Re: Mock blink
This is a list I do not want to be on. I keep trying to get off, but noone seems to be listening. I am almost willing to close my e-mail account to get off this BULLSHIT list. Someone help me. AJ --- John M. Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mock blink mock the dribbling that you thought made matter blathered dreaming of a cubit sprawling samples speeded toward yr sleep tug gap chunks of tunnel scalded in your posture stun nab and plunder phone and crystal ham shadow and spattered log rancid foam and dust swallowed wallet sky blip and bled towel lumber ashy face hair and moisture gun bloom the bullets you could half move the pallets you could lick dry the tundra you could chew age the laundry you could blink John M. Bennett __ Dr. John M. Bennett Curator, Avant Writing Collection Rare Books Manuscripts Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Av Mall Columbus, OH 43210 USA (614) 292-3029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.johnmbennett.net ___ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Mock blink
Canadians DO NOT write poetry. They pretend, or BITCH! AJ --- John M. Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mock blink mock the dribbling that you thought made matter blathered dreaming of a cubit sprawling samples speeded toward yr sleep tug gap chunks of tunnel scalded in your posture stun nab and plunder phone and crystal ham shadow and spattered log rancid foam and dust swallowed wallet sky blip and bled towel lumber ashy face hair and moisture gun bloom the bullets you could half move the pallets you could lick dry the tundra you could chew age the laundry you could blink John M. Bennett __ Dr. John M. Bennett Curator, Avant Writing Collection Rare Books Manuscripts Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Av Mall Columbus, OH 43210 USA (614) 292-3029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.johnmbennett.net ___ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Re: Poem or Song?
It's a poem, in need of editing. Where are the silences? Why are there redundencies? Nice start. AJ --- Thomas savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Poem or Song? Ain't she sweet? It ain't necessarily so. Tell it to me confidentially So I may spread it abroad. Your ending surprised me In that all of us went on. Open-ended and closed simultaneously. The boat dances To the waves' strut. As the tempo picks up We slow down to it Long enough to allow Some great silences between us. Two sister churches wiggle in the distance. __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: not
--- Halvard Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 21, 2005, at 8:42 AM, Dan Waber wrote: not a purdy pitchur no not nobody __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
How could I believe it untrue
Nessens primavera (What he said about Nixon.) and bottle of Great Wall wine, and thinking Jackson Pollock and Cool Hand Luke folly juxtaposed against. And he says, he says to all those folk who mistook freedom for peace, Palm Sunday cross in hand, he says, let breath be our license. And then, his girl tucked under chin, and he rubs from the arch of her nose to her eyebrows, occasionally curling the index finger and pinching gentle its tip. Am I your sweetness, he says, Am I your sweetness? __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: not
negga negga negga --- Dan Waber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: not
negga negga negga --- Alex Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Halvard Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 21, 2005, at 8:42 AM, Dan Waber wrote: not a purdy pitchur no not nobody __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: or
or, simply put, what-not -- --- Bob Marcacci [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: or what __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Flash Vignette-- only in the word, suckers!
Flash Vignette Knew a man whod grope his wife from behind a large white sheet made antiseptic. And whod press tranny hookers into being force-fed ¼-carat diamonds wrapped in feces. And whose semen, I was told, somehowd congeal like aspic. Mere alcohol doesnt thrill me at all, he liked to boast, quoting from Cole Porter song heard x-times by way of Sinatra. When she was young, she was a beautiful woman-- And as she got older, eyeliner made her eyes look deep-set and skin no longer taught, relaxed itself along the bones of her face. --- Alan Sondheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: secret history http://www.asondheim.org/bio.mov perhaps false memory perhaps not _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
How Do You Make It Read Like Love
How Do You Make It Read Like Love Mightve carelessly made do, wrenched, all dry down there -- back, what-what, a shoulder Lift your wings! against my, pause said pause, face. Happy toes happy toes, happy toes! Ah, when say, when, always when -- like that! --- John M. Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Soap crawling soap you cabled all the stinking? randled all the posting? all the plopping spandex? grease inhaled? tassels? comber rinsings? tubal ligations? ashed of mouth cram salad clotted nabbers or you delbmuf lla eht chiming at eht stunning faucet like a closet tsud a poultry jacket dragging on a hook shot for use stirred the oil toilet core of stubble growth and ,ecirp dalas or your dripping wallet stuttered for the bent guts your whispered crawling John M. Bennett __ Dr. John M. Bennett Curator, Avant Writing Collection Rare Books Manuscripts Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Av Mall Columbus, OH 43210 USA (614) 292-3029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.johnmbennett.net ___ __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: 2 real things
Bosom -- What a fuckin marvelous word. Ha, beaver! --- Alan Sondheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2 real things flaccus, thomas ward, wrote this book, published 1842, anonymous. the signature is signed by the author the author - http://www.asondheim.org/ - scroll down the directory to the four 'flaccus' images - how to authenticate? how not to? if it were signed flaccus or thomas ward, would there be any greater guarantee? a signature is always on the periphery - where authenticity exists (see adorno on the same) - i included a poem i like. flaccus was attacked somewhat but not entirely rightfully by edgar allan poe: http://www.eapoe.org/works/criticsm/gm43wt01.htm (but then what is 'rightfully'?) i was incredibly lucky to find the book, which appears to include the author's own corrections. (i couldn't find an online copy at all.) who else would write a poem about throwing up at sea? = two nights ago there was a huge water main break in front of our house, flooding the whole area of flatbush avenue, dean street, a bit of pacific, etc. i videotaped at 3 a.m. i was going to make a 'piece' out of it, but was fascinated by the water literally pushing up through cracks and manhole covers in the street. here it is sped up 300 per cent: http://www.asondheim.org/fastbreak.mp4 art imitates nature - industry imitates art - decay imitates industry - breakage imitates decay - flood imitates breakage - nature imitates flood - _ __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: the truth
If you're working in context of form as architecture -- then, regardless of poem's intelligence and inner satire, you might wanna tweak into content, you being certainly more discerning than myself, and form, in order to establish greater symmetry. That is, if we're thinking similarly -- and if feedback is being solicited. AJ __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: I enjoy the rough
Years been drawing d o o r s on that wall and how? when? what one might go through it? --- mIEKAL aND [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I enjoy the rough of the contrary grain (saith drool have walked 3 steps a time some what in the continuous dark in the music I my own are no meddling hands but the weak hand and dance savory ( this is how we save the beard savory ( the beggars alimony a dance / down press of the /a man fingers/ easel of the/ dancer weak hand/ kicking colors :\ S A M S A R A C O N G E R I E S \: :/ taking tea /: __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: I enjoy the rough
Years been drawing d o o r on that wall and how when what one can might go thr u it? --- mIEKAL aND [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I enjoy the rough of the contrary grain (saith drool have walked 3 steps a time some what in the continuous dark in the music I my own are no meddling hands but the weak hand and dance savory ( this is how we save the beard savory ( the beggars alimony a dance / down press of the /a man fingers/ easel of the/ dancer weak hand/ kicking colors :\ S A M S A R A C O N G E R I E S \: :/ taking tea /: __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
squirt guns, flour bombs,cranberry cheese pies!
