Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards
Just quickly, speaking in Google's favour, I've had to use Gmail in an emergency via SSH on a text terminal, and it remained eminently usable. Screenreaders may not fare so well, but for the vast majority of users, it's key strength is usability and the depth of their products. It seems they value usability over (universal) accessibility, which is, for many businesses, quite an acceptable order of values. You can either devote resources to ensuring accessibility for those clients who may or may not be the most profitable, or you can devote the same resources to improving usability for the widest possible range of people... which drives the growth of their products in no small way. And, despite all its validation misdemeanours, Google's search engine linearises quite well (if you don't believe me, fire up Links... which I presume is a decent guide to the way a screen reader would approch things). Hah! I just discovered something that puts an interesting spin on my previous assertion about Google not worrying about showing up in search engines. Try this search: http://www.google.com/search?q=search Yes indeed, Google ranks after MSN in its own search engine! Josh On 12/8/05, Bert Doorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day Well, it isn't the first thing that occurred to me! I've often wondered why it is that Google doesn't validate. I never looked at it closely, but you're right - it's tagsoup, tables for layout and deprecated elements and attributes galore (font, center anyone?). No DTD either. Perhaps, like *many* businesses, they look at it and say it works in all browsers, so what's all the fuss about? They don't *see* the need... Perhaps it's also a case of (some) programmers are not html coders. It seems many people who write server side scripts only have a vocabulary of about 10-12 HTML elements (html, title, meta, body, table, tr, td, center, font, img and maybe a couple more). Yes, I know there are exceptions... Just thinking Google may fall into this category as it's obviously script driven. Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ Fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Joshua Street http://www.joahua.com/ +61 (0) 425 808 469 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate?
Google is the preferred search engine of use for the majority of users of assistive devices due to its clear and simple layout; another example of the 'religion of the perfection of writing to W3C standards' not always required to deliver accessibility and usability. Edward Clarke ECommerce and Software Consultant TN38 Consulting http://www.tn38.net http://blog.tn38.net Creative Media Centre 17-19 Robertson Street Hastings East Sussex TN34 1HL United Kingdom -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lea de Groot Sent: 08 December 2005 06:55 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards On 08/12/2005, at 12:54 PM, Paul Bennett wrote: Trolling? Well, it isn't the first thing that occurred to me! I've often wondered why it is that Google doesn't validate. I mean its not as if they were just a couple of errors, and we could all just shake it off - they are no where near validating. Lets just look at the home page (although I'm not aware of any of their other products that are an improvement). 51 errors - *51*! On around the same number of lines of markup! For a company with the motto of 'do no evil', its embarrassing no less, and they should pick up their act. Can anyone think of a single sane reason why their pages are nowhere near compliant? Lea ~ why, yes, I do like changing the subject line ;) -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS - Fixing PNG Transparency Issues in IE?
But what if Java is disabled in browser ? Maybe you should try this then - http://koivi.com/ie-png-transparency/ 2005/12/8, Matthew Cruickshank [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Artemis wrote: If anyone knows anything about this htc file, if it would be good to use, how exactly it works, and where I might find a bit more information about it I would be ever so appreciative :) http://webfx.eae.net/dhtml/pngbehavior/pngbehavior.html .Matthew Cruickshank http://holloway.co.nz/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards
On 08/12/2005, at 5:35 PM, Bert Doorn wrote: Just thinking Google may fall into this category as it's obviously script driven. Yeah, its probably mostly that - they are back end coders and aren't aware of the front end issues. But - this is *Google*!! They are hiring the best of breed. I can't believe that no one over there has ever come across WaSP et al. :( Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Problems styling dl's
Hi all, I am very partial to definition lists for staff lists and staff profiles but I'm having some problems getting them to work. Eg. http://www.business.ecu.edu.au/schools/mtl/staff/index.htm and http://www.business.ecu.edu.au/schools/mtl/staff/spettigrew.htm In IE I get the 3px jog and in FF dd's that are shorter than their corresponding dt float upwards messing up the alignment. I've tried applying the 3px jog fix but either the whole page falls apart or theres no change. CSS: http://www.business.ecu.edu.au/styles/profile.css Is this doable or should I be looking for an alternative way to make lists? I would like to make it work. Regards, Sean. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] edit standard based website for client
Hi all, I was playing with a demo style master that generates quite good standard websites. If you build such websites for customers, I have noticed that opening the page in dream weaver would push everything all over the place on the screen (see screen shot), which becomes very hard for a non web person (end user, beginner) to preview, edit...unless you big in the source... let's say that you have to built sites that are going to be maintained by non-techies, and you know they are going to use Dream weaver, what should you do? Is there any other ways? Can't we have something like style master that also let you edit the content on the screen?? regards Frederic attachment: screen.jpg
Re: [WSG] Need help with form
Well it seems you must have fixed it because Cynthia Says is passing you at Triple A. Regards, Ric Kim Kruse wrote: Hi, I thought I've done everything correct with my forms... but no. So now I'm trying to figure out why Cynthia/WEBXACT fails my form pages. I just don't understand what it is I'm supposed to do with these forms. So if someone would tell me what it is I need to do to make cynthia happy and me understand I'll be happy too. http://mouseriders.dk/check.php Thanks Kim ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] edit standard based website for client
Frederic, on Thursday, December 8, 2005 at 11:32 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: let's say that you have to built sites that are going to be maintained by non-techies, and you know they are going to use Dream weaver, what should you do? Upgrade Dreamweaver/Contribute to the current version and try to keep the design simple... (The preview mode is much better than in the former versions, but still not perfect) Is there any other ways? Configure a cms for your client. There are some standard conform, open source cms out there. (For example: textpattern, drupal (php based), apache lenya (java based), ...) regards Martin ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards
Hi Having a valid frontend has nothing to do with whether an organisation attempts to be socially responsible. I'm sure there are heaps of slightly dodgy organisations out there that hire programmers who understand standards. I think the Google question more comes down to if you are on to a good thing, don't change it CheersJamesOn 12/8/05, Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For a company with the motto of 'do no evil', its embarrassing noless, and they should pick up their act.
Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards
On 08/12/2005, at 10:29 PM, James Ellis wrote: Having a valid frontend has nothing to do with whether an organisation attempts to be socially responsible. I'm sure there are heaps of slightly dodgy organisations out there that hire programmers who understand standards. See, thats where I differ - I think that to say 'we do this other stuff thats Good, so we don't have to worry about something as trivial as Web Standards'[1] undermines all our work, which we like to think makes the world a Better Place. By declining to support Standards they implicitly state that it isn't important, and as I think it Is important, I feel they are not doing good, they are doing... that other thing ;) By being a big company (and by golly by market valuation they are absolutely Huge these days!) they implicitly make a massive statement about the value of something simply by ignoring it :( Lea [1] And, I must point out, in fact, they don't say any such thing - as usual they don't say anything at all about the matter. No one knows why they've never spent the 2.5 hours required to bring at least the home page up to standards... Lea de Groot -- Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards
Makes it interesting when you are trying to sell clients "validated" code and web sites if they ask "does Google have validated code?". Regards, Ric James Ellis wrote: Hi Having a valid frontend has nothing to do with whether an organisation attempts to be socially responsible. I'm sure there are heaps of slightly dodgy organisations out there that hire programmers who understand standards. I think the Google question more comes down to "if you are on to a good thing, don't change it " Cheers James On 12/8/05, Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For a company with the motto of 'do no evil', its embarrassing no less, and they should pick up their act.
Re: [WSG] Lengthy form buttons
I must add, they work fine in IE / XP , if you are using the 'windows classic' theme (without the fancy round buttons) Just to be more specific :D Spark! On 12/7/05, Ben Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 08/12/05, Tim Burgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have a clue as to why this happens: *I think* it's something to do with a different implementation of XP Visual Styles in Trident, but I don't know what the specific problem is (it could be as little as being a bug in the IE themes implementation that they just didn't fix, really). As far as I know IE uses a different interface to get the themed buttons than that of other Windows applications (note that the buttons are themed fine in Firefox and scale pretty well). The only way I can think to get around it would be to style the buttons with CSS, but you'll have to sacrifice the native look. Ben http://ben-ward.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- [web] http://synapsisdi.com.br [livesets] http://djspark.com.br ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards
I think that Google's failure to validate may be due to the simple issue of bandwidth. Certainly on the main page, the whole source is compressed and effectively minimised. Bandwidth is expensive these days. Inserting a doctype, separating style data, that sort of thing, takes a lot of additional bandwidth when you're dealing with hits in the quantities that they do. Plus I don't think there's been a *code* change in there for years - apathy beats everything again. -mjec -- http://mine.mjec.net/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards
From: Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, it isn't the first thing that occurred to me! I've often wondered why it is that Google doesn't validate. I mean its not as if they were just a couple of errors, and we could all just shake it off - they are no where near validating. Lets just look at the home page (although I'm not aware of any of their other products that are an improvement). 51 errors - *51*! On around the same number of lines of markup! For a company with the motto of 'do no evil', its embarrassing no less, and they should pick up their act. 51 errors is true, but misleading. There is a pattern to the errors and most of them are repetitive. Can anyone think of a single sane reason why their pages are nowhere near compliant? Probably because it works as it is. Given the sheer size of its market, I would say that Google's validation failures make a large statement about standards in a real-world context. But if I were you, I'd get in touch with Google and really lay into them about this :-) Al Sparber PVII http://www.projectseven.com Designing with CSS is sometimes like barreling down a crumbling mountain road at 90 miles per hour secure in the knowledge that repairs are scheduled for next Tuesday. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards
G'day Michael Cordover wrote: I think that Google's failure to validate may be due to the simple issue of bandwidth. Certainly on the main page, the whole source is compressed and effectively minimised. Bandwidth is expensive these days. Inserting a doctype, separating style data, that sort of thing, takes a lot of additional bandwidth when you're dealing with hits in the quantities that they do. I don't follow your logic. Bandwidth is getting cheaper and cheaper, at least where I live. Getting rid of tables, font elements etc is likely to make their pages lighter, rather than heavier, especially when all presentation and behaviour is moved into (cached) external style sheet(s) javascript file(s) respectively. Downloading a style sheet once, or downloading all the presentational code on every page view - which one is going to cost them more in bandwidth? Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ Fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Image replacement and google
Anyone know what the current status is with image replacement techniques and google? Do you get penalized? Barrie North Compass Design www.compassdesigns.net ~Professional, affordable web design~
Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards
On 12/8/05, Bert Doorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day Michael Cordover wrote: I think that Google's failure to validate may be due to the simple issue of bandwidth. Certainly on the main page, the whole source is compressed and effectively minimised. Bandwidth is expensive these days. Inserting a doctype, separating style data, that sort of thing, takes a lot of additional bandwidth when you're dealing with hits in the quantities that they do. I don't follow your logic. Bandwidth is getting cheaper and cheaper, at least where I live. Getting rid of tables, font elements etc is likely to make their pages lighter, rather than heavier, especially when all presentation and behaviour is moved into (cached) external style sheet(s) javascript file(s) respectively. Downloading a style sheet once, or downloading all the presentational code on every page view - which one is going to cost them more in bandwidth? Valid CSS based design would definitely improve Google's speed, not hamper it. I think the reason Google doesn't care is just that they are already profitable as it is. Companies like Google are driven by profit and they are the market leader in what they do. If I went to Google and told them that changing their front end would allow them to reach more customer and become more profitable, they wouldn't see the need. And though they have a good laugh with the do no evil foolery, they don't really care if their markup is inaccessible. Someone mentioned they are back-end programmers, and from dealing with back-end programmers at school, I know that most of them consider HTML to be really easy and pointless so they don't bother or care to learn how to use HTML correctly. If I told them how complex HTML/XHTML/CSS really is they would think I was crazy. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] real xhtml - last question!
. . . before I go back to html 2.0!
But seriously, in my continuing quest to understand/get a feeling for
mime types etc, I've made two files now : thearea.html and
thearea.xhtml. What I did was to make the xhtml first, validate it
etc, then save as html as well. So the two files are identical, apart
from the extension.
The first file,
http://www.rhh.myzen.co.uk/rhh/thearea/thearea.xhtml
is served as application/xhtml+xml, whereas the second,
http://www.rhh.myzen.co.uk/rhh/thearea/thearea.html
is served as text/html. Which is what I wanted. So, apart from the
extension, the files are identical. However, the css behaves
differently - the body background colour is not showing in the xhtml
version, but the background image shows OK . . .
The CSS is simple:
body{
font : 14px/20px Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
color : #333;
background: #e3ffe3 url(../rhhframes/415e3ebkgrnd.jpg) repeat-x
fixed left top;
}
Is this to do with relative and absolute links again, or what?
AND, is there a 'list' of things which happen in 'real' xhtml but not
in text/html? I've tried to search for the answer, but I just get
swamped with the usual differences (backslashes and so on).
OK, I'll shut up now . . .
Thanks for your patience.
Best Regards,
Bob McClelland
Cornwall (UK)
www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk
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Re: [WSG] Image replacement and google
Anyone know what the current status is with image replacement techniques and google? See http://www.threadwatch.org/node/4313 + comments. Do you get penalized? No. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] real xhtml - last question!
Thanks for persuing this, i'm trying to understand, too.
designer wrote:
. . . before I go back to html 2.0!
But seriously, in my continuing quest to understand/get a feeling for mime types
etc, I've made two files now : thearea.html and thearea.xhtml. What I did was
to make the xhtml first, validate it etc, then save as html as well. So the two
files are identical, apart from the extension.
The first file,
http://www.rhh.myzen.co.uk/rhh/thearea/thearea.xhtml
in this one, in mozilla it shows fine, BUT in IE6 i get the invitation
to download the file. ;) (with background, too, in mozilla)
is served as application/xhtml+xml, whereas the second,
http://www.rhh.myzen.co.uk/rhh/thearea/thearea.html
in mozilla and IE6 i get it fine, and the background, also, in both
browsers.
is served as text/html. Which is what I wanted. So, apart from the extension,
the files are identical. However, the css behaves differently - the body
background colour is not showing in the xhtml version, but the background image
shows OK . . .
