to-do-on-wi-fi-blocking-rules.html on the Marriott Wifi blocking issue. To refresh, the FCC fined Marriott for blocking a Wifi hotspot (or hotspots) at one of its hotel convention centers. The incident sparked quite a bit of discussion on this listserv, as university/college network pros wondered whether their own Wifi management/security practices would now be considered legit and whether the products they were using could still be used. *I've followed up with Marriott, whose CIO kicked me over to public relations, which naturally declined to comment. *The hospitality industry trade group had said at the time of the FCC/Marriott decisions that it was going to launch a cybersecurity task force to study this topic further, but they haven't responded to my inquiries, so I'm not sure whether such a task force was formed and if so, whether it has accomplished anything. *The FCC has been unresponsive on this matter entirely. *I've contacted WLAN vendors that I spoke to for some of the original articles to see if anything has changed on their end since the start of the year and they haven't had much to say so far. So, based on all this, I don't have much of an update to write about at this point...perhaps exactly what these parties would like. But, I'm also wondering if any of you who were trying to figure out earlier this year what the FCC decision/Marriott response meant to you, have taken any new approaches to managing/security Wifi on your campuses. If so, and you'd be willing to share your story, please touch base (or feel free to share with the listserv if appropriate). Regards, Bob Brown Online Executive Editor, News T: 508.766.5418tel:508.766.5418 LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/bobbrownboston | Twitter: @alphadoggshttps://twitter.com/alphadoggs | Facebook profilehttps://www.facebook.com/NetworkWorld | Google + profilehttps://plus.google.com/104712908618368674642/posts | Instagramhttp://instagram.com/nwwinstagram NETWORK WORLD 492 Old Connecticut Path | PO Box 9002 | Framingham, MA 01701-9002 NetworkWorld.comhttp://www.networkworld.com/ | Media Kithttp://www.networkworldmediakit.com/ | Conferences Eventshttp://events.networkworld.com/ An IDG Enterprisehttp://www.idgenterprise.com/ Brand ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories
Lee, I just read your Open Letter. Good work. Thank you. One question that I have for future reference is: “What constitutes blocking?” You mention White Noise or Frame manipulation… What if building owners have frequency blocking material as part of the design of the building. This could be considered passive blocking as opposed to white noise or frame manipulation but it is blocking regardless. We might want to know the FCC point of view on this before we create “wave free classrooms”! Best, Philippe Philippe Hanset www.eduriam.us On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:16 AM, Lee H Badman lhbad...@syr.edu wrote: I'm trying to get the FCC's attention on this: https://wirednot.wordpress.com/2015/08/19/an-open-letter-to-the-fcc/ https://wirednot.wordpress.com/2015/08/19/an-open-letter-to-the-fcc/ -Lee Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Mike King m...@mpking.com mailto:m...@mpking.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 9:01 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories I know it's two weeks later, but Smart Holdings just got smacked by the FCC for the same thing. (Which is probably why you were asking) http://gizmodo.com/its-about-damn-time-fcc-says-convention-centers-cant-b-1724805719?dfp_pp_ab=ondfp_desktop_three=offutm_expid=66866090-43.E9Bjfd6NTuSlXJewu2e_Ig.1utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F http://gizmodo.com/its-about-damn-time-fcc-says-convention-centers-cant-b-1724805719?dfp_pp_ab=ondfp_desktop_three=offutm_expid=66866090-43.E9Bjfd6NTuSlXJewu2e_Ig.1utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Bob Brown bbr...@nww.com mailto:bbr...@nww.com wrote: I’m looking to follow up on a series of stories we ran in late 2014/early 2015 http://www.networkworld.com/article/2879142/wireless/fcc-still-has-ton-of-explaining-to-do-on-wi-fi-blocking-rules.html on the Marriott Wifi blocking issue. To refresh, the FCC fined Marriott for blocking a Wifi hotspot (or hotspots) at one of its hotel convention centers. The incident sparked quite a bit of discussion on this listserv, as university/college network pros wondered whether their own Wifi management/security practices would now be considered legit and whether the products they were using could still be used. *I’ve followed up with Marriott, whose CIO kicked me over to public relations, which naturally declined to comment. *The hospitality industry trade group had said at the time of the FCC/Marriott decisions that it was going to launch a cybersecurity task force to study this topic further, but they haven’t responded to my inquiries, so I’m not sure whether such a task force was formed and if so, whether it has accomplished anything. *The FCC has been unresponsive on this matter entirely. *I’ve contacted WLAN vendors that I spoke to for some of the original articles to see if anything has changed on their end since the start of the year and they haven’t had much to say so far. So, based on all this, I don’t have much of an update to write about at this point…perhaps exactly what these parties would like. But, I’m also wondering if any of you who were trying to figure out earlier this year what the FCC decision/Marriott response meant to you, have taken any new approaches to managing/security Wifi on your campuses. If so, and you’d be willing to share your story, please touch base (or feel free to share with the listserv if appropriate). Regards, Bob Brown Online Executive Editor, News T: 508.766.5418 tel:508.766.5418 LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobbrownboston | Twitter: @alphadoggs https://twitter.com/alphadoggs | Facebook profile https://www.facebook.com/NetworkWorld | Google + profile https://plus.google.com/104712908618368674642/posts | Instagram http://instagram.com/nwwinstagram NETWORK WORLD 492 Old Connecticut Path | PO Box 9002 | Framingham, MA 01701-9002 NetworkWorld.com http://www.networkworld.com/ | Media Kit http://www.networkworldmediakit.com/ | Conferences Events http://events.networkworld.com/ An IDG Enterprise http://www.idgenterprise.com/ Brand ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/ http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/ http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories
It's a good point, and there was a bit of chatter on this on Twitter. The FCC has left the whole thing way too open-ended given the popularity of Wi-Fi, and a lot of topics bleed over on to each other. I'd be surprised if they responded in any way- the preference seems to be to ambush users with fines. Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Philippe Hanset phan...@anyroam.net Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 10:34 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories Lee, I just read your Open Letter. Good work. Thank you. One question that I have for future reference is: “What constitutes blocking?” You mention White Noise or Frame manipulation… What if building owners have frequency blocking material as part of the design of the building. This could be considered passive blocking as opposed to white noise or frame manipulation but it is blocking regardless. We might want to know the FCC point of view on this before we create “wave free classrooms”! Best, Philippe Philippe Hanset www.eduriam.ushttp://www.eduriam.us/ On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:16 AM, Lee H Badman lhbad...@syr.edumailto:lhbad...@syr.edu wrote: I'm trying to get the FCC's attention on this: https://wirednot.wordpress.com/2015/08/19/an-open-letter-to-the-fcc/ -Lee Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Mike King m...@mpking.commailto:m...@mpking.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 9:01 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories I know it's two weeks later, but Smart Holdings just got smacked by the FCC for the same thing. (Which is probably why you were asking) http://gizmodo.com/its-about-damn-time-fcc-says-convention-centers-cant-b-1724805719?dfp_pp_ab=ondfp_desktop_three=offutm_expid=66866090-43.E9Bjfd6NTuSlXJewu2e_Ig.1utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Bob Brown bbr...