aint awaref silences interned without variable riff patterns, said. Whats burgeonin not never tell you. this crimp 'n sleeves been tugged persist-ently ands stiff fer havin' been pulled bychoicest hands no sense n washin spots thatll remain? why ttempt ta wring myself ina drownin'? -- sirens aint callin me! regardless am shellin almonds with heelf squirt guns, flour bombs,cranberry cheese pies! swear ndeed wont stop less ve tilled aggregate in ta soil andve left leaflets [ ] on bricks themselves have ridden a bicycle In ta the desert and fancy day staring boldly at monster clouds a b o v e and did so Hardly and Hard So even so Did cause Was lookin fer much more than what-was after. What passing losing letters books and telling Cant shame myself Into laughing a little longer When alls Im doing Or going to do, the will do itd Ok be wearisome. Sf6571 ter. --- Allen Bramhall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: atalie wondered if Moses yodeled to the Egyptians. What if I yodeled, and let that down? What if the latest car crash involving Lindsay Lohan and the paparazzi reduced possibility to the smallest? These unlabored questions off the top of my head, while judging this minute's negation. does it all sound funny? fo' shizzle my nizzle. i do something rong, He comes up me and sayz wat are u doing nb. i go hu the hell are u? he goes: I am Alexander Blake (looking up cuz he's so short). Lindsay Lohan is brilliant, she's beautiful, she's African-American, she's single and she's a concert pianist in her spare time. My head itches. What is your main ring tone on your phone? When you blow up a K-mart using a bomb.The complex cosmic mythology of ancient Greece presented itself as an all-encompassing impulsive projection of Hey we and the gang are going to go to a K-bomb. Do you like potatoes? Sterno wonders why CNN cares that *Lindsay* *Lohan* wonders why tabloids care. This page may be dreadlocked for future retrieval, dreadlock type starlight: retrieve delicate tab full text Index starlight. delicate true Format page for shizzle my nizzle Script: print loss, predicate shizzle my nizzle script: show Email Details. father father father loss travelling away, In starlight true delicate starlight, delicate treason. starlight father FORMATS delicate user Group Name. starlight Marked Items, marked banquet travelling away. True delicate starlight gets banquet. delicate Previous Search searches History travelling away true treasonous delicate method. starlight views History, delicate user Group Names. starlight Dictionary shizzle my nizzle script (dictionary travelling away). tools help page??? Help starlight, Help banquet, especially KEY starlight RETRIEVAL DONE. delicate pro did starlight's treasonous Basic Search. redirect starlight Basic Search, do treason user's Name. delicate starlight Subject Guide Search redirects starlight's subjection, prods treasonous method display, Forms user Publication redirection, pages light prepublication's phaser Query Din. Treasonous group name Advanced in Searchlight. the memory of historical events is modified, after two or three centuries __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: a 2nd one sounded
barnacles as they tighten coarsely round the oar great! --- Sheila Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: these pieces you've just posted are all glorious --- mIEKAL aND [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a 2nd one sounded confused from the beginning stand on private danger of a dangling measure words by a slow breath they yearned of the eccentric night worse than ringing the riverbank willow you spin from garden to making a slim book bout a needle of light sweating in your head in time with the lesbian medallion a fancy man bites your knuckle ( against jawbone all matter of taunting is spanking the minute rest cluster the barnacles as they tighten coarsely round the oar :\ S A M S A R A C O N G E R I E S \: :/ taking tea /: __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: is
You need to use contractions, cannot revert to 19th British style -- as Oscar Wilde, might've done. Why? While I understand, and this is my opinion, and have done it that way myself, it's not easily transfer to a non native speaking audience -- and everyone's speaking English, mostly because it's the most democratic of languages, another reason why poetry should be open -- and the point of writing, I think, outside of orgasm, is to share! AJ --- Halvard Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 30, 2005, at 7:12 AM, Dan Waber wrote: is is is nt enuf HalI can see that you are the kind of young man who is accustomed to winning arguments. --Gertrude Stein to Mortimer Adler Halvard Johnson email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard blogs: http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Fwd: FW: IMOMF
--- Bill Berkson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:58:11 -0700 From: Bill Berkson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: IMOMF To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MOMA REPUBLISHES IMOMF In Memory of My Feelings-Frank O'Hara.~Edited with an afterword by Bill Berkson. Between 1952, when Frank O'Hara published his first collection of poems, and his death, in 1966, at the early age of forty, he became recognized as a quintessential American poet whose vernacular phrasing, both worldly and lyrical, beautifully told of the urban life of his generation. In addition to the contribution he made to American literature, O'Hara was a vital figure in the New York cultural scene and spent many years working at The Museum of Modern Art, where, having begun by taking a job selling postcards on the admissions desk, he ultimately became an associate curator in the Department of Painting and Sculpture. And when he unexpectedly died, in an accident on the beach at Fire Island, New York, he was deeply mourned by the Museum's staff and by the New York art world. In Memory of My Feelings was published by the Museum in 1967 to honor its late curator. The book was edited by the poet Bill Berkson, who had been a close friend of O'Hara's and was then a guest editor in the Museum's Department of Publications. Berkson invited thirty artists who had known O'Hara, ranging from Willem de Kooning to Claes Oldenburg, from Joan Mitchell to Jasper Johns, to produce works to accompany his poems. The book was issued in a limited edition as a set of folded sheets held loose in a cloth-and-board folio that was itself contained in a slipcase. Now, for the first time, the Museum has republished In Memory of My Feelings in a conventionally bound edition, and with a newly designed paper jacket instead of a slipcase. In every other way, however, this book is an exact facsimile of the edition of 1967. PUBLISHED BY: The Museum of Modern Art, New York FORMAT: Clothbound, 9 x 12 in./224 pgs / 49 color illus. ISBN: 0870705105 RELEASE: Oct 2005 -- End of Forwarded Message __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Symphony Ode
