Re: [WSG] BBC in Beta
Hi Everyone, Just a quick note to let you know I was the one who posted the BBC link, but I have nothing to do with the BBC whatsoever. So if you want to send private feedback to the BBC, please do it direct to their webteam, or whoever is responsible for testing the Beta, whom unfortunately I dont have any contact details for. I just came across the Beta site from one of my clients and I thought I would share it here with you guys to get some conversation going. Maybe someone can invite the BBC to join the conversation. As I said, this is nothing to do with me, I dont work for the BBC so please dont direct comments about the new site to me. As for the site. I agree the colour changing is a bit annoying but for the design, it may be dated and not leading the pack and done to death in a lot of IT websites etc, but I think for the general public who this site is aimed at most will like it. I actually quite like that look and dont see it around as often as some of you seem to do. But time will tell. Apart from that I too agree the font sizing and the lack of support at 800x600 is annoying. The BBC has been my example site of why you should still design for 800 for a while now!! Particularly to those clients who have large widescreen monitors! Paul *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] BBC in Beta
Seems like someone is listening! The color buttons is gone and a few other things changed. Paul McCann skrev: Hi Everyone, Just a quick note to let you know I was the one who posted the BBC link, but I have nothing to do with the BBC whatsoever. So if you want to send private feedback to the BBC, please do it direct to their webteam, or whoever is responsible for testing the Beta, whom unfortunately I dont have any contact details for. I just came across the Beta site from one of my clients and I thought I would share it here with you guys to get some conversation going. Maybe someone can invite the BBC to join the conversation. As I said, this is nothing to do with me, I dont work for the BBC so please dont direct comments about the new site to me. As for the site. I agree the colour changing is a bit annoying but for the design, it may be dated and not leading the pack and done to death in a lot of IT websites etc, but I think for the general public who this site is aimed at most will like it. I actually quite like that look and dont see it around as often as some of you seem to do. But time will tell. Apart from that I too agree the font sizing and the lack of support at 800x600 is annoying. The BBC has been my example site of why you should still design for 800 for a while now!! Particularly to those clients who have large widescreen monitors! Paul *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] BBC in Beta
Seems like someone is listening! The color buttons is gone No they're not. Unless you're referring to something different. -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] BBC in Beta
A few things I noticed (being ultra-critical perhaps at this stage): First three links on the page are invisible skip links that don't show up, even on focus, plus there's another hidden link to accesskey definitions after the accessibility help link. On the separate modules, it's initially confusing that clicking on the expand/contract triangle and clicking on the actual heading itself has different effects. I'd have expected clicking on a heading to trigger the expand/contract, not take me to that particular section on the site (maybe it's just me). The design itself is not very subtle...the gradients are just a bit too heavy and give a bumpy appearance. The gradient in the chunky footer makes the text towards the bottom of the box (e.g. Healthy living, parenting...) a bit hard to read, as the contrast is far too low. Search box has no LABEL, but a title attribute of searchfield. They could have wrapped the text in the legend of the fieldset as an actual label, perhaps legendlabel for=searchfieldSearch/label/legend or just have a hidden (positioned off-screen) label for it (maybe with search terms as label text). Just navigating by keyboard and hitting Reset homepage brings up the lightbox-style confirm/cancel dialog. However, the focus isn't set to this box, to tabbing simply cycles through the *whole* page's links (behind the dimmed fog of war) before finally getting focus on the actual confirm/cancel buttons. Speaking of buttons, confirm/cancel, reset homepage, save changes, cancel, edit etc should possibly be actual BUTTON elements, not regular A links (for the purists concerned with the distinction between links going somewhere and buttons performing an action). Hitting the edit buttons when a module is collapsed has no apparent effect, in which case they should remain hidden until expanded. Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor Enterprise Development University of Salford Room 113, Faraday House Salford, Greater Manchester M5 4WT UK T +44 (0) 161 295 4779 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.salford.ac.uk A GREATER MANCHESTER UNIVERSITY *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest
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Re: [WSG] BBC in Beta
