[WSG] Site review
Hi all, We have recently launched http://www.getawayafrica.com/, your comments are welcome. But would like to know more about if you have any problems with the site. Just a note, the client is still inputting content. Kind Regards Jacobus van Niekerk Creative Consultant web: http://www.catics.com/ | http://www.freelancecontractors.com tel: + 27 21 982 7805 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Auckland WSG?
Title: Auckland WSG? Hi Everyone, I'm moving to Auckland in June, and want to know if a WSG has kicked off there yet? I'd be interested in getting together with other webbys when I move there, away from my little home town in North Queensland. :( So whoever is from Auckland could you holler my way ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and I'll probably pick your brains about the job opportunities over there too. Cheers, Cara Williams =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= WEB OFFICER CQ TAFE Mackay Campus web www.cqtafe.com email [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (07) 4940 3206 fax (07) 4940 3355 This E-Mail is intended only for the addressee. Its use is limited to that intended by the author at the time and it is not to be distributed without the author's consent. Unless otherwise stated, the State of Queensland accepts no liability for the contents of this E-Mail except where subsequently confirmed in writing. The opinions expressed in this E-Mail are those of the author and do not necessarily represent the views of the State of Queensland. This E-Mail is confidential and may be subject to a claim of legal privilege. If you have received this E-Mail in error, please notify the author and delete this message immediately. !DEPTSTAMP1!
[WSG] Opinions about contact form please
Any opinions about my contact form at http://www.bhatt.id.au/contactus.php are appreciated AFAIK it displays fine in all browsers and even with css off -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site review
Looks nice, wish I could afford it :-) The only 2 small problems I see are caused by the standard text size being too small, so I choose medium size text (in Firefox 1.0 Win 2000 1024x768) and: 1. Making your African Dreams a Reality! is overlapped by Lodges Hotels 2. Terms Conditions and Office Information overlap each other -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Jacobus van Niekerk wrote: Hi all, We have recently launched http://www.getawayafrica.com/, your comments are welcome. But would like to know more about if you have any problems with the site. Just a note, the client is still inputting content. Kind Regards Jacobus van Niekerk Creative Consultant web: http://www.catics.com/ | http://www.freelancecontractors.com tel: + 27 21 982 7805 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Auckland WSG?
Williams, Cara wrote: Hi Everyone, So whoever is from Auckland could you holler my way ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and I'll probably pick your brains about the job opportunities over there too. Hi Cara, I know there are at least two of us - Peter Asquith and I are working on getting a meeting together but with both of us continually working it's taking a while longer than we'd hoped. You could always have a look at http://www.webdeveloper.co.nz/forum/ to chat with other local webbys. There are jobs posted there on and off, too. Auckland is in great need of more web standard focused webbys - we will welcome you with open arms :) Cheers Darren (on behalf of Auckland City) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Opinions about contact form please
On Firefox 1.0.2, WinXP, 1024x768 the sample article divs push the footer div down at normal font size. 2 sizes down and alignment is good but readability is gone. Regards Scott Swabey General Manager Lafinboy Productions :: website design :: website development :: graphic design e [EMAIL PROTECTED] t +61 (0)415 193 126 w www.lafinboy.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neerav Sent: Wednesday, 6 April 2005 4:40 PM To: WSG Subject: [WSG] Opinions about contact form please Any opinions about my contact form at http://www.bhatt.id.au/contactus.php are appreciated AFAIK it displays fine in all browsers and even with css off -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Site check - http://verkehrsanwaelte.de
Hi there. We have recently launched http://verkehrsanwaelte.de . I've tested in several pc - browsers and on mac in IE and Safari. The problem in both is the lack support of min-height. I need the #container div to stretch on short sites to the bottom of the browser window. Anybody got an idea, how to do this without extra markup? Thanks. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Site check - http://verkehrsanwaelte.de
What I normally do when I want to use min-height is use a css hack to set a height for IE only. IE will treat the height property in the same way as min-height was meant to work. But you have to hide the set height from the other browsers that support min-height. HTH -Original Message- From: Matthias Lotze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 6 April 2005 5:17 PM To: WSG Subject: [WSG] Site check - http://verkehrsanwaelte.de Hi there. We have recently launched http://verkehrsanwaelte.de . I've tested in several pc - browsers and on mac in IE and Safari. The problem in both is the lack support of min-height. I need the #container div to stretch on short sites to the bottom of the browser window. Anybody got an idea, how to do this without extra markup? Thanks. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Opinions about contact form please