Symphony Ode dear dear you you that YES dang-ling in tow odd end held in force and __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: The Alex Jorgensen Celebrity Cult
Thanks Lanny. Nice to know you're one of the mates! Hope to meet soon (and with compassion, or, one hopes, good sense). Beijing, Bookworm, next Tuesday, come see a group of open poets talk about life, disagree and agree, and build dignified community - still, thank goodness, worth something. There will be all kinds of folk, speaking many languages, knowing one, hard-faught, in particular, but not you (alas - shame). Friends are important, really. And when you sit down on the floor, sharing their company, among friends one does feel, as you know, less alone. Must wonder what it's like when they go? I always felt this way after first kind smile and open shake of introduction - as if one'd stubbled to place remotely realizing sense down home feeling. AJ __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: rubin's vase
Very good advice. Through that, and by traveling, where at most place one's outside of pretense, I've made that initial contact, the learning whether you really wanna know this person, or share. Is a good idea! Was able to meet a number of people, make, continue contact with many (and I may think I like my work, but I'm nobody too). Smoked pot in Prague, 2 joints to be exact, with Anne Waldman. And poem working dat death'll bring us closer he say to an awareness of time, our place, clearing, the end of furrowed roads overwhich and round's green and leafy... --- Ryan Whyte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks very much, Lanny. I know--and like--Barbara Stafford's work. Hadn't thought of contacting her; she's a bigshot and I'm nobody. Good idea, though-- thanks again! Ryan On Thu, 22 Sep 2005, lanny quarles wrote: I don't think these articles are specifically about the history of, per se but someone who might possibly know a great deal about such a thing would seem to be Barbara Maria Stafford, Her work in Artful Science and Body criticism give very well researched perspectives to many historical aspects of the visual. the intertwining of enchantment and enlightenment I highly recommend her books. I would think she might know something of this. http://home.uchicago.edu/~bms6/ which has her phone number but no email. Here's her latest interests: Revised: September 2005 Taking the long perspective, my research has charted the polyopticalities, or multiple means of spatial presentation, characterizing the early modern period up to and including the contemporary era of electronic media. While always working at the intersection of the imaging arts, the visualizing sciences, and performance technologies, I have now expanded my intense focus on the body and embodied experience. My recent essays examine the revolutionary ways in which the brain sciences are changing our view of the total sensorium and inflecting our fundamental assumptions concerning perception, sensation, emotion, mental imagery, and subjectivity. I am currently engaged in writing a cognitive history of images. here's a neuroscience article: Activity in the Fusiform Gyrus Predicts Conscious Perception of Rubinâs VaseâFace Illusion Timothy J. Andrews,*,â ,1 Denis Schluppeck,*,2 Dave Homfray,â Paul Matthews,â and Colin Blakemore* http://www.cns.nyu.edu/~ds/neuroimage_17_890.pdf There's also a mention in this doc: Image Parsing Mechanisms of the Visual Cortex Rüdiger von der Heydt Krieger Mind/Brain Institute and Department of Neuroscience, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD 21218 http://www.mb.jhu.edu/vonderheydt/media/neuroscience.pdf and this: The Story of the Story: Invasions from the Real Dr Edmond Wright http://www.cus.cam.ac.uk/~elw33/articles/story.html - Original Message - From: Ryan Whyte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WRYTING-L@listserv.utoronto.ca Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:10 PM Subject: rubin's vase Does anyone know of works dealing with the history of the Rubin's vase illusion--aside from Gombrich, of course-- thanks greatly, Ryan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Into being force-fed ¼-carat diamonds
Knew a man whod grope his Wife Behind a large white sheet 'made antiseptic' And whod press tranny hookers Into being force-fed ¼-carat diamonds Wrapped in feces And whose semen I was told somehowd congeal like aspic 'Mere alcohol doesnt thrill me at all!' he'd boast quoting from Cole Porter song byway'f Sinatra ... more to come --- Allen Bramhall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oft done Britney spear carrying Boston, this historic into blue or reedy evildoing within misdoings of closured f action dust, how trotting its dogmatisms carvings , cheeseparings of flight godchild the enemy glaring in, skirting dissuading with topic's elegy, all the obscuring springtimes furtiveness daring revoltingly into neighborly concourse, smoothing up to the diminution with Stafford's sods, the rooster in gloomy citified mud pies of binding grovers, trot underadjusting to sheeps, cart's into the swirl of woodchuck's up overbearingness through revolting oblivion with clearinghouse carvings watchdogging, godchilddelicacy rose with our gloved, the ghost bulleting its carhopping, Childbearings or watches antagonizing more mountaineering to the clumsy rift focus, delicacy roseelegy's carvings much to our childbearings, who emetic watches , which gladsome delicacy rosetrotted, just to livelong midst the elegy's on emetic, but this is networking plus slosh of purpled rob e, no delicacy rosechanges to deride with flock of history's trust, the boondogglers cart's lodging from the hint to the utmost deer's going including the definitive watcher'sdelicacy rose .dogmatisms cart's dreadnought, tho the fir es churn with . __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Like a girl way you twirl your hair?
