[WSG] Word documents saved as html and cleaned.
Hello, I'm currently re-reviewing means to allow my client (a non-profit org) to add formatted articles to a content management system. I've spent a good while reviewing the alternatives from in-browser wysiwyg's/ javascript driven tag generator/html editors to something external like Mozilla Composer. What I need is a means to edit e.g. an article that will ultimately end up within a specific div. The requirements were to at least have options for different platforms, e.g. fckeditor runs in gecko browsers as well as IE. Also, that it would, of course, produce decent HTML to be used in a CSS/XHTML website. A solution that I've found may be the simplest is to work with the organisation's current workflow is simply to have them save Word docs as HTML, add that and then clean it up server side where needed. My questions are: Have any of you used this method? If so to what success with regards to having almost decent HTML? Any other warnings/tips/ideas? Thanks, Nick ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Online browser XTHML editor
I use www.editize.com extensively on all my projects for client admin area, but yes...it's a java plugin, and it's not completely free. Patrick Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote: Hi all Can anyone recommend a browser based editor (preferably written in PHP) that will allow clients to update code themselves, but that outputs standards compliant XHTML? I am not interested in a full CMS, this is just for updating page snippets etc. I have come across WYSIWYG Pro which looks good. Thanks Sarah -- _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Online browser XTHML editor
I've found a half way measure at: http://www.flyspeck.net which does not require a CMS in place, but it doesn't appear to handle XHTML. Can anyone tell me how much of an issue this would be if the client is only updating paragraphs of text, an image upload - simple stuff? There is some degree of control over Flyspeck's editable areas (ref: http://www.flyspeck.net/technical_info/more_control.php ) Thanks for all the other suggestions which I'm looking into too. Sarah I use www.editize.com extensively on all my projects for client admin area, but yes...it's a java plugin, and it's not completely free. Patrick Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote: Hi all Can anyone recommend a browser based editor (preferably written in PHP) that will allow clients to update code themselves, but that outputs standards compliant XHTML? I am not interested in a full CMS, this is just for updating page snippets etc. I have come across WYSIWYG Pro which looks good. Thanks Sarah -- _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- XERT Communications email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +61 2 4782 3104 mobile: 0438 017 416 http://www.xert.com.au | web design | digital imaging | corporate logos | http://www.bureke.com.au | consultancy | e-commerce | usability reports | ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Word documents saved as html and cleaned.
My recommendation would be to create an XML schema and then use a product like infopath to export the xml (xhtml) to your CMS. jonothan On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:14:59 +1000, Nick Lo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm currently re-reviewing means to allow my client (a non-profit org) to add formatted articles to a content management system. I've spent a good while reviewing the alternatives from in-browser wysiwyg's/ javascript driven tag generator/html editors to something external like Mozilla Composer. What I need is a means to edit e.g. an article that will ultimately end up within a specific div. The requirements were to at least have options for different platforms, e.g. fckeditor runs in gecko browsers as well as IE. Also, that it would, of course, produce decent HTML to be used in a CSS/XHTML website. A solution that I've found may be the simplest is to work with the organisation's current workflow is simply to have them save Word docs as HTML, add that and then clean it up server side where needed. My questions are: Have any of you used this method? If so to what success with regards to having almost decent HTML? Any other warnings/tips/ideas? Thanks, Nick ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Word documents saved as html and cleaned.
