[WSG] RE: Accessibility - Scanning PDFs [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

[Chris Vickery]

I've been looking into this recently too.
I found a lot of info from Adobe of how accessible Acrobat can be made, but my 
experience was that it takes a long time to set them up properly.

The success (or not) comes from how cleanly the pages were set up in the first 
place, with proper heading hierarchies and styling etc... and relying on them 
being made with the correct settings.

There's an accessibility checker and make accessible plugin with acrobat, but I 
found them quite erratic and time consuming. If you already have 20 000 docs 
that's a huge task to go back through them.

I know adding bookmarks helps with the general accessibility of content a lot, 
but even that is quite labour intensive.

Here's the Adobe Acrobat Accessibility guide: 
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/pdfs/accessbooklet.pdf


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thiru Yoganathan
Sent: Wednesday, 29 October 2008 3:40 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Accessibility - Scanning PDFs

Hi Guys,

I am dealing with a very large website, with around 20 000 PDF files.

I want to test if these PDFs are Compliant with W3C standards. I know that some 
of these files will be I just want to find the ones which aren't.

Does anyone know of a good tool to use to test PDF files. I currently use Bobby 
for my website testing. I am looking to purchase AccVerify from Hisoftware 
however I don't know if it is a good tool to test PDFs.

Thanks

Thiru Yoganathan | Customer Experience Analyst

Access Testing

The Experts in Testing

112 Alexander St, Crows Nest NSW 2065

P: 02 9467 5074 | F: 02 9467 5020

E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sydney | Melbourne | Brisbane | Canberra

www.accesstesting.com





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Re: [WSG] Accessibility - Scanning PDFs

[Rae Buerckner]

PDF is an ISO standard and has been for some months, guidlines on
accessibility can be found here
http://www.adobe.com/accessibility/?promoid=DJGVE

Cheers,

R

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Dave Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 14:39 +1000, Thiru Yoganathan wrote:
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am dealing with a very large website, with around 20 000 PDF files.
> >
> >
> >
> > I want to test if these PDFs are Compliant with W3C standards. I know
> > that some of these files will be I just want to find the ones which
> > aren't.
>
> The W3C doesn't publish the PDF specs.  That is done by Adobe.  Adobe is
> in the process of making PDF an ISO standard.
>
> As for PDF validators, google seems to find a few very ones.  I have no
> idea if they are any good.
>
> Also create a new message rather than replying to an existing thread
> when you want to start a new discussion.
>
> Cheers
>
> Dave
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RE: [WSG] Accessibility - Scanning PDFs

[Thiru Yoganathan]

Hi Dave

Thanks for the input I appreciate it mate, I will look into it further.

Also thanks for the input on creating and replying, will take that into 
consideration next time

Cheer mate

Thiru Yoganathan | Customer Experience Analyst
Access Testing
The Experts in Testing
112 Alexander St, Crows Nest NSW 2065
P: 02 9467 5074 | F: 02 9467 5020
E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sydney | Melbourne | Brisbane | Canberra
www.accesstesting.com




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Hall
Sent: Wednesday, 29 October 2008 4:17 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility - Scanning PDFs

On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 14:39 +1000, Thiru Yoganathan wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
>
>
> I am dealing with a very large website, with around 20 000 PDF files.
>
>
>
> I want to test if these PDFs are Compliant with W3C standards. I know
> that some of these files will be I just want to find the ones which
> aren’t.

The W3C doesn't publish the PDF specs.  That is done by Adobe.  Adobe is
in the process of making PDF an ISO standard.

As for PDF validators, google seems to find a few very ones.  I have no
idea if they are any good.

Also create a new message rather than replying to an existing thread
when you want to start a new discussion.

Cheers

Dave



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Re: [WSG] Accessibility - Scanning PDFs

[Dave Hall]

On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 14:39 +1000, Thiru Yoganathan wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> 
>  
> 
> I am dealing with a very large website, with around 20 000 PDF files. 
> 
>  
> 
> I want to test if these PDFs are Compliant with W3C standards. I know
> that some of these files will be I just want to find the ones which
> aren’t. 

The W3C doesn't publish the PDF specs.  That is done by Adobe.  Adobe is
in the process of making PDF an ISO standard.

As for PDF validators, google seems to find a few very ones.  I have no
idea if they are any good.