might / carelessly / make do / wrench / All dry down there! / strong back / what-what / a shoulder / Lift your wings! / against my / pause he said pause / face happy toes / happy toes / happy toes / aah / when say / when always / when / like that / Like a girl way you twirl your hair? __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: is
might / carelessly / make do / wrench / All dry down there! / strong back / what-what / a shoulder / Lift your wings! / against my / pause said pause / face / happy toes / happy toes / happy toes / aah / when say / when always / when / like that / Like a girl way you twirl your hair? / __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: we know hut
don't know how to edit yourself, and I'll say that without being pretensious--but straight to the point. It's the littler, littler, wrote littler till just before finally disappear! Xiao Yao --- Allen Bramhall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heres surely much to discuss here so things sun get ugly we stud round milking the moment thinking of our special nurture taut fun tire you weir you right down youll find yourself eventfully culling home or wit's left of it when you do the surprise shut lawsuit will seem tepid like lust week still we got together on this island wearing workbooks fund opening odd suns sometimes we find hut we need buns soup beer sometimes just you nun of worms the ides of you coon of worms comes fund goes eventually I will wrestle with it surely the others will us well thats our moon exercise after ullage looking across the one street on this island we develop our respective world views oddly we all think the sum thing this is our prism this place the sun house token its time and we hover token in ours __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: we know hut
Allen, It's got lots, and surely I'm no final decider of anything, or maybe anyone else with regards to vision of what you've to say, your own sense being the truest golden ear. What I should have said is that when you've got that, and I understand and appreciate your comments, you'd have been left with more than many of us. Glad you're sharing!! Alex --- Allen Bramhall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex Jorgensen wrote: don't know how to edit yourself, and I'll say that without being pretensious--but straight to the point. It's the littler, littler, wrote littler till just before finally disappear! Xiao Yao I post a lot with the enthusiasm of having done something. this sort of piece benefits from time. so I agree with you. I'll look at it again when it is new to me again. I appreciate yours words. I'm a lower case experimentalist, just trying to get some exercise. Allen __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: slackness
It's Lynchian, can I call it, and very good, if I can so that much. Bravo! Tied it together well. --- Allen Bramhall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: excise purpleness of this paddle, which could be rarer plus grainier with a red delivery truck color, the chance beyond cold waves. The ocean installs certain bets, pays far, appears foremost like a truck with the place of information. The hard effort of the luminous ones announcing which floats outside with the sea's only image, with confusion but with swirl, you will not tranquillize your drama. smack of something slackness, the remainder of your affection. swarm the waves of ammo that says palate of the coast: it can invest us. Then we look beyond the gulf or see soon more visions. Innate ships Viking and canoes and that not with flood. There more than carry, more. New York is cooked slightly, vaporized with something so that installed waxer a correct respect, and man of the left for. We are await whereas us midnight suppers. The odor is existence. laughs of poets' expenses with beer and amnesty. 8 AM is a placement, by getting mixed up a great wanton part work but still: look beyond trees to see the real covers of trap doors. Forget squirrels and pigeons and you point out the religion. The door of the religion is required by covering probability. exactly thus can turn a sentence toymaker of proclamation. This one how much attentions cities! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: slackness
might -- carelessly -- make do -- wrench -- open -- all dry down there -- back -- shoulders -- Lift your wings! -- against my face happy toes -- happy toes -- happy toes -- aah -- when say -- always when -- ( ghosts I can hear -- 'n' like that ) You look like a girl ... Xiao Yao (Rock n' roll rhythmns in the background!) --- Allen Bramhall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: excise purpleness of this paddle, which could be rarer plus grainier with a red delivery truck color, the chance beyond cold waves. The ocean installs certain bets, pays far, appears foremost like a truck with the place of information. The hard effort of the luminous ones announcing which floats outside with the sea's only image, with confusion but with swirl, you will not tranquillize your drama. smack of something slackness, the remainder of your affection. swarm the waves of ammo that says palate of the coast: it can invest us. Then we look beyond the gulf or see soon more visions. Innate ships Viking and canoes and that not with flood. There more than carry, more. New York is cooked slightly, vaporized with something so that installed waxer a correct respect, and man of the left for. We are await whereas us midnight suppers. The odor is existence. laughs of poets' expenses with beer and amnesty. 8 AM is a placement, by getting mixed up a great wanton part work but still: look beyond trees to see the real covers of trap doors. Forget squirrels and pigeons and you point out the religion. The door of the religion is required by covering probability. exactly thus can turn a sentence toymaker of proclamation. This one how much attentions cities! __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: the sticky name is all Bramhall (a partial bio)
An apology. Anyway, nice to read what you wrote. Incidently, I knew Bob Creeley for about seven years. Gotta respect someone who reads Creeley, I think - or, at least, I do. AJ --- Allen Bramhall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex Jorgensen wrote: dis is wha I been waitin tah-hear ah, someone who likes their English broken! thanks! __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: G
The irony, however well-intentioned the remark - It's writing and, at least, an expression and that's enough - 'doesn't serve the people' - and forgets that had it been such in past years, writing would not have evolved. That remark is antithetical to Whitman, for God's sake, not to mention Pound, Stein, philosophy of Tom Paine. I remember telling Bob Creeley that in order to create, I'd be left to refute some of his ideas. Or to build upon - It must be anachronistic, then, according to the logic of quotation, and not the poet. And I suppose this question is of politics. 'It's play?' A. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: G