Thanks Scott Its probably a symptom of the Sample Site and Sample Article being randomly selected from a number of different choices, each of which have different character lengths! Therefore I've increased the footers top padding a bit, and reduced the length of some of the longer Sample Site and Sample Article to make the display error much less likely to occur Neerav Scott Swabey (Lafinboy Productions) wrote: On Firefox 1.0.2, WinXP, 1024x768 the sample article divs push the footer div down at normal font size. 2 sizes down and alignment is good but readability is gone. Regards Scott Swabey General Manager Lafinboy Productions :: website design :: website development :: graphic design e [EMAIL PROTECTED] t +61 (0)415 193 126 w www.lafinboy.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neerav Sent: Wednesday, 6 April 2005 4:40 PM To: WSG Subject: [WSG] Opinions about contact form please Any opinions about my contact form at http://www.bhatt.id.au/contactus.php are appreciated AFAIK it displays fine in all browsers and even with css off ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site check - http://verkehrsanwaelte.de
You could use the IE hack: height: expression(window.height); or simply: height: expression(500px); only IE will execute that line :) it will not validate though. Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: What I normally do when I want to use min-height is use a css hack to set a height for IE only. IE will treat the height property in the same way as min-height was meant to work. But you have to hide the set height from the other browsers that support min-height. HTH -Original Message- From: Matthias Lotze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 6 April 2005 5:17 PM To: WSG Subject: [WSG] Site check - http://verkehrsanwaelte.de Hi there. We have recently launched http://verkehrsanwaelte.de . I've tested in several pc - browsers and on mac in IE and Safari. The problem in both is the lack support of min-height. I need the #container div to stretch on short sites to the bottom of the browser window. Anybody got an idea, how to do this without extra markup? Thanks. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neester.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site check - http://verkehrsanwaelte.de
What I normally do when I want to use min-height is use a css hack to set a height for IE only. IE will treat the height property in the same way as min-height was meant to work. But you have to hide the set height from the other browsers that support min-height. HTH If you look at the site, you will see that i have already done that. I was asking about a way to get IE on MAC and safari to work like firefox and co. Thanks anyway. -Original Message- From: Matthias Lotze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 6 April 2005 5:17 PM To: WSG Subject: [WSG] Site check - http://verkehrsanwaelte.de Hi there. We have recently launched http://verkehrsanwaelte.de . I've tested in several pc - browsers and on mac in IE and Safari. The problem in both is the lack support of min-height. I need the #container div to stretch on short sites to the bottom of the browser window. Anybody got an idea, how to do this without extra markup? Thanks. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site review
Great Site Everything works OK. regards --- Vision.To Design Femi Hasani www.vision.to [EMAIL PROTECTED] +46 736 009 555 Sweden / Suedi www.coder24.com www.wowdev.com --- - Original Message - From: Jacobus van Niekerk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 08:15 Subject: [WSG] Site review Hi all, We have recently launched http://www.getawayafrica.com/, your comments are welcome. But would like to know more about if you have any problems with the site. Just a note, the client is still inputting content. Kind Regards Jacobus van Niekerk Creative Consultant web: http://www.catics.com/ | http://www.freelancecontractors.com tel: + 27 21 982 7805 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site check - http://verkehrsanwaelte.de
Matthias Lotze schrieb: I've tested in several pc - browsers and on mac in IE and Safari. The Maybe these two articles provide you with the necessary solution: http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2004/09/16/minheight_fi/ http://www.greywyvern.com/code/min-height-hack.html -- Greetings from Germany, Jens Grochtdreis [www.grochtdreis.de] [blog.grochtdreis.de] [www.css-faq.de] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Son of Suckerfish and IE 6 (SP2)
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 01:03:20 +0100, info [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's also said that adding: -- saved from url=(0014)about:internet -- at the beginning of the file disables this behaviour. I think you meant: !-- saved from url=(0014)about:internet -- ^ it was missing the exclamation point. :D Yes, and put it after doctype to avoid quirksmode. http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/overview/motw.asp?frame=true -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] how to use external fonts with css?
