Re: [WSG] Brisbane, last night
Lea de Groot wrote: Last night's Brisbane meeting was a roaring success. Our new venue at the Library was great, with the only downside being no internet connection. It seems Brisbane's standard is the leading edge - an interstate visitor tells us we are far ahead of Melbourne in catering. Better pick up the slack, guys ;) We'll take that challenge. There has a been a bit of a hiatus, but Melbourne is back as good as ever. Our new venue at IBM Tower looks to be excellent. The only issue being that we're not allowed to eat and drink in there. We plan to circumvent this by inviting everyone to the pub both before AND after Cameron's excellent presentation So, Matt and I hope to see a bunch of Melbournites - and anyone else who happens to be in the area on May 5 - on the doorstep, lured by the promise of booze and geekery in glorious combination (booze optional) Lachlan ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] 309 Validation errors - Reliance Petroleum
On 4/16/05, Steven Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other most noticable thing off the bat was the drop down menu and top nav disappears entirely with JavaScript disabled. Companies often don't care about accessibility... regardless of whether they should or not (obviously we all think they should)... but I wonder what the person responsible for picking a web designer would think if you told them them that Google can only see about five pages of that site? -- Kay Smoljak http://kay.smoljak.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Adobe Buys Macromedia
Oh - my - insert deity here. http://www.markme.com/mesh/archives/007504.cfm http://www.markme.com/mesh/archives/007504.cfm http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invrelations/adobeandmacromedia.html http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invrelations/adobeandmacromedia.html Where do things go from here for standards aware tools? Do we have to brow beat Adobe into listening to its user base? Who knows. Interesting scary times ahead. Brendan winmail.dat
RE: [WSG] Adobe Buys Macromedia
From: Brendan Smith http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invrelations/adobeandmacromedia.html Holy smokes...had to double check the date to make sure it wasn't 1st April. Where do things go from here for standards aware tools? They'd be fools to reverse the positive steps in that direction made by Macromedia in the past. If not, this may be the time for WaSP and W3C to fire up their engines again and launch a pre-emptive strike on Adobe. Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Adobe Buys Macromedia
Mind boggling, to say the least. Maybe the next big graphic design program will be Fireshop, or Photoworks? -- Johnno Shadbolt Web Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED], www.code215.com It is easy to make a website that any computer likes. It is hard to make a website that any user likes. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility
InfoForce Services (Angus MacKinnon) wrote: This brings up a question. How effective are Skip navigation links? I have heard that half the people do not understand what skip navigation links are. I design web sites to get to the main content or with very few links until the main content. I'm in line with your approach. Main content should ideally come first on a web page, although that's not always easy to perfect. When asking my sight-impaired / blind friends in Norway about such things, they tend to say: Don't fix everything for us. We know how to get around, and prefer our own solutions. 'Content first' helps, but that's about it. Cut out the noise and remove all barriers. My own very unscientific research says that 4 out of 10 do not understand internal links in a web page, so they just tab past them. Skip Nav comes in that category, and no international standards and sketchy implementation doesn't help much here. Some standards incorporated as link-relations handled by the browsers are needed, or else all well-intended use of skip links in web pages becomes just some more smart but not very useful noise. Myself: My eyes are not young anymore, so I blow up all the tiny text around - often using Opera's Zoom. Skip Links are rarely needed, and they tend to become part of the noise. Some of the latest pop up when hovered *Skip Nav* links are disturbing to the point that I tend to skip those sites altogether. An alternative that works well is to enter such helpful sites in Opera's SSR-mode, and blow them up 400%. That works really well since so few sites are styled for handheld yet. Besides, I can just dump their CSS anyway and apply my own. No Skip Anything that can be avoided, is my approach. Look one more time at the design-method instead. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Adobe Buys Macromedia
On 4/18/05, Johnno Shadbolt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mind boggling, to say the least. Maybe the next big graphic design program will be Fireshop, or Photoworks? Wow. Like Patrick, I had to check that it wasn't a belated April Fools thing. Holy cow. I totally didn't see that one coming. I'll be happy so long as they don't ditch Fireworks entirely. I like Fireworks and I like Photoshop, but for entirely different things. I'd be really gutted if they merge the two or abandon Fireworks. pix http://www.pixeldiva.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] multiple columns and 100% height