Nice, Bob. I never reckoned you for much of anything. A. --- Bob Marcacci [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: damn, these squirrelly painters always louse up everything... i was reminded of something i painted or poeted... in this language which lists endlessly why assume we are a part we must be together i look for your trace among mathematic me and free associate the equation may be maybe too personal i take you and that's some wordy evidence... -- Bob Marcacci Blessed is the man who, having nothing to say, abstains from giving in words evidence of the fact. - George Eliot From: Lanny Quarles [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WRYTING-L : Writing and Theory across Disciplines WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 06:43:14 -0700 To: WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA Subject: Re: G In the words of the Immortal le Douanier Shut up and paint. This isn't a poetry list... We can't say poetry is simply by definition. If so, then something is stilted. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: G
and regardless, sir, the message's fallacy. It misleads by providing security. Zukofsky would never puff out such tripe. I like graceful things, too, but would never pretend meself among them. A. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: a real dumb stoner
no need for 'white'--why?--because its assumed to be white, as most busts are. albino reaffirms original notion of bust and then gives the juxtoposition of that wierd albino kid on TV. Bloody is gratuitous and blood is found in the proceeding section. breathing replaced with inhaling, huffing, ... I like champion suit a lot. I knew this Aussie who used to call men the respected, champions. don't use suit twice, I think, maybe flight jacket. Like katydids, periwinkles, how about caekayda (sp) as it gives a juxpos of fierce vs. docile. Take last line, modify it, and use it as a title. --- Lanny Quarles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: white marble bust of ape flecked with fluoronert blood albino ape breathing liquid pfc's in bloody baroque champion suit neoclassical albino ape breathing liquid pfc's in a spacesuit of cinnabar katydids in a spacesuit of cinnabar caryatids in a spacesuit of cinnabar periwinkles a real dumb stoner __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
An Aperitif of Fotbal Lads
An Aperitif of Fotbal Lads A beneficent Oscar Wilde XY was pretty as an adolescent girl. Hed modeled in Paris, or so he said, and made his night by making others. A daft little priss he was prone to wordiness, and the occasional gibe-- throaty as those sown by (Tom) Eliot. My lifes a gentlemens society XYd say. Are you on top or a bottom? for Robert White Creeley Its as if youve taken from where nonsense discovers [seated in restaurant ordering that drinkingll seem without pretense] location--and awakened from beneath, duvet-snug, one piggy thatll wriggle. * Ive counted each word [dear friend] my food having sat awhile [-21° Celsius] and those that're missing mean everything. --- Dan Waber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
No, like this!
An Aperitif of Fotbal Lads A beneficent Oscar Wilde XY was pretty as an adolescent girl. Hed modeled in Paris, or so he said, and made his night by making others. A daft little priss he was prone to wordiness, and the occasional gibe-- throaty as those sown by (Tom) Eliot. My lifes a gentlemens society XYd say. Are you a top, or a bottom? __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: G
There's no spirit in anything I see, here. It's so detached, one might say, that its minutia. It could have been made by something other than a man, and yet the reader still pleads to belong to some form of human connection. Seems disagreeable, something I gotta ask myself, and I don't have the answer, but seems to me only poets should write poems, reclaiming that thousand-year-old tree. AJ --- BjørnMagnhildøen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G T why did Nansen cross Greenland? he wanted to show it was possible why didn't he succeed? because he wanted to show it was possible are the raindrops one thing or several? are all numbers multiples? how will you proceed from now? all the chairs ruin your back P where will you go? i want to be a crow where will the crow go? don't try to imagine what about imagination? another romance what about love? how did the chicken cross the road? t Zk5 Zk5 M M k u x U S what about the road? it continues in each step what steps can there be? did you ask me a question? what will remain? look, the door opened by itself wouldn't you say it was the wind? so where does the wind remain? isn't the weather getting worse all over? everything is getting worse all over lpXhoj w e c an r 7l and y isn't that depressing? not the least what would you call depressing? imagination have you no pity for the world? just imagine what's reality? where are we now? don't you negate reality with all this? where is reality when you sleep? W 1 PG+QV4P PG+QV4P 5aXQtJ7W1 who is sleeping? your unborn brother is sleeping isn't that imagination? isn't that reality? then what is unreal? you were talking about raindrops aren't you stuck here? then why should you ask? T i'm kicking you loose aren't you stuck here? why did the chicken cross the road? because it was stuck did the chicken have imagination? try to imagine what about politics? on which side of the road? what about the road? already answered that X O z d are you stuck here? already answered that do you think i approve of this? try to imagine what's the shortest way from a to b? it's the same place then why did the chicken cross the road? because it was stuck then why do you continue to answer? because of my jovial nature what do you mean by jovial nature? Zv AVxlsMw55 how do you think humans evolved? then how did humans evolve? by their good nature isn't that another excursion? try to imagine what do you mean by nature? excursion kI 3. what do you mean by good? little by little then what is evil? too much by too much and what is jovial? a little chicken don't we eat chickens? out of our good nature how come? how do you think it crossed the road? because it was stuck? we eat what is stucked how come? what else can you eat? does the answer eat the question? on which side are you? what is the road? have you already eaten? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Fwd: Re: teaching creative writing