Heads up, the BBC has a new site in Beta. http://www.bbc.co.uk/home/beta At my preferred setting for IE (accessibility mode at text-size largest) IE 7 cannot display the page and IE 6 is not a pretty picture. Best, ~dL -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] BBC in Beta
Well they are on my computer! (we're talking about the 4 colored buttons that changed the colors of the page... right?) John Faulds skrev: Seems like someone is listening! The color buttons is gone No they're not. Unless you're referring to something different. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] BBC in Beta
It's not working at all via iPhone, strangely. - Matthew Sent from my iPhone On 18 Dec 2007, at 18:31, Kim Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well they are on my computer! (we're talking about the 4 colored buttons that changed the colors of the page... right?) John Faulds skrev: Seems like someone is listening! The color buttons is gone No they're not. Unless you're referring to something different. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] BBC in Beta
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:30:21 +, Paul McCann wrote: Heads up, the BBC has a new site in Beta. http://www.bbc.co.uk/home/beta Thoughts/praise/comments :) It looks like they are doing some (unsuccessful?) browser sniffing. I get a mostly black and white page in Opera, and a brightly colored page in Firefox. Both IE6 and IE7 say that the page cannot be displayed. There's some vertical overflow of boxes in Opera, which displays text 25% larger than Firefox due to my OS setting of 120 DPI. Don't laugh at the sunny weaather icons. Sunny really looks like that in the UK. ;) Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] BBC in Beta
I have mixed feelings over this site, on first appearance I like the look esp the header and the colour changes Though I don't think its appropriate for the BBC, especially when alot of it seems to be a carbon copy of other sites. I hope there will be an option to theme the site 'classic' - so that it looks like the bbc site that I know and enjoy as is. its too clunky and makes poor use of space, whilst being wider it does not make effective use of the area. A different approach would enable text resizing as for that sunny image. Judging by today, greyer much much greyer. A proper english summer On 18/12/2007, Matthew Pennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not working at all via iPhone, strangely. - Matthew Sent from my iPhone On 18 Dec 2007, at 18:31, Kim Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well they are on my computer! (we're talking about the 4 colored buttons that changed the colors of the page... right?) John Faulds skrev: Seems like someone is listening! The color buttons is gone No they're not. Unless you're referring to something different. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] BBC in Beta
I pull up the site fine in IE. Opera looks ok with default settings. Text is a little high for the Read More link in blogs in Firefox Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 David Hucklesby wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:30:21 +, Paul McCann wrote: Heads up, the BBC has a new site in Beta. http://www.bbc.co.uk/home/beta Thoughts/praise/comments :) It looks like they are doing some (unsuccessful?) browser sniffing. I get a mostly black and white page in Opera, and a brightly colored page in Firefox. Both IE6 and IE7 say that the page cannot be displayed. There's some vertical overflow of boxes in Opera, which displays text 25% larger than Firefox due to my OS setting of 120 DPI. Don't laugh at the sunny weaather icons. Sunny really looks like that in the UK. ;) Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] BBC in Beta
Yeah, that's right. I can still see them and they still change the colour of the page. On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:31:49 +1000, Kim Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well they are on my computer! (we're talking about the 4 colored buttons that changed the colors of the page... right?) John Faulds skrev: snip No they're not. Unless you're referring to something different. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] BBC in Beta
Firefox: Yesterday it defaulted to lollipop green (*puke*), with coloured buttons. Today it's defaulting to black and white with NO coloured buttons; that whole div is just not there today. IE6: Defaults to black and white WITH coloured buttons. However the items showing and news stories are completely different to what I see in Firefox. Opera: Defaults to black and white WITH coloured buttons. The items and news are the same as in IE. So .. the default colour is different each time you go there ..? .. and depending on what browser you use, you get different boxes and different news .. ? .. and the div with the coloured buttons may or may not show up .. ? ... (I thought maybe AdBlock was interfering, but no, disabling it didn't affect anything.) I'm confused. libby On 12/19/07, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, that's right. I can still see them and they still change the colour of the page. On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:31:49 +1000, Kim Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well they are on my computer! (we're talking about the 4 colored buttons that changed the colors of the page... right?) John Faulds skrev: snip No they're not. Unless you're referring to something different. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] BBC in Beta