I will wish to use external fonts (noncommon to pcs, obtained through server by the pagina Web) for my designs with css, somebody knows like doing it? Thanks.
Re: [WSG] how to use external fonts with css?
I looked into this once. It was a little over my head, but maybe it can help you - http://www.netmechanic.com/news/vol3/css_no15.htm --Zachary On Apr 6, 2005 10:31 AM, tomcask o_o [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will wish to use external fonts (noncommon to pcs, obtained through server by the pagina Web) for my designs with css, somebody knows like doing it? Thanks. -- == The best way to predict the future is to invent it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hopkinsprogramming.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Styling Forms
Hi
Here's my bit of advice.
It's very likely that you will add another form to a web site in the future.
For that reason, I'd remove the selectors and define a general form style,
then add only the particular styles for that particular form. Do you really
need to define your font families? Is the form using a different font family
and size from the rest of the site? Is it using a different color text than
the rest of the site?
form
{margin: 5% 0 2% 7.5%;}
fieldset
{border: 1px solid #090;
padding: 0 15px;}
legend
{font: bold 14px arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
color: #fff;
background: #009900;
border: 1px solid #ccc;
border-bottom-color: #666;
border-right-color: #666;
margin-bottom: 10px;
padding: 4px 8px;}
form p
{clear: left;
margin: 0;
padding: 5px 0 10px 0;
font-weight: bold;}
form p label
{float: left;
width: 30%;
font-weight: bold;}
.input
{background: #E8F2D7;}
.btn
{color: #fff;
background: #009900;
border: 1px solid #ccc;
border-bottom-color: #666;
border-right-color: #666;
margin-bottom: 5px;}
#contactform
{width: 645px;}
You will appreciate the generalized settings when you build the next form,
perhaps a feedback form and you don't have to do any extra work.
Ted
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Good evening mates,
First, thanks to all for the excellent advice and direction!
I was successful in creating a table less form, albeit simple, that
renders perfectly in IE6 (hard to believe), and damn good in FF1 and
Opera7.4.
If interested, the page is located at the following URL:
http://www.waltermortgage.com/contactus.stm
Both the XHTML (transitional) and CSS validate with no errors or warnings
found! This particular client who is extremely computer literate
completely embraced the conversion to a standards-based site, and I wanted
it right.
Although I've been designing for 7+ years and working with standards for
15 months I always consider my cup half-full therefore please do not
hesitate to let me know if I missed something.
Here's the CSS if interested:
#contactform
{width: 645px;
font: 12px verdana, helvetica, arial, sans-serif;
color: #000;
margin: 5% 0 2% 7.5%;}
#contactform fieldset
{border: 1px solid #090;
padding: 0 15px;}
#contactform legend
{font: bold 14px arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
color: #fff;
background: #009900;
border: 1px solid #ccc;
border-bottom-color: #666;
border-right-color: #666;
margin-bottom: 10px;
padding: 4px 8px;}
#contactform p
{clear: left;
margin: 0;
padding: 5px 0 10px 0;
font-weight: bold;}
#contactform p label
{float: left;
width: 30%;
font-weight: bold;}
.input
{background: #E8F2D7;}
.btn
{color: #fff;
background: #009900;
border: 1px solid #ccc;
border-bottom-color: #666;
border-right-color: #666;
margin-bottom: 5px;}
Very appreciatively yours,
Mario
G'day folks
Firstly, apologies to Chris for not noticing that he'd already referred
Mario to Cameron's article
Secondly, Drew's points:
It may make styling easier but incorporating form controls in labels
has a
different meaning than associating a label and a form control. For
one thing, it isn't usable for those choosing a table layout for
forms.
Nor is
it possible to use an incorporated form control with multiple labels.
Both very good points. Obviously incorporating form controls and labels
wouldn't make sense for a typical tabular form layout. On the other
hand, I don't know why you'd want to use tables for layout when you
could style the elements themselves
I guess there could be some cases where you NEED multiple inputs to be
associated with each other as tabular data - perhaps an editable data
grid or the like? In which case, not being able to assign multiple
labels to each input would also be an issue
I don't see standard web forms (ie detail-gathering for shopping,
membership registration, feedback etc) as requiring a table structure.