--- Alex Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:46:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: teaching creative writing To: UB Poetics discussion group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remember talking to friend some years ago about treatise I'd written on the process, and my aesthetic, as they say. At time, I'd been in writer's group (miserably artificial and vain thing in my own estimation--as it's come down, really, to an industry!?). I'd been reading and reading, doing readings, and doing much of what's been suggested, and he said, after kind words, that it might be more worthwhile to get out there into the world in order to have something to write about--to communicate. Tell them to leave the clean space of self-laudatory and hyper-institutionalized engines and create there own. Tell them to sit in the filthy corner of isolation amid barking writers who've got lots of self-serving motives at stake, asking themselves how much they really want to write. Tell them to walk through dangerous places and harsh revolutions in order to say something needing to be said. Ask them to look for someone capable of telling truth. Dare them to communicate with someone who can't read, write, and who they can't impress. Tell them that not everything has been done before, said before, thought or questioned before. Tell them to make their poetry 'open'-- Remind them that priests in gold robes used to ad minster the holy mass, speaking in Latin, with back against those needing most to be so-called saved. And remind them of the responsibility. Challenge them to develop an interior world worthy of the greatest explorers of humanity, divinity, and villainy. Xiao Yao Beijing, China __ Yahoo! for Good Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Harte Crane Syndrome
An apology. I just don't handled this well at all. It's been nice to hear the thoughts of many of you. Last night I went to a reading, drank to much, stumbled myself into thinking I ever had something to say. Thanks. AJ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
One day soon that damn is gonna break
Seven children found wandering together Six-year-old in charge; group later reunited with parents By The Associated Press Monday September 05, 2005 BATON ROUGE, La. -- In the chaos that was Causeway Boulevard, this group of refugees stood out: a 6-year-old boy walking down the road, holding a 5-month-old, surrounded by five toddlers who followed him around as if he were their leader. They were holding hands. Three of the children were about 2 years old, and one was wearing only diapers. A 3-year-old girl, who wore colorful barrettes on the ends of her braids, had her 14-month-old brother in tow. The 6-year-old spoke for all of them, and he told rescuers his name was Deamonte Love. Thousands of human stories have flown past relief workers in the last week, but few have touched them as much as the seven children who were found wandering together Thursday at an evacuation point in downtown New Orleans. In the Baton Rouge headquarters of the rescue operation, paramedics tried to coax their names out of them; nurses who examined them stayed up that night, brooding. Transporting the children alone was the hardest thing I've ever done in my life, knowing that their parents are either dead or that they had been abandoned, said Pat Coveney, a Houston emergency medical technician who put them into the back of his ambulance and drove them out of New Orleans. It goes back to the same thing, he said. How did a 6-year-old end up being in charge of six babies? So far, parents displaced by flooding have reported 220 children missing, but that number is expected to rise, said Mike Kenner of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, which will help reunite families. With crowds churning at evacuation points, many children were parted from their parents accidentally; one woman handed her baby up onto a bus, turned around to pick up her suitcase and turned back to find that the bus had left. At the rescue headquarters, a cool tile-floored building swarming with firefighters and paramedics, the children ate cafeteria food and fell into a deep sleep. Deamonte volunteered his vital statistics. He said his father was tall and his mother was short. He gave his address, his phone number and the name of his elementary school. He said the 5-month-old was his brother, Darynael, and that two others were his cousins, Tyreek and Zoria. The other three lived in his apartment building. The children were clean and healthy -- downright plump in the case of the infant, said Joyce Miller, a nurse who examined them. It was clear, she said, that time had been taken with those kids. The baby was fat and happy. This baby child was terrified, he said. After she relaxed, it was gobble, gobble, gobble. As grim dispatches came in from the field, one woman in the office burst into tears at the thought that the children had been abandoned in New Orleans, said Sharon Howard, assistant secretary of the office of public health. Late the same night, they got an encouraging report: A woman in a shelter in Thibodeaux was searching for seven children. People in the building started clapping at the news. But when they got the mother on the phone, it became clear that she was looking for a different group of seven children, Howard said. What that made me understand was that this was happening across the state, she said. That kind of frightened me. The children were transferred to a shelter operated by the Department of Social Services, rooms full of toys and cribs where mentors from the Big Buddy Program were on hand day and night. For the next two days, the staff did detective work. Deamonte began to give more details to Derrick Robertson, a 27-year-old Big Buddy mentor: How he saw his mother cry when he was loaded onto the helicopter. How he promised her he'd take care of his little brother. Late Saturday night, they found Deamonte's mother, who was in a shelter in San Antonio along with the four mothers of the other five children. Catrina Williams, 26, saw her children's pictures on a web site set up over the weekend by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. By Sunday, a private plane from Angel Flight was waiting to take the children to Texas. In a phone interview, Williams said she is the kind of mother who doesn't let her children out of her sight. What happened the Thursday after the hurricane, she said, was that her family, trapped in an apartment building on the 3200 block of Third Street in New Orleans, began to feel desperate. The water wasn't going down and they had been living without light, food or air conditioning for four days. The baby needed milk and the milk was gone. So she decided they would evacuate by helicopter. When a helicopter arrived to pick them up they were told to send the children first and that the helicopter would be back in 25 minutes. She and her neighbors had to make a quick decision. It was a wrenching moment. Williams' father, Adrian Love, told her to send the children
Jessicas Lounge
Jessicas Lounge Did whats-his-face ever leave? He invited 400 of his closest friends to the wedding. But I did not think the world that safe a place when he finally bought her a diamond. Took an antihistamine before saying, I do. --- Lawrence Upton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Voice 1: I am looking at the bay. The bay is defective. Voice 2: The morning in particular. Voice 3: Muddled. Voice 2: The whole series pulsing. Voice 1: The radio unusual. Voice 3: Making targets. Voice 2: Beginning to tell. Voice 3: Shot through. Voice 1: A torn situation. Voice 2: The truth big. Voice 3: In psychotic embrace. Voice 1: A reliable attack. Voice 2: Witnessed. Voice 3: The front of hurt. Touching force. Voice 2: The enormity of the craving. Voice 1: A collapse of readers. Voice 3: Followers aground on power. Voice 1: A landmark. Voice 3: The sea is too withered. Voice 2: Congestive. Wounded voice of crying. From choking language. Voice 1: The bird. Fluid filled. Uncollected. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: you