The CSS is simple:
body{
font : 14px/20px Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
color : #333;
background: #e3ffe3 url(../rhhframes/415e3ebkgrnd.jpg) repeat-x fixed left
top;
}
Is this to do with relative and absolute links again, or what?
AND, is there a 'list' of things which happen in 'real' xhtml but not in
text/html? I've tried to search for the answer, but I just get swamped with the
usual differences (backslashes and so on).
cheers
Donna
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Re: [WSG] real xhtml - last question!
is there a 'list' of things which happen in 'real' xhtml but not in text/html? http://www.mozilla.org/docs/web-developer/faq.html#xhtmldiff http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2003/03/19/dive-into-xml.html -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] real xhtml - last question!
Thanks Jan, Marvelous information! I now see why my 'body' background colour doesn't work - it has to be on html as well. Of course, this means that the background isn't fixed in IE any more, but I suppose we should expect that! :-) Jan Brasna wrote: is there a 'list' of things which happen in 'real' xhtml but not in text/html? http://www.mozilla.org/docs/web-developer/faq.html#xhtmldiff http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2003/03/19/dive-into-xml.html -- Best Regards, Bob McClelland Cornwall (UK) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards
On 09/12/2005, at 12:20 AM, Al Sparber wrote: But if I were you, I'd get in touch with Google and really lay into them about this :-) What, when I can whinge on a mailing list? No, no - I'm leading open and earnest discussion, honest I am ;) OK, OK, I'll try to figure out what email address to use later today :) Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards
Well, if they don't know about it already, consider Gmail conspiracy theories disproved ;-) On 12/9/05, Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 09/12/2005, at 12:20 AM, Al Sparber wrote: But if I were you, I'd get in touch with Google and really lay into them about this :-) What, when I can whinge on a mailing list? No, no - I'm leading open and earnest discussion, honest I am ;) OK, OK, I'll try to figure out what email address to use later today :) Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Joshua Street http://www.joahua.com/ +61 (0) 425 808 469 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What?
One site that I'm currently coding (http://www.minimology.co.uk/everest) uses some simple PHP to manage a few dynamic elements on the pages. One of these elements (will be | is) 2 Sponsors logos at the top of each page which will go into the template. I want the links to be randomly selected from a list and to use an FIR derivation to show the relevant company logos in an accessible manner. I also, however, want the user to be able to edit an xml file describing the attributes of the various sponsors and to add new ones. Normally I would define the FIR images in a linked x.css file but this is not scriptable. How does the list suggest the tags should be styled in this case? * Inline stylesheets? * Linked .php with content-type of text/css? * style= attribute? Any thoughts?? Thanks Stephen ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] real xhtml - last question!
designer wrote: However, the css behaves differently - the body background colour is not showing in the xhtml version, but the background image shows OK . . . ... Is this to do with relative and absolute links again, or what? No, that was when I linked to the content-type proxy. The relative paths didn't work because the page was routed through a different server. -- Lachlan Hunt http://lachy.id.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] problems!!!
Thanx Bert for all your help...
Gerardo
-Mensaje original-
De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
En nombre de gchairez
Enviado el: Jueves, 08 de Diciembre de 2005 01:21 a.m.
Para: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Asunto: RE: [WSG] problems!!!
Well, you fixed another problem that I had... :-)
But I still having the problem...
The thing is this...
The Bienvenidos text and the photo are in one line,
The next line are quienes somos and nuestros clients (This two should be
displayed in the same line, without being one higher than the other)
The next line are nuestros servicios and the photo, these two again
shouldnt be displayed on different topor bottom levels...
And noticias should be after the photo and not wrap around...
I updated the link
http://www.addictivemedia.com.mx/limpeq/
-Mensaje original-
De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
En nombre de Bert Doorn
Enviado el: Miércoles, 07 de Diciembre de 2005 10:46 p.m.
Para: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Asunto: Re: [WSG] problems!!!
G'day again
Thanx for your response Bert,
My problem is this: If I display the page on 800*600 it would look
correct, the thing is when I use a higher resolution as 1024*786 or
bigger... the quienes somos text would move right below the
bienvenidos
section, I need that the twocols items display on the same line,
Looking at it with resolution of 1152*864. I see what you mean,
if I enlarge the text.
Put a margin-left on #columnMain then, equal to the amount of
space you want to reserve. Something like:
#columnMain { margin:0 0 0 120px; }
Or am I looking at the wrong problem?
Regards
--
Bert Doorn, Better Web Design
http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/
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Re: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What?