Also create a new message rather than replying to an existing thread
when you want to start a new discussion.

Cheers

Dave



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[WSG] Accessibility - Scanning PDFs

[Thiru Yoganathan]

Hi Guys,

I am dealing with a very large website, with around 20 000 PDF files.

I want to test if these PDFs are Compliant with W3C standards. I know that some 
of these files will be I just want to find the ones which aren't.

Does anyone know of a good tool to use to test PDF files. I currently use Bobby 
for my website testing. I am looking to purchase AccVerify from Hisoftware 
however I don't know if it is a good tool to test PDFs.

Thanks

Thiru Yoganathan | Customer Experience Analyst

Access Testing

The Experts in Testing

112 Alexander St, Crows Nest NSW 2065

P: 02 9467 5074 | F: 02 9467 5020

E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sydney | Melbourne | Brisbane | Canberra

www.accesstesting.com






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Re: [WSG] CSS invisible to IE

[Luke Hoggett]

Hi,

This list isn't really a help desk. For such things Google is your friend.

Anyway, there are various methods/hacks available.  My preference is to 
use child selectors


eg
#container  .something {
   /* this will be used in ie6 */
}
#container > .something {
   /* this will be used in firefox and ie7 and safari etc*/
}

the order is important

if you want ONLY FF to have the rule applied (I cannot imagine why) try 
using some of the -moz attributes that may be applicable


Regards
L

Fuji kusaka wrote:
Is there any way to code css (not conditional inline css), so that the 
CSS apply online to FF?


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[WSG] CSS invisible to IE

[Fuji kusaka]

Is there any way to code css (not conditional inline css), so that the CSS
apply online to FF?

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RE: [WSG] Mark-up for physical/postal addresses

[Thierry Koblentz]

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ted Drake
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:02 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] Mark-up for physical/postal addresses

 

Personally, IF the address had a name associated with it, I would use a
definition list. 

 

However, there are some purists out there that can't see beyond using a dl
for anything other than defining a word.  But John Doe is a term and his
address, phone number, etc are describing him:

 

John Doe

123 Acacia Avenue

Suburb State Postal Code

Tel 888 9581 4077

Fax 888 9581 2835

 

Can be marked up as the following (including microformats)

 



John Doe

http://www.TJKDesign.com

 

 



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RE: [WSG] need to get a negative margin working

[Thierry Koblentz]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of kevin mcmonagle
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> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Subject: [WSG] need to get a negative margin working
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *(I need this heading to have a negative left margin over the leftcol
> div but it wont budge)*
> 
> 
> ..
> 



This is invalid markup, you can't nest block-level elements inside As




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Re: [WSG] Accessible JS/Mootools

[Brett Patterson]

It says the page validates. And I visited it, but don't see no problems with
it.

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>  can anyone help me with this?
>
>
> Many Thanks
>
> Mathew O'Connor
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> *Subject:* [WSG] Accessible JS/Mootools
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm trying to implement a few features from the mootools library on a
> clients web site.
>
>
>
> Basically I'm trying to get 3 element to load differently on the page load.
>
>
>
> the 1st one is the navigation bar which I think is completed
>
>
>
> the second is a div that has a .png image for transparency that I want to
> slide into place so basically have it's width go from 0px - 300px
>
>
>
> then when that has finished it animation for the text inside it which has
> another div container to fade in.
>
>
>
> can anyone help? I've searched the web and the only things I can find
> either don't work or they aren't accessible.
>
>
>
> 
>
>  (needs to have the slide from 0px to 310px on
> page load)
> (needs to have any text/images contained to fade in on
> page load)
> Welcome to ACB
> Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Nulla
> consequat est sed tellus. Donec ante augue, suscipit nec, tempor a, accumsan
> sit amet, lectus.
> Aliquam dolor mi, tempus in, congue at, blandit eu, nulla. Nam in quam
> eget nisl malesuada fringilla. Mauris eget sapien. Duis eu augue eu est
> rutrum semper. Nunc et tellus. Nunc rhoncus, ante facilisis bibendum
> feugiat, quam est sagittis felis, a imperdiet quam nisi non dolor. Praesent
> rutrum lectus non dui. Aenean lorem. Sed pulvinar mauris vitae mauris.
> Vivamus vitae tellus at nunc ullamcorper rhoncus.
> Quisque lectus lorem, venenatis non, scelerisque a, suscipit at, neque.
> Quisque faucibus feugiat lacus. Morbi ullamcorper diam ut dolor.
> 
> 
> 
>
>
>
> site is at www.essentialebizsolutions.net/client/acb
>
>
>
> Many thanks
>
> Essential eBiz Solutions
> 0800 327 7935
>
> www.essentialebizsolutions.net
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Re: [WSG] need to get a negative margin working

[Luke Hoggett]

Hi,

Try swapping the order of the h2 and anchor to start with, the solution 
will be a lot easier.