No, that's not it. Now I'm totally dying because I can't find it. Some guy had figured out, and I believe had tested a way to audtomatically keep column heights at equal heights to each other. No javascript and it didn't even appear to be a hack. He made some comment that he stared at his monitor in disbelief because it worked. Then he told some colleagues and everybody was mystified by the utter simplictiy of the method. I'm not joking...but it might not have been widely tested (I can't remember this part). Guess I should start keeping a history of every site I visit in the browser from now on...darn. On Apr 18, 2005, at 10:30 AM, Carlos Rincon Sanchez wrote: maybe this can help you http://www.neuroticweb.com/recursos/3-columns-layout/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Adobe Buys Macromedia
pixeldiva I'll be happy so long as they don't ditch Fireworks entirely. I like Fireworks and I like Photoshop, but for entirely different things. If I can hazard a prediction, they'll obviously keep Photoshop and merge the functionality of Fireworks into ImageReady. Hopefully they'll drop the fairly horrid GoLive, as I think it's unlikely they'll kill of Dreamweaver. One development I'd love to see: keep Flash, but stick the LiveMotion user interface and After Effects timeline paradigm on top of it. Personally, I found LiveMotion *a lot* more intuitive to use than Flash's UI, and was fairly cheesed off when Adobe unceremoniously dropped it. Oh, and sorry...this is fairly off topic. Apologies... Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Adobe Buys Macromedia [CLOSED and Moved to Blog]
Oh, and sorry...this is fairly off topic. Apologies... Patrick Yes I was thinking the same. Very interesting news with on-topic repercussions down the track but not really a valid discussion point here and now. However, I have set up a page in the WSG Blog for this discussion... http://discuss.webstandardsgroup.org/archives/20.htm P ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] multiple columns and 100% height
Vaska.Wsg wrote: A short while ago somebody wrote an article about achieving 100% height divs when using multiple columns. Their solution was something really simple but for the life of me I can't remember the trick - it was some kind of one line rule...height: ???. But I'm not sure. You don't mean the 'overflow:auto' float-clearing posting at Sitepoint's Web Design blog (http://www.sitepoint.com/blog-post-view?id=238086)? (a bit more at http://www.quirksmode.org/css/clearing.html Stuart -- === El Bombin http://elbombin.stuarthomfray.co.uk Stuart Homfray http://www.stuarthomfray.co.uk === ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Awards / Endorsements for quality websites?
Hi, Siggy I know this site : http://cssvault.com/. It is a very good collection of GOOD CSS layout and design. Cheers Angela -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] la part de Sigurd Magnusson Envoyé : lundi 18 avril 2005 01:18 À : wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Objet : [WSG] Awards / Endorsements for quality websites? I was wondering if anyone knew of a popular sites to promote semanitc or compliant (or good in general) websites? Furthermore, if there was a site or an award that would be considered quite an achievement or endorsement for your work? I have submitted several items to www.w3cSites.com, however despite the fact that one of our submissions (our creativehq website) has been hand-picked to be featured on its homepage and therefore giving us alot of traffic, it seems that in general that sites submitted to w3csites are uninspiring--too much focus seems to go on design, rather than the coding, and very few items seem to be a truely commercial nature; I would suggest that the wirelessdataforum.org.nz website I mentioned a few weeks back is much more worthy that the creative-hq site which won, for example. (BTW, thanks to every one who commented on the wirelessforum site, much of your feedback is either now done, or before queued up to done over the forthcoming week.). Siggy ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] multiple columns and 100% height
One of the recent suggestions on balancing columns without javascript was to put a tiny graphic in the columns set at the appropriate repeat. From Vaska.WSG, we have: Digging around in there I don't think I see the article I was originally looking for, but this seems to be the same thing (overflow: auto;). It's not exactly as I remembered it either, but that's a different subject (my poor memory)... Thanks Stuart On Apr 18, 2005, at 1:40 PM, Stuart Homfray wrote: Vaska.Wsg wrote: A short while ago somebody wrote an article about achieving 100% height divs when using multiple columns. Their solution was something really simple but for the life of me I can't remember the trick - it was some kind of one line rule...height: ???. But I'm not sure. You don't mean the 'overflow:auto' float-clearing posting at Sitepoint's Web Design blog (http://www.sitepoint.com/blog-post-view?id=238086)? (a bit more at http://www.quirksmode.org/css/clearing.html Stuart ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- :: Helen Glenn Court :: editor | designer :: www.formandsubstance.com :: 301.562.6995 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Awards / Endorsements for quality websites?