Just use ALT text? Isn't that accessible enough? Or am I not understanding what you're trying to do... Josh p.s. Cool flowed-frame text! On 12/9/05, Stephen Stagg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One site that I'm currently coding (http://www.minimology.co.uk/everest) uses some simple PHP to manage a few dynamic elements on the pages. One of these elements (will be | is) 2 Sponsors logos at the top of each page which will go into the template. I want the links to be randomly selected from a list and to use an FIR derivation to show the relevant company logos in an accessible manner. I also, however, want the user to be able to edit an xml file describing the attributes of the various sponsors and to add new ones. Normally I would define the FIR images in a linked x.css file but this is not scriptable. How does the list suggest the tags should be styled in this case? * Inline stylesheets? * Linked .php with content-type of text/css? * style= attribute? Any thoughts?? Thanks Stephen ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Joshua Street http://www.joahua.com/ +61 (0) 425 808 469 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] matter of Semantics
I've been thinking what should be the best term for Sitemap coz I've had some clients asking me if they are gonna have in that section a localization map. Probably the best term would be Index, what do you guys think? Gerardo Chairez This message has been scanned by BitDefender and found to be clean. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What?
Thx :) Semantically, I thought it better to have like: a href=http://www.xyzcorp.com; ... class=sponsor xyzcorpXYZCorp/a and then stylistically 'overload' this with a nice GIF. Perhaps not? I don't know. Joshua Street wrote: Just use ALT text? Isn't that accessible enough? Or am I not understanding what you're trying to do... Josh p.s. Cool flowed-frame text! On 12/9/05, Stephen Stagg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One site that I'm currently coding (http://www.minimology.co.uk/everest) uses some simple PHP to manage a few dynamic elements on the pages. One of these elements (will be | is) 2 Sponsors logos at the top of each page which will go into the template. I want the links to be randomly selected from a list and to use an FIR derivation to show the relevant company logos in an accessible manner. I also, however, want the user to be able to edit an xml file describing the attributes of the various sponsors and to add new ones. Normally I would define the FIR images in a linked x.css file but this is not scriptable. How does the list suggest the tags should be styled in this case? * Inline stylesheets? * Linked .php with content-type of text/css? * style= attribute? Any thoughts?? Thanks Stephen ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Joshua Street http://www.joahua.com/ +61 (0) 425 808 469 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What?
Well, the markup is a bit lighter, but img doesn't really carry any semantic baggage, so if you just use appropriate alt text that's a perfectly acceptable (and probably the simplest, from your perspective) way to do things, IMHO of course. On 12/9/05, Stephen Stagg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thx :) Semantically, I thought it better to have like: a href=http://www.xyzcorp.com; ... class=sponsor xyzcorpXYZCorp/a and then stylistically 'overload' this with a nice GIF. Perhaps not? I don't know. Joshua Street wrote: Just use ALT text? Isn't that accessible enough? Or am I not understanding what you're trying to do... Josh p.s. Cool flowed-frame text! On 12/9/05, Stephen Stagg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One site that I'm currently coding (http://www.minimology.co.uk/everest) uses some simple PHP to manage a few dynamic elements on the pages. One of these elements (will be | is) 2 Sponsors logos at the top of each page which will go into the template. I want the links to be randomly selected from a list and to use an FIR derivation to show the relevant company logos in an accessible manner. I also, however, want the user to be able to edit an xml file describing the attributes of the various sponsors and to add new ones. Normally I would define the FIR images in a linked x.css file but this is not scriptable. How does the list suggest the tags should be styled in this case? * Inline stylesheets? * Linked .php with content-type of text/css? * style= attribute? Any thoughts?? Thanks Stephen ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] matter of Semantics
That just sounds like ignorance to me but perhaps they'd be more comfortable with Table of Contents, given that most site maps are nothing more than this anyway? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gerardo Chairez [Addictive Media] Sent: Friday, 9 December 2005 12:40 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] matter of Semantics I've been thinking what should be the best term for Sitemap coz I've had some clients asking me if they are gonna have in that section a localization map. Probably the best term would be Index, what do you guys think? Gerardo Chairez This message has been scanned by BitDefender and found to be clean. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] matter of Semantics
Unless your site is about physical location, stick with 'site map' - many (not all of course) users will understand it to be a structural representation of the current website. It sounds like your clients aren't heavy web users, which is fine. You might just need to explain that the terminology is quite common and many people will know what it is. Of course, what you may really need to do is consider whether you need a site map ;) An index is a different thing entirely - usually a listing of the site, not in hierarchical form. The most common type of index is alphabetical, but you can do other types of index. I have a website that does list out 'sites' - it is for a market, and people can book their site. That was interesting to label. Donna On Thu Dec 08 17:40:14 PST 2005, Gerardo Chairez [Addictive Media] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been thinking what should be the best term for Sitemap coz I've had some clients asking me if they are gonna have in that section a localization map. Probably the best term would be Index, what do you guys think? Gerardo Chairez
Re: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What?