@nww.commailto:bbr...@nww.com wrote: I’m looking to follow up on a series of stories we ran in late 2014/early 2015http://www.networkworld.com/article/2879142/wireless/fcc-still-has-ton-of-explaining-to-do-on-wi-fi-blocking-rules.html on the Marriott Wifi blocking issue. To refresh, the FCC fined Marriott for blocking a Wifi hotspot (or hotspots) at one of its hotel convention centers. The incident sparked quite a bit of discussion on this listserv, as university/college network pros wondered whether their own Wifi management/security practices would now be considered legit and whether the products they were using could still be used. *I’ve followed up with Marriott, whose CIO kicked me over to public relations, which naturally declined to comment. *The hospitality industry trade group had said at the time of the FCC/Marriott decisions that it was going to launch a cybersecurity task force to study this topic further, but they haven’t responded to my inquiries, so I’m not sure whether such a task force was formed and if so, whether it has accomplished anything. *The FCC has been unresponsive on this matter entirely. *I’ve contacted WLAN vendors that I spoke to for some of the original articles to see if anything has changed on their end since the start of the year and they haven’t had much to say so far. So, based on all this, I don’t have much of an update to write about at this point…perhaps exactly what these parties would like. But, I’m also wondering if any of you who were trying to figure out earlier this year what the FCC decision/Marriott response meant to you, have taken any new approaches to managing/security Wifi on your campuses. If so, and you’d be willing to share your story, please touch base (or feel free to share with the listserv if appropriate). Regards, Bob Brown Online Executive Editor, News T: 508.766.5418tel:508.766.5418 LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/bobbrownboston | Twitter: @alphadoggshttps://twitter.com/alphadoggs | Facebook profilehttps://www.facebook.com/NetworkWorld | Google + profilehttps://plus.google.com/104712908618368674642/posts | Instagramhttp://instagram.com/nwwinstagram NETWORK WORLD 492 Old Connecticut Path | PO Box 9002 | Framingham, MA 01701-9002 NetworkWorld.comhttp://www.networkworld.com/ | Media Kithttp://www.networkworldmediakit.com/ | Conferences Eventshttp://events.networkworld.com/ An IDG Enterprisehttp://www.idgenterprise.com/ Brand ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories
I’m not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV, but the relevant statute is section 333 of the Communications Act of 1934. Here it is in its entirety: No person shall willfully or maliciously interfere with or cause interference to any radio communications of any station licensed or authorized by or under this Act or operated by the United States Government. This begs the question, just what is meant by interference? They did not bother to define it in the act. That got me looking for how the FCC defines interference. Different parts of CFR 47 define it slightly differently, but all the definitions I’ve found that refer to interfering with transmissions refers to “active” interference. This suggests to me that passive measures are acceptable. I recall a ruling by the FCC some years ago (I’m thinking 2007-ish) that Ok’d RF blocking paint in a movie theater, but I can’t turn up anything in Goggle. Chuck Enfield Manager, Wireless Systems Engineering Telecommunications Networking Services The Pennsylvania State University 110H, USB2, UP, PA 16802 ph: 814.863.8715 fx: 814.865.3988 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Philippe Hanset Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 10:35 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories Lee, I just read your Open Letter. Good work. Thank you. One question that I have for future reference is: “What constitutes blocking?” You mention White Noise or Frame manipulation… What if building owners have frequency blocking material as part of the design of the building. This could be considered passive blocking as opposed to white noise or frame manipulation but it is blocking regardless. We might want to know the FCC point of view on this before we create “wave free classrooms”! Best, Philippe Philippe Hanset www.eduriam.us http://www.eduriam.us On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:16 AM, Lee H Badman lhbad...@syr.edu mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu wrote: I'm trying to get the FCC's attention on this: https://wirednot.wordpress.com/2015/08/19/an-open-letter-to-the-fcc/-Lee Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 _ From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Mike King m...@mpking.com mailto:m...@mpking.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 9:01 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories I know it's two weeks later, but Smart Holdings just got smacked by the FCC for the same thing. (Which is probably why you were asking) http://gizmodo.com/its-about-damn-time-fcc-says-convention-centers-cant-b-1724805719?dfp_pp_ab=on http://gizmodo.com/its-about-damn-time-fcc-says-convention-centers-cant-b-1724805719?dfp_pp_ab=ondfp_desktop_three=offutm_expid=66866090-43.E9Bjfd6NTuSlXJewu2e_Ig.1utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F dfp_desktop_three=offutm_expid=66866090-43.E9Bjfd6NTuSlXJewu2e_Ig.1utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Bob Brown bbr...@nww.com mailto:bbr...@nww.com wrote: I’m looking to follow up on a series of stories we ran in late 2014/early 2015 http://www.networkworld.com/article/2879142/wireless/fcc-still-has-ton-of-explaining-to-do-on-wi-fi-blocking-rules.html on the Marriott Wifi blocking issue. To refresh, the FCC fined Marriott for blocking a Wifi hotspot (or hotspots) at one of its hotel convention centers. The incident sparked quite a bit of discussion on this listserv, as university/college network pros wondered whether their own Wifi management/security practices would now be considered legit and whether the products they were using could still be used. *I’ve followed up with Marriott, whose CIO kicked me over to public relations, which naturally declined to comment. *The hospitality industry trade group had said at the time of the FCC/Marriott decisions that it was going to launch a cybersecurity task force to study this topic further, but they haven’t responded to my inquiries, so I’m not sure whether such a task force was formed and if so, whether it has accomplished anything. *The FCC has been unresponsive on this matter entirely. *I’ve contacted WLAN vendors that I spoke to for some of the original articles to see if anything has changed on their end since the start of the year and they haven’t had much to say so far. So, based on all this, I don’t have much of an update to write about at this point…perhaps exactly what these parties would like. But, I’m also wondering if any of you who were trying to figure out earlier this year what the FCC decision/Marriott response meant
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories
