[WSG] Our Certified Web Accessibility Consultant (CWAC) training program
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0546-2, 15.11.2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at webnauts.net X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER Improper folded header field made up entirely of whitespace in message header 'Subject': Dear co-members, I just wanted to bring to your consideration, that on the 18th of October 2005 we launched our Certified Web Accessibility Consultant (CWAC) training program, which is a brand new and one-of-a-kind resource for web-related professionals. Our program is guided by an instructor, and is completely accessible online. Some features include lists of valuable web-based resources, web space for your project, forums, and chats dealing with accessibility. This program is engineered specifically for web site designers, managers, SEO practitioners and anyone else involved in the development or maintenance of web sites. A secondary audience is researchers who investigate Web design issues. For further information, please do not hesitate to visit us here: http://academy.webnauts.net Thanks a lot for your attention. Best wishes and regards, John -- John S. Britsios Web Architect Trainer Webnauts Net Koblenzer Str. 37A D-33613 Bielefeld Germany Tel.: (+49) 0521 - 3051020 Homepage: http://www.webnauts.net Academy: http://academy.webnauts.net Forums: http://forums.webnauts.net * NOTICE: The information contained in this message is intended for the addressess(s) only and may be confidential, proprietary, or legally privileged. If you have received this message in error or there are any problems with the transmission, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying, or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. The sender will not be liable for any damages arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third-party or as a result of any virus being transmitted. This notice is automatically appended to each e-mail message transmitted from the sender's e-mail domain. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Announcement: Our Certified Web Accessibility Consultant (CWAC) training program
Dear co-members, I just wanted to bring to your consideration, that on the 18th of October 2005 we launched our Certified Web Accessibility Consultant (CWAC) training program, which is a brand new and one-of-a-kind resource for web-related professionals. Our program is guided by an instructor, and is completely accessible online. Some features include lists of valuable web-based resources, web space for your project, forums, and chats dealing with accessibility. This program is engineered specifically for web site designers, managers, SEO practitioners and anyone else involved in the development or maintenance of web sites. A secondary audience is researchers who investigate Web design issues. For further information, please do not hesitate to visit us here: http://academy.webnauts.net Thanks a lot for your attention. Best wishes and regards, John -- John S. Britsios Web Architect Trainer Webnauts Net Koblenzer Str. 37A D-33613 Bielefeld Germany Tel.: (+49) 0521 - 3051020 Homepage: http://www.webnauts.net Academy: http://academy.webnauts.net Forums: http://forums.webnauts.net * NOTICE: The information contained in this message is intended for the addressess(s) only and may be confidential, proprietary, or legally privileged. If you have received this message in error or there are any problems with the transmission, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying, or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. The sender will not be liable for any damages arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third-party or as a result of any virus being transmitted. This notice is automatically appended to each e-mail message transmitted from the sender's e-mail domain. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] To the admins
With respect, I feel that the Britsios messages are inappropriate for this list. Perhaps you might advise Mr Britsios that his postings are unwelcome. Regards Mark Harris Technology Research and Consultancy Services Ltd ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Accessibility: Default placeholders
Geoff Deering Secondly, by this recommendation you are actually addressing the flip side of the problem I am trying to address. The case you are addressing here is 1) A recommendation of how to deal with styles that may conflict with a form element that is in an activated state. 2) What I was addressing was dealing with styles that may conflict with a form element that is in a non activated state. Aeh...I don't see how recommending that users should have the ability to override the designer's style suggestions if they're proving to be confusing only addresses 1 and not 2. Either way, that these recommendation could be feasible in practice, is for the functions within the user agent being able to detect at least two conditions; [...] I can't see how this type of functionality will ever be added to a user agent because it goes against the fundamental interface principles of OSs. The WAI/UAAG would come under scrutiny if they did this. And with all the bugs and unimplemented recommendations in user agent development, I can't see this ever seeing the light of day. Maybe I wasn't clear, but this functionality *already exists* in user agents (although it's a tad on the crude side, I'm hoping to see a more granular control) As for UAAG, this is an implementation of guideline 4 Ensure user control of rendering http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-USERAGENT/guidelines.html#gl-user-control-styles Ensure that the user can select preferred styles (e.g., colors, size of rendered text, and synthesized speech characteristics) from choices offered by the user agent. Allow the user to override author-specified styles and user agent default styles. Are we now talking completely across purposes? Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Announcing the W3C Web APIs and Web Application Formats WGs