Stephen, Several options actually are available on the PHP side. -- you CAN script the CSS to select the appropriate background image. -- multiple css files, use php to call the appropriate one. I have an example available if you're interested. Linda (breaking away from normal lurk mode) - Original Message - From: Stephen Stagg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WSG wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 4:12 PM Subject: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What? One site that I'm currently coding (http://www.minimology.co.uk/everest) uses some simple PHP to manage a few dynamic elements on the pages. One of these elements (will be | is) 2 Sponsors logos at the top of each page which will go into the template. I want the links to be randomly selected from a list and to use an FIR derivation to show the relevant company logos in an accessible manner. I also, however, want the user to be able to edit an xml file describing the attributes of the various sponsors and to add new ones. Normally I would define the FIR images in a linked x.css file but this is not scriptable. How does the list suggest the tags should be styled in this case? * Inline stylesheets? * Linked .php with content-type of text/css? * style= attribute? Any thoughts?? Thanks Stephen ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/194 - Release Date: 12/7/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/194 - Release Date: 12/7/2005 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What?
In fact, I chickened out and used the IMG tag solution. however My web host uses PHP as a CGI module, I think, therefore, that it only handles files with .php extension? Stephen Linda Harms wrote: Stephen, Several options actually are available on the PHP side. -- you CAN script the CSS to select the appropriate background image. -- multiple css files, use php to call the appropriate one. I have an example available if you're interested. Linda (breaking away from normal lurk mode) - Original Message - From: Stephen Stagg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WSG wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 4:12 PM Subject: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What? One site that I'm currently coding (http://www.minimology.co.uk/everest) uses some simple PHP to manage a few dynamic elements on the pages. One of these elements (will be | is) 2 Sponsors logos at the top of each page which will go into the template. I want the links to be randomly selected from a list and to use an FIR derivation to show the relevant company logos in an accessible manner. I also, however, want the user to be able to edit an xml file describing the attributes of the various sponsors and to add new ones. Normally I would define the FIR images in a linked x.css file but this is not scriptable. How does the list suggest the tags should be styled in this case? * Inline stylesheets? * Linked .php with content-type of text/css? * style= attribute? Any thoughts?? Thanks Stephen ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/194 - Release Date: 12/7/2005 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS - Fixing PNG Transparency Issues in IE?
Srecko Micic wrote: But what if Java is disabled in browser ? Then it won't work anyway, because all methods I've seen use progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader() which is itself a call via Javascript. (fairly sure that's the case) .Matthew Cruickshank http://holloway.co.nz/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What?
I think you can configure Apache to parse whatever file extensions you like as PHP, in other words you configure it with the hosting application, the CGI module should not care what it's receiving. Stephen Stagg wrote: In fact, I chickened out and used the IMG tag solution. however My web host uses PHP as a CGI module, I think, therefore, that it only handles files with .php extension? Stephen Linda Harms wrote: Stephen, Several options actually are available on the PHP side. -- you CAN script the CSS to select the appropriate background image. -- multiple css files, use php to call the appropriate one. I have an example available if you're interested. Linda (breaking away from normal lurk mode) - Original Message - From: Stephen Stagg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WSG wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 4:12 PM Subject: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What? One site that I'm currently coding (http://www.minimology.co.uk/everest) uses some simple PHP to manage a few dynamic elements on the pages. One of these elements (will be | is) 2 Sponsors logos at the top of each page which will go into the template. I want the links to be randomly selected from a list and to use an FIR derivation to show the relevant company logos in an accessible manner. I also, however, want the user to be able to edit an xml file describing the attributes of the various sponsors and to add new ones. Normally I would define the FIR images in a linked x.css file but this is not scriptable. How does the list suggest the tags should be styled in this case? * Inline stylesheets? * Linked .php with content-type of text/css? * style= attribute? Any thoughts?? Thanks Stephen ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/194 - Release Date: 12/7/2005 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What?