Does that include MiFis? Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Frank Sweetser f...@wpi.edu Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 11:22 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories Students should be a relatively easy case. At least here, we make them sign an AUP, which references explicit provisions about not running unauthorized APs. Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu| For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 08/20/2015 11:19 AM, Philippe Hanset wrote: We need to wait on an unfortunate school to be sued by a student due to Mi-Fi blocking in a Residential Property -Student: I pay rent, I can do whatever I want in my room -School: We provide “free” Wi-FI to all rooms and the interferences are becoming unmanageable to a point where we have more trouble tickets than packets being successfully sent or received. We had to do something. -Lawyers: Either way, we will cash on this! -FCC: So, we have an Interferer being interfered by another interferer. Could Scott Adams please give us some wisdom on this Philippe Philippe Hanset On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Lee H Badman lhbad...@syr.edu mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu wrote: It's a good point, and there was a bit of chatter on this on Twitter. The FCC has left the whole thing way too open-ended given the popularity of Wi-Fi, and a lot of topics bleed over on to each other. I'd be surprised if they responded in any way- the preference seems to be to ambush users with fines. *Lee H. Badman* Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 -- *From:*The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Philippe Hanset phan...@anyroam.net mailto:phan...@anyroam.net *Sent:*Thursday, August 20, 2015 10:34 AM *To:*WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU *Subject:*Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories Lee, I just read your Open Letter. Good work. Thank you. One question that I have for future reference is: “What constitutes blocking?” You mention White Noise or Frame manipulation… What if building owners have frequency blocking material as part of the design of the building. This could be considered passive blocking as opposed to white noise or frame manipulation but it is blocking regardless. We might want to know the FCC point of view on this before we create “wave free classrooms”! Best, Philippe Philippe Hanset www.eduriam.us http://www.eduriam.us/ On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:16 AM, Lee H Badman lhbad...@syr.edu mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu wrote: I'm trying to get the FCC's attention on this: https://wirednot.wordpress.com/2015/08/19/an-open-letter-to-the-fcc/ -Lee *Lee H. Badman* Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 -- *From:*The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Mike King m...@mpking.com mailto:m...@mpking.com *Sent:*Wednesday, August 19, 2015 9:01 PM *To:*WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU *Subject:*Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories I know it's two weeks later, but Smart Holdings just got smacked by the FCC for the same thing. (Which is probably why you were asking) http://gizmodo.com/its-about-damn-time-fcc-says-convention-centers-cant-b-1724805719?dfp_pp_ab=ondfp_desktop_three=offutm_expid=66866090-43.E9Bjfd6NTuSlXJewu2e_Ig.1utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Bob Brownbbr...@nww.com mailto:bbr...@nww.comwrote: I’m looking to follow up on aseries of stories we ran in late 2014/early 2015 http://www.networkworld.com/article/2879142/wireless/fcc-still-has-ton-of-explaining-to-do-on-wi-fi-blocking-rules.htmlon the Marriott Wifi blocking issue. To refresh, the FCC fined Marriott for blocking a Wifi hotspot (or hotspots) at one of its hotel convention centers. The incident sparked quite a bit of discussion on this listserv, as university/college network pros wondered whether their own Wifi management/security practices would now be considered legit and whether the products they were using could still be used. *I’ve followed up
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories
Or cell phone tethering? -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 10:26 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories Does that include MiFis? Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories
Students should be a relatively easy case. At least here, we make them sign an AUP, which references explicit provisions about not running unauthorized APs. Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu| For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 08/20/2015 11:19 AM, Philippe Hanset wrote: We need to wait on an unfortunate school to be sued by a student due to Mi-Fi blocking in a Residential Property -Student: I pay rent, I can do whatever I want in my room -School: We provide “free” Wi-FI to all rooms and the interferences are becoming unmanageable to a point where we have more trouble tickets than packets being successfully sent or received. We had to do something. -Lawyers: Either way, we will cash on this! -FCC: So, we have an Interferer being interfered by another interferer. Could Scott Adams please give us some wisdom on this Philippe Philippe Hanset On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Lee H Badman lhbad...@syr.edu mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu wrote: It's a good point, and there was a bit of chatter on this on Twitter. The FCC has left the whole thing way too open-ended given the popularity of Wi-Fi, and a lot of topics bleed over on to each other. I'd be surprised if they responded in any way- the preference seems to be to ambush users with fines. *Lee H. Badman* Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 -- *From:*The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Philippe Hanset phan...@anyroam.net mailto:phan...@anyroam.net *Sent:*Thursday, August 20, 2015 10:34 AM *To:*WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU *Subject:*Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories Lee, I just read your Open Letter. Good work. Thank you. One question that I have for future reference is: “What constitutes blocking?” You mention White Noise or Frame manipulation… What if building owners have frequency blocking material as part of the design of the building. This could be considered passive blocking as opposed to white noise or frame manipulation but it is blocking regardless. We might want to know the FCC point of view on this before we create “wave free classrooms”! Best, Philippe Philippe Hanset www.eduriam.us http://www.eduriam.us/ On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:16 AM, Lee H Badman lhbad...@syr.edu mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu wrote: I'm trying to get the FCC's attention on this: https://wirednot.wordpress.com/2015/08/19/an-open-letter-to-the-fcc/ -Lee *Lee H. Badman* Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 -- *From:*The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Mike King m...@mpking.com mailto:m...@mpking.com *Sent:*Wednesday, August 19, 2015 9:01 PM *To:*WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU *Subject:*Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories I know it's two weeks later, but Smart Holdings just got smacked by the FCC for the same thing. (Which is probably why you were asking) http://gizmodo.com/its-about-damn-time-fcc-says-convention-centers-cant-b-1724805719?dfp_pp_ab=ondfp_desktop_three=offutm_expid=66866090-43.E9Bjfd6NTuSlXJewu2e_Ig.1utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Bob Brownbbr...@nww.com mailto:bbr...@nww.comwrote: I’m looking to follow up on aseries of stories we ran in late 2014/early 2015 http://www.networkworld.com/article/2879142/wireless/fcc-still-has-ton-of-explaining-to-do-on-wi-fi-blocking-rules.htmlon the Marriott Wifi blocking issue. To refresh, the FCC fined Marriott for blocking a Wifi hotspot (or hotspots) at one of its hotel convention centers. The incident sparked quite a bit of discussion on this listserv, as university/college network pros wondered whether their own Wifi management/security practices would now be considered legit and whether the products they were using could still be used. *I’ve followed up with Marriott, whose CIO kicked me over to public relations, which naturally declined to comment. *The hospitality industry trade group had said at the time of the FCC/Marriott decisions that it was going to launch a cybersecurity task force to study this topic further, but they haven’t responded to my inquiries, so I’m not sure whether such a task force was formed and if so, whether it has accomplished anything. *The FCC has been unresponsive on this matter entirely. *I’ve contacted WLAN vendors
