RE: [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless

[Michael Cole]

We’ve installed a fair amount of outdoor wireless and tried to take advantage 
of existing mounting points or designed them into new work on Campus.  We use a 
mix of poles that have our emergency phones and cameras, the sides of 
buildings, or in parking lots installed poles specifically for outdoor 
wireless.  On a major reFirb of our sports fields we’ve put in an 
infrastructure that gives us a ½ dozen points where we can install wireless, 
security cameras, and a few wired connections.  We’ve had really good luck with 
the deployments so far.

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Subject: [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless

Hey everyone,

Recently, discussion has started to evaluate wireless coverage all over our 
quad area.  We currently have 4, 2700s with patch antennas (AIR-ANT2566P4W-R) 
on the side of buildings with those hitting their limit of 400 clients at given 
times during the day (Probably just a lot of background noise).  I am not sure 
on the capacity they will want covered at this current time.  We do know there 
will be some on light poles, and we were thinking bollards also, other 
suggestions are more than welcome.  I also don’t know what other universities 
are doing as far as open areas for coverage, high density or not?  What to 
expect as far a congregation on the quad?  Will this bring more people to 
sitting on the quad and doing course work?  Will students be out there just 
streaming?  Any ideas or information from those who have done this would be 
greatly appreciated!

Jason Mallon
Network Engineer III, OIT
The University of 
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Outdoor wireless

[Mallon, Jason]

Hey everyone,

Recently, discussion has started to evaluate wireless coverage all over our 
quad area.  We currently have 4, 2700s with patch antennas (AIR-ANT2566P4W-R) 
on the side of buildings with those hitting their limit of 400 clients at given 
times during the day (Probably just a lot of background noise).  I am not sure 
on the capacity they will want covered at this current time.  We do know there 
will be some on light poles, and we were thinking bollards also, other 
suggestions are more than welcome.  I also don’t know what other universities 
are doing as far as open areas for coverage, high density or not?  What to 
expect as far a congregation on the quad?  Will this bring more people to 
sitting on the quad and doing course work?  Will students be out there just 
streaming?  Any ideas or information from those who have done this would be 
greatly appreciated!

Jason Mallon
Network Engineer III, OIT
The University of Alabama
jemal...@ua.edu
[University of Alabama]


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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

[Edward Ip]

Jason,

I agree with you that wireless allows more points of failure due to multiple 
reasons. I will look into ATA for the outdoor emergency phones.

Edward Ip
Algonquin College | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | Ontario | K2G 
1V8 | Canada
algonquincollege.com

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jason Cook
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 9:40 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

We'll be on this path shortly as we are currently replacing our MD110 with 
Cisco CUCM. Personally I would stay away from wireless for emergency phones as 
you are bringing in more points of failure and not to mentioned unlicensed 
spectrum for emergencies. Plus you’ll need power to these points unless you 
want to rely on battery/solar…. Which again seems risky for emergencies.

Our plan has been to either keep an MD110 unit in place (at least on the main 
campus) and/or use the cisco voice gateways or ATAs, and/or bring in PSTN’s 
directly from a provider. It will depend on cons/pros and costs once we start 
designing that part. Though I think Philippe’s comment below is pretty 
interesting(or awesome), get it cabled with cat 5/6 and install a wireless AP, 
for the phone either wired VOIP or an extra cable for an analogue service.


--
Jason Cook
The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005
Ph: +61 8 8313 4800

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Philippe Hanset
Sent: Wednesday, 22 April 2015 3:09 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

University of Tennessee, Knoxville has more than 60 of these code blue phones 
all over campus.
I always thought “Too bad we didn’t synchronize an effort with the Telephone 
Services Department
to locate outdoor Wi-Fi in it”. Those emergency phones have power and cat5 
running to them!

Philippe Hanset
www.eduroam.ushttp://www.eduroam.us



On Apr 21, 2015, at 12:16 PM, Aaron Lamey 
ala...@cbu.edumailto:ala...@cbu.edu wrote:

I use analog products from this company:

http://codeblue.com/solution/help-points/

They have some wireless SIP ones, but I’ve never used one. Has anyone on the 
list ever used their SIP products with Cisco CallManager?

image001.png
Aaron Lamey
Director of Network and Telecommunications
Christian Brothers University
650 East Parkway South
Memphis, TN  38104

(901) 321- 3480
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Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

Hello,

I am looking for recommendations to replace our aging outdoor emergency phones. 
Ideally, I am looking for a wireless (Wi-Fi based) outdoor emergency VoIP phone 
to replace our very old landline based outdoor phones. My initial research has 
not produced any good candidates yet as well I was wondering if anyone has had 
successfully deployed such a system at their location? Any feedback would be 
very much appreciated.

We use Aruba APs and Cisco Call Manager in our network.

Regards,
Edward Ip | ITS | Wireless Systems Administrator
613 727 4723 | ext 7112
Algonquin College | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | Ontario | K2G 
1V8 | Canada
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

[Danny Eaton]

A few years ago we looked into putting APs either on top, or just inside the 
Code Blue phones with external antennas – the problem we had was that the APs, 
with a NEMA rated box would be U-G-L-Y on top of the pole, and if inside the 
pole with external antennas the temperature, humidity and rainfall here in 
Houston would have them lasting not very long.  

 

 

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jason Cook
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 8:40 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

 

We'll be on this path shortly as we are currently replacing our MD110 with 
Cisco CUCM. Personally I would stay away from wireless for emergency phones as 
you are bringing in more points of failure and not to mentioned unlicensed 
spectrum for emergencies. Plus you’ll need power to these points unless you 
want to rely on battery/solar…. Which again seems risky for emergencies. 

 

Our plan has been to either keep an MD110 unit in place (at least on the main 
campus) and/or use the cisco voice gateways or ATAs, and/or bring in PSTN’s 
directly from a provider. It will depend on cons/pros and costs once we start 
designing that part. Though I think Philippe’s comment below is pretty 
interesting(or awesome), get it cabled with cat 5/6 and install a wireless AP, 
for the phone either wired VOIP or an extra cable for an analogue service. 