Not so. It depends on Apache and how it's configured. You can check how PHP is set up by creating a new PHP page and just inlcude the following: ?php phpinfo() ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Stagg Sent: Friday, 9 December 2005 11:25 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What? In fact, I chickened out and used the IMG tag solution. however My web host uses PHP as a CGI module, I think, therefore, that it only handles files with .php extension? Stephen Linda Harms wrote: Stephen, Several options actually are available on the PHP side. -- you CAN script the CSS to select the appropriate background image. -- multiple css files, use php to call the appropriate one. I have an example available if you're interested. Linda (breaking away from normal lurk mode) - Original Message - From: Stephen Stagg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WSG wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 4:12 PM Subject: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What? One site that I'm currently coding (http://www.minimology.co.uk/everest) uses some simple PHP to manage a few dynamic elements on the pages. One of these elements (will be | is) 2 Sponsors logos at the top of each page which will go into the template. I want the links to be randomly selected from a list and to use an FIR derivation to show the relevant company logos in an accessible manner. I also, however, want the user to be able to edit an xml file describing the attributes of the various sponsors and to add new ones. Normally I would define the FIR images in a linked x.css file but this is not scriptable. How does the list suggest the tags should be styled in this case? * Inline stylesheets? * Linked .php with content-type of text/css? * style= attribute? Any thoughts?? Thanks Stephen ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/194 - Release Date: 12/7/2005 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What? -
should be fine. I end with .php as my editor is much friendlier with that. See: www.dartmouthdigital.com/phpclass/week3.php. This class project was to deliver different content based on browsers, so you'll get one of 6 themes. In each of the themes, the banner is selected randomly - via css background images in a separate random image css file. for your variant, if not using a DB, and without getting too tricky (because I'm really new to php!): build an array with the link and text, (from a text /xml file or php include files that you've taught your users to do) name the images by number - matching the array position. -- or two arrays with a better file name -- or someone teach me how to do more than two dimensions in a php array. ) select two random numbers - make sure they're not the same. create the css plugging in the correct file name, create the html code plugging in the correct text and link name Code page is linked from the demo. Linda - Original Message - From: Stephen Stagg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What? In fact, I chickened out and used the IMG tag solution. however My web host uses PHP as a CGI module, I think, therefore, that it only handles files with .php extension? Stephen Linda Harms wrote: Stephen, Several options actually are available on the PHP side. -- you CAN script the CSS to select the appropriate background image. -- multiple css files, use php to call the appropriate one. I have an example available if you're interested. Linda (breaking away from normal lurk mode) - Original Message - From: Stephen Stagg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WSG wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 4:12 PM Subject: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What? One site that I'm currently coding (http://www.minimology.co.uk/everest) uses some simple PHP to manage a few dynamic elements on the pages. One of these elements (will be | is) 2 Sponsors logos at the top of each page which will go into the template. I want the links to be randomly selected from a list and to use an FIR derivation to show the relevant company logos in an accessible manner. I also, however, want the user to be able to edit an xml file describing the attributes of the various sponsors and to add new ones. Normally I would define the FIR images in a linked x.css file but this is not scriptable. How does the list suggest the tags should be styled in this case? * Inline stylesheets? * Linked .php with content-type of text/css? * style= attribute? Any thoughts?? Thanks Stephen ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/194 - Release Date: 12/7/2005 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/194 - Release Date: 12/7/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/194 - Release Date: 12/7/2005 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] styling auto-generated .net id values
Hi everyone, Just wondering if anyone else has come across the following problem and if so, how they fixed it? I'm working with a page that has auto-generated html from a .net engine that I then style up with css. In this case I need to reference one item on the page that has an id of #_1740__ctl2__1125. When I style this up in Firefox it works fine. But it seems that IE gets stuck somewhere on the underscores and ignores the rule. I can't change the underscores because it is .net generated - even though yes, I know that underscores are not recommended as id values. Can anyone help me on how I would get around this? Thanks, Rachel p.s. I don't have the option of ditching IE support!! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] styling auto-generated .net id values
From: Rachel Radford one item on the page that has an id of #_1740__ctl2__1125 in Firefox it works fine. IE gets stuck somewhere on the underscores and ignores the rule ID and class names can't start with a number either, I wonder if that is part of the problem, after the underscore the first char is a number. It seems the only sensible and ongoing way of fixing this is to generate IDs that aren't problematic. Fix the problem at the source as it were. -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards
What, when I can whinge on a mailing list? No, no - I'm leading open and earnest discussion, honest I am ;) OK, OK, I'll try to figure out what email address to use later today :) Yeah, good luck finding usable contact details on their site ;) As far as I can tell, Google doesn't write valid/accessible markup since a) there's no money in it for them, or at least not enough that they care; and b) the average punter won't give it any cool points. Google is motivated by money and cool. Standards don't get either one. man, I think I need a beer now ;) h -- --- http://www.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] styling auto-generated .net id values
From: Rachel Radford page that has an id of #_1740__ctl2__1125 Just to follow up on the underscore thing... From the W3C HTML 4.01 recommendation ID and NAME tokens must begin with a letter ([A-Za-z]) and may be followed by any number of letters, digits ([0-9]), hyphens (-), underscores (_), colons (:), and periods (.). So there's your problem, invalid markup, so no suprise when it fails to function properly in use. You have to fix the server-side generation of the bad IDs to have any real hope of this being able to work reliably across a range of browsers, other than by good luck. -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] styling auto-generated .net id values
I'd recommend not styling with the generated ids and using classes instead. On 12/9/05, Rachel Radford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, Just wondering if anyone else has come across the following problem and if so, how they fixed it? I'm working with a page that has auto-generated html from a .net engine that I then style up with css. In this case I need to reference one item on the page that has an id of #_1740__ctl2__1125. When I style this up in Firefox it works fine. But it seems that IE gets stuck somewhere on the underscores and ignores the rule. I can't change the underscores because it is .net generated - even though yes, I know that underscores are not recommended as id values. Can anyone help me on how I would get around this? Thanks, Rachel p.s. I don't have the option of ditching IE support!! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Ben Wong e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://blog.onehero.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] styling auto-generated .net id values
Rachel Radford wrote:
I'm working with a page that has auto-generated html from a .net engine that
I then style up with css. In this case I need to reference one item on the
page that has an id of #_1740__ctl2__1125. When I style this up in Firefox
it works fine. But it seems that IE gets stuck somewhere on the underscores
and ignores the rule. I can't change the underscores because it is .net
generated - even though yes, I know that underscores are not recommended as
id values. Can anyone help me on how I would get around this?