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We don't call out the variants (MiFis, hotspots, Nintendo DS WiFi USB adapter, etc...). Instead we just focus on anything broadcasting an SSID as interfering with or degrading WPI network service, in that it's competing for scarce airtime. That said, we *don't* launch countermeasures against anything that comes up. We simply have far too many edge cases (networks from adjacent buildings in residential areas, misconfigured Windows machines silently creating ad-hoc networks, legitimate research projects that didn't know any better...), especially in any kind of automated fashion. Instead we monitor the reports, both in the system and word of mouth. Anything we find we then address with a light hand, typically no more than a light slap on the wrist unless we find evidence that they're willfully going against the rules. Having the AUP in place and enforceable (at least on our own community members, as opposed to random visitors) does give us critical leverage to make this all work. Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu| For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 08/20/2015 11:25 AM, Lee H Badman wrote: Does that include MiFis? Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Frank Sweetser f...@wpi.edu Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 11:22 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories Students should be a relatively easy case. At least here, we make them sign an AUP, which references explicit provisions about not running unauthorized APs. Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu| For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 08/20/2015 11:19 AM, Philippe Hanset wrote: We need to wait on an unfortunate school to be sued by a student due to Mi-Fi blocking in a Residential Property -Student: I pay rent, I can do whatever I want in my room -School: We provide “free” Wi-FI to all rooms and the interferences are becoming unmanageable to a point where we have more trouble tickets than packets being successfully sent or received. We had to do something. -Lawyers: Either way, we will cash on this! -FCC: So, we have an Interferer being interfered by another interferer. Could Scott Adams please give us some wisdom on this Philippe Philippe Hanset On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Lee H Badman lhbad...@syr.edu mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu wrote: It's a good point, and there was a bit of chatter on this on Twitter. The FCC has left the whole thing way too open-ended given the popularity of Wi-Fi, and a lot of topics bleed over on to each other. I'd be surprised if they responded in any way- the preference seems to be to ambush users with fines. *Lee H. Badman* Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 -- *From:*The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Philippe Hanset phan...@anyroam.net mailto:phan...@anyroam.net *Sent:*Thursday, August 20, 2015 10:34 AM *To:*WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU *Subject:*Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories Lee, I just read your Open Letter. Good work. Thank you. One question that I have for future reference is: “What constitutes blocking?” You mention White Noise or Frame manipulation… What if building owners have frequency blocking material as part of the design of the building. This could be considered passive blocking as opposed to white noise or frame manipulation but it is blocking regardless. We might want to know the FCC point of view on this before we create “wave free classrooms”! Best, Philippe Philippe Hanset www.eduriam.us http://www.eduriam.us/ On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:16 AM, Lee H Badman lhbad...@syr.edu mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu wrote: I'm trying to get the FCC's attention on this: https://wirednot.wordpress.com/2015/08/19/an-open-letter-to-the-fcc/ -Lee *Lee H. Badman* Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 -- *From:*The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Mike King m...@mpking.com mailto:m...@mpking.com *Sent:*Wednesday, August 19, 2015 9:01 PM *To:*WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
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One thing I’ve noticed in the LEED buildings we’ve recently built (2 dorms/colleges and a Physics building), is that the windows block the heat from the sun, which reduces need for A/C, etc. The heat from the sun is just another type of RF, basically. This has a side effect of blocking some, and greatly reducing many cellular signals INTO the building (students have actually had to open the windows to be able to use their cell phones in their dorm room, which causes the A/C to shut off). However, this also means, that any wireless signal going OUT is blocked as well. The law of unintended consequences. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Philippe Hanset Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 9:35 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories Lee, I just read your Open Letter. Good work. Thank you. One question that I have for future reference is: “What constitutes blocking?” You mention White Noise or Frame manipulation… What if building owners have frequency blocking material as part of the design of the building. This could be considered passive blocking as opposed to white noise or frame manipulation but it is blocking regardless. We might want to know the FCC point of view on this before we create “wave free classrooms”! Best, Philippe Philippe Hanset www.eduriam.us ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
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We need to wait on an unfortunate school to be sued by a student due to Mi-Fi blocking in a Residential Property -Student: I pay rent, I can do whatever I want in my room -School: We provide “free” Wi-FI to all rooms and the interferences are becoming unmanageable to a point where we have more trouble tickets than packets being successfully sent or received. We had to do something. -Lawyers: Either way, we will cash on this! -FCC: So, we have an Interferer being interfered by another interferer. Could Scott Adams please give us some wisdom on this Philippe Philippe Hanset On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Lee H Badman lhbad...@syr.edu wrote: It's a good point, and there was a bit of chatter on this on Twitter. The FCC has left the whole thing way too open-ended given the popularity of Wi-Fi, and a lot of topics bleed over on to each other. I'd be surprised if they responded in any way- the preference seems to be to ambush users with fines. Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Philippe Hanset phan...@anyroam.net mailto:phan...@anyroam.net Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 10:34 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories Lee, I just read your Open Letter. Good work. Thank you. One question that I have for future reference is: “What constitutes blocking?” You mention White Noise or Frame manipulation… What if building owners have frequency blocking material as part of the design of the building. This could be considered passive blocking as opposed to white noise or frame manipulation but it is blocking regardless. We might want to know the FCC point of view on this before we create “wave free classrooms”! Best, Philippe Philippe Hanset www.eduriam.us http://www.eduriam.us/ On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:16 AM, Lee H Badman lhbad...@syr.edu mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu wrote: I'm trying to get the FCC's attention on this: https://wirednot.wordpress.com/2015/08/19/an-open-letter-to-the-fcc/ https://wirednot.wordpress.com/2015/08/19/an-open-letter-to-the-fcc/ -Lee Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Mike King m...@mpking.com mailto:m...@mpking.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 9:01 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories I know it's two weeks later, but Smart Holdings just got smacked by the FCC for the same thing. (Which is probably why you were asking) http://gizmodo.com/its-about-damn-time-fcc-says-convention-centers-cant-b-1724805719?dfp_pp_ab=ondfp_desktop_three=offutm_expid=66866090-43.E9Bjfd6NTuSlXJewu2e_Ig.1utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F http://gizmodo.com/its-about-damn-time-fcc-says-convention-centers-cant-b-1724805719?dfp_pp_ab=ondfp_desktop_three=offutm_expid=66866090-43.E9Bjfd6NTuSlXJewu2e_Ig.1utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Bob Brown bbr...@nww.com mailto:bbr...