Hi all, as some of you may already know, the W3C has just announced the creation of its Rich Web Client Activity, with the addition of two new working groups that you may be interested in. The Web APIs WG (http://www.w3.org/2006/webapi/) will be working on standard APIs for use within browsers. This includes a standard XmlHttpRequest, network communication, client-side storage, drag and drop, programmatic file upload, and a bunch more. There's a public mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED], to which you can subscribe by emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the traditional subscribe in the subject. The Web Application Formats WG (http://www.w3.org/2006/appformats/) will be producing a standard binding language similar to Mozilla XBL and sXBL (http://www.w3.org/TR/sXBL), as well as a language for user interface (à la XUL). It also has a mailing list (public- [EMAIL PROTECTED]), with similar subscription instructions at public- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Both working groups would highly appreciate input from the folks here in WSG, so by all means if you're interested in these topics subscribe to the list, make your ideas known, react to what is being worked on, etc. The WGs will also soon have blogs so that design decisions, hesitations, internal discussions can be tracked from outside. Thanks for your attention, I look forward to working with some of you over there! -- Robin Berjon Senior Research Scientist Expway, http://expway.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] snug a border around diff sized pix
I would use a selector to apply the border to the image itself, rather than the div. Joe Taylor http://sitesbyjoe.com csslist wrote: I have a div that shows phots dynamically that are different sizes and would like to throw a 1px border aound them, I can't seem to get them to hug the photo, anyone got any good tricks for this? tia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] snug a border around diff sized pix
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 01:00:03 -0500, Paul Noone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Add a 1px border to either a or img tags within the DIV's #class. Just out of curiosity, why would a div not be the same size (or hugging) the image inside it if it has no styling of it's own? Box model issues? -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] snug a border around diff sized pix
Tom Livingston wrote: Just out of curiosity, why would a div not be the same size (or hugging) the image inside it if it has no styling of it's own? Box model issues? I may be mistaken, but... A div is a block level element by default. If it has no styling of its own, its width should be 100% of its parent's inner width. Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ Fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] snug a border around diff sized pix
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:19:45 -0500, Bert Doorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A div is a block level element by default. If it has no styling of its own, its width should be 100% of its parent's inner width. If true, display:inline (plus positioning styles - on container or what have you) would not yield the desired results? -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Footer Clear?
Hi folks I am having a few problems with the way my footer is sitting in Firefox: I am using some templates based on the glish 3 column fixed width template. HTML http://www.spotlessdesign.com/development/bpt/index4.html CSS http://www.spotlessdesign.com/development/bpt/css/style4.css I cannot seem to get my footer to drop down below the two news story boxes on the homepage. I have tried all manner of things including a clear fix, which is still in the css but does not seem to work. I am have also tried an invisible hr to drop it down but this does not do much either. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated Cheers Ben ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Footer Clear?
Take away the height restrictions on #homenewsleft and #homenewsright--Zachary On 11/16/05, Ben Logan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folksI am having a few problems with the way my footer is sitting in Firefox:I am using some templates based on the glish 3 column fixed width template.HTML http://www.spotlessdesign.com/development/bpt/index4.htmlCSShttp://www.spotlessdesign.com/development/bpt/css/style4.cssI cannot seem to get my footer to drop down below the two news story boxes on the homepage.I have tried all manner of things including a clear fix,which is still in the css but does not seem to work.I am have also tried an invisible hr to drop it down but this does not domuch either. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciatedCheersBen**The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help** -- ==The best way to predict the future is to invent it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hopkinsprogramming.net
Re: [WSG] Footer Clear?
It looks to me like the footer is in the wrong part of the html. Find it in the html... div id="footer"pBuilding Pressure Testing | Rybka | 10 Lindsey Street | London | EC1A 9HP /p/div And then cut and paste it above the very last div in the html, so the bottom of the code looks like this... div id="footer"pBuilding Pressure Testing | Rybka | 10 Lindsey Street | London | EC1A 9HP /p/div /div /body /html I haven't tested it but that should work. Hope it works. Ryan. Ben Logan wrote: Hi folks I am having a few problems with the way my footer is sitting in Firefox: I am using some templates based on the glish 3 column fixed width template. HTML http://www.spotlessdesign.com/development/bpt/index4.html CSS http://www.spotlessdesign.com/development/bpt/css/style4.css I cannot seem to get my footer to drop down below the two news story boxes on the homepage. I have tried all manner of things including a clear fix, which is still in the css but does not seem to work. I am have also tried an invisible hr to drop it down but this does not do much either. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated Cheers Ben ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Footer Clear?