David Hucklesby wrote: I get a mostly black and white page in Opera, and a brightly colored page in Firefox. I'm seeing black and white in firefox. odd. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] strange css behavior
People may remember I'm working on an issue where when I click on one link on my site http://theatomicconservative.typepad.com/ other links such as Subscribe to this blogs feed turn red as if they were visited. Doing more testing I started changing the page without clicking on the link (ie putting the address directly in the browser) and the problem still occurs. I'm wondering if this gives anyone an idea what I should look at. -- Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] RE: BBC in Beta
Big improvement on the current BBC site. However, just a few little initial thoughts: - I really don't like the clock; it's so 1990s - we all have a clock on our computer/phone; I don't think it's needed. - I like the whole customisation/display options (though I think www.abc.net.au/news do it a little better - The CSS is not very well documented, if I were to come and develop on this site I would have a hard time coming to terms with the naming conventions given, and the lack of order; eg) typography, layout, various sections etc Looks like there is still a lot of work to be done overall; - things like signs of life link moves when you hover over it in FF. - plus I think that any usability/accessibility testing will reveal a bunch of stuff that looks problematic now. Otherwise, I think it's on the right path; again big improvement on the current blue site. Nathen. --- From: Paul McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:30:21 + Subject: BBC in Beta Heads up, the BBC has a new site in Beta. http://www.bbc.co.uk/home/beta Thoughts/praise/comments :) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] BBC in Beta
I don't know what's causing it, probably caching, but some of us in this office now have a new, almost completely different version of the BBC page, with no annoying colour changes, and some of us don't. Shift-reload? Randomise the URL? http://www.bbc.co.uk/home/beta/?noseriouslypleasereload might do it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Faulds Sent: Wednesday, 19 December 2007 9:12 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] BBC in Beta Yeah, that's right. I can still see them and they still change the colour of the page. On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:31:49 +1000, Kim Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well they are on my computer! (we're talking about the 4 colored buttons that changed the colors of the page... right?) John Faulds skrev: snip No they're not. Unless you're referring to something different. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** == The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments == *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] RE: BBC in Beta
- I really don't like the clock; it's so 1990s - we all have a clock on our computer/phone; I don't think it's needed. I think you're missing the nostalgia, the aah factor embodied in that clock -- British people have spent many *many* hours watching it. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] strange css behavior
Michael Horowitz wrote: People may remember I'm working on an issue where when I click on one link on my site http://theatomicconservative.typepad.com/ other links such as Subscribe to this blogs feed turn red as if they were visited. Doing more testing I started changing the page without clicking on the link (ie putting the address directly in the browser) and the problem still occurs. I'm wondering if this gives anyone an idea what I should look at. Correct the parse error on li a:hover to validate the CSS. And comment out or delete this ul class=module-list/ul to validate the markup. Then see if it does whatever it is that it is supposed to do. Best, ~dL -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] strange css behavior
On 18 Dec 2007, at 23:32, Michael Horowitz wrote: People may remember I'm working on an issue where when I click on one link on my site http://theatomicconservative.typepad.com/ other links such as Subscribe to this blogs feed turn red as if they were visited. Doing more testing I started changing the page without clicking on the link (ie putting the address directly in the browser) and the problem still occurs. I'm wondering if this gives anyone an idea what I should look at. what browser are you using for testing? all the links i've visited are red in Safari ? you know you need to clear your cache for the links to revert to *unvisited* before you can test this behaviour, and you know that the order for decalring the link states is crucial too? perhaps the issue is related to your multiple declaration of link state I assumeyou upgraded to Pro Level so you can properly customise the CSS? why not look at an open source blog solution and some cheap web hosting, you're making life difficult for yourself trying to bend something to a shape it's not designed for! ;o) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