you turn round and round --- Lawrence Upton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you turn - Original Message - From: Dan Waber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: you you __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
With regards to poetry,
http://vispo.com/nio/SoundShapes.htm AJ --- Alex Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you turn round and round --- Lawrence Upton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you turn - Original Message - From: Dan Waber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: you you __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
creeley
Incidently, which I reckon most know, RC's obituary appeared in papers internationally. http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/creeley/obit/kelleher.html AJ --- Alex Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you turn round and round --- Lawrence Upton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you turn - Original Message - From: Dan Waber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: you you __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
'born to clue gnat dance'
'born to clue gnat dance' Wow! There must be future, amongst all this, somewhere, where poets communicate to those who, for old time's sake, are still listening. A friend of mine, great poet, died in late March. I think most of you know him. I just can't believe he'd be doing this 'what-not'. I just don't get it, the vanity, and where it might lead one. I think of a hamster running endlessly on its wheel. All those calories burned, what ambition, time spent nowhere? Some've said that poetry's a societal role and, I think, at this rate doomed to long-term siesta. Machine made yah-yahs don't give us a more feeling individual, nor assist us in both appreciating and, more importantly, comprehending one's relationship to exterior world--and the very real life process of being. melon seed spat to the street and skipping rope past farmland neednt carve any surface ... AJ --- John M. Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Atún seep lap tunt yr clap hobber deep pap butt yr sap dropper reap rat suc yr flap stopper eat mat duck yr map clogger shake lens toot tooth pore yr shuddered sh ape rinse yr bod crumb belt dereyal writ yr broth called north sable drool so door so bung so shattered mile ham punge nope yr gall nat ter spat the fono bled trice snoreway Trilce swallow kciuq won !bate slumber nor yr clow roster flavored bit my knuj bos or clambing elbow blat nap rice John M. Bennett __ Dr. John M. Bennett Curator, Avant Writing Collection Rare Books Manuscripts Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Av Mall Columbus, OH 43210 USA (614) 292-3029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.johnmbennett.net ___ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: map first 1000 hiding-places hardbreak 72 survivors
From little farmer, not that anyone's asking, knods. For some minor stylistic reason, this recalls piece by Kenneth Patchen's Lemon-colored gloves poem. AJ --- BjørnMagnhildøen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Re: 'born to clue gnat dance'
Ryan, I most certainly do not think poetry is pointless. Likewise, please do not infer that I think this list is pointless. Frankly speaking, I don't think my question should one to such a response/conclusion. My question is an inquiry. With so many people on these lists and so many writing programs, why is it that we've lots more ineffectual work (as opposed to, say--). And why is it that many seem more comfortable not asking such questions. It's the work, isn't it, that counts--along with the process (or so is the case, at least for me). AJ --- Ryan Whyte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you think this is all pointless, why do you stay on the list? Ryan Wow! There must be future, amongst all this, somewhere, where poets communicate to those who, for old time's sake, are still listening. A friend of mine, great poet, died in late March. I think most of you know him. I just can't believe he'd be doing this 'what-not'. I just don't get it, the vanity, and where it might lead one. I think of a hamster running endlessly on its wheel. All those calories burned, what ambition, time spent nowhere? Some've said that poetry's a societal role and, I think, at this rate doomed to long-term siesta. Machine made yah-yahs don't give us a more feeling individual, nor assist us in both appreciating and, more importantly, comprehending one's relationship to exterior world--and the very real life process of being. melon seed spat to the street and skipping rope past farmland neednt carve any surface ... AJ --- John M. Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Atún seep lap tunt yr clap hobber deep pap butt yr sap dropper reap rat suc yr flap stopper eat mat duck yr map clogger shake lens toot tooth pore yr shuddered sh ape rinse yr bod crumb belt dereyal writ yr broth called north sable drool so door so bung so shattered mile ham punge nope yr gall nat ter spat the fono bled trice snoreway Trilce swallow kciuq won !bate slumber nor yr clow roster flavored bit my knuj bos or clambing elbow blat nap rice John M. Bennett __ Dr. John M. Bennett Curator, Avant Writing Collection Rare Books Manuscripts Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Av Mall Columbus, OH 43210 USA (614) 292-3029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.johnmbennett.net ___ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: 'born to clue gnat dance'
Ryan, I've posted some work, but the point's missed. I think I was pretty clear with regards to my opinion, which, alas, is solely that. Thanks. AJ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: 'born to clue gnat dance'
Dear Bob, The mistake one makes is in the assumption that words mean anything. It's the context, as you know, which emboldens. This idea, while not clearly articulated or perhaps understood by many in the past, is what's new. This is what one is attempting to accomplish by 'cut-up methodology' (although many are still unaware of this). The methodology is outmoded, the gamble that something barely representative of intelligible communication might arise is the stooge whereby actual communication is relugated to periphery and to the detriment of--. One might say a scribble is something, maybe can coerse others to become excited by it, but this is not poetry's role (as it is to make people excited by what is communication and the possibility thereof). Surely it is fun, which is worthwhile (of course), but that is something entirely different. A parallel could additionally be made between what is created and how it is read (spoken word), and how its worth is perseved by audience carried by waves of emotion and not by what is articulated. To denegrate poetry so, because it might provide one with easy answers to the hard process of discovery, I might liken to academito lower one's standard as to unconsciably deficate on one's self. And I want to suggest that words like 'academic exercise' says nothing, nada, and more manipulative in political context--and leads one to sadly consider the Pied Piper of Hamelin. And this recognition is no more academic than Cummings, Kenneth Patchen, John Cage, Creeley, and O'Hara (among others). To Deconstruct is something, sure, a given, but its the space between the words and behind the words that meaning something and, remember, when they mean nothing, we are cheapened. As Pound said, and I'm paraprasing a quote passed along by Robert Creeley, a poem must stand on the legs of a biped, and its the work untimately that's important (or, again, the communication therein). And so Bob, as one is keenly aware of the process and because we are good friends, I will not bore you with further details. AJ AJ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: words
