Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official
Hi, after updated to firefox 1.5 some extensions didn´t work - Document Map - Fangs Screen - Switchproxy - Taw3 - Measureit - Hera tool - Web color names bye ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official
Jay Gilmore wrote: The one extension set that no longer works and I haven't found a solution is the libraries for Spellbound. I am not sure where to find the libraries. They are available at for Thunderbird. I really do use it alot for blogging and forum posting. Check http://dictionaries.mozdev.org/. -- Choan ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Browser check Site crit please
Thanks for the advice. I've never used mailing lists before. I usually just google stuff! but this one seems very helpful. On 11/30/05, Rick Faaberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/29/05 5:59 AM Richard Stephenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: Hi everyone, I just joined this list I like it when there's a site identifier in the subject of the emails. Doesn't have to be the site name (so your customer won't find it) but just some identifier like problems with Mac browsers? or float problems or such. Thanks! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- DonkeyMagic: Website design development http://www.donkeymagic.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official
Hi all Just a quick reminder that the WSG on-topic sphere doesn't include software support , like broken extensions. In this case you will probably get the best responses at the mozilla support sites. Discussion of browsers and their standards support (or not) is, of course, on topic. Cheers James --- admin
[WSG] Looking for semantically correct solution
On www.brisbane-webdesign.com there are two background imageson the page, both included within the mark-up instead of in the CSS as a background. The reason for doing this is so that the background stretches when the browser is resized, what I wonder is; is there a better way to do this? Also, whydoes the mark-up provided by W3C for the Valid HTML img (see bottom of the page)have a p element? Surely it is not a paragraph, is it? Kind regards, Taco Fleur - Chief Executive OfficerPacific Fox http://www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 Web Design and Development SMS Solutions, including developer API Domain Registration, .COM for as low as fifteendollars a year, .COM.AU for fifty dollarstwo years! BlackBerryBusiness Solutions www.OzBlackBerry.com We endorse PayPal, accept payments online now! Seamless Merchant integration
Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official
The Mac version of HTMLTidy doesn't work under 1.5, which actually prevents me from upgrading on my work machine, as I use this all the time as a handy shortcut for picking up validation errors (and puts this thread vaguely on-topic too). The PC version works, so I'll be upgrading my PC for sure. Version which I got from http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/download.html worked on 1.5RC just fine. Regards, Rimantas -- http://rimantas.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official
I upgraded and so far I'm happy with it. :) I did notice one thing right off the bat. I have one of those snow falling java scripts on my personal blog (I don't normaly use those types of java scripts on my sites.. and never on a business site), and the snow falls more smoothly in FF 1.5. It's not something anyone else would really notice, but since I go to my personal blog several times a day I noticed right away that the snow looks much better. Artemis Original Message From: Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official Date: 11/29/2005 15:44 Firefox has just officially released 1.5 http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/releases/1.5.html It's time to upgrade. If you haven't been using the beta, you'll be pleasantly surprised. Ted ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Konquerer becomes the 2nd browser to pass Acid2
Hi all Just read this via KDE dot news (http://dot.kde.org/1133270759/) Konqueror is the second major web browser to pass the Acid2 CSS test, ahead of Firefox and Internet Explorer http://www.kde.org/announcements/visualguide-3.5.php This was done in June 2005 but was only ported to a stable branch released today. Bravo Konqi and a good day for better standards support. Both Konq and Safari share a similar codebase (KHTML : http://khtml.info ). Cheers James
Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official
2005-11-30
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hm m8 can you send me via mail that snow script !? 2005/11/30, Artemis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I upgraded and so far I'm happy with it. :) I did notice one thing right off the bat. I have one of those snow falling java scripts on my personal blog (I don't normaly use those types of java scripts on my sites.. and never on a business site), and the snow falls more smoothly in FF 1.5. It's not something anyone else would really notice, but since I go to my personal blog several times a day I noticed right away that the snow looks much better. Artemis Original Message From: Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official Date: 11/29/2005 15:44 Firefox has just officially released 1.5 http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/releases/1.5.html It's time to upgrade. If you haven't been using the beta, you'll be pleasantly surprised. Ted ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official
