RE: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest
Seconded. N -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Nicholas Bower Sent: 19 December 2010 07:20 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest Hi Mods can you possibly drop emails from list and digest with subject containing out of office or autoreply?? 20-50% (at times) of emails I get from this list are a digest wholly consisting of ringing out of office responses. Pretty standard list filter to apply. And for the people doing this many thanks for the escalation points perhaps I'll try one over the break. :) On 19/12/2010, at 12:58 AM, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Ruth, Jodie jodie.r...@environment.gov.au Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 00:49:37 +1100 Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest I am out of the office from Friday December 17 2010, returning Tuesday Janua ry 4, 2011. Please direct any web-related questions to web.helpd...@environm ent.gov.au or phone x9883), or Intranet to intranet.helpd...@environment.gov .au (x9770) Kind regards, Jodie Ruth If you have received this transmission in error please notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. If this e-mail or any attachments h ave been sent to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect of information in the e- mail or attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this email. * From: Laurence-Rogers, Ben ben.laurence-rog...@environment.gov.au Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 00:51:25 +1100 Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest Holidays! I will be out of the office till the 5th of Jan - if you need to c ontact me - ben.jordanrog...@gmail.com or 0430472072 If you have received this transmission in error please notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. If this e-mail or any attachments h ave been sent to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect of information in the e- mail or attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this email. * From: Julien Viard jul...@10collective.com.au Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 05:52:23 -0800 Subject: Out of Office Re: WSG Digest The 10collective crew are currently out celebrating well earned xmas fun and we will not be back in the office until Monday 20th Dec at 9:00 We will respond to all queries when we return. Merry Christmas Julien * From: Edo Kamal edo.ka...@macquarie.com Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 00:53:00 +1100 Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest I am currently out of office. I will be back in the office tomorrow on Mond ay, 20 December 2010. For enquiries please contact: Papinder Hamid (x77756) p: +61 2 8237 7756 e: papinder.ha...@macquarie.com Notice: The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. If you received it in error, please tell us immedia tely by return email and delete the document. Macquarie does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files and is not responsible for an y changes made to them by any other person. Macquarie does not warrant or g uarantee that information contained in any email or attached file is free o f viruses, worms, trojan horses or anything else having contaminating or de structive properties and has not been intercepted and interfered with durin g transmission. It is your sole responsibility to protect yourself against such risk and, by opening any email or attached file you agree to assume a ll risks associated with electronic data transmission. Electronic communica tions carried within the Macquarie system may be monitored. Macquarie Funds Group services are provided by Macquarie Bank Limited ABN 46 008 583 542 o r one of its related entities. * From: tee weblis...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 03:20:27 -0800 Subject: disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet I am finally to begin to stop supporting IE6 starts from 2011 as the usage has fallen below 5%. I don't want the IE6 users to see a broken page due to no special treatment made for the browser, rather, I would like them to see an un-styled page as if the style sheet has switch off. Can this be done? Thanks! tee * From: Russ Weakley
[WSG] Out of Office
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Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest
You know, we're all honestly glad that you've been able to get away for your season's holidays and everytime a post you've linked to comes up we get reminded of it yet again. Please people, change your list settings BEFORE you go away so that we don't all get jealous while we're stuck here slaving away while you're off sucking back a margarita somewhere's warm and sunny. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year... Cheers, Doug Burt - Original Message - From: Nick Brown n...@bosslevelgames.com To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 2:52 AM Subject: RE: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest Seconded. N -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Nicholas Bower Sent: 19 December 2010 07:20 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest Hi Mods can you possibly drop emails from list and digest with subject containing out of office or autoreply?? 20-50% (at times) of emails I get from this list are a digest wholly consisting of ringing out of office responses. Pretty standard list filter to apply. And for the people doing this many thanks for the escalation points perhaps I'll try one over the break. :) On 19/12/2010, at 12:58 AM, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Ruth, Jodie jodie.r...@environment.gov.au Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 00:49:37 +1100 Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest I am out of the office from Friday December 17 2010, returning Tuesday Janua ry 4, 2011. Please direct any web-related questions to web.helpd...@environm ent.gov.au or phone x9883), or Intranet to intranet.helpd...@environment.gov .au (x9770) Kind regards, Jodie Ruth If you have received this transmission in error please notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. If this e-mail or any attachments h ave been sent to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect of information in the e- mail or attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this email. * From: Laurence-Rogers, Ben ben.laurence-rog...@environment.gov.au Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 00:51:25 +1100 Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest Holidays! I will be out of the office till the 5th of Jan - if you need to c ontact me - ben.jordanrog...@gmail.com or 0430472072 If you have received this transmission in error please notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. If this e-mail or any attachments h ave been sent to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect of information in the e- mail or attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this email. * From: Julien Viard jul...@10collective.com.au Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 05:52:23 -0800 Subject: Out of Office Re: WSG Digest The 10collective crew are currently out celebrating well earned xmas fun and we will not be back in the office until Monday 20th Dec at 9:00 We will respond to all queries when we return. Merry Christmas Julien * From: Edo Kamal edo.ka...@macquarie.com Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 00:53:00 +1100 Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest I am currently out of office. I will be back in the office tomorrow on Mond ay, 20 December 2010. For enquiries please contact: Papinder Hamid (x77756) p: +61 2 8237 7756 e: papinder.ha...@macquarie.com Notice: The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. If you received it in error, please tell us immedia tely by return email and delete the document. Macquarie does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files and is not responsible for an y changes made to them by any other person. Macquarie does not warrant or g uarantee that information contained in any email or attached file is free o f viruses, worms, trojan horses or anything else having contaminating or de structive properties and has not been intercepted and interfered with durin g transmission. It is your sole responsibility to protect yourself against such risk and, by opening any email or attached file you agree to assume a ll risks associated with electronic data transmission. Electronic communica tions carried within the Macquarie system may be monitored. Macquarie Funds Group services are provided by Macquarie Bank Limited ABN 46 008 583 542 o r one of its related entities.