don't know how say without prepping and these 're old words given me ... --- Dan Waber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: words __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
Re: Art and experiment, vision of the PLAGUE
This is why I permit my box to get stuffed beyond compare, she said, pulling the chicken bones outta her underpants. Thanks, AJ --- Alan Sondheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Art and experiment, vision of the PLAGUE The IMAGE of three folding wooden rulers, German, millimeter rules: PLACE these in a triangular configuration: two from the wall down, one across the endpoints of the two. AS IF these formed an equilateral triangle, however BROKEN by virtue of the WEIGHT of the wood, the intrusion of the physico-inert into the virtual-inert of the static euclidean WORLD. I do not know or give their LENGTH. Remnant of memory: Early 1970s Bykert Gallery NY show: collapsed hyper- cube made from nylon cord - topological accuracy but disrupted per- ception. The IDEAL held; the perceptual-real, i.e. constructed meaning, collapsed. No progress now: This current work represents no progress whatsoever; the theme is tackled with only the DISTINCTION: the topological is trivial (a loop) or absent (an irrelevant loop). The MEASUREMENT is ANALOGIC, the ideal DIGITAL, a world of zero tolerance - well, perhaps analogic as well. Can this be? A zero-tolerance analogic world? A wave-equation collapse or even rounding-off - that REWRITES the digital, INSERTS IT as permanent markers? Or rather, perhaps it is the zero-tolerance digital world that REWRITES and analogic, REINSERTS within the analogic. What of this REWRITE? I have often said: I write myself into existence. I write myself out of existence. And ONLINE? See early Internet Text, Nettext sections: Existence is equivalent to CONTINUOUS REWRITE; when insertion ends (and this is insertion THROUGH the mediation of digital/ analogic means INTO the analogic WETWARE of the perceiving SUBJECT), MEANING begins. The ANALOGIC measurement of the rulers, with WEIGHT and problematic or rough TOLERANCE, is the measure of MEANING as well, coupled with the idealized MIRRORING of the digital within the analogic (as if the analogic were a cast-off of the digital, or as if the digital were a cast-off of the analogic). The rulers, in their UNGAINLY stance, are a source of DIS/COMFITURE or the DIS/EASE of GRAVITY. A straight-line bending, inconceivable! The misplacement of tolerance: Unforgivable! Yet this is what we are confronting in our cultural-political world today: digital laissez-faire and the bending of the analogic, as RULES, not rulers, are bent to meet every contingency: Let us, for example, over-develop this nation, these wetlands, this war, in the guise of the ABSOLUTE - of freedom, of god, of Capital. As with the Procrustean Bed: Cut off what doesn't fit! Purify at all costs! In this regard, the future is always already cleared, cleansed, and ready for action. (All development is over-development or under-development.) Back in the Gallery: I will gather the rulers, take them with me across the United States, sleeping, measuring only the unease of dreams. Four of them, found in a small second-hand shop in Copperton, Utah, next to the Bingham Copper Mine excavation, the largest human-made scar on the face of the earth. Next time, the plague. _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: am on nomail
For those of you, who still believe, that writing's an after taste, that we need community in order to legitimize what it-- Sorry to say, AJ --- Alan Sondheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please note I'm on nomail for a short time - I can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] We're driving back across country. - Alan ( URLs/DVDs/CDroms/books/etc. see http://www.asondheim.org/advert.txt - revised 7/05 ) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
MASTURBATION
What do 'you people' do here. Write. Pontificate. Create a community in which to feel SPECIAL. Or, I wonder, is this simply a place where perverts come, and those who like to watch, listen. And for that gimp, that inevitably will say that art is whatever! FO! AJ --- Lanny Quarles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oops you're talking about Clark Coolidge's Crystal Text that line about the crystal being the opposite of history through me for a loop i guess.. but any comments still apprec. duh lq - Original Message - From: Lanny Quarles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WRYTING-L@listserv.utoronto.ca Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:57 PM Subject: Studio as History Hey Ryan, I'm reading _Studio as History_ by Ryan White this is you right? the introduction is interesting, especially this: Here the crystal - the very opposite of the historical -as the poet's refractory tool, appears as the index of a certain aesthetic occurence; an occurence of an aesthetic. The crystal's making-strange of the 'everyday' is nothing other than the action of a naturalism understood as ahistorical: it is refractory an hard, simply a part of the ground, one of those things which happens before judgement, language, economy. Why is the crystal the very opposite of the historical. (or is it history in the sense of ideological historicism as history) It seems to me that in its oddly constrained morphology via language materiality, 'the mechanical', and the process of feedback, with all kinds of attendant distortions, the crystal or in Wolframist terms 'computationalism' seems as good a way of describing culture as an autonomous meta-biological entity (shades of ?White) as any.. The Ahistorical naturalism.. is this the infinity of unrecordable minutiae that performs the 'content' of history? and is this minutiae the substance of an aesthetic 'occurence', a 'refractory' tool? or perhaps some kind of deanthropomorphisation of the subject read as a universal instantiation of arbitrariness re: carbon, etc. There's some post-structuralism haunting this.. at any rate straighten me out here, i think i'm already flummoxed!! with this thing. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