Hi Jonothan, Yeah, I'd considered that for the future however right now as far as I know Word 2004 on the Mac does not have the ability to save as XML. Since one of the users is a Mac user (so am i in fact) that solution will have to wait. Thanks, Nick My recommendation would be to create an XML schema and then use a product like infopath to export the xml (xhtml) to your CMS. jonothan ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Online browser XTHML editor
I've been looking for a year now for an editor that will produce XHTML. I've chatted electronically with most of the developers/owners and I think as a group they didn't have XHTML on their radar screens at all. The guy who produces FCKEditor for example ( have trouble reading that without mildly shocking myself) told me that yes, he must get around to doing a XHTML version one day soon. Until then it'll change all tags to upper case, it'll allow BR and FONT tags. The only one I've found that produces XHTML is a coldfusion one that Italian Massimo Foti has made. It has the added advantage of a reduced feature set too, so people can't add a hundred fonts etc to their text. It's a lot better at restricting the user's choices to your style sheet options than the others are it seems. Disclaimer: let me add that I have only looked at the coldfusion apps because that's all I need - there may well be other apps that do XHTML in PHP or .ASP or whatever. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com .com,.net,.org domains from AUD$20/Year -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sarah Peeke (XERT) Sent: Tuesday, 24 August 2004 5:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Online browser XTHML editor I've found a half way measure at: http://www.flyspeck.net which does not require a CMS in place, but it doesn't appear to handle XHTML. Can anyone tell me how much of an issue this would be if the client is only updating paragraphs of text, an image upload - simple stuff? There is some degree of control over Flyspeck's editable areas (ref: http://www.flyspeck.net/technical_info/more_control.php ) Thanks for all the other suggestions which I'm looking into too. Sarah ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Div-based design example
John,
Personally I'd avoid position: absolute completely.
In this specific case:
Take the absolute positioning off the copyrighthome div and add a clear all.
#copyrighthome
{
position: absolute;
left: 180px;
top: 460px;
}
becomes
#copyrighthome {margin-left:180px; clear:both}
hope that helps
mike foskett
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http://www.webSemantics.co.uk
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From: John Horner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 24 August 2004 05:27
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WSG] Div-based design example
A friend of mine is working on a div-based design, and as far as I
can see, has pretty much straight away run up against some common
problems for CSS-P newbies.
You can see a kind of stripped-down version of it here:
http://johnhorner.nu/wsg/
and essentially the problems are that the DIVs are fine as long as
the content fits. So if I hit Apple-Plus (increase font size) twice,
the font size is too big and two things happen, the upper DIV starts
to slide behind the lower ones, and the lower ones start to overlap
the footer. This is in FireFox by the way.
What would members recommend? Does this design, for instance, require
relative, not absolute positioning?
Have You Validated Your Code?
John Horner(+612 / 02) 9333 2110
Senior Developer, ABC Online http://www.abc.net.au/
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RE: [WSG] Fluid-fixed design
Kay, There are good examples at www.redmelon.net and a generator at http://www.inknoise.com/... hope it helps Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.webSemantics.co.uk [hosted almost ready] -Original Message- From: Kay Smoljak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 August 2004 06:07 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Fluid-fixed design I know the subject doesn't make a lot of sense :) I have the winning combination of a web site design (photoshop file only), a prima donna graphic designer and a difficult client. The design was initially created to be fixed width, typical blog style centered and dropshadowed with curvy panels, but the client wanted it to be fluid (or at least expand to higher resolutions). Due to some swirly background work, the only place the design can safely expand is through the centre. That means a background graphic hanging off the left hand side, another hanging off the right hand side, and another background image as the main panel background. Does anyone know of a layout doing this that I can steal implementation ideas from? I'm trying to avoid using a table, although I may go that route, because I'd like to use absolute positioning to make the source order search engine friendly. Thanks for any pointers... -- Kay Smoljak http://kay.smoljak.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Word documents saved as html and cleaned.