Artemis the snow falls more smoothly in FF 1.5. Firefox 1.5 - now with even smoother snow! Now that's a new marketing angle... :) P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] FF1.5 and Web Dev. T/B
Is it just me or does the Disable Images option on the Web Developers Toolbar not work with FF1.5? Stephen
Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official
*Grin* I just thought it was cool that this type of _javascript_ is rendering(?) better in this new version ;) It's a habbit for me to notice graphics first before I notice anything else. Artemis Original Message From: "Patrick Lauke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re:[WSG] firefox 1.5 is official Date: 11/30/2005 03:55 Artemis the snow falls more smoothly in FF 1.5. "Firefox 1.5 - now with even smoother snow!" Now that's a new marketing angle... :) P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] FF1.5 and Web Dev. T/B
It works on mine.. but took a few seconds. Artemis Original Message From: "Stephen Stagg" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] FF1.5 and Web Dev. T/B Date: 11/30/2005 05:06 Is it just me or does the Disable Images option on the Web Developers Toolbar not work with FF1.5? Stephen
Re: [WSG] FF1.5 and Web Dev. T/B
You're right, it doesn't work. Stephen Stagg wrote: Is it just me or does the ‘Disable Images’ option on the Web Developers Toolbar not work with FF1.5? Stephen ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] FF1.5 and Web Dev. T/B
Outline selected isn't working properly for me either. Stephen Stagg wrote: Is it just me or does the ‘Disable Images’ option on the Web Developers Toolbar not work with FF1.5? Stephen ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] FF1.5 and Web Dev. T/B
Stuart Sherwood Outline selected isn't working properly for me either. Stephen Stagg wrote: Is it just me or does the ‘Disable Images’ option on the Web Developers Toolbar not work with FF1.5? Did you do a clean install (with a fresh profile) or an upgrade? Sometimes, although it shouldn't happen, an upgrade can leave some rubbish behind that prevents things from working 100%. P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] FF1.5 and Web Dev. T/B
Stephen Stagg wrote: Is it just me or does the Disable Images option on the Web Developers Toolbar not work with FF1.5? Stephen Isn't working on mine either. Images disappear for 2 seconds and reload. Jay Gilmore
Re: [WSG] FF1.5 and Web Dev. T/B
Stephen Stagg wrote: Is it just me or does the 'Disable Images' option on the Web Developers Toolbar not work with FF1.5? Although this is off-topic for this list, I believe it's a known incompatibility in version 0.9.4 that appears to have been fixed in the latest beta version 0.9.9. http://chrispederick.com/work/webdeveloper/beta/ -- Lachlan Hunt http://lachy.id.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official
Hi Jay, What extensions are you running. You can reply off-list, if desired. Chris On Nov 29, 2005, at 4:31 PM, Jay Gilmore wrote: Felix Miata wrote: Does the Web Developer Extension run in it with your old profile without fussing with it? I've been using both, but web dev only in 1.0.7 and separate profiles for each. Yes. I just installed 1.5 into the 1.07 folder and of the 20 extensions I have installed only 3 didn't update or function. Jay Gilmore Developer/Consultant Affordable Websites and Marketing Solutions for Real Small Business. SmashingRed Web Marketing P) 902.529.0651 E) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Off-List[installing Xalan-C++ version 1.10]
Hi, Would someone knowledge please email off-list with instructions on installing Xalan-C++ for Mac OS 10.4, and any other XSLT paser for use with Terminal. Sincerely, Chris ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Wanted: standards, semantics and strict/valid Script Sources
I wanted to know if there are resources like HotScripts etc. that provide code that is standards oriented, semantic and use valid and/or strict doctypes? I hate always having to hack the hell out of scripts etc to remove tables and replace semantics etc. Jay -- Jay Gilmore Developer/Consultant Affordable Websites and Marketing Solutions for Real Small Business. SmashingRed Web Marketing P) 902.529.0651 E) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [WSG] Looking for semantically correct solution
On 11/30/05, Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On www.brisbane-webdesign.com there are two background images on the page, both included within the mark-up instead of in the CSS as a background. The reason for doing this is so that the background stretches when the browser is resized, what I wonder is; is there a better way to do this? Not yet, as far as I know. Also, why does the mark-up provided by W3C for the Valid HTML img (see bottom of the page) have a p element? Surely it is not a paragraph, is it? The most important reason is that if the image is not loaded, and the alt tag is displayed, it is plain text and belongs in a paragraph. If you have an image with an empty alt tag, then it might make more sense to enclose it in a div. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Looking for semantically correct solution