Oh yes do what this guy suggests, I thought you wanted it across the whole length of the site. Sorry about that. Hopkins Programming wrote: Take away the height restrictions on #homenewsleft and #homenewsright --Zachary On 11/16/05, *Ben Logan* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks I am having a few problems with the way my footer is sitting in Firefox: I am using some templates based on the glish 3 column fixed width template. HTML http://www.spotlessdesign.com/development/bpt/index4.html CSS http://www.spotlessdesign.com/development/bpt/css/style4.css I cannot seem to get my footer to drop down below the two news story boxes on the homepage. I have tried all manner of things including a clear fix, which is still in the css but does not seem to work. I am have also tried an invisible hr to drop it down but this does not do much either. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated Cheers Ben ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- == The best way to predict the future is to invent it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hopkinsprogramming.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Footer Clear?
Hi Zachary Thats perfect thanks! Ben From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hopkins Programming Sent: 16 November 2005 18:22 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Footer Clear? Take away the height restrictions on #homenewsleft and #homenewsright --Zachary On 11/16/05, Ben Logan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks I am having a few problems with the way my footer is sitting in Firefox: I am using some templates based on the glish 3 column fixed width template. HTML http://www.spotlessdesign.com/development/bpt/index4.html CSS http://www.spotlessdesign.com/development/bpt/css/style4.css I cannot seem to get my footer to drop down below the two news story boxes on the homepage.I have tried all manner of things including a clear fix, which is still in the css but does not seem to work. I am have also tried an invisible hr to drop it down but this does not do much either. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated Cheers Ben ** The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- == The best way to predict the future is to invent it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hopkinsprogramming.net
RE: [WSG] Footer Clear?
Thanks for your input Ryan Yeah as you noted below I wanted the footer only as big as the centered div not the full length of the page Thanks anyway! Ben From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Visual Process Sent: 16 November 2005 18:29 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Footer Clear? It looks to me like the footer is in the wrong part of the html. Find it in the html... div id=footerpBuilding Pressure Testing | Rybka | 10 Lindsey Street | London | EC1A 9HP /p/divAnd then cut and paste it above the very last div in the html, so the bottom of the code looks like this... div id=footerpBuilding Pressure Testing | Rybka | 10 Lindsey Street | London | EC1A 9HP /p/div /div /body /html I haven't tested it but that should work. Hope it works. Ryan. Ben Logan wrote: Hi folksI am having a few problems with the way my footer is sitting in Firefox:I am using some templates based on the glish 3 column fixed width template.HTMLhttp://www.spotlessdesign.com/development/bpt/index4.htmlCSShttp://www.spotlessdesign.com/development/bpt/css/style4.cssI cannot seem to get my footer to drop down below the two news story boxeson the homepage. I have tried all manner of things including a clear fix,which is still in the css but does not seem to work.I am have also tried an invisible hr to drop it down but this does not domuch either.Any thoughts would be greatly appreciatedCheersBen**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help**
Re: [WSG] snug a border around diff sized pix
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:39:23 -0500, Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why the safest move is to apply the border to the image. Agreed, just curious. Thanks for playing along. ;-) -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Fluid problems
I'm having BIG problems trying to get the content of this site to be held within the image 'containers' I've used. Help me, please?! I'm beginning to lose it. Adam http://www.janelehrer.co.uk/live5 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Fluid problems
On 17/11/05, Adam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm having BIG problems trying to get the content of this site to be held within the image 'containers' I've used. Help me, please?! I'm beginning to lose it. Adam http://www.janelehrer.co.uk/live5 I've had a look, and the paragraph that is falling out of the box doesn't have a closing /p tag. Maybe that's what's upsetting it? Seona. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Fluid problems
On 11/16/05, Adam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm having BIG problems trying to get the content of this site to be
held within the image 'containers' I've used. Help me, please?! I'm
beginning to lose it.
Adam
Your content is still 100% wide. When you nudge it to the right, you
need to make it more narrow, otherwise you'll have 100% plus the left
margin, like you have now.