L

kevin mcmonagle wrote:






*(I need this heading to have a negative left margin over the leftcol 
div but it wont budge)*



..




heres the css :


a:link h2.cosanhead {
height:90px; margin-left:-57px; width:150px;
background-image:url(cosanlogodormant.jpg);
background-repeat:no-repeat;
border:0px solid black;
}

a:hover h2.cosanhead, h2.cosanheadactive {
background-image: url(../images/cosanlogo.jpg);
background-repeat:no-repeat;
border:0px solid white;
}


is it something about it not being block level?



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RE: [WSG] Accessible JS/Mootools

[Essential eBiz Solutions Ltd]

can anyone help me with this?
 

Many Thanks

Mathew O'Connor

  

0800 3277935

 


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Essential eBiz Solutions Ltd
Sent: 28 October 2008 15:32
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Accessible JS/Mootools



 Hi Everyone,

I'm trying to implement a few features from the mootools library on a
clients web site.

 

Basically I'm trying to get 3 element to load differently on the page load.

 

the 1st one is the navigation bar which I think is completed

 

the second is a div that has a .png image for transparency that I want to
slide into place so basically have it's width go from 0px - 300px

 

then when that has finished it animation for the text inside it which has
another div container to fade in.

 

can anyone help? I've searched the web and the only things I can find either
don't work or they aren't accessible.

 

 

 (needs to have the slide from 0px to 310px on
page load)
(needs to have any text/images contained to fade in on
page load)
Welcome to ACB
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Nulla
consequat est sed tellus. Donec ante augue, suscipit nec, tempor a, accumsan
sit amet, lectus.
Aliquam dolor mi, tempus in, congue at, blandit eu, nulla. Nam in quam
eget nisl malesuada fringilla. Mauris eget sapien. Duis eu augue eu est
rutrum semper. Nunc et tellus. Nunc rhoncus, ante facilisis bibendum
feugiat, quam est sagittis felis, a imperdiet quam nisi non dolor. Praesent
rutrum lectus non dui. Aenean lorem. Sed pulvinar mauris vitae mauris.
Vivamus vitae tellus at nunc ullamcorper rhoncus.
Quisque lectus lorem, venenatis non, scelerisque a, suscipit at, neque.
Quisque faucibus feugiat lacus. Morbi ullamcorper diam ut dolor.




 

site is at www.essentialebizsolutions.net/client/acb

 


Many thanks

Essential eBiz Solutions
0800 327 7935


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[WSG] need to get a negative margin working

[kevin mcmonagle]

*(I need this heading to have a negative left margin over the leftcol 
div but it wont budge)*



..




heres the css :


a:link h2.cosanhead {
height:90px; margin-left:-57px; width:150px;
background-image:url(cosanlogodormant.jpg);
background-repeat:no-repeat;
border:0px solid black;
}

a:hover h2.cosanhead, h2.cosanheadactive {
background-image: url(../images/cosanlogo.jpg);
background-repeat:no-repeat;
border:0px solid white;
}


is it something about it not being block level?



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Re: [WSG] JavaScript clarification please

[Breton Slivka]

JScript was originally created as an exact reverse engineering of
Javascript (including the mistakes), so that IE could read pages with
javascript on them. This was of course, during the browser wars when
they were competing for features. Jscript has fallen a bit behind
Javascript by now, so there are many features in Javascript that
Jscript does not support, such as Array extras, continuations and
function expressions.


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Re: [WSG] JavaScript clarification please

[Brett Patterson]

There is only one JavaScript, as created by Netscape. Though it can be used
for other things, such as programming an application, I think that is worded
right.