The most important reason is that if the image is not loaded, and the alt tag is displayed, it is plain text and belongs in a paragraph. Hi, And is that valid? I always though that using a p tag on an image was considered poor practice. Bil scheider ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Looking for semantically correct solution
Hmm, aah ok, so you are saying, the p tag is for the alternate text, I guess that could make sense, never though about it that way. thanks Kind regards, Taco Fleur - Chief Executive Officer Pacific Fox http://www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 . * Web Design and Development * SMS Solutions, including developer API * Domain Registration, .COM for as low as fifteen dollars a year, .COM.AU for fifty dollars two years! * BlackBerryR Business Solutions www.OzBlackBerry.com * We endorse PayPal, accept payments online now! * Seamless Merchant integration ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Looking for semantically correct solution
On 11/30/05, bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The most important reason is that if the image is not loaded, and the alt tag is displayed, it is plain text and belongs in a paragraph. Hi, And is that valid? I always though that using a p tag on an image was considered poor practice. Bil scheider Where did you hear that? I could be wrong, but the validator doesn't mind, and I haven't seen any recommendations from the W3C against it. If you look at the drafts for XHTML 2, you'll see they are heading in the opposite direction; img tags are dropped entirely, and instead the following is preferred: p src=image.png This is fallback text /p If the image is there, it replaces the paragraph, and exists as a paragraph. If not, the text is handled normally. Using p img alt=This is fallback text / /p for now seems like a good semantic solution. I think the way to look at this is that semantics wins. If you have an alt tag, you want the semantics of a paragraph. If the alt tag is empty, you want a weightless div. One way or another it has to be inside a block level element, IMO. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] FF1.5 and Web Dev. T/B
Stephen Stagg wrote: > Is it just me or does the ‘Disable Images’ option on the Web > Developers Toolbar not work with FF1.5? > > Stephen > Yes. When I choose this option, it refreshes the page but all the images still seem to appear. In addition, the "view style information" (under CSS) is greyed out, very annoying. Sigurd Magnusson | Technical Director SilverStripe Level 4, 25a Marion Street Wellington, New Zealand Phone +64 4 381 4482 Fax +64 4 803 3347 Mobile +64 21 421 208 SilverStripe Website Management SilverStripe gives you full control of your website. From adding and modifying pages on your website, to sending personalised email newsletters to thousands of people, everything can be done quickly and easily by people without technical knowledge of the Internet. Find out more Website Owners Web Designers
Re: [WSG] Javascript dependant devices
Text browsers: there are a few like links that are exeptions to this rule. Normal browsers with Javascript turned off. You might be surprises how many people do that. Internet Explorer has a serious JS vulnerability so it would make sense for those users to turn it off. Search Engines Rendering engines in email clients. I would assume that most have it turned off by default. An exception might be Outlook as it has a pretty low security level. Any other robot crawling your site for some reason or another. Depending one the situation - a particular peice of javascript might cause issues with some browsers. Particularly people using things like greasemonkey. As far as mobile devices are conserned - most of them do not. Trying to implement javascript in a mobile device is quite difficult. There are some though that are working on it. I don't know if there in use though. Alan Trick On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 12:44 +1100, Herrod, Lisa wrote: can anyone point me to an up to date list of browsers and devices that either do not support Javascript or whose functionality is impeded by JS? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] FF1.5 and Web Dev. T/B
Stephen Stagg wrote: Is it just me or does the Disable Images option on the Web Developers Toolbar not work with FF1.5? Yes. When I choose this option, it refreshes the page but all the images still seem to appear. When I disabled images at first, it didnt disable them but Ive gone back to a number of sites and my images are disabled. Now I cant get them back on! Bill Scheider
Re: [WSG] FF1.5 and Web Dev. T/B
Stephen Stagg wrote: Is it just me or does the Disable Images option on the Web Developers Toolbar not work with FF1.5? Yes. When I choose this option, it refreshes the page but all the images still seem to appear. When I disabled images at first, it didnt disable them but Ive gone back to a number of sites and my images are disabled. Now I cant get them back on! Bill Scheider I ended up uninstalling FF1.5 and deleting my profile and reinstalling all my extenstions. The only bad thing about this is that I neglected to backup the stored passwords data and now I have to remember all my passwords. Darn. -Best, Jay Jay Gilmore Developer/Consultant Affordable Websites and Marketing Solutions for Real Small Business. SmashingRed Web Marketing P) 902.529.0651 E) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official