Those sort of forms inevitably have simpler internal relationships
Back to the multiple labels: Again, there are definitely scenarios (such
as the one above) where they could be put to good use. However, I've
never actually done it. Every time I've come across a potential use for
multiple labels, I've realised that my form simply needs better
specification
Obviously all of the above is completely subjective. Maybe I'm the only
one who has never needed to do either of the things Drew mentioned. As
he said:
Use what you want, but use it correctly.
For my money, incorporating form controls inside labels is my default
construction for form HTML. Occasionally, I've needed to consider other
options, but each time some creative CSS has produced the required
layout and saved me changing the HTML
Oh, and I still use the FOR attribute, regardless of
Re: [WSG] how to use external fonts with css?
It hurts, i thought that not i have so many problems ;( ;( thanks Hopkins Programming wrote: I looked into this once. It was a little over my head, but maybe it can help you - http://www.netmechanic.com/news/vol3/css_no15.htm --Zachary On Apr 6, 2005 10:31 AM, tomcask o_o [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will wish to use external fonts (noncommon to pcs, obtained through server by the pagina Web) for my designs with css, somebody knows like doing it? Thanks.
RE: [WSG] Opinions about contact form please
The colour contrast for the active input field (i.e. black on red) is low and therefore difficult to read. Maybe white on red or black on a much lighter bgd colour. Also a single h2 in the page. If only one heading is used then it should be h1. Regards, Rob Robert Reed http://www.sitestart.co.uk thanks for your comments Cade I've fixed the spacing and capitalisation and tried to make the colour scheme as you suggested. what do you think now? -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Cade Whitbourn wrote: There's a couple of spelling and punctuation mistakes - Phonenumber - needs a space between words Where you Heard - lowercase 'H' ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] How exactly can I get pixel perfect in IE?
Instead of this: ul liitem/li liitem/li liitem/li /ul try this: ul liitem/li liitem/li liitem/li /ul This markup style leaves one list item per row to ease human readability, but effectively eliminates all white-space. Paul Ah well of course. I remember reading this in More on Eric Meyer CSS many months ago. It fixed now. THANKS. http://www.lotusseeds.com/tryagain_michael.html However it goes back to square after I insert span.../span to hide the text, per Alan' reminder. I will explain more later... Cheers, tee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] ID conflicts - span matters
Maybe you've already thought of this, but the list is useless without
css support. I'd suggest putting spanlist item name/span in the list
items and then do something like
|li a span {display:none}|
Thanks for the reminder. I did not think about this at all.
In IE, this doesn't seem to be a simple task. Just as I eliminated unwanted
white space between li, inserting span creates more 2 or 3 pixel more
space. Everything back to square.
.li a span {display:none} doesn't work in IE. It has to be in the unique ID.
For example:
The first button link:
#siteOption #homeLink {
background: url(images/bigmenu/big5_home.jpg) no-repeat;
height: 28px; width: 150px;
}
And the span has to be here so that it work in IE but creates 2 pixel white
space.
#siteOption #homeLink span {display: none; }
You can see from here. The first two buttons are span enable, the rest are
not.
http://www.lotusseeds.com/big5.htm
I tried putting span in #siteOption, #siteOption li, #siteOption li a,
#siteOption ul and #linkList (this div here acted as wrapper for my menu,
with background image)-. All these work in other browsers but IE, it either
work but mess up menu position or simple won't work.
I need to get my site up and going. Guess this problem will have to wait
until I get two deadlines done :( At the meanwhile, it will have to be no
span.
Tee
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Re: [WSG] help with css round corners.
Hi everyone, I got this cool roundbox code from http://www.redmelon.net/tstme/4corners and am trying to adapt it for use in a more complex wrapper with a masthead, body and footer...But im havin a proble with one of the side drop shadows. check out the page at http://mcmonagle.biz/SHADOW/ Hi Kevin, I found this nifty corners the other day. Never try it though as I am not a Java Script fan. It seems simple though. http://pro.html.it/esempio/nifty/ tee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] help with css round corners.