You should do a negative margin-right greater or equal to the left
gutter. That should solve the problem. Or, don't give it that left
positioning at all, and apply a margin as such:
margin: top right bottom left;
so for example:
margin: { 100px 50px 0 50px; }
and no other positioning. That should make the content behave right.
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C Montoya
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Re: [WSG] Fluid problems
Why does your base.css file have html in it? Adam Morris wrote: I'm having BIG problems trying to get the content of this site to be held within the image 'containers' I've used. Help me, please?! I'm beginning to lose it. Adam http://www.janelehrer.co.uk/live5 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Fluid problems
There's a message here: *Before* asking - VALIDATE your code! :) Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Visual Process Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:38 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Fluid problems Why does your base.css file have html in it? Adam Morris wrote: I'm having BIG problems trying to get the content of this site to be held within the image 'containers' I've used. Help me, please?! I'm beginning to lose it. Adam http://www.janelehrer.co.uk/live5 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Fluid problems
I noted that the contentRight div has a height of 500px on it. The first paragraph fits within that 500 and so its staying in...after the text exceeds to bottom of the right div, it spills out...so you need to work on that rightDiv I think. Buddy Paul Bennett wrote: There's a message here: *Before* asking - VALIDATE your code! :) Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Visual Process Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:38 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Fluid problems Why does your base.css file have html in it? Adam Morris wrote: I'm having BIG problems trying to get the content of this site to be held within the image 'containers' I've used. Help me, please?! I'm beginning to lose it. Adam http://www.janelehrer.co.uk/live5 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Fluid problems
true! I want the height to stretch the height of the content... how??!!?? I've added the missing /p (thanks, Seona) and the page now validates. base.css? just a hang-over from another page. all the style info is in the head at the moment. On 16/11/05, Buddy Quaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I noted that the contentRight div has a height of 500px on it. The first paragraph fits within that 500 and so its staying in...after the text exceeds to bottom of the right div, it spills out...so you need to work on that rightDiv I think. Buddy Paul Bennett wrote: There's a message here: *Before* asking - VALIDATE your code! :) Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Visual Process Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:38 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Fluid problems Why does your base.css file have html in it? Adam Morris wrote: I'm having BIG problems trying to get the content of this site to be held within the image 'containers' I've used. Help me, please?! I'm beginning to lose it. Adam http://www.janelehrer.co.uk/live5 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Can't select text on IE
Title: Message Id say selecting text is a usability/accessibility issue. Grant From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Noone Sent: Wednesday, 16 November 2005 03:55 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Can't select text on IE Or...View Source and copy. Assuming that's an option. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CHAUDHRY, Bhuvnesh Sent: Wednesday, 16 November 2005 3:48 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Can't select text on IE Paul, It a simplecopy and paste requirement. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Noone Sent: Wednesday, 16 November 2005 15:39 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Can't select text on IE Why do you want to select the text? This might go some way towards providing an adequate solution that doesn't involve totally overhauling your stylsheet. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CHAUDHRY, Bhuvnesh Sent: Wednesday, 16 November 2005 3:03 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Can't select text on IE Importance: High Hi, I have written an html page based on CSS layout. The page has a parent div tag which contains many other div tags including one for Side Menu, one for Masthead and one for the Content. The problem: Using IE6, I am unable to select a part of the text from the content area. When I try to select a para or a line, all the text on the page within the parent div tag including the side menu bar get selected. Does anyone have any suggestions about this problem ? Thanks __ Bhuvnesh Chaudhry * This e-mail message (along with any attachments) is intended only for the named addressee and could contain information that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that any dissemination, copying or use of any of the information is prohibited. Please notify us immediately by return e-mail if you are not the intended recipient and delete all copies of the original message and attachments. This footnote also confirms that this message has been checked for computer viruses. * * This e-mail message (along with any attachments) is intended only for the named addressee and could contain information that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that any dissemination, copying or use of any of the information is prohibited. Please notify us immediately by return e-mail if you are not the intended recipient and delete all copies of the original message and attachments. This footnote also confirms that this message has been checked for computer viruses. * **This message is intended for the addressee named and may containprivileged information or confidential information or both. If youare not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender.**