 

 

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The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005

Ph: +61 8 8313 4800

 


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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

[Edward Ip]

Thank you Kevin for pointing me to this device, I am going to look into it to 
see if our phone cable infrastructure is still good enough to use these devices.

Edward Ip
Algonquin College | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | Ontario | K2G 
1V8 | Canada
algonquincollege.com

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Kevin McCormick
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 2:55 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

If you have to go VoIP, you can not find good outdoor VoIP phone, consider an 
ATA. You can wire up an outdoor rated analog to an ATA.

http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/unified-communications/ata-187-analog-telephone-adaptor/data_sheet_c78-608596.html

Kevin McCormick
uTech Network Services
Western Illinois University

On 4/21/2015 11:27 AM, Oliver, Jeff wrote:
 Agreed. Stay with a analog solution for e phones.

 --

 Cheers,
 Jeff


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 [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Danny Eaton
 Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 10:26 AM
 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
 Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone 
 recommendation

 For emergencies why go wireless?  There's just too much not under control in 
 my mind (RF, mainly). You've already got cable and power there, why not stick 
 with the wired solution?


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 Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 11:06 AM
 To: 
 WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAU
 SE.EDU
 Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone 
 recommendation

 Hello,

 I am looking for recommendations to replace our aging outdoor emergency 
 phones. Ideally, I am looking for a wireless (Wi-Fi based) outdoor emergency 
 VoIP phone to replace our very old landline based outdoor phones. My initial 
 research has not produced any good candidates yet as well I was wondering if 
 anyone has had successfully deployed such a system at their location? Any 
 feedback would be very much appreciated.

 We use Aruba APs and Cisco Call Manager in our network.

 Regards,
 Edward Ip | ITS | Wireless Systems Administrator
 613 727 4723 | ext 7112
 Algonquin College | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | 
 Ontario | K2G 1V8 | Canada 
 www.algonquincollege.comhttp://www.algonquincollege.com

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

[Philippe Hanset]

About four years ago, the IT department at UTK was asked to provide temporary 
Wi-Fi outdoor coverage
in a parking lot to support online payments for the Volapalooza event!
The cost of an outdoor rated AP was a definite show stopper for the student 
committee’s budget.
So we improvised a PVC electric box completely sealed and we stuck an Aruba 
AP-105 in it connected with Cat5, thinking that
it would last for the week end and perish from its natural electronic death 
during the summer from extreme temperatures (the box is exposed to the sun
from about 10 am till 1 pm). It was an experiment. We don’t have the extreme 
temperatures of Houston, but Knoxville-TN does have its fair share of extreme 
temperatures.
I pass by the AP on a regular basis, and it’s still spewing 802.11 frames at a 
decent rate! A testimony to the resilience of electronics!


Philippe Hanset
www.anyroam.net



 On Apr 22, 2015, at 9:09 AM, Danny Eaton dannyea...@rice.edu wrote:
 
 A few years ago we looked into putting APs either on top, or just inside the 
 Code Blue phones with external antennas – the problem we had was that the 
 APs, with a NEMA rated box would be U-G-L-Y on top of the pole, and if inside 
 the pole with external antennas the temperature, humidity and rainfall here 
 in Houston would have them lasting not very long.
 
 
 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
 mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jason Cook
 Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 8:40 PM
 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
 mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
 Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone 
 recommendation
 
 We'll be on this path shortly as we are currently replacing our MD110 with 
 Cisco CUCM. Personally I would stay away from wireless for emergency phones 
 as you are bringing in more points of failure and not to mentioned unlicensed 
 spectrum for emergencies. Plus you’ll need power to these points unless you 
 want to rely on battery/solar…. Which again seems risky for emergencies.  
 
 Our plan has been to either keep an MD110 unit in place (at least on the main 
 campus) and/or use the cisco voice gateways or ATAs, and/or bring in PSTN’s 
 directly from a provider. It will depend on cons/pros and costs once we start 
 designing that part. Though I think Philippe’s comment below is pretty 
 interesting(or awesome), get it cabled with cat 5/6 and install a wireless 
 AP, for the phone either wired VOIP or an extra cable for an analogue service.
 
 
 --
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 The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005
 Ph: +61 8 8313 4800
 
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RE: Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

[Tindall, Dave]

We have gone through the same process of needing to replace an aging fleet of 
analog emergency phones.  For many years we have used Ramtel devices 
(http://www.ramtel.com/SecurityTelephones/RR734.htm) which have been ok, but we 
were also looking for a VoIP solution.

We settled on Stentofon  
(http://www.zenitel.com/en/Stentofon/Products/STENTOFON-Turbine/) because they 
addressed two basic needs - a standard emergency phone - plus a 
broadcast/public address system.  The same device provides both capabilities.  
During the past several months we have replaced about 40 emergency phones 
(mounted at building entry locations), plus we installed an overlay of the same 
turbine device in a loudspeaker/horn form factor 
(http://www.zenitel.com/en/Stentofon/Products/Public-Address/ELSII-10H-Network-Horn-Loudspeaker-/)
 on a few building roof-tops.  They are all VoIP/SIP based with a very small 
on-prem server.  It has provided one more layer of institutional communications 
capability in the event of a campus emergency.

The equipment is very high quality and rugged for outdoor use.  There have been 
a few challenges in working with the software, but we are generally pleased 
with the solution.

--Dave

Dave Tindall
Asst VP for Technology Services (CIO)
Seattle Pacific University
Computer  Information Systems
Phone: (206) 281-2239
Fax: (206) 281-2850
Email: dtind...@spu.edumailto:dtind...@spu.edu
Web: http://www.spu.eduhttp://www.spu.edu/

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Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 9:55 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

We use SIP based emergency phones for our indoor locations now which replaced 
all our old analog emergency phones (even in our elevator).

http://www.cyberdata.net/products/voip/digitalanalog/intercomemergencyv3/index.html

These units work very well with our Cisco Call Manager. It requires a bit more 
steps to setup, but my phone guys don't complain about them once it is setup 
and running.