Ive never tried it but AFAIK Tidy http://tidy.sourceforge.net/ can be used server side to clean up code on POST eg: http://infohound.net/tidy/ -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Nick Lo wrote: Hi Jonothan, Yeah, I'd considered that for the future however right now as far as I know Word 2004 on the Mac does not have the ability to save as XML. Since one of the users is a Mac user (so am i in fact) that solution will have to wait. Thanks, Nick My recommendation would be to create an XML schema and then use a product like infopath to export the xml (xhtml) to your CMS. jonothan ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] NYTimes.com Article: Microsoft Quits a U.N. Standards Group
The article below from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by [EMAIL PROTECTED] This company is really starting to scare me. [EMAIL PROTECTED] /- E-mail Sponsored by Fox Searchlight \ I HEART HUCKABEES - OPENING IN SELECT CITIES OCTOBER 1 From David O. Russell, writer and director of THREE KINGS and FLIRTING WITH DISASTER comes an existential comedy starring Dustin Hoffman, Isabelle Hupert, Jude Law, Jason Schwartzman, Lily Tomlin, Mark Wahlberg and Naomi Watts. Watch the trailer now at: http://www.foxsearchlight.com/huckabees/index_nyt.html \--/ Microsoft Quits a U.N. Standards Group August 24, 2004 By JOHN MARKOFF Microsoft withdrew from a United Nations software standards group for commerce, citing business reasons. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/24/technology/24soft.html?ex=1094355517ei=1en=e6be4aa44b34f223 - Get Home Delivery of The New York Times Newspaper. Imagine reading The New York Times any time anywhere you like! Leisurely catch up on events expand your horizons. Enjoy now for 50% off Home Delivery! Click here: http://homedelivery.nytimes.com/HDS/SubscriptionT1.do?mode=SubscriptionT1ExternalMediaCode=W24AF HOW TO ADVERTISE - For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Online browser XTHML editor
Here's a list of WYSIWYG editors out of my bookmarks folder. XHTML WYSIWYG Editors: (1) Xstandard http://www.telerik.com/Default.aspx?PageId=1586 (2) r.a.d. Editor - The granddaddy of them all. Here's a list of only a few of the features: * Cross-browser support - IE, Netscape, Mozilla. * XHTML compliant. * Find and Replace in Design- and HTML-mode. * Spell checking with the MS Word dictionaries plus Multilingual spell checker(19 languages). * Easy localization through XML. * Full table editing, Word®-like table builder. * Document uploader (PDF, DOC, CHM, etc.) * Enhanced image dialog, thumbnail generator ...etc. The list never ends. http://www.telerik.com/Default.aspx?PageId=1586 WYSIWYG editors I've used or toyed around with: (1) ActiveEdit * Compatible with IE4+, Netscape 6.2+, and Mozilla 1.0+ and works with Mac OS X Safari Browser. * Comes with built-in spell checker. http://www.cfdev.com/activedit/ (2) Cross-browser Rich Text Editor * Compatible with IE5+/Mozilla 1.3+/Mozilla Firebird/Firefox 0.6.1. * Comes with ASP/PHP/HTML demos. * Supports multiple WYSIWYG editor instances on one page http://www.kevinroth.com/rte/demo.htm (3) FCK Editor * Compatible with IE 5+, Mozilla and Netscape http://www.fckeditor.net/ (4) Mishoo HTMLArea * Compatible with IE 5.5+ and Mozilla 1.3 http://dynarch.com/mishoo/htmlarea.epl (5) InteractiveTools HTMLArea * Compatible with IE 5.5+ (Windows)/Mozilla 1.3 (all OS) http://www.interactivetools.com/products/htmlarea/ (6) KUPU * Compatible with Netscape, Mozilla and IE http://kupu.oscom.org/ WYSIWYG editors listing: (1) http://www.bris.ac.uk/is/projects/cms/ttw/ttw.html (2) http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Internet/Authoring/HTML/WYSIWYG_Editors/ WYSIWYG editors research notes: (1) http://www.darrelaustin.com/stuff/htmleditors.html (2) My notes. See above :) Good luck! - Krassy = Krassy Lyakov web.developer web: http://www.krassy.com/ blog: http://www.krassycandoit.com/blah/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] List Idea
Hey Gang, Sorry for going a little OT, but I'm sure this is of interest to heaps of you... I'm sitting here ummming and ahhhing over interface designs for complex forms here at 3am (yes, workaholic), and I thought to myself it'd be great if I could just email this screen grab to my peers for some quick feedback. I don't know if we need a full-on group/list (although I certainly can create one on my server), but at the very least, I thought a handful of you might be interested in a mini group for quickly bouncing ideas of each other. Nothing to full-on, no 20-paragraph rants, minimal code, just quick questions/screengrabs/replies to do with interface design and usability. If there's a demand for such a list or group (even just 5 people who don't mind CC'ing each other), please email me off-list with the subject interface group, and I'll see what I can do. --- Justin French http://indent.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] NYTimes.com Article: Microsoft Quits a U.N. Standards Group