Re: [WSG] Fluid problems
Short answer. You can't. The problem is you have your right div inside the div that holds the content with a float right. CSS Div boxes will ONLY be as high as the content is. Browsers dont follow height:100% at least not right now. So what you should do is take the rightcontent outof the content div. Give the content div a width of whatever you want and then float that right div cross your fingers...there might be more involved but thats the basic rundown. You might have to put both the content and rightcontent inside a wrapper and also float the content:left. Buddy Adam Morris wrote: true! I want the height to stretch the height of the content... how??!!?? I've added the missing /p (thanks, Seona) and the page now validates. base.css? just a hang-over from another page. all the style info is in the head at the moment. On 16/11/05, Buddy Quaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I noted that the contentRight div has a height of 500px on it. The first paragraph fits within that 500 and so its staying in...after the text exceeds to bottom of the right div, it spills out...so you need to work on that rightDiv I think. Buddy Paul Bennett wrote: There's a message here: *Before* asking - VALIDATE your code! :) Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Visual Process Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:38 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Fluid problems Why does your base.css file have html in it? Adam Morris wrote: I'm having BIG problems trying to get the content of this site to be held within the image 'containers' I've used. Help me, please?! I'm beginning to lose it. Adam http://www.janelehrer.co.uk/live5 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] snug a border around diff sized pix
Hey, we're all here to be entertained. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Livingston Sent: Thursday, 17 November 2005 7:22 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] snug a border around diff sized pix On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:39:23 -0500, Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why the safest move is to apply the border to the image. Agreed, just curious. Thanks for playing along. ;-) -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Fluid problems
I'm possibly missing something huge here but couldn't you save yourself massive amounts of pain by going back to a single DIV that has a 2px grey border on it? Drop your text in there. Then just absolutely position your guitar pic in another layer. I'm sure I've missed something. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Visual Process Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:38 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Fluid problems Why does your base.css file have html in it? Adam Morris wrote: I'm having BIG problems trying to get the content of this site to be held within the image 'containers' I've used. Help me, please?! I'm beginning to lose it. Adam http://www.janelehrer.co.uk/live5 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Accessibility: Default placeholders
Patrick Lauke wrote: Geoff Deering Secondly, by this recommendation you are actually addressing the flip side of the problem I am trying to address. The case you are addressing here is 1) A recommendation of how to deal with styles that may conflict with a form element that is in an activated state. 2) What I was addressing was dealing with styles that may conflict with a form element that is in a non activated state. Aeh...I don't see how recommending that users should have the ability to override the designer's style suggestions if they're proving to be confusing only addresses 1 and not 2. Yes, you are right, it does cover both scenarios I highlighted. But as I said, there seems no feasible way to technically implement this recommendation. Either way, that these recommendation could be feasible in practice, is for the functions within the user agent being able to detect at least two conditions; [...] I can't see how this type of functionality will ever be added to a user agent because it goes against the fundamental interface principles of OSs. The WAI/UAAG would come under scrutiny if they did this. And with all the bugs and unimplemented recommendations in user agent development, I can't see this ever seeing the light of day. Maybe I wasn't clear, but this functionality *already exists* in user agents (although it's a tad on the crude side, I'm hoping to see a more granular control) As for UAAG, this is an implementation of guideline 4 Ensure user control of rendering http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-USERAGENT/guidelines.html#gl-user-control-styles Ensure that the user can select preferred styles (e.g., colors, size of rendered text, and synthesized speech characteristics) from choices offered by the user agent. Allow the user to override author-specified styles and user agent default styles. Are we now talking completely across purposes? Patrick No, I don't feel we are. This recommendation does not address the problems raised by this specific issue, according to my understanding. So I would very much appreciate if you could explain in thorough technical detail and functionality how this works and how it addresses the problems (I see) this specific issue raises, or at least show how you would address this issue in functional specifications. Geoff Deering ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Good practice of CSS styled forms
I started to build a directory of webmaster goodies on my website. Could you recommend me sites with examples, presentations, tutorials of CSS styled forms. I hope it will be usefull for other members, too. Thanx in advance, Goran Mitic GuruGorg.Network - We build better websites web: www.gurugorg.net rss: www.gurugorg.net/feed mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: gurugorg.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Good practice of CSS styled forms