Hi Tee, I saw the imageless example to, but it dosn't work in ie5 mac. Even though some people don't develop for this browser anymore i still use it somethimes. Also the roundbox im working on has a drop shadow on either side. thank you -Kevin Hi Kevin, I found this nifty corners the other day. Never try it though as I am not a Java Script fan. It seems simple though. http://pro.html.it/esempio/nifty/ tee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] help with css round corners.
and am trying to adapt it for use in a more complex wrapper with a masthead I know I'm not answering directly to your problem, but take a look at ALA: Mountaintop Corners http://alistapart.com/articles/mountaintop/ ALA: CSS Design: Creating Custom Corners Borders http://alistapart.com/articles/customcorners/ ALA: CSS Design: Creating Custom Corners Borders Part II http://alistapart.com/articles/customcorners2/ -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] ID conflicts - span matters
tee wrote:
For example:
The first button link:
#siteOption #homeLink {
background: url(images/bigmenu/big5_home.jpg) no-repeat;
height: 28px; width: 150px;
}
And the span has to be here so that it work in IE but creates 2 pixel white
space.
#siteOption #homeLink span {display: none; }
For what it is worth, this is not a very accessible method of image
replacement. From what I've gathered, most screen readers ignore text
that is styled with display: none;, so it kind of defeats the purpose.
You might want to take a look at http://tinyurl.com/3ksj9 (Malarkey) for
a more useful method that works well with lists. I've been using
basically the same method for some time, but Andy has also added a fix
for IE Mac that I never considered.
This won't solve any images off / CSS on issues, but it really
simplifies the IR method while keeping your markup relatively semantic.
--
Best regards,
Michael Wilson
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[WSG] margin:auto not working on MAC
Title: Message Hi, Have a page that seems to be lining up fine everywhere I am checking( Opera, Firefox, IE ), validates fine but is a little off on a MAC, seems like a margin is pushing the grey box in the middle, towards the right. Sorry no screenshot but the page is http://www.kinggeorgev.ca/test_1.php.. Any help is greatly appreciated. Paul
[WSG] Access Key question
I'd read a couple of blogs regarding the access keys, although opinion are spitted, I decided to implement access keys on my sites. While fixing my sites in different languages, I realized I cannot use the same access keys for both, say Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese, and here a disturbing question emerges. We can only use 26 alphabet + 0 to 9 digit right? In this case there are only 36 access keys we can use. How can one solves this dilemma if a site involve with more than 36 pages? tee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Access Key question
tee wrote: I'd read a couple of blogs regarding the access keys, although opinion are spitted, I decided to implement access keys on my sites. While fixing my sites in different languages, I realized I cannot use the same access keys for both, say Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese, and here a disturbing question emerges. We can only use 26 alphabet + 0 to 9 digit right? No, unfortunately. In most Windows based browsers (well, all except for Opera) accesskeys are enabled via ALT. This conflicts with keyboard shortcuts for menu items, or even assistive technology such as JAWS. As different language versions use different shortcuts, it's safe to say that you shouldn't use any letters. This leaves the number keys (although apparently the latest versions of JAWS also use ALT + 1 for certain functionality). In this case there are only 36 access keys we can use. How can one solves this dilemma if a site involve with more than 36 pages? Accesskeys are meant to be shortcuts on your pages. Shortcuts are only effective if they can easily be memorised. It's disingenious to have a key for each one of your pages. Implement a minimal set of accesskeys for key pages (home, site help, search) or features (skip to content, submit form), nothing more. -- Patrick H. Lauke _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Access Key question
Access keys are troublesome. If you use them, and I think they can be very helpful, you should limit them to the most important, most requested pages, and not every page on the site. There have been many conversations about access keys on this list, you may want to look through the archives for some interesting debates. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tee Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:36 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Access Key question I'd read a couple of blogs regarding the access keys, although opinion are spitted, I decided to implement access keys on my sites. While fixing my sites in different languages, I realized I cannot use the same access keys for both, say Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese, and here a disturbing question emerges. We can only use 26 alphabet + 0 to 9 digit right? In this case there are only 36 access keys we can use. How can one solves this dilemma if a site involve with more than 36 pages? tee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Access Key question