This company is really starting to scare me. The UN Standards group or Microsoft? If Microsoft, Why? The article also mentioned a couple of well known companies who also had issues with the same standards group (SAP in Germany inparticular) - primarily (it seems) over the groups insistance that Intellectual Property placed into the Open Source arena governed by that body would be indemnified by the contributing company. If I was involved with this group and was required to warrant something I placed into an Open Source project which I then had little control over how it would be used, I'd be pulling out too. Regards, Gary Menzel ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] NYTimes.com Article: Microsoft Quits a U.N. Standards Group
Gary, If I was involved with this group and was required to warrant something I placed into an Open Source project which I then had little control over how it would be used, I'd be pulling out too. the issue of IP and standards is a tricky one. There are many standards bodies, the ones we know best are probably the W3C and the ISO. Here is the issue. Due to our current IP laws, (particularly patents) almost every idea under the sun is essentially owned by someone. Obviously standards are based on existing ideas, and so in essence, to have a standard, you are using someone's IP. This is not a theoretical problem. Microsoft have been granted patents that would apply to cascading style sheets. So potentially any browser, or software that uses style sheets may infringe MS's patent. You can see perhaps why I think this is an important issue. Now, if you as a company contribute IP to a standard, in effect you have the standards body over a barrel. In order for anyone to adopt the standard, they need to license your IP. Once a standard is in place, what is to stop you discriminating between different companies, essentially driving some if not all of your competitors out of the space in which the standard operates? So, in order for a standard to work as it should (levelling the playing field for all players), this needs to be addressed. Originally the W3C policy was that all IP had to be offered to anyone using the standard under a Reasonable and non discriminatory license (RAND). This caused an outcry. Suppose MS charged $200K to use CSS. This doesn;t discriminate, as all are charged the same. But whereas Apple or Opera might have no real trouble with that, what about open source projects like Mozilla? Or guys like us (westciv, developers or Style Master)? So the W3C policy now is, royalty free license. You don't lose your IP, you just can't charge for it if it is used in the context of the standard. The issue of what happens if a company changes its mind is interesting, and differs between standards bodies. I won't bore people with the details here, except to say that the license is not enforceable. If I contribute IP to a w3c standard, I can withdraw that even after a standard is published, and the W3C has no way of enforcing the license (this is according to a patent attorney who spoke on this issue at a recent conference I attended) The W3C does have a policy regarding what it will do in these circumstances, bu see here for details http://www.w3.org/IPR/ Sol in essence, there has to be a trade off. You can't be allowed to use IP as a trojan horse to control standards and so a whole industry. At the bottom of this is our really problematic use of Real Property concepts and laws as a basis for IP laws. They are a bad fit for many reasons. Which is not to say we should not have IP laws, but to say that they should be framed in rational ways, for general benefit. At present IP laws are essentially being written by large US companies for their own exclusive benefit. Then countries like australia stupidly adopt them via trojan horses like the recent so called free so called trade so called agreement between the US and Australia, which claim to harmonize IP laws between the US and Australia by *Australia adopting US laws in toto*. Anyway, this is way off topic in some respects, but right on topic in others. john John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com/ software, courses, resources for a standards based web :: style master blog :: http://westciv.typepad.com/dog_or_higher/ :: WebEssentials Sept 2004 Sydney Australia :: http://www.we04.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Testing Strategy for Online Services
Title: Testing Strategy for Online Services Hi All, I am currently drafting a comprehensive testing strategy for some online services that CSA will be piloting in the near future. Has anyone had any experience in this area and know of some good examples or resources. Want to make sure I have covered everything. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Lyndel Munro E-Business Manager Child Support Agency Bus: (02) 6272 8425 Fax: (02) 6272 8897 Mob: 0408 810 199 Website: www.csa.gov.au IMPORTANT The information transmitted is for the use of the intended recipient only and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material. Any unauthorised use of this information by other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may result in severe penalties. If you have received this email in error please notify the Privacy Contact Officer of the Child Support Agency, telephone 02 6272 8346 and delete all copies of this transmission together with any attachments.