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Hassan Schroeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> liorean wrote:
>
>   Anyway, by the time the first full
>> version of Navigator that had it was released (2.0) it had already
>> been renamed to JavaScript, so I'd hardly say it was released under
>> the LiveScript name.
>>
>
> Well, at this point I don't know exactly when a version of Navigator
> was released with it under either name but certainly remember reading
> plenty about "LiveScript" before the name change.
>
> And there were certainly some interesting internal discussions at
> JavaSoft about the whole issue. :-)
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Re: [WSG] JavaScript clarification please

[liorean]

2008/10/28 Brett Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Actually it did say it is heavily object-based. But now, under Dynamic
> Programming --> Objects as associated arrays, it says it is almost entirely
> object-based. Looks like it just got updated. Internet Explorer does read
> JavaScript, but does it support JavaScript as a whole, or does it read
> JavaScript as JScript?

That depends on what you mean by JavaScript. Do you mean the language
that Netscape JavaScript and later Mozilla JavaScript reference[1] and
guide[2] specs specifies? JavaScript as in the language
"text/javascript" is interpreted as in browsers? Do you mean the
entire language and host environment making up the client side
scripting language for web pages?

The word "JavaScript" means different things in different contexts to
different people.


Internet Explorer uses Microsof't JScript engine which implements
ECMAScript, some parts of it buggy, some parts of it with proprietary
extensions. It doesn't in general implement Mozilla JavaScript
additions to ECMAScript. It does send all content that tells it it is
JavaScript/LiveScript/JScript/ECMAScript to the same engine.


[1] https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Core_JavaScript_1.5_Reference
[2] https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Core_JavaScript_1.5_Guide
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Re: [WSG] JavaScript clarification please

[Hassan Schroeder]

liorean wrote:


  Anyway, by the time the first full
version of Navigator that had it was released (2.0) it had already
been renamed to JavaScript, so I'd hardly say it was released under
the LiveScript name.


Well, at this point I don't know exactly when a version of Navigator
was released with it under either name but certainly remember reading
plenty about "LiveScript" before the name change.

And there were certainly some interesting internal discussions at
JavaSoft about the whole issue. :-)

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[WSG] Accessible JS/Mootools

[Essential eBiz Solutions Ltd]

 Hi Everyone,

I'm trying to implement a few features from the mootools library on a
clients web site.

 

Basically I'm trying to get 3 element to load differently on the page load.

 

the 1st one is the navigation bar which I think is completed

 

the second is a div that has a .png image for transparency that I want to
slide into place so basically have it's width go from 0px - 300px

 

then when that has finished it animation for the text inside it which has
another div container to fade in.

 

can anyone help? I've searched the web and the only things I can find either
don't work or they aren't accessible.

 

 

 (needs to have the slide from 0px to 310px on
page load)
(needs to have any text/images contained to fade in on
page load)
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site is at www.essentialebizsolutions.net/client/acb

 


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Re: [WSG] JavaScript clarification please

[Brett Patterson]

Actually it did say it is heavily object-based. But now, under Dynamic
Programming --> Objects as associated arrays, it says it is almost entirely
object-based. Looks like it just got updated. Internet Explorer does read
JavaScript, but does it support JavaScript as a whole, or does it read
JavaScript as JScript?

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:43 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Brett Patterson
> > Sent: 28 October 2008 12:35
> > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> > Subject: Re: [WSG] JavaScript clarification please
> >
> >
> > When you say support, are you saying that Internet Explorer will not
> execute
> > JavaScript, or it will execute JavaScript as JScript? And in the
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript link you provided it states
> that
> > JavaScript is heavily object-based, so should I assume this as well to
> be correct?
>
> As far as I can see, it does not say that.
>
> The facts are that the JScript run-time engine will attempt to execute
> whatever is thrown at it. In most cases something that looks like valid
> Javascript will produce something like what was intended.  Think of it
> like support for CSS: IE is always a little bit different, but it is
> still CSS. And at the end of the day, JScript, ECMAscript, ActionScript
> and JavaScript are more or less the same beast as far as this discussion
> is concerned. They are all based on objects, they all implement
> inheritance, and all of them can be used to write linear, procedural
> code if required.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
>
> Mike Brockington
> Web Development Specialist
>
> www.calcResult.com
> www.stephanieBlakey.me.uk
> www.edinburgh.gov.uk
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RE: [WSG] JavaScript clarification please

[michael.brockington]

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Brett Patterson
> Sent: 28 October 2008 12:35
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Subject: Re: [WSG] JavaScript clarification please
>
>
> When you say support, are you saying that Internet Explorer will not
execute 
> JavaScript, or it will execute JavaScript as JScript? And in the
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript link you provided it states
that 
> JavaScript is heavily object-based, so should I assume this as well to
be correct?
 