@nww.com wrote: I’m looking to follow up on a series of stories we ran in late 2014/early 2015 http://www.networkworld.com/article/2879142/wireless/fcc-still-has-ton-of-explaining-to-do-on-wi-fi-blocking-rules.html on the Marriott Wifi blocking issue. To refresh, the FCC fined Marriott for blocking a Wifi hotspot (or hotspots) at one of its hotel convention centers. The incident sparked quite a bit of discussion on this listserv, as university/college network pros wondered whether their own Wifi management/security practices would now be considered legit and whether the products they were using could still be used. *I’ve followed up with Marriott, whose CIO kicked me over to public relations, which naturally declined to comment. *The hospitality industry trade group had said at the time of the FCC/Marriott decisions that it was going to launch a cybersecurity task force to study this topic further, but they haven’t responded to my inquiries, so I’m not sure whether such a task force was formed and if so, whether it has accomplished anything. *The FCC has been unresponsive on this matter entirely. *I’ve contacted WLAN vendors that I spoke to for some of the original articles to see if anything has changed on their end since the start of the year and they haven’t had much to say so far. So, based on all this, I don’t have much of an update to write about at this point
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Great input., and interesting stuff to ponder. Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Chuck Enfield chu...@psu.edu Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 11:07 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories I’m not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV, but the relevant statute is section 333 of the Communications Act of 1934. Here it is in its entirety: No person shall willfully or maliciously interfere with or cause interference to any radio communications of any station licensed or authorized by or under this Act or operated by the United States Government. This begs the question, just what is meant by interference? They did not bother to define it in the act. That got me looking for how the FCC defines interference. Different parts of CFR 47 define it slightly differently, but all the definitions I’ve found that refer to interfering with transmissions refers to “active” interference. This suggests to me that passive measures are acceptable. I recall a ruling by the FCC some years ago (I’m thinking 2007-ish) that Ok’d RF blocking paint in a movie theater, but I can’t turn up anything in Goggle. Chuck Enfield Manager, Wireless Systems Engineering Telecommunications Networking Services The Pennsylvania State University 110H, USB2, UP, PA 16802 ph: 814.863.8715 fx: 814.865.3988 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Philippe Hanset Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 10:35 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories Lee, I just read your Open Letter. Good work. Thank you. One question that I have for future reference is: “What constitutes blocking?” You mention White Noise or Frame manipulation… What if building owners have frequency blocking material as part of the design of the building. This could be considered passive blocking as opposed to white noise or frame manipulation but it is blocking regardless. We might want to know the FCC point of view on this before we create “wave free classrooms”! Best, Philippe Philippe Hanset www.eduriam.ushttp://www.eduriam.us/ On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:16 AM, Lee H Badman lhbad...@syr.edumailto:lhbad...@syr.edu wrote: I'm trying to get the FCC's attention on this: https://wirednot.wordpress.com/2015/08/19/an-open-letter-to-the-fcc/ -Lee Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Mike King m...@mpking.commailto:m...@mpking.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 9:01 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories I know it's two weeks later, but Smart Holdings just got smacked by the FCC for the same thing. (Which is probably why you were asking) http://gizmodo.com/its-about-damn-time-fcc-says-convention-centers-cant-b-1724805719?dfp_pp_ab=ondfp_desktop_three=offutm_expid=66866090-43.E9Bjfd6NTuSlXJewu2e_Ig.1utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Bob Brown bbr...@nww.commailto:bbr...@nww.com wrote: I’m looking to follow up on a series of stories we ran in late 2014/early 2015http://www.networkworld.com/article/2879142/wireless/fcc-still-has-ton-of-explaining-to-do-on-wi-fi-blocking-rules.html on the Marriott Wifi blocking issue. To refresh, the FCC fined Marriott for blocking a Wifi hotspot (or hotspots) at one of its hotel convention centers. The incident sparked quite a bit of discussion on this listserv, as university/college network pros wondered whether their own Wifi management/security practices would now be considered legit and whether the products they were using could still be used. *I’ve followed up with Marriott, whose CIO kicked me over to public relations, which naturally declined to comment. *The hospitality industry trade group had said at the time of the FCC/Marriott decisions that it was going to launch a cybersecurity task force to study this topic further, but they haven’t responded to my inquiries, so I’m not sure whether such a task force was formed and if so, whether it has accomplished anything. *The FCC has been unresponsive on this matter entirely. *I’ve contacted WLAN vendors that I spoke to for some of the original articles to see if anything has changed on their end since the start of the year and they haven’t had much to say so far. So, based on all this, I don’t have much of an update
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We really need the vendors to step up on this one; they are selling the ability to do this. Why are they selling me an option that, if turned on, is illegal. Cisco, HP/Aruba, Ruckus, etc need to get off their butts and get involved in this. Maybe they are behind the scenes, but I don’t see or hear about it. Thomas Carter Network and Operations Manager Austin College 903-813-2564 [AusColl_Logo_Email] From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Bob Brown Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 10:21 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories Actually, I can’t claim to have had any inside info about the Smart Holdings situation: Guess it was just good intuition. But am on vacay this week, so will pick things back up next week and catch up on related comments. Thanks, Bob Bob Brown Online Executive Editor, News T: 508.766.5418 LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/bobbrownboston | Twitter: @alphadoggshttps://twitter.com/alphadoggs | Facebook profilehttps://www.facebook.com/NetworkWorld | Google + profilehttps://plus.google.com/104712908618368674642/posts | Instagramhttp://instagram.com/nwwinstagram NETWORK WORLD 492 Old Connecticut Path | PO Box 9002 | Framingham, MA 01701-9002 NetworkWorld.comhttp://www.networkworld.com | Media Kithttp://www.networkworldmediakit.com | Conferences Eventshttp://events.networkworld.com An IDG Enterprisehttp://www.idgenterprise.com/ Brand From: Lee H Badman lhbad...@syr.edumailto:lhbad...@syr.edu Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 10:16 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories I'm trying to get the FCC's attention on this: https://wirednot.wordpress.com/2015/08/19/an-open-letter-to-the-fcc/ -Lee Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Mike King m...@mpking.commailto:m...@mpking.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 9:01 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories I know it's two weeks later, but Smart Holdings just got smacked by the FCC for the same thing. (Which is probably why you were asking) http://gizmodo.com/its-about-damn-time-fcc-says-convention-centers-cant-b-1724805719?dfp_pp_ab=ondfp_desktop_three=offutm_expid=66866090-43.E9Bjfd6NTuSlXJewu2e_Ig.1utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Bob Brown bbr...@nww.commailto:bbr...