Edward Ip
Algonquin College | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | Ontario | K2G 
1V8 | Canada
algonquincollege.com

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Aaron Lamey
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 12:17 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

I use analog products from this company:

http://codeblue.com/solution/help-points/

They have some wireless SIP ones, but I've never used one. Has anyone on the 
list ever used their SIP products with Cisco CallManager?

[cid:image001.png@01CEAAE1.8B9BF360]
Aaron Lamey
Director of Network and Telecommunications
Christian Brothers University
650 East Parkway South
Memphis, TN  38104

(901) 321- 3480
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To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

Hello,

I am looking for recommendations to replace our aging outdoor emergency phones. 
Ideally, I am looking for a wireless (Wi-Fi based) outdoor emergency VoIP phone 
to replace our very old landline based outdoor phones. My initial research has 
not produced any good candidates yet as well I was wondering if anyone has had 
successfully deployed such a system at their location? Any feedback would be 
very much appreciated.

We use Aruba APs and Cisco Call Manager in our network.

Regards,
Edward Ip | ITS | Wireless Systems Administrator
613 727 4723 | ext 7112
Algonquin College | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | Ontario | K2G 
1V8 | Canada
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

[Tevlin, Dave]

To amplify what Jason said about the additional points of failure. I look
at the fire alarm systems we have in place. The standard for fire panels
now is cellular with a phone line as the backup. That way if you have a
cable cut down line it does not immediately send you into fire watch, which
comes with all the over time involved, before the repair can be made.

I wonder if there is a similar option for emergency phones.

Dave Tevlin



On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 9:39 PM, Jason Cook jason.c...@adelaide.edu.au
wrote:

  We'll be on this path shortly as we are currently replacing our MD110
 with Cisco CUCM. Personally I would stay away from wireless for emergency
 phones as you are bringing in more points of failure and not to mentioned
 unlicensed spectrum for emergencies. Plus you’ll need power to these points
 unless you want to rely on battery/solar…. Which again seems risky for
 emergencies.



 Our plan has been to either keep an MD110 unit in place (at least on the
 main campus) and/or use the cisco voice gateways or ATAs, and/or bring in
 PSTN’s directly from a provider. It will depend on cons/pros and costs once
 we start designing that part. Though I think Philippe’s comment below is
 pretty interesting(or awesome), get it cabled with cat 5/6 and install a
 wireless AP, for the phone either wired VOIP or an extra cable for an
 analogue service.





 --

 Jason Cook

 The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005

 Ph: +61 8 8313 4800



 *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
 WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Philippe Hanset
 *Sent:* Wednesday, 22 April 2015 3:09 AM
 *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
 *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone
 recommendation



 University of Tennessee, Knoxville has more than 60 of these code blue
 phones all over campus.

 I always thought “Too bad we didn’t synchronize an effort with the
 Telephone Services Department

 to locate outdoor Wi-Fi in it”. Those emergency phones have power and cat5
 running to them!



 Philippe Hanset

 www.eduroam.us







  On Apr 21, 2015, at 12:16 PM, Aaron Lamey ala...@cbu.edu wrote:



 I use analog products from this company:



 http://codeblue.com/solution/help-points/



 They have some wireless SIP ones, but I’ve never used one. Has anyone on
 the list ever used their SIP products with Cisco CallManager?



 image001.png

 *Aaron Lamey*

 Director of Network and Telecommunications

 Christian Brothers University

 650 East Parkway South

 Memphis, TN  38104



 (901) 321- 3480
 ala...@cbu.edu

 www.cbu.edu









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 *Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2015 11:06 AM
 *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
 *Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone
 recommendation



 Hello,



 I am looking for recommendations to replace our aging outdoor emergency
 phones. Ideally, I am looking for a wireless (Wi-Fi based) outdoor
 emergency VoIP phone to replace our very old landline based outdoor phones.
 My initial research has not produced any good candidates yet as well I was
 wondering if anyone has had successfully deployed such a system at their
 location? Any feedback would be very much appreciated.



 We use Aruba APs and Cisco Call Manager in our network.



 Regards,

 *Edward Ip* | ITS | Wireless Systems Administrator

 613 727 4723 | ext 7112

 *Algonquin College* | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | Ontario
  | K2G 1V8 | Canada

 www.algonquincollege.com



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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

[Philippe Hanset]

University of Tennessee, Knoxville has more than 60 of these code blue phones 
all over campus.
I always thought “Too bad we didn’t synchronize an effort with the Telephone 
Services Department
to locate outdoor Wi-Fi in it”. Those emergency phones have power and cat5 
running to them!

Philippe Hanset
www.eduroam.us



 On Apr 21, 2015, at 12:16 PM, Aaron Lamey ala...@cbu.edu wrote:
 
 I use analog products from this company:
 
 http://codeblue.com/solution/help-points/ 
 http://codeblue.com/solution/help-points/
 
 They have some wireless SIP ones, but I’ve never used one. Has anyone on the 
 list ever used their SIP products with Cisco CallManager?
 
 image001.png
 Aaron Lamey
 Director of Network and Telecommunications
 Christian Brothers University
 650 East Parkway South
 Memphis, TN  38104
 
 (901) 321- 3480
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 mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
 Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation
 
 Hello,
 
 I am looking for recommendations to replace our aging outdoor emergency 
 phones. Ideally, I am looking for a wireless (Wi-Fi based) outdoor emergency 
 VoIP phone to replace our very old landline based outdoor phones. My initial 
 research has not produced any good candidates yet as well I was wondering if 
 anyone has had successfully deployed such a system at their location? Any 
 feedback would be very much appreciated.
 
 We use Aruba APs and Cisco Call Manager in our network.
 
 Regards,
 Edward Ip | ITS | Wireless Systems Administrator
 613 727 4723 | ext 7112
 Algonquin College | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | Ontario | 
 K2G 1V8 | Canada
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

[Kevin McCormick]

If you have to go VoIP, you can not find good outdoor VoIP phone, 
consider an ATA. You can wire up an outdoor rated analog to an ATA.


http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/unified-communications/ata-187-analog-telephone-adaptor/data_sheet_c78-608596.html

Kevin McCormick
uTech Network Services
Western Illinois University

On 4/21/2015 11:27 AM, Oliver, Jeff wrote:

Agreed. Stay with a analog solution for e phones.