Hi Tee, I don't think you should use access keys for all pages. Only the most important pages as sitemaps, search etc. Kim ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Access Key question
tee wrote: In this case there are only 36 access keys we can use. How can one solves this dilemma if a site involve with more than 36 pages? It might be enough to use accesskeys on your main navigation (home,about etc). I've not seen your page, so I don't know if the MainNav includes more than 36 pages. -- Lennart Fylling http://lennart-fylling.com Norway -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 01.04.2005 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Access Key question
tee wrote: I'd read a couple of blogs regarding the access keys, although opinion are spitted, I decided to implement access keys on my sites. While fixing my sites in different languages, I realized I cannot use the same access keys for both, say Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese, and here a disturbing question emerges. We can only use 26 alphabet + 0 to 9 digit right? In this case there are only 36 access keys we can use. How can one solves this dilemma if a site involve with more than 36 pages? tee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** . How long is your access key? If the access key is only one letter long then there are only 36 possible keys, if it is two letters long there are 36*36 = 1296 possible keys, if three letter 36*36*36 = 46656 possible keys, etc. Carl. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Access Key question
Good evening tee, It was foretold that on 6-4-2005 @ 12:35:59 GMT-0700 (which was 21:35:59 where I live) tee would write: snipped a bit t I'd read a couple of blogs regarding the access keys, although opinion are t spitted, I decided to implement access keys on my sites. Maybe you should reconsider: http://www.wats.ca/articles/thefutureofaccesskeys/66 http://www.wats.ca/articles/accesskeyconflicts/37 http://www.wats.ca/articles/accesskeys/19 -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Need a website? http://www.w-orx.com Powered by The Bat! version 3.0.1.33 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Abraham Lincoln ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Access Key question
Carl Reynolds wrote: tee wrote: I'd read a couple of blogs regarding the access keys, although opinion are spitted, I decided to implement access keys on my sites. While fixing my sites in different languages, I realized I cannot use the same access keys for both, say Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese, and here a disturbing question emerges. We can only use 26 alphabet + 0 to 9 digit right? In this case there are only 36 access keys we can use. How can one solves this dilemma if a site involve with more than 36 pages? tee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** . How long is your access key? If the access key is only one letter long then there are only 36 possible keys, if it is two letters long there are 36*36 = 1296 possible keys, if three letter 36*36*36 = 46656 possible keys, etc. Carl. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Never mind! I was thinking about something entirely different. :-[ Carl. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Access Key question
Carl Reynolds wrote: How long is your access key? If the access key is only one letter long then there are only 36 possible keys, if it is two letters long there are 36*36 = 1296 possible keys, if three letter 36*36*36 = 46656 possible keys, etc. Carl. Fun, fun, I doubt anyone wants to mash ALT-1Z7... etc. .pjf -- Peter J. Farrell :: Maestro Publishing blog:: http://blog.maestropublishing.com email :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone :: 651-204-0513 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Access Key question
Carl Reynolds wrote: How long is your access key? If the access key is only one letter long then there are only 36 possible keys, if it is two letters long there are 36*36 = 1296 possible keys, if three letter 36*36*36 = 46656 possible keys, etc. Carl. Fun, fun, I doubt anyone want to mash ALT-1Z7... etc. .pjf -- Peter J. Farrell :: Maestro Publishing blog:: http://blog.maestropublishing.com email :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone :: 651-204-0513 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Access Key question
Carl Reynolds wrote: How long is your access key? If the access key is only one letter long then there are only 36 possible keys, if it is two letters long there are 36*36 = 1296 possible keys, if three letter 36*36*36 = 46656 possible keys, etc. You can't have multi-letter accesskeys... -- Patrick H. Lauke _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] margin:auto not working on MAC
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:23:50 +0100, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Have a page that seems to be lining up fine everywhere I am checking ( Opera, Firefox, IE ), validates fine but is a little off on a MAC, And PC displays fine? That must be endian-related problem ;) -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] margin:auto not working on MAC
On 7 Apr 2005, at 4:23 AM, Paul wrote:
Hi, Have a page that seems to be lining up fine everywhere I am
checking ( Opera, Firefox, IE ), validates fine but is a little off on
a MAC, seems like a margin is pushing the grey box in the middle,
towards the right. Sorry no screenshot but the page is
http://www.kinggeorgev.ca/test_1.php .. Any help is greatly
appreciated.