here's one of many good starting points:http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/On 11/17/05, GuruGorg.Network [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I started to build a directory of webmaster goodies on my website.Could you recommend me sites with examples, presentations, tutorialsof CSS styled forms.I hope it will be usefull for other members, too. Thanx in advance,Goran MiticGuruGorg.Network - We build better websitesweb: www.gurugorg.netrss: www.gurugorg.net/feed mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]skype: gurugorg.net**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Safari not loading website
Hi! All I am the web production officer at Attorny General's . I have received feedback from Mac users using Safari to browse are unable to download attachments. The errors message that they get is Safari can't find the server, can't find the Domain name?. We are using relative links in _javascript_ to open the attachments. Could please anyone shed light on what might be causing this. Our website is built on Lotus Notes. Thanks! Lakshmi Satyanarayana Web Production Officer Web Services Information Technology Services Attorney General's Department Tel: +612 9228 8417 Mo: 0403111907 Fax: +612 9228 8269 Ex: 88417 Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Thismessageisintendedfortheaddresseenamedandmaycontainprivileged orconfidentialinformation.Ifyouarenottheintendedrecipientyoumust notuse,disclose,copyordistributethiscommunication.Ifyouhave receivedthismessageinerrorpleasedeletetheemailandnotifythesender. WebSite http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au
Re: [WSG] Good practice of CSS styled forms
hmmm... sorry, that wasn't all that form-specific, was it?here's some of my links on css forms, and the like:http://www.aplus.co.yu/css/styling-form-fields/ http://www.quirksmode.org/css/forms.htmlhttp://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2004/03/24/ http://www.quirksmode.org/css/forms.html...and one more focused on validation:http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/formval.html *note that by providing all these links, i do not necessarily vouch for their techniques!On 11/17/05, adam reitsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:here's one of many good starting points: http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/ On 11/17/05, GuruGorg.Network [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I started to build a directory of webmaster goodies on my website.Could you recommend me sites with examples, presentations, tutorialsof CSS styled forms.I hope it will be usefull for other members, too. Thanx in advance,Goran MiticGuruGorg.Network - We build better websitesweb: www.gurugorg.net rss: www.gurugorg.net/feed mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]skype: gurugorg.net**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Accessibility: Default placeholders
Geoff Deering wrote: No, I don't feel we are. This recommendation does not address the problems raised by this specific issue, according to my understanding. So I would very much appreciate if you could explain in thorough technical detail and functionality how this works and how it addresses the problems (I see) this specific issue raises, or at least show how you would address this issue in functional specifications. In thorough technical detail and functionality? Functional specifications? Why do you have to make this issue sound so inflatedly complex? Taking Internet Explorer as an example, at the moment you have access, under Tools Internet Options... General Accessibility, to three checkboxes: ignore colors specified on Web pages; ignore font styles specified on Web pages; ignore font sizes specified on Webpage. My proposal: why not add a further one ignore form control styles specified on Web pages? Technically, the browser should then simply ignore any author defined styling of form controls. There...sorry if it's not in functional spec or technical detail... P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Safari not loading website
Hello Lakshmi I am using Mac OS X 10.3.9, so I thought that I would document the problem. I'm not a JavaScript/EcmaScript bunny, so I'm afraid I can't do more than that. Hopefully someone else on the list can point you to a fix. The problem is real. When you use javascript:OpenAttachmentWithFullPath, Safari tries to point to localhost, rather than the base path. As a test page, I used: http://www.agd.nsw.gov.au/lawlink/Corporate/ll_corporate.nsf/ vwPreviewActivePages/attorney_generals_department_court_recording I tried to download something that uses javascript:OpenAttachment: Same_Day_Transcript_Newcastle_Order_Form_text.doc And something that uses javascript:OpenAttachmentWithFullPath: /Lawlink/Corporate/ll_corporate.nsf/vwFiles/ Transcript_fees_RSB2005.doc/$file/Transcript_fees_RSB2005.doc First, I check that the page was valid: http://validator.w3.org/ It wasn't. You can see the results at: http://validator.w3.org/check? uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.agd.nsw.gov.au%2Flawlink%2FCorporate%2Fll_corporate .nsf%2FvwPreviewActivePages%2Fattorney_generals_department_court_recordi ng Then I tried to replicate the problem with various browsers: javascript:OpenAttachment Firefox 1.0.6: OK Safari 1.3.1: OK Opera 8.5: OK Internet Explorer 5.2.3: OK javascript:OpenAttachmentWithFullPath Firefox 1.0.6: OK Safari 1.3.1: Fail! Opera 8.5: OK Internet Explorer 5.2.3: OK Sure enough, when I tried to download using javascript:OpenAttachmentWithFullPath on Safari 1.3.1, I received the error message: Safari can’t open the page “http://localhost/Lawlink/Corporate/ll_corporate.nsf/vwFiles… anscript_fees_RSB2005.doc/$file/Transcript_fees_RSB2005.doc” because it could not connect to the server “localhost”. -- Jonathan