As far as I can see, it does not say that.

The facts are that the JScript run-time engine will attempt to execute
whatever is thrown at it. In most cases something that looks like valid
Javascript will produce something like what was intended.  Think of it
like support for CSS: IE is always a little bit different, but it is
still CSS. And at the end of the day, JScript, ECMAscript, ActionScript
and JavaScript are more or less the same beast as far as this discussion
is concerned. They are all based on objects, they all implement
inheritance, and all of them can be used to write linear, procedural
code if required.

Regards,
Mike


Mike Brockington
Web Development Specialist

www.calcResult.com
www.stephanieBlakey.me.uk
www.edinburgh.gov.uk

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Re: [WSG] JavaScript clarification please

[Brett Patterson]

When you say support, are you saying that Internet Explorer will not execute
JavaScript, or it will execute JavaScript as JScript? And in the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript link you provided it states that
JavaScript is heavily object-based, so should I assume this as well to be
correct?

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 3:55 AM, liorean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > liorean wrote:
> >> (Netscape had originally intended to use the name LiveScript.)
>
> 2008/10/28 Hassan Schroeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Actually, it was initially released as LiveScript and renamed later.
>
> IIRC Navigator 2.0 also supported a mocha: pseudo-protocol like the
> javascript: pseudo-protocol we have today, from the name it was given
> before it became LiveScript. Anyway, by the time the first full
> version of Navigator that had it was released (2.0) it had already
> been renamed to JavaScript, so I'd hardly say it was released under
> the LiveScript name.
> --
> David "liorean" Andersson
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Re: [WSG] Mark-up for physical/postal addresses

[Ross Bruniges]

I don't think David said anything against microformats.

The problems were with the use of the address element (which should only be 
used if it contains the contact details of the person who created a page) and 
the use of a definition list as an address for someone is not a definition of 
the person. I am not where I live that's for sure :>





From: Johan Douma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Tuesday, 28 October, 2008 11:02:11
Subject: Re: [WSG] Mark-up for physical/postal addresses

Well, what's wrong with microformats? It's really the way to go, and search 
engines like yahoo, technorati already use these formats. 


  

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Re: [WSG] Mark-up for physical/postal addresses

[Ollie]

The address tag was never actually built for addresses (a common
misconception), and addresses are also not lists? I would highly recommend
marking it up with Microformats and using the built in classes to style this
as you need.

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Darren Lovelock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Why not use the  tag and a definition list? I believe that also
> helps a little with localised SEO :)
>
> 
> John Doe
> 123 Acacia Avenue
> Suburb State Postal Code
> 
>
> 
> Tel:888 9581 4077
> Fax:888 9581 2835
> 
>
> Darren Lovelock
> Munky Online Web Design
> http://www.munkyonline.co.uk
> T: +44 (0)20-8816-8893
> 
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Ted Drake
> Sent: 28 October 2008 09:01
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Subject: RE: [WSG] Mark-up for physical/postal addresses
>
>
>
> Personally, IF the address had a name associated with it, I would use a
> definition list.
>
>
>
> However, there are some purists out there that can't see beyond using a dl
> for anything other than defining a word.  But John Doe is a term and his
> address, phone number, etc are describing him:
>
>
>
> John Doe
>
> 123 Acacia Avenue
>
> Suburb State Postal Code
>
> Tel 888 9581 4077
>
> Fax 888 9581 2835
>
>
>
> Can be marked up as the following (including microformats)
>
>
>
> 
>
> John Doe
>
> 
>
>
> TIA
>
>
>
> Henrik
>
>
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Re: [WSG] Mark-up for physical/postal addresses

[Johan Douma]

Well, what's wrong with microformats? It's really the way to go, and search
engines like yahoo, technorati already use these formats.
There are already quite a lot of generators like this one:
http://microformats.org/code/hcard/creator
No need to do any code, maybe is you want to change the structure a bit.