--

Cheers,
Jeff


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Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 10:26 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

For emergencies why go wireless?  There's just too much not under control in my 
mind (RF, mainly). You've already got cable and power there, why not stick with 
the wired solution?


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Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

Hello,

I am looking for recommendations to replace our aging outdoor emergency phones. 
Ideally, I am looking for a wireless (Wi-Fi based) outdoor emergency VoIP phone 
to replace our very old landline based outdoor phones. My initial research has 
not produced any good candidates yet as well I was wondering if anyone has had 
successfully deployed such a system at their location? Any feedback would be 
very much appreciated.

We use Aruba APs and Cisco Call Manager in our network.

Regards,
Edward Ip | ITS | Wireless Systems Administrator
613 727 4723 | ext 7112
Algonquin College | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | Ontario | K2G 
1V8 | Canada
www.algonquincollege.comhttp://www.algonquincollege.com

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Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

[Edward Ip]

Hello,

I am looking for recommendations to replace our aging outdoor emergency phones. 
Ideally, I am looking for a wireless (Wi-Fi based) outdoor emergency VoIP phone 
to replace our very old landline based outdoor phones. My initial research has 
not produced any good candidates yet as well I was wondering if anyone has had 
successfully deployed such a system at their location? Any feedback would be 
very much appreciated.

We use Aruba APs and Cisco Call Manager in our network.

Regards,
Edward Ip | ITS | Wireless Systems Administrator
613 727 4723 | ext 7112
Algonquin College | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | Ontario | K2G 
1V8 | Canada
www.algonquincollege.com


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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

[Jason Cook]

We'll be on this path shortly as we are currently replacing our MD110 with 
Cisco CUCM. Personally I would stay away from wireless for emergency phones as 
you are bringing in more points of failure and not to mentioned unlicensed 
spectrum for emergencies. Plus you’ll need power to these points unless you 
want to rely on battery/solar…. Which again seems risky for emergencies.

Our plan has been to either keep an MD110 unit in place (at least on the main 
campus) and/or use the cisco voice gateways or ATAs, and/or bring in PSTN’s 
directly from a provider. It will depend on cons/pros and costs once we start 
designing that part. Though I think Philippe’s comment below is pretty 
interesting(or awesome), get it cabled with cat 5/6 and install a wireless AP, 
for the phone either wired VOIP or an extra cable for an analogue service.


--
Jason Cook
The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005
Ph: +61 8 8313 4800

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Sent: Wednesday, 22 April 2015 3:09 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

University of Tennessee, Knoxville has more than 60 of these code blue phones 
all over campus.
I always thought “Too bad we didn’t synchronize an effort with the Telephone 
Services Department
to locate outdoor Wi-Fi in it”. Those emergency phones have power and cat5 
running to them!

Philippe Hanset
www.eduroam.ushttp://www.eduroam.us



On Apr 21, 2015, at 12:16 PM, Aaron Lamey 
ala...@cbu.edumailto:ala...@cbu.edu wrote:

I use analog products from this company:

http://codeblue.com/solution/help-points/

They have some wireless SIP ones, but I’ve never used one. Has anyone on the 
list ever used their SIP products with Cisco CallManager?

image001.png
Aaron Lamey
Director of Network and Telecommunications
Christian Brothers University
650 East Parkway South
Memphis, TN  38104

(901) 321- 3480
ala...@cbu.edumailto:ala...@cbu.edu
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To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

Hello,

I am looking for recommendations to replace our aging outdoor emergency phones. 
Ideally, I am looking for a wireless (Wi-Fi based) outdoor emergency VoIP phone 
to replace our very old landline based outdoor phones. My initial research has 
not produced any good candidates yet as well I was wondering if anyone has had 
successfully deployed such a system at their location? Any feedback would be 
very much appreciated.

We use Aruba APs and Cisco Call Manager in our network.

Regards,
Edward Ip | ITS | Wireless Systems Administrator
613 727 4723 | ext 7112
Algonquin College | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | Ontario | K2G 
1V8 | Canada
www.algonquincollege.comhttp://www.algonquincollege.com/

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RE: Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

[Edward Ip]

We use SIP based emergency phones for our indoor locations now which replaced 
all our old analog emergency phones (even in our elevator).

http://www.cyberdata.net/products/voip/digitalanalog/intercomemergencyv3/index.html

These units work very well with our Cisco Call Manager. It requires a bit more 
steps to setup, but my phone guys don't complain about them once it is setup 
and running.

Edward Ip
Algonquin College | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | Ontario | K2G 
1V8 | Canada
algonquincollege.com

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Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 12:17 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

I use analog products from this company:

http://codeblue.com/solution/help-points/

They have some wireless SIP ones, but I've never used one. Has anyone on the 
list ever used their SIP products with Cisco CallManager?

[cid:image001.png@01D07C30.F9B7A160]
Aaron Lamey
Director of Network and Telecommunications
Christian Brothers University
650 East Parkway South
Memphis, TN  38104

(901) 321- 3480
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WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

Hello,

I am looking for recommendations to replace our aging outdoor emergency phones. 
Ideally, I am looking for a wireless (Wi-Fi based) outdoor emergency VoIP phone 
to replace our very old landline based outdoor phones. My initial research has 
not produced any good candidates yet as well I was wondering if anyone has had 
successfully deployed such a system at their location? Any feedback would be 
very much appreciated.

We use Aruba APs and Cisco Call Manager in our network.

Regards,
Edward Ip | ITS | Wireless Systems Administrator
613 727 4723 | ext 7112
Algonquin College | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | Ontario | K2G 
1V8 | Canada
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RE: Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

[Aaron Lamey]

I use analog products from this company:

http://codeblue.com/solution/help-points/

They have some wireless SIP ones, but I've never used one. Has anyone on the 
list ever used their SIP products with Cisco CallManager?