@nww.com wrote: I’m looking to follow up on a series of stories we ran in late 2014/early 2015http://www.networkworld.com/article/2879142/wireless/fcc-still-has-ton-of-explaining-to-do-on-wi-fi-blocking-rules.html on the Marriott Wifi blocking issue. To refresh, the FCC fined Marriott for blocking a Wifi hotspot (or hotspots) at one of its hotel convention centers. The incident sparked quite a bit of discussion on this listserv, as university/college network pros wondered whether their own Wifi management/security practices would now be considered legit and whether the products they were using could still be used. *I’ve followed up with Marriott, whose CIO kicked me over to public relations, which naturally declined to comment. *The hospitality industry trade group had said at the time of the FCC/Marriott decisions that it was going to launch a cybersecurity task force to study this topic further, but they haven’t responded to my inquiries, so I’m not sure whether such a task force was formed and if so, whether it has accomplished anything. *The FCC has been unresponsive on this matter entirely. *I’ve contacted WLAN vendors that I spoke to for some of the original articles to see if anything has changed on their end since the start of the year and they haven’t had much to say so far. So, based on all this, I don’t have much of an update to write about at this point…perhaps exactly what these parties would like. But, I’m also wondering if any of you who were trying to figure out earlier this year what the FCC decision/Marriott response meant to you, have taken any new approaches to managing/security Wifi on your campuses. If so, and you’d be willing to share your story, please touch base (or feel free to share with the listserv if appropriate). Regards, Bob Brown Online Executive Editor, News T
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This is consistent with PSU's position as it has been explained to me. You can have policies addressing what people are allowed to do on your property, and you can address violations of those policies through appropriate administrative and legal mechanisms. While, to my knowledge, this example was never been explicitly discussed, you could have a policy that Faculty, Staff and Students cannot operate MiFi devices on University property, and expel any violators. I believe hotels could take the same approach, and evict violators from their premises, though there are some additional legal restrictions on public accommodations of which I know almost nothing beyond the fact that they exist. As a business matter, though, it's definitely not a good decision to throw people out for doing commonplace things. Finding an administrative approach that is effective without hurting the business is a non-trivial matter. -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Danny Eaton Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 11:31 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories Or cell phone tethering? -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 10:26 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories Does that include MiFis? Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
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We are almost identical to this. We did active rogue prevention in the past, but it never worked as well as advertised anyway. The rogue device and the active prevention was just more noise pollution; too many students just stopped using their personal routers, etc but left them powered on and broadcasting. And there are too many devices interfering (*stink eye at HP printers*) without the students knowing they have an interfering device. We do a sweep early in the year to ferret out the rogues, and slip an information sheet under their door. This takes care of 90% of the cases. We do a follow up and the remaining 10% get handed over to our student life who usually convince them with just a talking to. Our best indicator throughout the year are complaints from students that wireless performance has dropped. That helps pinpoint the rogue as it's usually a room nearby. Thomas Carter Network and Operations Manager Austin College 903-813-2564 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Sweetser Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 10:48 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories We don't call out the variants (MiFis, hotspots, Nintendo DS WiFi USB adapter, etc...). Instead we just focus on anything broadcasting an SSID as interfering with or degrading WPI network service, in that it's competing for scarce airtime. That said, we *don't* launch countermeasures against anything that comes up. We simply have far too many edge cases (networks from adjacent buildings in residential areas, misconfigured Windows machines silently creating ad-hoc networks, legitimate research projects that didn't know any better...), especially in any kind of automated fashion. Instead we monitor the reports, both in the system and word of mouth. Anything we find we then address with a light hand, typically no more than a light slap on the wrist unless we find evidence that they're willfully going against the rules. Having the AUP in place and enforceable (at least on our own community members, as opposed to random visitors) does give us critical leverage to make this all work. Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu| For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 08/20/2015 11:25 AM, Lee H Badman wrote: Does that include MiFis? Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Frank Sweetser f...@wpi.edu Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 11:22 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories Students should be a relatively easy case. At least here, we make them sign an AUP, which references explicit provisions about not running unauthorized APs. Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu| For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 08/20/2015 11:19 AM, Philippe Hanset wrote: We need to wait on an unfortunate school to be sued by a student due to Mi-Fi blocking in a Residential Property -Student: I pay rent, I can do whatever I want in my room -School: We provide “free” Wi-FI to all rooms and the interferences are becoming unmanageable to a point where we have more trouble tickets than packets being successfully sent or received. We had to do something. -Lawyers: Either way, we will cash on this! -FCC: So, we have an Interferer being interfered by another interferer. Could Scott Adams please give us some wisdom on this Philippe Philippe Hanset On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Lee H Badman lhbad...@syr.edu mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu wrote: It's a good point, and there was a bit of chatter on this on Twitter. The FCC has left the whole thing way too open-ended given the popularity of Wi-Fi, and a lot of topics bleed over on to each other. I'd be surprised if they responded in any way- the preference seems to be to ambush users with fines. *Lee H. Badman* Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 -- *From:*The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Philippe Hanset phan...@anyroam.net mailto:phan...@anyroam.net *Sent:*Thursday, August 20, 2015 10:34 AM *To:*WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories
I think your manufacturer would tell you that it should only be used to block unauthorized extensions of your network. Launching a DoS attack against an AP on your own network is different from jamming licensed spectrum or DoS’ing any unfamiliar AP within earshot of yours regardless of what it’s doing. The FCC has made it clear that the latter are unacceptable. I’m not sure the former has been addressed. That said, both statute and regulation make the sale and distribution of jamming devices illegal. I wonder rouge AP suppression makes our APs jamming devices. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 12:31 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories We really need the vendors to step up on this one; they are selling the ability to do this. Why are they selling me an option that, if turned on, is illegal. Cisco, HP/Aruba, Ruckus, etc need to get off their butts and get involved in this. Maybe they are behind the scenes, but I don’t see or hear about it. Thomas Carter Network and Operations Manager Austin College 903-813-2564 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Bob Brown Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 10:21 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories Actually, I can’t claim to have had any inside info about the Smart Holdings situation: Guess it was just good intuition. But am on vacay this week, so will pick things back up next week and catch up on related comments. Thanks, Bob Bob Brown Online Executive Editor, News T: 508.766.5418 http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobbrownboston LinkedIn | Twitter: @alphadoggs https://twitter.com/alphadoggs | Facebook profile https://www.facebook.com/NetworkWorld | Google + profile https://plus.google.com/104712908618368674642/posts | Instagram http://instagram.com/nwwinstagram NETWORK WORLD 492 Old Connecticut Path | PO Box 9002 | Framingham, MA 01701-9002 http://www.networkworld.com NetworkWorld.com | http://www.networkworldmediakit.com Media Kit | http://events.networkworld.com Conferences Events An http://www.idgenterprise.com/ IDG Enterprise Brand From: Lee H Badman lhbad...@syr.edu mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 10:16 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories I'm trying to get the FCC's attention on this: https://wirednot.wordpress.com/2015/08/19/an-open-letter-to-the-fcc/-Lee Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 _ From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Mike King m...@mpking.com mailto:m...@mpking.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 9:01 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories I know it's two weeks later, but Smart Holdings just got smacked by the FCC for the same thing. (Which is probably why you were asking) http://gizmodo.com/its-about-damn-time-fcc-says-convention-centers-cant-b-1724805719?dfp_pp_ab=on http://gizmodo.com/its-about-damn-time-fcc-says-convention-centers-cant-b-1724805719?dfp_pp_ab=ondfp_desktop_three=offutm_expid=66866090-43.E9Bjfd6NTuSlXJewu2e_Ig.1utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F dfp_desktop_three=offutm_expid=66866090-43.E9Bjfd6NTuSlXJewu2e_Ig.1utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Bob Brown bbr...@nww.com mailto:bbr...@nww.com wrote: I’m looking to follow up on a series of stories we ran in late 2014/early 2015 http://www.networkworld.com/article/2879142/wireless/fcc-still-has-ton-of-explaining-to-do-on-wi-fi-blocking-rules.html on the Marriott Wifi blocking issue. To refresh, the FCC fined Marriott for blocking a Wifi hotspot (or hotspots) at one of its hotel convention centers. The incident sparked quite a bit of discussion on this listserv, as university/college network pros wondered whether their own Wifi management/security practices would now be considered legit and whether the products they were using could still be used. *I’ve followed up with Marriott, whose CIO kicked me over
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You're real close to our model and practice as well. What about vendors and visiting faculty that pop up Mi-Fis without hesitation? From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Frank Sweetser f...@wpi.edu Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 11:48 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories We don't call out the variants (MiFis, hotspots, Nintendo DS WiFi USB adapter, etc...). Instead we just focus on anything broadcasting an SSID as interfering with or degrading WPI network service, in that it's competing for scarce airtime. That said, we *don't* launch countermeasures against anything that comes up. We simply have far too many edge cases (networks from adjacent buildings in residential areas, misconfigured Windows machines silently creating ad-hoc networks, legitimate research projects that didn't know any better...), especially in any kind of automated fashion. Instead we monitor the reports, both in the system and word of mouth. Anything we find we then address with a light hand, typically no more than a light slap on the wrist unless we find evidence that they're willfully going against the rules. Having the AUP in place and enforceable (at least on our own community members, as opposed to random visitors) does give us critical leverage to make this all work. Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu| For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 08/20/2015 11:25 AM, Lee H Badman wrote: Does that include MiFis? Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Frank Sweetser f...@wpi.edu Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 11:22 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories Students should be a relatively easy case. At least here, we make them sign an AUP, which references explicit provisions about not running unauthorized APs. Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu| For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 08/20/2015 11:19 AM, Philippe Hanset wrote: We need to wait on an unfortunate school to be sued by a student due to Mi-Fi blocking in a Residential Property -Student: I pay rent, I can do whatever I want in my room -School: We provide “free” Wi-FI to all rooms and the interferences are becoming unmanageable to a point where we have more trouble tickets than packets being successfully sent or received. We had to do something. -Lawyers: Either way, we will cash on this! -FCC: So, we have an Interferer being interfered by another interferer. Could Scott Adams please give us some wisdom on this Philippe Philippe Hanset On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Lee H Badman lhbad...@syr.edu mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu wrote: It's a good point, and there was a bit of chatter on this on Twitter. The FCC has left the whole thing way too open-ended given the popularity of Wi-Fi, and a lot of topics bleed over on to each other. I'd be surprised if they responded in any way- the preference seems to be to ambush users with fines. *Lee H. Badman* Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 -- *From:*The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Philippe Hanset phan...@anyroam.net mailto:phan...@anyroam.net *Sent:*Thursday, August 20, 2015 10:34 AM *To:*WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU *Subject:*Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories Lee, I just read your Open Letter. Good work. Thank you. One question that I have for future reference is: “What constitutes blocking?” You mention White Noise or Frame manipulation… What if building owners have frequency blocking material as part of the design of the building. This could be considered passive blocking as opposed to white noise or frame manipulation but it is blocking regardless. We might want to know the FCC point of view on this before we create “wave free classrooms”! Best, Philippe Philippe Hanset www.eduriam.us http://www.eduriam.us/ On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:16 AM, Lee H Badman lhbad...@syr.edu mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu wrote: I'm trying to get the FCC's attention on this: https://wirednot.wordpress.com