On 30/11/05 9:39 PM, Rimantas Liubertas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Mac version of HTMLTidy doesn't work under 1.5, which actually prevents me from upgrading on my work machine, as I use this all the time as a handy shortcut for picking up validation errors (and puts this thread vaguely on-topic too). The PC version works, so I'll be upgrading my PC for sure. Version which I got from http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/download.html worked on 1.5RC just fine. Regards, Rimantas Ah, thanks Rimantas - last time I checked (a couple of weeks ago), the 0.7.6 version for Mac wasn't there, only the older 0.6.2 version (which definitely doesn't work with FF1.5). -- Kevin Futter Webmaster, St. Bernard's College http://www.sbc.melb.catholic.edu.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official
On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 15:44 -0800, Ted Drake wrote: Firefox has just officially released 1.5 http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/releases/1.5.html It's time to upgrade. If you haven't been using the beta, you'll be pleasantly surprised. Ted Great. I hope they fixed the copy-and-paste issues in linux. Those were really anoying because they would lock up your whole screen. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Browser check Site crit please
On Nov 29, 2005, at 5:59 AM, Richard Stephenson wrote: I have been working on my blog http://www.donkeymagic.co.uk for a while and it works ok in my browsers FF an IE6 on the pc but i have no access to mac browsers and little experince of mac css bugs/filters. Any help/advice/critisism will be greatfully recieved. The side bar has rendering problems under safari 2.0.1. See http:// illumit.com/reports/donkeymagic.png On my little ibook the main tabs are kind of small and hard to read. There are a few HTML conformance problems (didn't seem to cause any problem with Safari) and one broken link. See http://illumit.com/ reports/donkeymagic.html Hope that helps, Steve Ferguson - WebLight Developer - http://illumit.com/Products/ weblight/ Thanks, Richard Stephenson -- DonkeyMagic: Website design development http://www.donkeymagic.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Konquerer becomes the 2nd browser to pass Acid2
Safari was the first wasn't it? Hope a Windows browser manages that soon... :( On 30/11/05, James Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all Just read this via KDE dot news (http://dot.kde.org/1133270759/) Konqueror is the second major web browser to pass the Acid2 CSS test, ahead of Firefox and Internet Explorer http://www.kde.org/announcements/visualguide-3.5.php This was done in June 2005 but was only ported to a stable branch released today. Bravo Konqi and a good day for better standards support. Both Konq and Safari share a similar codebase (KHTML : http://khtml.info ). Cheers James -- *** WSG Frammr map - where are you? http://www.frappr.com/wsg *** Jason Foss http://www.almost-anything.com.au http://www.waterfallweb.net Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Konquerer becomes the 2nd browser to pass Acid2
On 01/12/05, Jason Foss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Safari was the first wasn't it? Yep. And iCab 3 developer builds reportedly support it too. Hope a Windows browser manages that soon... :( Konqueror on Win32 isn't entirely unthinkable. The rest? Well, Mozilla tends to have quite long development cycles, and they just ended one. Chris Wilson stated on IEBlog that IE7 will not pass Acid2 when shipping, which would mean Acid2 in iew is deferred to yet future releases. Opera is close already, only having problems with the eyes part. So my bet would be on Opera being the first Windows browser to pass it. -- David liorean Andersson uri:http://liorean.web-graphics.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] standards, semantics and strict/valid Script Sources
I am honestly looking for resources. Any help in this would be great. Jay Jay Gilmore wrote: I wanted to know if there are resources like HotScripts etc. that provide code that is standards oriented, semantic and use valid and/or strict doctypes? I hate always having to hack the hell out of scripts etc to remove tables and replace semantics etc. Jay -- Jay Gilmore Developer/Consultant Affordable Websites and Marketing Solutions for Real Small Business. SmashingRed Web Marketing P) 902.529.0651 E) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [WSG] standards, semantics and strict/valid Script Sources
Jay Gilmore wrote: I am honestly looking for resources. Any help in this would be great. Jay For some Javascript sources: I sometimes turn to DynWeb: http://www.dyn-web.com/ or Dithered: http://www.dithered.com/index.html These aren't as robust as HotScripts, but it's past my bedtime. ;) I hope that helps, Zulema Z u l e m a O r t i z w e b d e s i g n e r email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] website : http://zoblue.com/ weblog : http://blog.zoblue.com/ browser : http://getfirefox.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