[cid:image001.png@01CEAAE1.8B9BF360]
Aaron Lamey
Director of Network and Telecommunications
Christian Brothers University
650 East Parkway South
Memphis, TN  38104

(901) 321- 3480
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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Edward Ip
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 11:06 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

Hello,

I am looking for recommendations to replace our aging outdoor emergency phones. 
Ideally, I am looking for a wireless (Wi-Fi based) outdoor emergency VoIP phone 
to replace our very old landline based outdoor phones. My initial research has 
not produced any good candidates yet as well I was wondering if anyone has had 
successfully deployed such a system at their location? Any feedback would be 
very much appreciated.

We use Aruba APs and Cisco Call Manager in our network.

Regards,
Edward Ip | ITS | Wireless Systems Administrator
613 727 4723 | ext 7112
Algonquin College | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | Ontario | K2G 
1V8 | Canada
www.algonquincollege.comhttp://www.algonquincollege.com

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

[Edward Ip]

I agree that staying with analog telephone is better solution, unfortunately 
our current phone infrastructure is heading the directions of full VoIP 
everywhere and the POT lines are being removed (deemed too expensive to 
maintain by management). All our fax is now cloud based or will soon be cloud 
based. Hence, I am tasked with looking for alternatives.

Edward Ip
Algonquin College | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | Ontario | K2G 
1V8 | Canada
algonquincollege.com

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Danny Eaton
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 12:26 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

For emergencies why go wireless?  There's just too much not under control in my 
mind (RF, mainly). You've already got cable and power there, why not stick with 
the wired solution?


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Edward Ip
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 11:06 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

Hello,

I am looking for recommendations to replace our aging outdoor emergency phones. 
Ideally, I am looking for a wireless (Wi-Fi based) outdoor emergency VoIP phone 
to replace our very old landline based outdoor phones. My initial research has 
not produced any good candidates yet as well I was wondering if anyone has had 
successfully deployed such a system at their location? Any feedback would be 
very much appreciated.

We use Aruba APs and Cisco Call Manager in our network.

Regards,
Edward Ip | ITS | Wireless Systems Administrator
613 727 4723 | ext 7112
Algonquin College | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | Ontario | K2G 
1V8 | Canada
www.algonquincollege.comhttp://www.algonquincollege.com

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

[Danny Eaton]

For emergencies why go wireless?  There's just too much not under control in
my mind (RF, mainly). You've already got cable and power there, why not
stick with the wired solution?

 

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
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Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 11:06 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

 

Hello,

 

I am looking for recommendations to replace our aging outdoor emergency
phones. Ideally, I am looking for a wireless (Wi-Fi based) outdoor emergency
VoIP phone to replace our very old landline based outdoor phones. My initial
research has not produced any good candidates yet as well I was wondering if
anyone has had successfully deployed such a system at their location? Any
feedback would be very much appreciated.

 

We use Aruba APs and Cisco Call Manager in our network.

 

Regards,

Edward Ip | ITS | Wireless Systems Administrator

613 727 4723 | ext 7112

Algonquin College | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | Ontario |
K2G 1V8 | Canada

www.algonquincollege.com

 

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

[Oliver, Jeff]

Agreed. Stay with a analog solution for e phones.

--

Cheers,
Jeff


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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Danny Eaton
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 10:26 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

For emergencies why go wireless?  There's just too much not under control in my 
mind (RF, mainly). You've already got cable and power there, why not stick with 
the wired solution?


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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Edward Ip
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To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless emergency VoIP phone recommendation

Hello,

I am looking for recommendations to replace our aging outdoor emergency phones. 
Ideally, I am looking for a wireless (Wi-Fi based) outdoor emergency VoIP phone 
to replace our very old landline based outdoor phones. My initial research has 
not produced any good candidates yet as well I was wondering if anyone has had 
successfully deployed such a system at their location? Any feedback would be 
very much appreciated.

We use Aruba APs and Cisco Call Manager in our network.

Regards,
Edward Ip | ITS | Wireless Systems Administrator
613 727 4723 | ext 7112
Algonquin College | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | Ontario | K2G 
1V8 | Canada
www.algonquincollege.comhttp://www.algonquincollege.com

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Outdoor wireless questions

[Ethan Sommer]

We are again considering deploying wireless outside, but we feel like we 
keep running up against inherent contradictions that we don't know how 
to solve.


Here are the expected problems we anticipate
1. If we put high powered APs outside, then they will cause interference 
with APs inside, and indoor clients might try to connect to them because 
they seem stronger even though they'd have a better connection to the 
indoor APs.


a. How do you deal with the interference problems between high powered 
outdoor APs and indoor APs?
b. Do you use the same SSIDs indoors and outdoors, and if yes, do indoor 
clients connect to the outdoor APs?
c. If you have a seperate outdoor SSID, to client wireless network 
priority lists ever cause indoor clients to connect to the outdoor network?


2. We currently use one VLAN per building, all on the same SSID. Clients 
outside might hop between APs that are on different buildings, but not 
re-request a new DHCP lease.


a. What VLAN should we put the APs that are targeting outdoors on? If we 
have a dedicate outdoor VLAN, I suppose we can give it its own subnet, 
but if we don't have a seperate SSID... we are not sure what to do.
b. If we target antennas outside of a building, it might be pointing at 
another building, thus causing clients in the other building to connect 
to the wrong vlan. Right?


3. When we last tried to implement outdoor wireless (using 802.11b 
tropos APs) wireless clients would often be mobile, but not decide to 
switch to a new AP when they had lost the signal to the old one.


a. Do you actively force clients to reassociate to a stronger AP somehow?
b. Are clients better at that now?
c. Do you have a support statement which specifies whether you try to 
make that work? eg We try to make wireless work if you open your laptop 
and are stationary. If you move without your laptop sleeping, you're 
gonna have a bad time.


Thanks for any advice,

Ethan

--
Ethan Sommer
Associate Director of Core Services
Gustavus Technology Services
507-933-7042

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless questions

[Rick Brown]

Other than situations that absolutely have to have mesh we cover the majority 
of our outdoor spaces using indoor AP's and external antennas.  We treat 
outdoor areas around a building as part of the building during design.  That we 
can account for backlobes and adjust the directional antennas do that 
interference is minimal in other buildings!  So far, so good!