Paul
Doubt that this page validates... amazed if it does.
- DOCTYPE is incomplete
- No body tag in code
Guess that shows to go yer how tolerant 4.01 Transitional is...
Other errors (well, less than ideal coding practices) include:
- use of tables for layout
- use of span class='heading' - that's what h1, h2 etc is for
- use of image for background of content_table - layout breaks on text
zoom because image is fixed size. Style table (or preferably div) with
css.
- inconsistencies in the css - eg { border: none 1px;} - which is it?
- use of {position: relative} - why?
- use of underscores in id and class names - will give problems in some
browsers
- #main_table {height: 100%; height: 13px;} - which is it?
- use of px for font size - ems is better
Oh, and the specific problem you asked about:
It's not 'on a Mac', it's 'in IE5 on a Mac'. Safari renders your page
fine. Anyway, fix the above first, and then see if the problem persists
- but I suspect it's IE5's disliking of shorthand css. Try
{margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;} instead of {margin: auto;}.
HTH
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Re: [WSG] Site check - http://verkehrsanwaelte.de
I'd add http://annevankesteren.nl/archives/2004/04/min-height-in-safari -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Access Key question
tee wrote: In this case there are only 36 access keys we can use. How can one solves this dilemma if a site involve with more than 36 pages? It might be enough to use accesskeys on your main navigation (home,about etc). My site is fine. I don't need 36 access keys :) It has three versions : English, Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese. Each language has 8 menu but I use same access key for index.htm page which is the English page. I think it maybe too confusing and troublesome for people. I am thinking perhaps having two separate sub domains for chinese pages will allow me to have same access key for 3 versions within the site. I've not seen your page, so I don't know if the MainNav includes more than 36 pages. It's just something I thought I better know now than later in case a potential client wants every page to have access key. Regards, Tee lotusseeds.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Access Key question
Thanks for the links, Luc. I sure will read them. By the way, are you the same Luc I recently known? How do you pronounce your name if I may ask. tee Good evening tee, It was foretold that on 6-4-2005 @ 12:35:59 GMT-0700 (which was 21:35:59 where I live) tee would write: snipped a bit t I'd read a couple of blogs regarding the access keys, although opinion are t spitted, I decided to implement access keys on my sites. Maybe you should reconsider: http://www.wats.ca/articles/thefutureofaccesskeys/66 http://www.wats.ca/articles/accesskeyconflicts/37 http://www.wats.ca/articles/accesskeys/19 -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Need a website? http://www.w-orx.com Powered by The Bat! version 3.0.1.33 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Abraham Lincoln ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Access Key question
Hello tee, It was foretold that on 7-4-2005 @ 16:50:48 GMT-0700 (which was 1:50:48 where I live) tee would write: snipped a bit t By the way, are you the same Luc I recently known? Yes, the one and only ;-) t How do you pronounce your name if I may ask. For native english speakers it's hard to pronounce. The closest is Luke. -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Need a website? http://www.w-orx.com Powered by The Bat! version 3.0.1.33 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary. - Donald Kendall ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Fwd: Brisbane WSG Meeting Notice
The next meeting for the Brisbane WSG Group is Tuesday, April 12. Thats next week! Anyone in Brisbane who hasn't already received a notice, please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are planning to attend we'd once again like an RSVP so we can do the catering. Venue: This month we are trialing the Library at Central City Plaza on George st. Enter from Ann st and our rooms are just to the left of the door as you enter. Whereis map at: http://tinyurl.com/67kdy Planned Agenda: 6:30pm - Informal start/Networking 7:00pm - Official start This month's presentation: Tony Aslett returns to present Dynamic Styles or Modifying Styles with the DOM 8:00pm (approx) Open discussion of issues of interest to attendees. As usual, we're asking for a $5 contribution to cover the catering, and are hoping the refreshments will be tempting. :) Details for this meeting are found at http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/event32.cfm WSG Meetings are summarised at http://webstandardsgroup.org/meetings/ if you would like a permanent bookmark. If you have problems finding the venue on the night you can ring Lea on 0411 444 792. If you are in Brisbane - see you there! Lea de Groot ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