Hello Siggy, I know about these 2 other websites: http://www.webstandardsawards.com/ http://www.stylegala.com/ Hugues Brunelle Concepteur graphique // ECHO tridimension 2139 rue Masson Montréal QC H2H 1A8 1-(514)5211360 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] multiple columns and 100% height
Helen Court | Formandsubstance wrote: One of the recent suggestions on balancing columns without javascript was to put a tiny graphic in the columns set at the appropriate repeat. Well, I asked on here about something I was working on, early on Saturday morning (see http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg%40webstandardsgroup.org/msg16444.html ) if that's of any use... :) cheers, Stuart ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] multiple columns and 100% height
Some of my 100% column bookmarks: http://www.pixy.cz/blogg/clanky/css-3col-layout/ http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/challenge/3cols/?add=right http://www.redmelon.net/tstme/3cols2/ http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=AnyColumnLongest hope you find something there :) cheers kemie ...:| kemie |:... .:| www.monolinea.com |:.
Re: [WSG] device independence
Actually i don't know any specific pitfalls to build web site for cell phone, in this case i build a specific CSS that disable image and positioning attribute. I also specify the text size in Em (that wold be a reasonable mannet to adapt text to screen size). Surely, now cell-phone are interesting device to use for view web pages, but i think that we have to wait a pair of year until this medium will explode in this sense. In order to develop a web site for cell phone i think that the best solution is write a standard compliant Css/XHTML code and trytest it extensively the device indipendence is actually possible, even if you consider flash. last Saturday i went to a press conference were has been presentef the last version of www.fotografiafestival.it, the official site of the international photo festiva in Rome(Italy). I know personally the developer and i can assure that they have made a great work to bouid a flash site that display accessible (triple A conformance), cross-browser and device indipendent. If you want you can surf into fotografiafestival also with your cell phone. i don't know exactily the hacks that they have used to do so, but as i can understand, the real problem to solve regard the plugin detection. thanks to a well formed javascript they are able to build a site compeletely accessible and browser indipendent. (and we speak about a site on photo and image builded in flash). Take a look and try it with different browser (also a screen reader). www.fotografiafestival.it On 4/16/05, Kvnmcwebn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am only now starting to think about cell phones as a valid medium for veiwing web pages. What are some common pitfalls of building websites with regards to device independence-especially when considering flash? If any meadia in your xhtml doc will degrade to basic html/css sans plug ins are we safe enough? Thanks -Kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Awards / Endorsements for quality websites?
Hello Sigurd,Web awards, you said?Some are the kind you're looking for, promoting to a certain extent,standards compliance and accessibility.That may require you some prospection, Google search for "awards for sites"should also provide you some links... the first one is my own.You can also start, for instance, at:http://www.awardsites.comhttp://www.website-awards.nethttp://www.websawards.orgThere's even a book about the subject:http://www.bton.com/glory/index.html... and an ODP (and Google of course) category about it, Web Awards:http://dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/On_the_Web/Best_of_the_Web/Site_Awards/My best,Carlos- Original Message -De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] lapart de Sigurd MagnussonEnvoyé : lundi 18 avril 2005 01:18À : wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgObjet : [WSG] Awards / Endorsements for quality websites?I was wondering if anyone knew of a popular sites to promote semanitc orcompliant (or "good" in general) websites?Furthermore, if there was a site or an award that would be consideredquite an achievement or endorsement for your work?