Rick Brown
NC State University

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 2, 2012, at 3:47 PM, Ethan Sommer somm...@gac.edu wrote:

 We are again considering deploying wireless outside, but we feel like we keep 
 running up against inherent contradictions that we don't know how to solve.
 
 Here are the expected problems we anticipate
 1. If we put high powered APs outside, then they will cause interference with 
 APs inside, and indoor clients might try to connect to them because they seem 
 stronger even though they'd have a better connection to the indoor APs.
 
 a. How do you deal with the interference problems between high powered 
 outdoor APs and indoor APs?
 b. Do you use the same SSIDs indoors and outdoors, and if yes, do indoor 
 clients connect to the outdoor APs?
 c. If you have a seperate outdoor SSID, to client wireless network priority 
 lists ever cause indoor clients to connect to the outdoor network?
 
 2. We currently use one VLAN per building, all on the same SSID. Clients 
 outside might hop between APs that are on different buildings, but not 
 re-request a new DHCP lease.
 
 a. What VLAN should we put the APs that are targeting outdoors on? If we have 
 a dedicate outdoor VLAN, I suppose we can give it its own subnet, but if we 
 don't have a seperate SSID... we are not sure what to do.
 b. If we target antennas outside of a building, it might be pointing at 
 another building, thus causing clients in the other building to connect to 
 the wrong vlan. Right?
 
 3. When we last tried to implement outdoor wireless (using 802.11b tropos 
 APs) wireless clients would often be mobile, but not decide to switch to a 
 new AP when they had lost the signal to the old one.
 
 a. Do you actively force clients to reassociate to a stronger AP somehow?
 b. Are clients better at that now?
 c. Do you have a support statement which specifies whether you try to make 
 that work? eg We try to make wireless work if you open your laptop and are 
 stationary. If you move without your laptop sleeping, you're gonna have a bad 
 time.
 
 Thanks for any advice,
 
 Ethan
 
 -- 
 Ethan Sommer
 Associate Director of Core Services
 Gustavus Technology Services
 507-933-7042
 
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless and connectors...

[Chuck Enfield]

I'm certain that with a significant temperature change that condensation
will occur within the connector.  But if I'm thinking correctly, there's
too little water vapor inside a properly sealed connector for that
condensation to amount to much.

The only other thing I can think of is something that you already
considered; the moisture came from inside the cable.  Foamed dielectrics
are mostly air and I know from experience that moisture moves through
them pretty easily.  That moisture would be hard to detect inside the
cable, but it could provide an effective, albeit slow, path for moisture
to get from one location in a cable to another.  Intuitively, I expect
over time that moisture in the cable would manifest as corrosion on the
braid, but it's possible that the foil protects the braid.

Other than that, I'm at a loss.

Chuck

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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 10:36 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless and connectors...

Chuck, 

Thanks for that explanation. That's very interesting. I do use
N-connectors and when I seal them, I wrap them twice, even three times
with coax-seal and then go back over it with electrical tape. I know
that there is no way for water to get in, that's why I was leaning
towards the condensation. In one of the connectors that I found water
in, I cut the tape and the coax seal and noticed everything just outside
the connectors and the cable was dry. When unscrewing the connectors, I
found water droplets inside. Like you, I didn't think condensation was
to blame. So I even went as far as cutting the coax to see if it somehow
water seeped through there, and it was also dry. Do you not think that
with a big temperature change condensation could take place inside the
connector? I can't claim that here in Louisiana we have drastic
temperatures, but we do have the occasional upper 90 degrees day
followed by a sudden thunderstorm.

I will give the electrical grease a try. 

Hector
  

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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Enfield
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 10:37 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless and connectors...

I've had good success with Scotch 2228 rubber tape with mastic,
overwrapped in the opposite direction with a good electrical tape.  The
electrical tape is primarily for UV protection since the butyl rubber
sealing tape doesn't hold up well under the light.  It's a good idea to
overwrap the electrical tape with friction tape if abrasion is any
concern at all.

I've never used coax-seal, but I'm familiar with the product.  If you're
tightly compressing the coax-seal to fill up the gaps, then I'm doubtful
that water droplets in your connectors are due to condensation.  In
extreme weather (100f  100% humidity) the saturation point of water
vapor in air is around 3%.  If there's 2 cm^3 (estimated) of air trapped
in an N-connector, then there's less than .1 cm^3 of water vapor inside.
Condense that vapor and the droplet will be so small that you might not
be able to see it.

If you wanted to be safe, you could fill the connector cavity with
electrical grease prior to mating the connector halves.  I've never done
it, but it should be fine electrically and there wouldn't be any water
vapor to condense.  This may also help if the water inside your
connectors is due to intrusion rather than condensation.

Chuck Enfield
Sr. Communications Engineer
Penn State University
Telecommunications  Networking Services 110 USB2, UP, PA 16802 Ph.
(814) 863-8715 Fx. (814) 865-3988

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 8:35 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless and connectors...

For those that are doing outdoor wireless, I'm wondering what you use to
seal your exposed connectors. We use coax-seal but we've had a couple of
issues here and there where we still find water inside the connectors,
most likely due to condensation.

Thanks,

Hector Rios
Louisiana State University

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless and connectors...

[Bosse, Jerry]

Something else to consider on the cable issue are cables that are rated
for direct burial.  Times Microwave has an LMR-400DB option that may
be a consideration here. This cable has a gel inside that resists
moisture and is self-healing if nicked during the install or after. 

Jerry Bosse
Account Manager
410-229-1096  Tel
443-564-0264  Mobile 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Enfield
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 10:33 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless and connectors...

I'm certain that with a significant temperature change that condensation
will occur within the connector.  But if I'm thinking correctly, there's
too little water vapor inside a properly sealed connector for that
condensation to amount to much.

The only other thing I can think of is something that you already
considered; the moisture came from inside the cable.  Foamed dielectrics
are mostly air and I know from experience that moisture moves through
them pretty easily.  That moisture would be hard to detect inside the
cable, but it could provide an effective, albeit slow, path for moisture
to get from one location in a cable to another.  Intuitively, I expect
over time that moisture in the cable would manifest as corrosion on the
braid, but it's possible that the foil protects the braid.