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest
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Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest
We all go through this every holiday season Nick. Look at the big picture. Russ provides us with a great resource. For free. 1st auto responder message, and you are gone. Guilty until proven guilty. Just look at the first line, or header, then delete. That's the deal. And Russ could charge. He doesn't. Thanks Russ. You are Legend. Oh, and By the way. Lazy listers who reply or forward without truncating the previous 47 or so other lister's reponses are FAR more annoying. And waste far too much bandwidth Think about that Nick. Then look at your email. IMHO, Love and peace to you all, thanks Russ, and Merry Christmas Sincerely. Chris Sent from my iPhone On 19/12/2010, at 6:20 PM, Nicholas Bower n...@petangent.net wrote: Hi Mods can you possibly drop emails from list and digest with subject containing out of office or autoreply?? 20-50% (at times) of emails I get from this list are a digest wholly consisting of ringing out of office responses. Pretty standard list filter to apply. And for the people doing this many thanks for the escalation points perhaps I'll try one over the break. :) On 19/12/2010, at 12:58 AM, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet
Paul, thank you very much! Very neat! Had a deja vu moment when I saw the title, I might had stumbled on that article before. If I were to find the article in 2009 it probably wasn't worth the consideration due to IE6 usage at that time, but it's prime time to start using this technique now :) The Conditional Comment breaks the CSS merging script though. tee On Dec 19, 2010, at 6:45 PM, Paul Irish wrote: tee, you want this: http://forabeautifulweb.com/blog/about/universal_internet_explorer_6_css/ it greatly simplifies the layout for IE6.. to just be the straight-up content.. no layout tricks. plus decent typography. :) Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest
Using IE conditional comments on the html tag, you can target each version of IE. You can does not mean you should... In a comment [1] on forabeautifulweb, Molly Holzschlag says: Please, please dont design for browsers. [1] http://forabeautifulweb.com/blog/about/universal_internet_explorer_6_css/#r7 23 -- Regards, Thierry www.tjkdesign.com | www.ez-css.org | @thierrykoblentz *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest (was disallow IE6...)
On 12/20/10 6:57 AM, Thierry Koblentz wrote: Using IE conditional comments on the html tag, you can target each version of IE. You can does not mean you should... In a comment [1] on forabeautifulweb, Molly Holzschlag says: Please, please don’t design for browsers. [1] http://forabeautifulweb.com/blog/about/universal_internet_explorer_6_css/#r7 Perhaps expectations are too high? I took my first Web class in 2002, and learned both table-based and CSS layouts using IE 5.5 and Netscape 4. CSS rendering in IE was good enough then to convince me that CSS layouts are preferable. And, no, my pages did not look the same in both browsers. But similar, and equally usable, was good enough for me then... and now. Thanks to all for adding useful tools to my toolbox. Season's greetings! Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet
I like the let it fail gracefully method. And, using something like !--[if IE 6]link rel=stylesheet href=/styles /ie6_detection_message.css media=screen type=text/css /![endif]--, display a message for IE 6 only, You are using IE 6. Please upgrade your browser to view this site correctly. Kevin -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of tee Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 6:20 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet I am finally to begin to stop supporting IE6 starts from 2011 as the usage has fallen below 5%. I don't want the IE6 users to see a broken page due to no special treatment made for the browser, rather, I would like them to see an un-styled page as if the style sheet has switch off. Can this be done? Thanks! tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet
http://forabeautifulweb.com/blog/about/universal_internet_explorer_6_css/ On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 4:20 AM, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote: I am finally to begin to stop supporting IE6 starts from 2011 as the usage has fallen below 5%. I don't want the IE6 users to see a broken page due to no special treatment made for the browser, rather, I would like them to see an un-styled page as if the style sheet has switch off. Can this be done? Thanks! tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet
IE6 would not load the stylesheet if set up the line of HTML like this: !--[if (gt IE 6)|!(IE)]!-- main stylesheet goes here !--![endif]-- Joseph R. B. Taylor /Web Designer / Developer/ -- Sites by Joe, LLC /Clean, Simple and Elegant Web Design/ Phone: (609) 335-3076 Web: http://sitesbyjoe.com Email: j...@sitesbyjoe.com On 12/20/10 1:28 PM, Ty Hatch wrote: http://forabeautifulweb.com/blog/about/universal_internet_explorer_6_css/ On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 4:20 AM, tee weblis...@gmail.com mailto:weblis...@gmail.com wrote: I am finally to begin to stop supporting IE6 starts from 2011 as the usage has fallen below 5%. I don't want the IE6 users to see a broken page due to no special treatment made for the browser, rather, I would like them to see an un-styled page as if the style sheet has switch off. Can this be done? Thanks! tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org mailto:memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet
Sorry Georg, I should have read your article before (re)using that joke! I still not sure I'd spend extra effort to effectively penalise IE6 users. IE6 is not Netscape 4, its CSS support is not that bad. ... I just realised I'm sticking up for IE6! Must be the payback for all the nasty things I've said about it :) David On 20/12/2010, at 8:13 AM, David McKinnon wrote: Sounds like you're going to a lot of effort to make the IE6 experince worse than it needs to be. Is this *dis*graceful degradation? ;) David On 20/12/2010, at 1:18 AM, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. I need to look into it and run a few tests. I think it may not be a safest approach as I vaguely remember I experienced a few issue using @import with CSS compression and CSS file merging script. Script that brings CSS3 selectors for IE such as selectivizr also cannot handle @import properly - I only tried it once and two style sheets are using @import but are placed inside a main style sheet. tee On Dec 18, 2010, at 6:15 AM, G.Sørtun wrote: I am finally to begin to stop supporting IE6 starts from 2011 as the usage has fallen below 5%. I don't want the IE6 users to see a broken page due to no special treatment made for the browser, rather, I would like them to see an un-styled page as if the style sheet has switch off. Can this be done? Of course... :-) How to demo here: http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_additions_50.html It is up to you how unstyled IE6 shall present a page. I would give it some. regards Georg *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet
On 2010/12/20 13:13 (GMT-0500) Erickson, Kevin (DOE) composed: I like the let it fail gracefully method. And, using something like !--[if IE 6]link rel=stylesheet href=/styles /ie6_detection_message.css media=screen type=text/css /![endif]--, display a message for IE 6 only, You are using IE 6. Please upgrade your browser to view this site correctly. Correctly? Do all compliant browsers do correctly? Better not best viewed or as intended or -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet
Yes. Thank you Felix! best viewed works much better. And then throw in the fact that IE 6 was first release around 2001 and ask them if they even care if they can see a site in a best viewed fashion. I am thinking they are not. ;-) j/k. All's good. -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Felix Miata Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 3:26 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet On 2010/12/20 13:13 (GMT-0500) Erickson, Kevin (DOE) composed: I like the let it fail gracefully method. And, using something like !--[if IE 6]link rel=stylesheet href=/styles /ie6_detection_message.css media=screen type=text/css /![endif]--, display a message for IE 6 only, You are using IE 6. Please upgrade your browser to view this site correctly. Correctly? Do all compliant browsers do correctly? Better not best viewed or as intended or *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet
On Dec 20, 2010, at 12:26 PM, Felix Miata wrote: On 2010/12/20 13:13 (GMT-0500) Erickson, Kevin (DOE) composed: I like the let it fail gracefully method. And, using something like !--[if IE 6]link rel=stylesheet href=/styles /ie6_detection_message.css media=screen type=text/css /![endif]--, display a message for IE 6 only, You are using IE 6. Please upgrade your browser to view this site correctly. For those who still think IE6 users shouldn't be treated less user experience wise and that we shouldn't advocate abandoning the browser, I think something needs to take into account, that IE6 and 7 have serious security flaws, if a site is static it probably is OK, but for sites that collect user data and CC info than there is a good reason to advice and advocate IE6 users to stay away from the browser. One of my clients did an implementation on his site, year ago the usage of IE6 was over 15%; he had me put up an IE6 no more banner, 6 months later, the usage only dropped some 3%. Then I read news about Google got hacked and that Microsoft asked users to abandon IE6, so I suggested client placed a message about the security vulnerability. The usage fell below 6% in a couple months, tough I can't be 100% sure it's the message that helped bringing down the percentage, but I think it helped greatly than a passive You are using an outdated browser. For a better experience using this site, please upgrade to a modern web browser. tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet
On 20.12.2010 21:00, David McKinnon wrote: Sorry Georg, I should have read your article before (re)using that joke! I still not sure I'd spend extra effort to effectively penalise IE6 users. IE6 is not Netscape 4, its CSS support is not that bad. ... I just realised I'm sticking up for IE6! Must be the payback for all the nasty things I've said about it :) David :-) Years ago someone threatened to start a protect IE6 from Georg union. Are you a member..? :-D I'm only presenting my favored solution for splitting IE6 away from the rest so it can be served something it can handle. What others want to do with IE6 once it is separated, is totally up to them. I'm usually quite nice to IE6 users, as can be seen on other pages on my site. All I do is to display a message to IE6 users, urging them to upgrade from their obsolete browser. Some actually accuse me of being too nice to IE6 now and then, so I receive flak from both sides. No big deal. Fixing IE6' bugs so it renders close enough for comfort isn't much of a deal either, although it may be necessary to roll out some of the big artillery to get past its most severe bugs and weaknesses in certain cases. Generally: I see the effort I put into getting IE6 in line, after all the other browsers are served, as good coding practice and something to do when I get bored. regards Georg *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] jQuery Mobile for Mobile site
Any one developing Mobile Web has an insight for jQuery Mobile? I was studying the framework last night, couldn't quite decide whether it's best to adapt it to my mobile web development. After reading the documentation and tested all demos, my impression is, it's more geared towards Apps. The Accessibility, supported platforms (knowing that I wouldn't be able to test on Palm, Nokia and Blackerry devices, the supported platforms is very attractive) and Navigation: Ajax, hashes history are very attractive. But I am not keen on the idea having to assign an ID to every tag and every selector [1]. See please note [1] http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0a2/#docs/pages/docs-pages.html Thanks! tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet
- Original Message - From: Erickson, Kevin (DOE) kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 7:51 AM Subject: RE: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet Yes. Thank you Felix! best viewed works much better. And then throw in the fact that IE 6 was first release around 2001 and ask them if they even care if they can see a site in a best viewed fashion. I am thinking they are not. ;-) j/k. All's good. I know of some work places still useing Windows 2000. Or rather, I have read that they have rolled back to it, after some applications and the like wouldn't run on XP, which means that IE6 is about the only thing they can run on Windows2000, unless they use Firefox, or some other browser. As I don't think IE7 and 8 run on Win2K. I also know that a lot of workplaces are swiching to Vista though, so with all these different versions of Windows floating around the place, and with MS still not dropping official support for IE6 untill 2014 it is rather anoying. All that said, I don't test in IE6 anymore and have not done so for a year or so. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet
My 2 cents, Your approach towards IE6 should be dictated by your site's audience. Watch your stats. If you have a lot of IE6 visitors, don't they deserve a decent page? If they're potential customers, wouldn't you want them to go through and make a transaction? Think of the poor people using IE6. I've seen them come in the following flavors: 60% - Persons trapped in old Win2k network without the ability to install anything to their profile. 37% - Persons with an old computer with no knowledge of any alternative ~ /I surf the web by clicking the E!/ 3% - Hermits who refuse to upgrade as they still love their IE6's simple interface. I'm not kidding. I still have Windows 2000 servers running web apps I made 10 years. Many swear it was Microsoft's last good OS! At any rate, at least 2 out of the three groups above are potential customers. The stats for my own site show that 80% of my new customers are using IE, with a good 30% of that group still using IE6. Yeah, it kind of sucks, but web design is all about dealing with limitations, isn't it? Joseph R. B. Taylor /Web Designer / Developer/ -- Sites by Joe, LLC /Clean, Simple and Elegant Web Design/ Phone: (609) 335-3076 Web: http://sitesbyjoe.com Email: j...@sitesbyjoe.com On 12/20/10 9:14 PM, Chad Kelly wrote: - Original Message - From: Erickson, Kevin (DOE) kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 7:51 AM Subject: RE: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet Yes. Thank you Felix! best viewed works much better. And then throw in the fact that IE 6 was first release around 2001 and ask them if they even care if they can see a site in a best viewed fashion. I am thinking they are not. ;-) j/k. All's good. I know of some work places still useing Windows 2000. Or rather, I have read that they have rolled back to it, after some applications and the like wouldn't run on XP, which means that IE6 is about the only thing they can run on Windows2000, unless they use Firefox, or some other browser. As I don't think IE7 and 8 run on Win2K. I also know that a lot of workplaces are swiching to Vista though, so with all these different versions of Windows floating around the place, and with MS still not dropping official support for IE6 untill 2014 it is rather anoying. All that said, I don't test in IE6 anymore and have not done so for a year or so. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