Re: [WSG] validation errors
Hi Helen, In the link for the consumer's association change the ampersand to the html entity for ampersand (amp;) and try validation again. The validator is trying to identify a system identifier 'catId...' and because it hasn't been terminated with a semicolon, it generates all those other errors. just like this. http://www.choice.com.au/defaultView.aspx?id=102314amp;catId=100165 Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I have a page in the site I am working on (http://learnline.cdu.edu.au/wip/sbi240/module3/agriculture.html) that won't validate because of an external link I have to the Australian Consumers' Association - http://www.choice.com.au/defaultView.aspx?id=102314catId=100165 I'm getting these sorts of errors Line 298, column 70: cannot generate system identifier for general entity catId Line 298, column 70: general entity catId not defined and no default entity Line 298, column 75: reference not terminated by REFC delimiter Line 298, column 75: reference to external entity in attribute value Is there any way to get the page to validate? Any help is much appreciated. Thank you Helen *** Helen Rysavy Web Designer, Teaching Learning Development Charles Darwin University, Northern Territory 0909 Tel: 8946 7779 Mobile: 0403 290 842 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cdu.edu.au CRICOS Provider No: 00300K *** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] UTF-8 (was: Quirks mode vs Standards mode)
HTMLTidy is the only useful piece of software I've found for web page development, and I use it to clean up my pages and get proper encoding of my Norwenglish lines of text into numeric entities (UTF-8) where needed. What characters needs encoding into numeric entities when using UTF-8? I try to avoid entities with exception for ' /anders (Sweden) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] UTF-8 (was: Quirks mode vs Standards mode)
Just curious what tidy parameters you are using. I have some European (Polish, Czech, Russian) language sites I'm working on and would prefer to convert the UTF-8 to some numeric equal for certain high-range letters. Paul --- Anders Nawroth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HTMLTidy is the only useful piece of software I've found for web page development, and I use it to clean up my pages and get proper encoding of my Norwenglish lines of text into numeric entities (UTF-8) where needed. What characters needs encoding into numeric entities when using UTF-8? I try to avoid entities with exception for ' /anders (Sweden) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] UTF-8 (was: Quirks mode vs Standards mode)
On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 18:10:44 +0100, Paul Menard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious what tidy parameters you are using. I have some European (Polish, Czech, Russian) language sites I'm working on and would prefer to convert the UTF-8 to some numeric equal for certain high-range letters. I couldn't get Tidy to properly transcode non-latin1 encodings and I use it with -raw option that at least prevents it from ruining documents. Conversion is as easy as copypaste - get text displayed properly, copy it and paste into UTF-capable editor. -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] UTF-8
I have [...] Czech, [...] sites I'm working on and would prefer to convert the UTF-8 to some numeric equal for certain high-range letters. Well, I'd suggest you not to do this, as nobody here would do it this way :) However it'd make the maintenance easier for non-CZ/PL person. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] UTF-8
Anders Nawroth wrote: What characters needs encoding into numeric entities when using UTF-8? I try to avoid entities with exception for ' Look for some answers here: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html ...so I don't have to give incomplete answers about something I'm not an expert on. - My own reasoning is this: I observed that text on my pages became too dependent on browsers encode-settings, or their ability to auto-detect. Introducing entities made the end-result much more predictable, and I haven't encountered a single problem so far (after 2 years). Maybe others have, but they haven't told me. I write all (Norwegian) 8bit characters as plain text, characters above as numeric entities, and leave the rest to Tidy. What I get is Latin-1 (ISO-8859-1) with a mixture of decimal and character entities, which is equivalent to UTF-8 for my characters as far as I know. Most ASCII-characters are left as they are, but æ, ø, å are converted. I don't really know what Tidy will do when fed 8bits code from other language-maps, but the few times I've copied a character from a language outside my own 8bit maps and left it to Tidy, it has rendered correctly in my browsers. It looks like a mess if I don't convert it this way. - Someone asked what parameters I use... My Tidy has this script for convert to xml: --- quote-marks: true uppercase-tags: false fix-backslash: false literal-attributes: true numeric-entities: true output-xml: true --- That's as much information as I can offer. Maybe someone can add some more. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Print Style Fails
Hi, The following: ((http://www.ckimedia.com/c/print.css)) works when tested locally in firefox 1.0 on mac os 10.2.8, but when uploaded to the server it fails. What did I goof? CK __ Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do. ---Bruce Lee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] device independence