Other than that, I'm at a loss.

Chuck

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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 10:36 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless and connectors...

Chuck, 

Thanks for that explanation. That's very interesting. I do use
N-connectors and when I seal them, I wrap them twice, even three times
with coax-seal and then go back over it with electrical tape. I know
that there is no way for water to get in, that's why I was leaning
towards the condensation. In one of the connectors that I found water
in, I cut the tape and the coax seal and noticed everything just outside
the connectors and the cable was dry. When unscrewing the connectors, I
found water droplets inside. Like you, I didn't think condensation was
to blame. So I even went as far as cutting the coax to see if it somehow
water seeped through there, and it was also dry. Do you not think that
with a big temperature change condensation could take place inside the
connector? I can't claim that here in Louisiana we have drastic
temperatures, but we do have the occasional upper 90 degrees day
followed by a sudden thunderstorm.

I will give the electrical grease a try. 

Hector
  

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Enfield
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 10:37 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless and connectors...

I've had good success with Scotch 2228 rubber tape with mastic,
overwrapped in the opposite direction with a good electrical tape.  The
electrical tape is primarily for UV protection since the butyl rubber
sealing tape doesn't hold up well under the light.  It's a good idea to
overwrap the electrical tape with friction tape if abrasion is any
concern at all.

I've never used coax-seal, but I'm familiar with the product.  If you're
tightly compressing the coax-seal to fill up the gaps, then I'm doubtful
that water droplets in your connectors are due to condensation.  In
extreme weather (100f  100% humidity) the saturation point of water
vapor in air is around 3%.  If there's 2 cm^3 (estimated) of air trapped
in an N-connector, then there's less than .1 cm^3 of water vapor inside.
Condense that vapor and the droplet will be so small that you might not
be able to see it.

If you wanted to be safe, you could fill the connector cavity with
electrical grease prior to mating the connector halves.  I've never done
it, but it should be fine electrically and there wouldn't be any water
vapor to condense.  This may also help if the water inside your
connectors is due to intrusion rather than condensation.

Chuck Enfield
Sr. Communications Engineer
Penn State University
Telecommunications  Networking Services 110 USB2, UP, PA 16802 Ph.
(814) 863-8715 Fx. (814) 865-3988

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 8:35 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless and connectors...

For those that are doing outdoor wireless, I'm wondering what you use to
seal your exposed connectors. We use coax-seal but we've had a couple of
issues here and there where we still find water inside the connectors,
most likely due to condensation.

Thanks,

Hector Rios

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless and connectors...

[Hector J Rios]

Chuck, 

Thanks for that explanation. That's very interesting. I do use
N-connectors and when I seal them, I wrap them twice, even three times
with coax-seal and then go back over it with electrical tape. I know
that there is no way for water to get in, that's why I was leaning
towards the condensation. In one of the connectors that I found water
in, I cut the tape and the coax seal and noticed everything just outside
the connectors and the cable was dry. When unscrewing the connectors, I
found water droplets inside. Like you, I didn't think condensation was
to blame. So I even went as far as cutting the coax to see if it somehow
water seeped through there, and it was also dry. Do you not think that
with a big temperature change condensation could take place inside the
connector? I can't claim that here in Louisiana we have drastic
temperatures, but we do have the occasional upper 90 degrees day
followed by a sudden thunderstorm.

I will give the electrical grease a try. 

Hector
  

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Enfield
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 10:37 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless and connectors...

I've had good success with Scotch 2228 rubber tape with mastic,
overwrapped in the opposite direction with a good electrical tape.  The
electrical tape is primarily for UV protection since the butyl rubber
sealing tape doesn't hold up well under the light.  It's a good idea to
overwrap the electrical tape with friction tape if abrasion is any
concern at all.

I've never used coax-seal, but I'm familiar with the product.  If you're
tightly compressing the coax-seal to fill up the gaps, then I'm doubtful
that water droplets in your connectors are due to condensation.  In
extreme weather (100f  100% humidity) the saturation point of water
vapor in air is around 3%.  If there's 2 cm^3 (estimated) of air trapped
in an N-connector, then there's less than .1 cm^3 of water vapor inside.
Condense that vapor and the droplet will be so small that you might not
be able to see it.

If you wanted to be safe, you could fill the connector cavity with
electrical grease prior to mating the connector halves.  I've never done
it, but it should be fine electrically and there wouldn't be any water
vapor to condense.  This may also help if the water inside your
connectors is due to intrusion rather than condensation.

Chuck Enfield
Sr. Communications Engineer
Penn State University
Telecommunications  Networking Services
110 USB2, UP, PA 16802
Ph. (814) 863-8715
Fx. (814) 865-3988

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 8:35 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless and connectors...

For those that are doing outdoor wireless, I'm wondering what you use to
seal your exposed connectors. We use coax-seal but we've had a couple of
issues here and there where we still find water inside the connectors,
most likely due to condensation.

Thanks,

Hector Rios
Louisiana State University

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless and connectors...

[Chuck Enfield]

I've had good success with Scotch 2228 rubber tape with mastic,
overwrapped in the opposite direction with a good electrical tape.  The
electrical tape is primarily for UV protection since the butyl rubber
sealing tape doesn't hold up well under the light.  It's a good idea to
overwrap the electrical tape with friction tape if abrasion is any
concern at all.

I've never used coax-seal, but I'm familiar with the product.  If you're
tightly compressing the coax-seal to fill up the gaps, then I'm doubtful
that water droplets in your connectors are due to condensation.  In
extreme weather (100f  100% humidity) the saturation point of water
vapor in air is around 3%.  If there's 2 cm^3 (estimated) of air trapped
in an N-connector, then there's less than .1 cm^3 of water vapor inside.
Condense that vapor and the droplet will be so small that you might not
be able to see it.