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If they're severe enough to catch our attention, typically an offer of better performing guest wireless is enough to convince them to happily pack their MiFi away. Now, the *@#*!!? wireless enabled printers, which still keep broadcasting a hidden SSID when you tell them to turn the radio off are a different story... Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu| For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 08/20/2015 12:08 PM, Lee H Badman wrote: You're real close to our model and practice as well. What about vendors and visiting faculty that pop up Mi-Fis without hesitation? From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Frank Sweetser f...@wpi.edu Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 11:48 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories We don't call out the variants (MiFis, hotspots, Nintendo DS WiFi USB adapter, etc...). Instead we just focus on anything broadcasting an SSID as interfering with or degrading WPI network service, in that it's competing for scarce airtime. That said, we *don't* launch countermeasures against anything that comes up. We simply have far too many edge cases (networks from adjacent buildings in residential areas, misconfigured Windows machines silently creating ad-hoc networks, legitimate research projects that didn't know any better...), especially in any kind of automated fashion. Instead we monitor the reports, both in the system and word of mouth. Anything we find we then address with a light hand, typically no more than a light slap on the wrist unless we find evidence that they're willfully going against the rules. Having the AUP in place and enforceable (at least on our own community members, as opposed to random visitors) does give us critical leverage to make this all work. Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu| For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 08/20/2015 11:25 AM, Lee H Badman wrote: Does that include MiFis? Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Frank Sweetser f...@wpi.edu Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 11:22 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories Students should be a relatively easy case. At least here, we make them sign an AUP, which references explicit provisions about not running unauthorized APs. Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu| For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 08/20/2015 11:19 AM, Philippe Hanset wrote: We need to wait on an unfortunate school to be sued by a student due to Mi-Fi blocking in a Residential Property -Student: I pay rent, I can do whatever I want in my room -School: We provide “free” Wi-FI to all rooms and the interferences are becoming unmanageable to a point where we have more trouble tickets than packets being successfully sent or received. We had to do something. -Lawyers: Either way, we will cash on this! -FCC: So, we have an Interferer being interfered by another interferer. Could Scott Adams please give us some wisdom on this Philippe Philippe Hanset On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Lee H Badman lhbad...@syr.edu mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu wrote: It's a good point, and there was a bit of chatter on this on Twitter. The FCC has left the whole thing way too open-ended given the popularity of Wi-Fi, and a lot of topics bleed over on to each other. I'd be surprised if they responded in any way- the preference seems to be to ambush users with fines. *Lee H. Badman* Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 -- *From:*The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Philippe Hanset phan...@anyroam.net mailto:phan...@anyroam.net *Sent:*Thursday, August 20, 2015 10:34 AM *To:*WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU *Subject:*Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories Lee, I just read your Open Letter. Good work. Thank you. One question that I have for future reference is: “What constitutes blocking?” You mention White Noise or Frame manipulation… What if building owners have frequency blocking material
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories
I know it's two weeks later, but Smart Holdings just got smacked by the FCC for the same thing. (Which is probably why you were asking) http://gizmodo.com/its-about-damn-time-fcc-says-convention-centers-cant-b-1724805719?dfp_pp_ab=ondfp_desktop_three=offutm_expid=66866090-43.E9Bjfd6NTuSlXJewu2e_Ig.1utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Bob Brown bbr...@nww.com wrote: I’m looking to follow up on a series of stories we ran in late 2014/early 2015 http://www.networkworld.com/article/2879142/wireless/fcc-still-has-ton-of-explaining-to-do-on-wi-fi-blocking-rules.html on the Marriott Wifi blocking issue. To refresh, the FCC fined Marriott for blocking a Wifi hotspot (or hotspots) at one of its hotel convention centers. The incident sparked quite a bit of discussion on this listserv, as university/college network pros wondered whether their own Wifi management/security practices would now be considered legit and whether the products they were using could still be used. *I’ve followed up with Marriott, whose CIO kicked me over to public relations, which naturally declined to comment. *The hospitality industry trade group had said at the time of the FCC/Marriott decisions that it was going to launch a cybersecurity task force to study this topic further, but they haven’t responded to my inquiries, so I’m not sure whether such a task force was formed and if so, whether it has accomplished anything. *The FCC has been unresponsive on this matter entirely. *I’ve contacted WLAN vendors that I spoke to for some of the original articles to see if anything has changed on their end since the start of the year and they haven’t had much to say so far. So, based on all this, I don’t have much of an update to write about at this point…perhaps exactly what these parties would like. But, I’m also wondering if any of you who were trying to figure out earlier this year what the FCC decision/Marriott response meant to you, have taken any new approaches to managing/security Wifi on your campuses. If so, and you’d be willing to share your story, please touch base (or feel free to share with the listserv if appropriate). Regards, *Bob Brown* Online Executive Editor, News T: 508.766.5418 LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobbrownboston | Twitter: @alphadoggs https://twitter.com/alphadoggs | Facebook profile https://www.facebook.com/NetworkWorld | Google + profile https://plus.google.com/104712908618368674642/posts | Instagram http://instagram.com/nwwinstagram *NETWORK* *WORLD* 492 Old Connecticut Path | PO Box 9002 | Framingham, MA 01701-9002 NetworkWorld.com http://www.networkworld.com | Media Kit http://www.networkworldmediakit.com | Conferences Events http://events.networkworld.com An IDG Enterprise http://www.idgenterprise.com/ Brand ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories
I'm looking to follow up on a series of stories we ran in late 2014/early 2015http://www.networkworld.com/article/2879142/wireless/fcc-still-has-ton-of-explaining-to-do-on-wi-fi-blocking-rules.html on the Marriott Wifi blocking issue. To refresh, the FCC fined Marriott for blocking a Wifi hotspot (or hotspots) at one of its hotel convention centers. The incident sparked quite a bit of discussion on this listserv, as university/college network pros wondered whether their own Wifi management/security practices would now be considered legit and whether the products they were using could still be used. *I've followed up with Marriott, whose CIO kicked me over to public relations, which naturally declined to comment. *The hospitality industry trade group had said at the time of the FCC/Marriott decisions that it was going to launch a cybersecurity task force to study this topic further, but they haven't responded to my inquiries, so I'm not sure whether such a task force was formed and if so, whether it has accomplished anything. *The FCC has been unresponsive on this matter entirely. *I've contacted WLAN vendors that I spoke to for some of the original articles to see if anything has changed on their end since the start of the year and they haven't had much to say so far. So, based on all this, I don't have much of an update to write about at this point...perhaps exactly what these parties would like. But, I'm also wondering if any of you who were trying to figure out earlier this year what the FCC decision/Marriott response meant to you, have taken any new approaches to managing/security Wifi on your campuses. If so, and you'd be willing to share your story, please touch base (or feel free to share with the listserv if appropriate). Regards, Bob Brown Online Executive Editor, News T: 508.766.5418 LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/bobbrownboston | Twitter: @alphadoggshttps://twitter.com/alphadoggs | Facebook profilehttps://www.facebook.com/NetworkWorld | Google + profilehttps://plus.google.com/104712908618368674642/posts | Instagramhttp://instagram.com/nwwinstagram NETWORK WORLD 492 Old Connecticut Path | PO Box 9002 | Framingham, MA 01701-9002 NetworkWorld.comhttp://www.networkworld.com | Media Kithttp://www.networkworldmediakit.com | Conferences Eventshttp://events.networkworld.com An IDG Enterprisehttp://www.idgenterprise.com/ Brand ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