O'Donnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://purl.nla.gov.au/net/jod +61 4 2575 5829 On 17/11/2005, at 10:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! All I am the web production officer at Attorny General's . I have received feedback from Mac users using Safari to browse are unable to download attachments. The errors message that they get is Safari can't find the server, can't find the Domain name?. We are using relative links in Javascript to open the attachments. Could please anyone shed light on what might be causing this. Our website is built on Lotus Notes. Thanks! Lakshmi Satyanarayana Web Production Officer Web Services Information Technology Services Attorney General's Department Tel: +612 9228 8417 Mo: 0403111907 Fax: +612 9228 8269 Ex: 88417 Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privil eged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy or distribute this communication. If you have received this message in error please delete the email and notify the s ender. Web Site http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Good practice of CSS styled forms
Adam, thanx for links. Also I found simple and great presentation by Derek Featherstone, a presenter of WE05: http://simplyaccessible.org Goran Mitic GuruGorg.Network - We build better websites web: www.gurugorg.net rss: www.gurugorg.net/feed mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: gurugorg.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Can't select text on IE
99% of users have no idea what view-source is. If they try to select any text on the page, and they can't, they won't be happy. Is the section positioned? Does it have any divs overlapping? -- -- C Montoya rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com ... montoya.rdpdesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Accessibility: Default placeholders
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Geoff Deering wrote: No, I don't feel we are. This recommendation does not address the problems raised by this specific issue, according to my understanding. So I would very much appreciate if you could explain in thorough technical detail and functionality how this works and how it addresses the problems (I see) this specific issue raises, or at least show how you would address this issue in functional specifications. In thorough technical detail and functionality? Functional specifications? Why do you have to make this issue sound so inflatedly complex? Taking Internet Explorer as an example, at the moment you have access, under Tools Internet Options... General Accessibility, to three checkboxes: ignore colors specified on Web pages; ignore font styles specified on Web pages; ignore font sizes specified on Webpage. My proposal: why not add a further one ignore form control styles specified on Web pages? Technically, the browser should then simply ignore any author defined styling of form controls. There...sorry if it's not in functional spec or technical detail... P Okay, so if this was implemented in user agents, what would be your educated estimate of percentage of users who would configure this and therefore avoid this problem of interpreting the incorrect state of form controls? - Geoff Deering ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Safari not loading website
We are using relative links in Javascript to open the attachments. Could please anyone shed light on what might be causing this. Well, you've answered your own question! Use absolute paths in your links. (and... Lotus Notes?! Ouch...) N ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Can't select text on IE
Christian Montoya sagely expounded: 99% of users have no idea... Nuff said. ;) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Can't select text on IE
Paul Noone wrote: Why do you want to select the text? Probably worth mentioning that this IE text-selection bug also breaks Macromedia Contribute (at least the Windows version) so areas of the page that should be client-editable aren't... -- Hassan Schroeder - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Safari not loading website
We are using relative links in Javascript to open the attachments. Could please anyone shed light on what might be causing this. Well, you've answered your own question! Use absolute paths in your links. (and... Lotus Notes?! Ouch...) so does this mean that you can't build the links server side with something like PHP? Javascript is the only option? -- -- C Montoya rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com ... montoya.rdpdesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Can't select text on IE
This does in fact occur when absolutely positioned divs collide on top of each other. There aren't exactly workarounds...it just means that you either deal with it, or you redevelop your website with a bit more care, or just use floats (if they can suffice). espn.com is an infamous site that produces this effect. also try http://veerle.duoh.com Good luck eh, Dustin Diaz http://www.dustindiaz.com/ On 11/16/05, Hassan Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Noone wrote: Why do you want to select the text? Probably worth mentioning that this IE text-selection bug also breaks Macromedia Contribute (at least the Windows version) so areas of the page that should be client-editable aren't... -- Hassan Schroeder - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Fluid problems
I've DONE IT!!! I'VE DONE IT!! To create the right side of the content that stretches the length of the browser window, I used the contentright background image on the BODY instead of in it's own floated div. BINGO!! The top and bottom corners now sit over a beautifully repeated, 100% of the content, line. Paul, I've not used a grey bordered div because I want to eventually make a lovely blurred effect on the border. Hence the use of images... Thanks for all your help, guys and girls! Invaluable. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