Reference it via some method other than #ID, such as Class.
If you need need #IDs you could generate a div within your selected
frame by calling a function that optionally drawn html. Eg, (I haven't
done C# for months and don't have a place to test this)
In ASPX:
div id="%# checkItem(DataBinder.Eval(Container,
"ItemIndex")) %"
...
/div
and in codebehind,
protected void checkItem(object itemIndex)
{
int itemItemInt = int.parse(itemIndex);
if(itemIndexInt == yourItemNumber)
{
return "div id=\"myId\"";
}
}
.Matthew Cruickshank
http://holloway.co.nz/
Re: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What?
.htaccess maybe? On 12/9/05, Paul Noone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not so. It depends on Apache and how it's configured. You can check how PHP is set up by creating a new PHP page and just inlcude the following: ?php phpinfo() ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Stagg Sent: Friday, 9 December 2005 11:25 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What? In fact, I chickened out and used the IMG tag solution. however My web host uses PHP as a CGI module, I think, therefore, that it only handles files with .php extension? Stephen Linda Harms wrote: Stephen, Several options actually are available on the PHP side. -- you CAN script the CSS to select the appropriate background image. -- multiple css files, use php to call the appropriate one. I have an example available if you're interested. Linda (breaking away from normal lurk mode) - Original Message - From: Stephen Stagg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WSG wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 4:12 PM Subject: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What? One site that I'm currently coding (http://www.minimology.co.uk/everest) uses some simple PHP to manage a few dynamic elements on the pages. One of these elements (will be | is) 2 Sponsors logos at the top of each page which will go into the template. I want the links to be randomly selected from a list and to use an FIR derivation to show the relevant company logos in an accessible manner. I also, however, want the user to be able to edit an xml file describing the attributes of the various sponsors and to add new ones. Normally I would define the FIR images in a linked x.css file but this is not scriptable. How does the list suggest the tags should be styled in this case? * Inline stylesheets? * Linked .php with content-type of text/css? * style= attribute? Any thoughts?? Thanks Stephen ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/194 - Release Date: 12/7/2005 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Joshua Street http://www.joahua.com/ +61 (0) 425 808 469 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
ADMIN - thread closedRe: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What?
On 09/12/2005, at 2:42 PM, Joshua Street wrote: .htaccess maybe? Yep, the syntax is: AddType application/x-httpd-php .html .htm .whateverExtension This part of the thread is closed, please - we're way off topic! warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Core Group Member ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards
OK, OK, I'll try to figure out what email address to use later today :) Interesting timing rumour is that http://www.google.com/ig is going to become their new My Google style portal page. The markup still stinks. h -- --- http://weblog.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS - Fixing PNG Transparency Issues in IE?
On 12/8/05, Matthew Cruickshank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Srecko Micic wrote: But what if Java is disabled in browser ? Then it won't work anyway, because all methods I've seen use progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader() which is itself a call via Javascript. (fairly sure that's the case) I'm not sure you are right. I thought DX was a call to DirectX, not Javascript, so the filter relies on the user having DirectX installed. If JS is off it should still work. Anyone else concur? -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] problems!!!
G'day again
Thanx for your response Bert,
My problem is this: If I display the page on 800*600 it would look
correct, the thing is when I use a higher resolution as 1024*786 or
bigger... the quienes somos text would move right below the bienvenidos
section, I need that the twocols items display on the same line,
Looking at it with resolution of 1152*864. I see what you mean,
if I enlarge the text.
Put a margin-left on #columnMain then, equal to the amount of
space you want to reserve. Something like:
#columnMain { margin:0 0 0 120px; }
Or am I looking at the wrong problem?
Regards
--
Bert Doorn, Better Web Design
http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/
Fast-loading, user-friendly websites
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Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards
On 12/9/05, heretic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, OK, I'll try to figure out what email address to use later today :) Interesting timing rumour is that http://www.google.com/ig is going to become their new My Google style portal page. The markup still stinks. That has been around for a long time, and isn't much different from similar portals like start.com or netvibes. Ajax based applications like that make me think of: http://www.usabilityviews.com/ajaxsucks.html When companies are using Ajax, they usually have already thrown accessibility out the door. It's not often you see Ajax applications with good, accessible fallbacks. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