You say try test extensively... but from what I've seen there is SO much variation between rendering on different cell phone and PDA's. And I don't know about the rest of the world, but in NZ it is VERY expensive to use the browsing on the cell phone. Is there a web site or an accurate way of 'testing' websites on PDA's and cell phones if you don't have access to them? The only testing websites I've found did a really really bad job of showing you what it would look like and was a waste of time? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alessandro Calleri Sent: Tuesday, 19 April 2005 1:31 a.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] device independence Actually i don't know any specific pitfalls to build web site for cell phone, in this case i build a specific CSS that disable image and positioning attribute. I also specify the text size in Em (that wold be a reasonable mannet to adapt text to screen size). Surely, now cell-phone are interesting device to use for view web pages, but i think that we have to wait a pair of year until this medium will explode in this sense. In order to develop a web site for cell phone i think that the best solution is write a standard compliant Css/XHTML code and trytest it extensively the device indipendence is actually possible, even if you consider flash. last Saturday i went to a press conference were has been presentef the last version of www.fotografiafestival.it, the official site of the international photo festiva in Rome(Italy). I know personally the developer and i can assure that they have made a great work to bouid a flash site that display accessible (triple A conformance), cross-browser and device indipendent. If you want you can surf into fotografiafestival also with your cell phone. i don't know exactily the hacks that they have used to do so, but as i can understand, the real problem to solve regard the plugin detection. thanks to a well formed javascript they are able to build a site compeletely accessible and browser indipendent. (and we speak about a site on photo and image builded in flash). Take a look and try it with different browser (also a screen reader). www.fotografiafestival.it On 4/16/05, Kvnmcwebn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am only now starting to think about cell phones as a valid medium for veiwing web pages. What are some common pitfalls of building websites with regards to device independence-especially when considering flash? If any meadia in your xhtml doc will degrade to basic html/css sans plug ins are we safe enough? Thanks -Kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Print Style Fails[FIXED IT]
Hi, Solved it, a typo. On Monday, April 18, 2005, at 02:36 PM, Chris Kennon wrote: Hi, The following: ((http://www.ckimedia.com/c/print.css)) works when tested locally in firefox 1.0 on mac os 10.2.8, but when uploaded to the server it fails. What did I goof? CK __ Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do. ---Bruce Lee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** The true measure of ignorance is thinking intelligence is the solution to everything. -ck Chris Kennon Principal ckimedia (www.ckimedia.com) e-mail: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) blog: (http://thebardwire.ckimedia.com/) ph: (619)429-3258 fax: (619)429-3258 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Print Style Fails
Dunno if you already fixed this but I would try: Change media for print.css to screen see if its still no show. Try not using @import for it? Or possibly, ref the @import css files from root - eg /c/print.css, not c/print.css Cheers :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Kennon Sent: Tuesday, 19 April 2005 9:36 a.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Print Style Fails Hi, The following: ((http://www.ckimedia.com/c/print.css)) works when tested locally in firefox 1.0 on mac os 10.2.8, but when uploaded to the server it fails. What did I goof? CK __ Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do. ---Bruce Lee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Hide CSS from Netscape 6?
Anyone ever found a way to do this? (besides with scripting that is) Cheers :) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] quick question about text area and wrap=virtual
Hi all I'm converting a ton of pages and I came across a textarea with wrap=virtual. Can I move this to the style sheet? When I read the HTML description, it wraps the text in the textarea box but sends it to the server in one line, it sounded like more of a behavior than a style. It seems to be deprecated in XHTML, which is what I'm coding for, 1.0 transitional. Any suggestions? Thanks Ted Drake www.tdrake.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Print Style Fails
I think its because html {width: 100%} is not the
right way of doing it... have you tried body {width:
100%}? This works fine with my work.
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Re: [WSG] device independence
Rachel Radford wrote: Is there a web site or an accurate way of 'testing' websites on PDA's and cell phones if you don't have access to them? Not really. Too many non-standards around... There is a real standard: 'media handheld', but support for it is sketchy to non-existent for most software-packages one can get to small devices. There's a browser-war going on on small devices, and most browsers are pretty incomplete to say the least. Some info: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=HandheldStylesheets ...more articles can be found on those 'css-d wiki' pages. - Opera's mobile browser is following the handheld-standard and is spreading fast in parts of the world, so the closest you can get at the moment is to use Opera's 7.54/8.0 browsers on big screens, and switch on the 'Small Screen Rendering' they offer. Difference being mostly that the real PDA-browsers don't have the large resources of fonts that you may find in a big browser. Opera's small screen browsers are capable of tuning web pages that don't have 'handheld' styles into something quite useful too, while having good support for the real 'handheld' when that exist. Designing for small screens: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/pocket/ ...is the best article on the subject at the moment. - Most browsers for small devices are ignoring 'media handheld' altogether, and usually makes a mess out of 'media screen' styles -- each their own way. If we ever want some real standard support here, then designing for 'handheld' and testing in Opera is the best we can do. I'm basing my designing for small devices on 'handheld', and have chosen to ignore the other variables out here completely: http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_1_05.html ...will work in Opera. Still working on all the many details... regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] IE three pixel bug has beaten me
This is the second time I am coming across the IE three pixel bug, but this
time it really got me:
http://www.addictivemedia.com.au/clients/gta/home.html
Please ignore the green line that shows up in IE (didn't get around to
dealing with that one yet). The three pixel bug shows itself in IE on the
box with the links (under Registration field).