[WSG] tab index vs java script in xhtml 1.0
Looking for opinions on the use of javascript for input control focus and tab index, instead of actually using the 'tabindex' attribute... I understnd that incomplete browser support of tabindex might influence this choice, ie javascript. But this would then force the use of the 'name' attribute which is formally deprecated in xhtml 1.0. I guess it improves accessibility but reduces compliance. Any thoughts? Lisa ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Additional - Testing Strategy for Online Services
Title: Additional - Testing Strategy for Online Services Forgot to say that the strategy includes everything from front end to back end. Cheers Lyndel -Original Message- From: Munro, Lyndel Sent: Wednesday, 25 August 2004 11:49 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Testing Strategy for Online Services Hi All, I am currently drafting a comprehensive testing strategy for some online services that CSA will be piloting in the near future. Has anyone had any experience in this area and know of some good examples or resources. Want to make sure I have covered everything. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Lyndel Munro E-Business Manager Child Support Agency Bus: (02) 6272 8425 Fax: (02) 6272 8897 Mob: 0408 810 199 Website: www.csa.gov.au IMPORTANT The information transmitted is for the use of the intended recipient only and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material. Any unauthorised use of this information by other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may result in severe penalties. If you have received this email in error please notify the Privacy Contact Officer of the Child Support Agency, telephone 02 6272 8346 and delete all copies of this transmission together with any attachments.
[WSG] [OT] Employment opportunity in Sydney - Reply off list
Below is a job opportunity at the company I work for.Please reply directly to me off list if you are interested.Permission was granted for this off-topic post by the list organisers. Apologies for the outlook formatted html email. oh the irony ;-) cheers, pete=Fairfax Digital is looking for a highly experienced full-time Web Designer to join the Creative Services team, located in Sydney. Fairfax Digital is one of Australia's largest online publishers with a network of 35+ sites that includes: http://www.fairfaxdigital.com.au http://www.smh.com.au/ http://www.theage.com.au/ http://www.mycareer.com.au/ http://www.domain.com.au/ http://www.drive.com.au/ We want to speak to you if... You are first and foremost a standout visual designer. You have a demonstrated ability proven track record to design large and/or commercial web sites that are attractive, simple and functional. (Include links to examples of your work in your resume). We are looking for a heavyweight Photoshop addict. You are extremely fluent in taking your designs hand coding them using web standards (html, xhtml, css) efficiently in a production environment to produce templates ready to be passed onto backend developers. You have a very strong demonstrated ability with css feel completely at-home using css to its limits to construct page layouts that realise your intended designs, and are accessible valid. You will need to be a heavyweight Homesite, BBEdit, Dreamweaver (code view) or similar user. (We are a PC based team.) You thrive in a collaborative team environment with other designers and information architects. We are looking for a dynamo communicator that expresses themselves well in a team, can follow art direction can also work autonomously with clients/stakeholders on large projects. Your communication collaboration skills will be as highly regarded as your technical skills. You have a demonstrated awareness of business and marketing issues and understand their relationship to web design You have a proven understanding of accessibility usability and their relationship to web design Bonus skills that would be highly regarded: _javascript_, Microsoft Visual Studio .NET, XML, vector graphics (adobe illustrator etc) Salary: In the range of $60,000 - $65,000If you meet the above criteria, please apply by: Sending an email with a cover letter (within the body of an email is fine) telling us why you would like to work for Fairfax Digital and how you meet all the above criteria, along with an attached resume (word doc or PDF no bigger than 1Mb) detailing your qualifications, work history capabilities. Important: You must include examples (or links to examples) of your web design work in your resume. Showing us live sites is going to help. Send the email to me (pottery at fairfaxdigital dott com dott au) by 6pm Friday 17th September '04. note: email address formatted this way to avoid (ok, reduce :) spambots. Peter OtteryHead of DesignFairfax Digital Level 3 Wharf 7 Pirrama Road Pyrmont NSW 2009T: 02 8596 4450 F: 02 8596 4466 www.fairfaxdigital.com.au
Re: [WSG] Word documents saved as html and cleaned.