If you wanted to be safe, you could fill the connector cavity with
electrical grease prior to mating the connector halves.  I've never done
it, but it should be fine electrically and there wouldn't be any water
vapor to condense.  This may also help if the water inside your
connectors is due to intrusion rather than condensation.

Chuck Enfield
Sr. Communications Engineer
Penn State University
Telecommunications  Networking Services
110 USB2, UP, PA 16802
Ph. (814) 863-8715
Fx. (814) 865-3988

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 8:35 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless and connectors...

For those that are doing outdoor wireless, I'm wondering what you use to
seal your exposed connectors. We use coax-seal but we've had a couple of
issues here and there where we still find water inside the connectors,
most likely due to condensation.

Thanks,

Hector Rios
Louisiana State University

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless and connectors...

[Bosse, Jerry]

I had a customer recently explain his method which may be an option as
well:

He said that he has used UV rated cold shrink over the connection and
sealed the ends with silicone to make it watertight.  He told me that he
tested this method once by submerging the connection in water for a year
and had no leakage.  In his experience, this type of waterproofing costs
a little more but lasts much longer than the butyl tape method.

Jerry Bosse
Account Manager
410-229-1096  Tel
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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TESSCO
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-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Enfield
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 11:37 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless and connectors...

I've had good success with Scotch 2228 rubber tape with mastic,
overwrapped in the opposite direction with a good electrical tape.  The
electrical tape is primarily for UV protection since the butyl rubber
sealing tape doesn't hold up well under the light.  It's a good idea to
overwrap the electrical tape with friction tape if abrasion is any
concern at all.

I've never used coax-seal, but I'm familiar with the product.  If you're
tightly compressing the coax-seal to fill up the gaps, then I'm doubtful
that water droplets in your connectors are due to condensation.  In
extreme weather (100f  100% humidity) the saturation point of water
vapor in air is around 3%.  If there's 2 cm^3 (estimated) of air trapped
in an N-connector, then there's less than .1 cm^3 of water vapor inside.
Condense that vapor and the droplet will be so small that you might not
be able to see it.

If you wanted to be safe, you could fill the connector cavity with
electrical grease prior to mating the connector halves.  I've never done
it, but it should be fine electrically and there wouldn't be any water
vapor to condense.  This may also help if the water inside your
connectors is due to intrusion rather than condensation.

Chuck Enfield
Sr. Communications Engineer
Penn State University
Telecommunications  Networking Services 110 USB2, UP, PA 16802 Ph.
(814) 863-8715 Fx. (814) 865-3988

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 8:35 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless and connectors...

For those that are doing outdoor wireless, I'm wondering what you use to
seal your exposed connectors. We use coax-seal but we've had a couple of
issues here and there where we still find water inside the connectors,
most likely due to condensation.

Thanks,

Hector Rios
Louisiana State University

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Outdoor wireless and connectors...

[Hector J Rios]

For those that are doing outdoor wireless, I'm wondering what you use to
seal your exposed connectors. We use coax-seal but we've had a couple of
issues here and there where we still find water inside the connectors,
most likely due to condensation.

Thanks,

Hector Rios
Louisiana State University

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless and connectors...

[Ringgold, Clint]

We also use the seal.

Here is a great demo on how to  http://www.naval.com/coax-seal/

However, we also wrap ours again with electrical tape usually in the
opposite direction (if we remember) and go beyond the seal.


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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 8:35 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless and connectors...

For those that are doing outdoor wireless, I'm wondering what you use to
seal your exposed connectors. We use coax-seal but we've had a couple of
issues here and there where we still find water inside the connectors,
most likely due to condensation.

Thanks,

Hector Rios
Louisiana State University

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless and connectors...

[Kocsondy, Ryan]

We use either coax-seal (coaxseal.com) or 3m/Scotch Linerless Rubber
tape.  On top of either, we use standard electrical tape wrapped in the
opposite direction.  Lately we lean more towards the coax-seal product.
Works great.  

Ryan Kocsondy 
University of Connecticut

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Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 8:35 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless and connectors...

For those that are doing outdoor wireless, I'm wondering what you use to
seal your exposed connectors. We use coax-seal but we've had a couple of
issues here and there where we still find water inside the connectors,
most likely due to condensation.

Thanks,

Hector Rios
Louisiana State University

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Outdoor wireless coverage on campus?

[Earl Barfield]

I'm interested in any outdoor wireless deployments on campuses. 

Here at Georgia Tech, we have a dozen or so outdoor access points covering
some key locations and a bus route.  Our APs are YDI WiPOP in a Box
that is a Proxim AP2000 in a weatherproof enclosure with amplifier and
power supply, connected to antennas mounted on non-penetrating sleds
on rooftops.  We've got wired ethernet connected to each outdoor
access point and all APs are on the same subnet so that roaming is
as seamless as possible.

We're about to embark on a project to cover much more of our outdoor
campus areas and I'm curious if anyone else on this list has already
done this.  I'd love to swap info and lessons learned, either on the
list or via private email if you prefer.

Questions for which we need to come up with answers:


Which users are targeted?
   - Buses?
   - Police cars?
   - Students?
   - Faculty/Staff?
   - Visitors?

Which areas do we want to cover?  Build it and they will come
   - Additional bus routes?
   - Green spaces?

What kinds of access points should we use?
   - 802.11b or 802.11g
   - YDI WiPOPs  (What we have now, but no longer available YDI is now Terabeam)
   - Cobble together our own enclosures for Cisco AP-1200s
   - Cisco 1300 Outdoor  
   - BelAir?
   - Anything else?

Large cell versus small cell
   - We're currently doing the largest cells possible with amps and
 gain antennas
   - We could get better coverage with lots and lots of lower powered
 APs but it would cost more and installation could be troublesome in
 some areas.

Where will access points be mounted?
   - Do we continue with mounting them on rooftop sleds and running
 conduit to nearest data closet for connectivity?
   - What about using 802.11a uplinks to the APs in places where it
 will be difficult to run conduit?
   - What are the odds that Facilities would allow us to mount to
 light poles?

Who will do site surveys?
   - Definitely want to get these done before leaves fall 


-- 
Earl Barfield  --  Academic  Research Technologies / Information Technology
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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