Cheers






Johan Douma
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2008/10/28 David Dorward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Darren Lovelock wrote:
> > Why not use the  tag
> Because most addresses on webpages do not provide contact details for
> the author.
> >  and a definition list?
> Because addresses are not definitions of things.
>
> --
> David Dorward
> http://dorward.me.uk/
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Re: [WSG] Mark-up for physical/postal addresses

[David Dorward]

Darren Lovelock wrote:
> Why not use the  tag
Because most addresses on webpages do not provide contact details for
the author.
>  and a definition list? 
Because addresses are not definitions of things.

-- 
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http://dorward.me.uk/



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RE: [WSG] Mark-up for physical/postal addresses

[Darren Lovelock]

Why not use the  tag and a definition list? I believe that also
helps a little with localised SEO :)
 

John Doe
123 Acacia Avenue
Suburb State Postal Code



Tel:888 9581 4077
Fax:888 9581 2835


Darren Lovelock
Munky Online Web Design
http://www.munkyonline.co.uk
T: +44 (0)20-8816-8893


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Behalf Of Ted Drake
Sent: 28 October 2008 09:01
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Subject: RE: [WSG] Mark-up for physical/postal addresses



Personally, IF the address had a name associated with it, I would use a
definition list. 

 

However, there are some purists out there that can't see beyond using a dl
for anything other than defining a word.  But John Doe is a term and his
address, phone number, etc are describing him:

 

John Doe

123 Acacia Avenue

Suburb State Postal Code

Tel 888 9581 4077

Fax 888 9581 2835

 

Can be marked up as the following (including microformats)

 



John Doe

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RE: [WSG] Mark-up for physical/postal addresses

[Ted Drake]

Personally, IF the address had a name associated with it, I would use a
definition list. 

 

However, there are some purists out there that can't see beyond using a dl
for anything other than defining a word.  But John Doe is a term and his
address, phone number, etc are describing him:

 

John Doe

123 Acacia Avenue

Suburb State Postal Code

Tel 888 9581 4077

Fax 888 9581 2835

 

Can be marked up as the following (including microformats)

 



John Doe

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Re: [WSG] Mark-up for physical/postal addresses

[Ollie]

Yep, as Ross said mark it up with Microformats

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Ross Bruniges
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> would have a look at - http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard
>
> --
> *From:* Henrik Madsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 28 October, 2008 8:23:07
> *Subject:* [WSG] Mark-up for physical/postal addresses
>
>
> Can anyone guide me re. best practice for marking-up physical addresses
> that would appear like this:
>
> 123 Acacia Avenue
> Suburb State Postal Code
> Tel 888 9581 4077
> Fax 888 9581 2835
>
> Or is it acceptable to keep all in  and use 's
>
> TIA
>
> Henrik
>
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Re: [WSG] Mark-up for physical/postal addresses

[Ross Bruniges]

would have a look at - http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard





From: Henrik Madsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, 28 October, 2008 8:23:07
Subject: [WSG] Mark-up for physical/postal addresses



Can anyone guide me re. best practice for marking-up physical addresses that 
would appear like this:

123 Acacia Avenue
Suburb State Postal Code
Tel 888 9581 4077
Fax 888 9581 2835

Or is it acceptable to keep all in  and use 's

TIA

Henrik

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[WSG] Mark-up for physical/postal addresses

[Henrik Madsen]

Can anyone guide me re. best practice for marking-up physical  
addresses that would appear like this:


123 Acacia Avenue
Suburb State Postal Code
Tel 888 9581 4077
Fax 888 9581 2835

Or is it acceptable to keep all in  and use 's

TIA

Henrik



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Re: [WSG] JavaScript clarification please

[liorean]

> liorean wrote:
>> (Netscape had originally intended to use the name LiveScript.)

2008/10/28 Hassan Schroeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Actually, it was initially released as LiveScript and renamed later.

IIRC Navigator 2.0 also supported a mocha: pseudo-protocol like the
javascript: pseudo-protocol we have today, from the name it was given
before it became LiveScript. Anyway, by the time the first full
version of Navigator that had it was released (2.0) it had already
been renamed to JavaScript, so I'd hardly say it was released under
the LiveScript name.
-- 
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