Hi Neerav, In fact much like my last reply to Jonothan I'd also considered doing that, with PHP 5 having the Tidy extension, as a future thing. Thanks, Nick Ive never tried it but AFAIK Tidy http://tidy.sourceforge.net/ can be used server side to clean up code on POST eg: http://infohound.net/tidy/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Unaccessible - NY Attorney General busts two big name sites
Yeah, but the Kiwis are not Australians, they are New Zealanders, so we have an excuse ;p That said, looking forward to the notes being available, impossible to get to Sydney to be at the real deal. On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:04:26 -0700, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted (from San Diego, those in Los Angeles treat us like Australians treat the kiwis. We just don't have a cute nickname.) Natalie -- Freelance Website Designer/Developer www.pixelkitty.net www.ausblog.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] NYTimes.com Article: Microsoft Quits a U.N. Standards Group
the issue of IP and standards is a tricky one. There are many standards bodies, the ones we know best are probably the W3C and the ISO. Oh - I can completely understand what you are saying regarding IP, John. Where I was coming from in regard to the article is the following two quotes. Two people who participate in the standards group said that several United States and European companies were concerned about intellectual property rights guidelines in effect within the group. The guidelines would force corporations who contribute technology to indemnify the United Nations against potential challenges involving intellectual property claims and (following straight on from the above quote) In May, at a meeting of the United Nations group, the general counsel for SAP, the German business software firm, announced that his company would suspend all participation in the organization until the intellectual property issues had been settled. My point was this. if Microsoft were the company mentioned in the original post as This company is really starting to scare me. then my question in asking Why? is quite valid in terms of singling out one company who has chosen to withdraw from the group because they are not happy with the arrangements. From that article it appears as though other members of the group are not happy with what is being proposed. In other words, I read the article as being more damning of the way the UN is conducting business rather than being damning of Microsoft. If I have got the wrong impression - then the press has (once again) succeeded in muddying waters that it really has no business playing around in. And if there are problems with a member company of a standards body making donations to that standards body, then how else do they get funding? In any case, it's just my opinion. Regards, Gary Menzel ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] [OT] NZ vs Aust
Natalie Yeah, but the Kiwis are not Australians, they are New Zealanders, so Natalie we have an excuse ;p ok, I know this is waaay off-topic, and I *do* promise no more posts on it, but trash talking is trash talking :) So, to use a couple of pertinent title tags from Natalie's site http://www.pixelkitty.net/ ... No, Kiwis are not Australians - Love it or Shove it and as for Australians .. hmmm ... - all talk, no walk springs to mind :) Mike Brown (ducking and running in NZ) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] [OT] NZ vs Aust
Hey Mike Going this far off topic on this list is a bannable offence - your only option now, if you wish to stay on this list, is to set up a WSG meeting in NZ. (Only kidding about the banning, but please give the meeting idea some thought.) -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] [OT] NZ vs Aust
Just because Kiwis aren't Australians, doesn't mean we don't try and claim them as our own.. *cough* Pharlap... Russel Crowe (heh, not that its worth bragging about) Scott - Original Message - From: Mike Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 2:31 PM Subject: [WSG] [OT] NZ vs Aust Natalie Yeah, but the Kiwis are not Australians, they are New Zealanders, so Natalie we have an excuse ;p ok, I know this is waaay off-topic, and I *do* promise no more posts on it, but trash talking is trash talking :) So, to use a couple of pertinent title tags from Natalie's site http://www.pixelkitty.net/ ... No, Kiwis are not Australians - Love it or Shove it and as for Australians .. hmmm ... - all talk, no walk springs to mind :) Mike Brown (ducking and running in NZ) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