Now, if I apply the hack to get around it, this is what happens:
/* Getting rid of the IE/PC Three Pixel Gap Bug \*/
* html #home_right {height: 1%;}
http://www.addictivemedia.com.au/clients/gta/home2.html
I get a margin of 3 pixels along the entire right column and it shows up at
the top (above Register as new user).
I have tried everything - it just won't work in IE (works fine in Firefox
and Opera).
Any suggestions as to how I could fix this one?
Thanks heaps!
Andreas Boehmer
User Experience Consultant
Phone: (03) 9386 8907
Mobile: (0411) 097 038
http://www.addictiveMedia.com.au
Consulting | Accessibility | Usability | Development
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[WSG] Unexpected padding (margin?) on right float
First, take a look here in Firefox or Netscape: http://www.x7m.us/_clients/danielik/dev/testing/index.htm Perfect. both floats line up vertically to the top nav bar as desired. Now, take a look in IE6. Somehow, some right-padding or right-margin has crept into the right side of the red outlined box in IE. I've been beating my already-tender-head over this for hours, butcan't figure it out how to fix it. Have validated the CSS so that's not the problem. I guess I can add another div and then float all three left - maybe that'll fix it, but I haven't tried it yet and feel it's more of a work-around solution (if that would even work) than the "right" way to accomplish this. Can someone tell me what's going wrong and what I need to do to fix it? Ever greatful in advance, Cole
Re: [WSG] IE three pixel bug has beaten me
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote:
This is the second time I am coming across the IE three pixel bug, but this
time it really got me:
http://www.addictivemedia.com.au/clients/gta/home.html
Andreas
not sure if this will fix it, but try ending the hack with a comment
eg
style
/* Getting rid of the IE/PC Three Pixel Gap Bug \*/
* html #home_right {height: 1%;}
/* end IE hack */
/style
Mike
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RE: [WSG] IE three pixel bug has beaten me
-Original Message-
From: Mike Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 19 April 2005 1:44 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] IE three pixel bug has beaten me
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote:
This is the second time I am coming across the IE three
pixel bug, but this
time it really got me:
http://www.addictivemedia.com.au/clients/gta/home.html
Andreas
not sure if this will fix it, but try ending the hack with a comment
eg
style
/* Getting rid of the IE/PC Three Pixel Gap Bug \*/
* html #home_right {height: 1%;}
/* end IE hack */
/style
Hi Mike,
Tried it - but it doesn't change.
The documentation of the bug
(http://positioniseverything.net/explorer/threepxtest.html) explains:
When the IE float model is invoked, the float suddenly has a 3px margin on
the paragraph side, which at least can be killed within the Tan hack either
by a negative 3px margin, or by reducing the existing float margin by 3px.
This sounds like my problem, but I'll be damned if I can fix it! Changing
the margin-left of my column is simply ignored.
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Re: [WSG] Unexpected padding (margin?) on right float
Cole Kuryakin - x7m schrieb:
http://www.x7m.us/_clients/danielik/dev/testing/index.htm
Somehow, some right-padding or right-margin has crept into the right side of the red outlined box in IE.
#sideBar { margin: 25px 14px 25px 15px; padding: 0pt; width: 140px;
float: right;
display: inline; /* fix IE doubled margin bug */
}
see
http://positioniseverything.net/explorer/doubled-margin.html
regards
Ingo
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Re: [WSG] IE three pixel bug has beaten me
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote:
This is the second time I am coming across the IE three pixel bug,
but this time it really got me:
Only temporarily...
http://www.addictivemedia.com.au/clients/gta/home2.html
Try killing a float-bug with a float:
#home_right {margin: 0; float: left;}
... makes it identical in Opera, FF and IE6.
You have to prevent the drop-down on narrow windows though.
regards
Georg
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Re: [WSG] Unexpected padding (margin?) on right float
Fixed. Thanks so much!
Will review positioniseverything site for better understanding of this
issue - particularly if it only pertains to floats.
Thanks again Ingo.
Cole
- Original Message -
From: Ingo Chao [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Unexpected padding (margin?) on right float
Cole Kuryakin - x7m schrieb:
http://www.x7m.us/_clients/danielik/dev/testing/index.htm
Somehow, some right-padding or right-margin has crept into the right
side of the red outlined box in IE.
#sideBar { margin: 25px 14px 25px 15px; padding: 0pt; width: 140px;
float: right;
display: inline; /* fix IE doubled margin bug */
}
see
http://positioniseverything.net/explorer/doubled-margin.html
regards
Ingo
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