Re: [WSG] Centering Elements
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Chris Kennon wrote:
I yet to devise an elegant solution centering all elements within
div#innerContainer. Would a gifted Standardista offer an elegant
backward compatible solution?
div#innerContainer { text-align: center; }
div#innerContainer * { margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; }
?
P
Chris,
Be careful, this will also center all the text for all the elements
inside #innerContainer.
Also, I'd use
div#innerContainer * {
margin: 0 auto;
}
instead.
Cheers,
Chris.
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Re: [WSG] restricting width in the body tag
William Donovan wrote: Hi all, I wanted to ask a question of better practice and current standards view. Is it better to have a header and footer stretch across the width of the browser window or be restricted to the width of the defined. left aligned content area. Leaving lots of vacant white space for people with wider screen resolution. (the question arises as people are becoming concerned about laptop users with 1600 pixel wide computer screens) and if it is to be restricted in width, should the styling restriction be applied to the body tag? Thank William This, to me, sounds like a design decision and doesn't seem related to web standards at all. Review your targeted viewers, and assess your design and usability in whatever environments your viewers will be using Chris *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE 8 and grey
Keryx Web wrote: Quick question. I have not got IE 8 beta 1 myself... Does it understand grey, spelled with an e - as it should be ;-) Lars Gunther Probably not. grey isn't a css colour. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] * { display: inline; }
Mordechai Peller wrote: Chris Broadfoot wrote: You have users using *older than* IE5? I often see older browsers in the log, but in such small quantities that they're safe to ignore. Generally speaking, browsers with only a fraction of a percent share are safe to ignore, unless you know a reason not to. Konqueror, for example, isn't very popular, but since the KHTML engine is very good, it merits more attention than it's numbers suggest. Mobile browsers are also good examples since they are likely to grow quickly in popularity (between the iPhone and Google's OHA, I'm very optimistic). My question wasn't in response to you – your answer made perfect sense. Michael MD implied that he cares about users that use IE5 Cheers Chris *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] * { display: inline; }
Michael MD wrote: IE 7 does, As do 5 and 6 (before those, don't know and don't care). After all, if I have to care about what IE5 and 6 do ... I see from server logs lots of people out there are still using them! (especially IE6 ... still very common ... and there are still quite a few IE5 Mac users appearing in those logs!) You have users using *older than* IE5? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] running ie7 on my mac??
James Ellis wrote: and remember that Wine is an emulation layer, it may not give the same results as virtualising Windows (which is a standard Windows install). It depends on how good the emulation is. For instance, before using virtualisation to test IE in XP, I was using Wine and ies4linux and not getting very good Javascript results. Cheers James Actually, Wine is not emulation. [1] WINE = Wine is not an emulator. Chris 1: http://www.winehq.org/site/myths *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] tableless forms !!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi , Could anyone tell me which is the best way to build a form without tables in w3c standards. I would really appreciate if you can provide a good referral link. J Thanks a ton in advance.. Thanking you *Naveen Bhaskar * Please read the thread that's been going in the past week called Styling Forms Chris *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Windows on a Mac
Tim MacKay wrote: Hi List, snip I have a few questions about the Windows environment on the new Macs. Specifically, can I run things like Microsoft Visual Studio? Flash Develop? Can I download and run .exe files? Is the Windows environment on Macintosh a true Windows environment and is it just a matter of switching OS’s like I would switch applications? You'll either need to run Windows under a virtualised environment using programs such as Parallels Desktop or VMWare Fusion, or you can use Bootcamp to run Windows natively. Both of them provide seamless (as much as it can be) integration between OSX and Windows, however if you run Bootcamp, you'll be booted into Windows and need a restart to get back into OSX. You can develop Flash on OSX so I don't see why you require Windows for this. Chris *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Windows on a Mac
Tim MacKay wrote: Hi List, snip I have a few questions about the Windows environment on the new Macs. Specifically, can I run things like Microsoft Visual Studio? Flash Develop? Can I download and run .exe files? Is the Windows environment on Macintosh a true Windows environment and is it just a matter of switching OS’s like I would switch applications? You'll either need to run Windows under a virtualised environment using programs such as Parallels Desktop or VMWare Fusion, or you can use Bootcamp to run Windows natively. Both of them provide seamless (as much as it can be) integration between OSX and Windows, however if you run Bootcamp, you'll be booted into Windows and need a restart to get back into OSX. You can develop Flash on OSX so I don't see why you require Windows for this. Chris *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy
Bruce wrote: - Original Message - From: Peter Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 7:18 AM Subject: [WSG] This IE8 controversy Hi I just like to ask if it might be possible to turn off this version freezing thing in IE8, maybe with some markup or something. I agree with Drew Mclellan when he said in his blog that old browsers must die. Is Microsoft going to pay me my time to add another tag to the head of every page on every clients site I've ever done? NOT So it won't happen, why should we spend even more time on MS screwups? Or am I misreading all this? Bruce bkdesign I personally think it's great. Think of the time you save by not having to debug IE. Chris. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy
Chris Knowles wrote: Chris Broadfoot wrote: I personally think it's great. Think of the time you save by not having to debug IE. why won't we have to debug IE? We'll still have to make our sites work in IE7 and IE6 for quite some time. Sure. But if IE8 in standards mode is any good, then you won't have anywhere near as much work if MS chose to just totally ignore standards. I don't see how opting-in to standards by adding a meta tag does anything for me or anyone else. Except for Microsoft of course, by allowing them to do the right thing at last and create a decent browser while at the same time not doing the right thing and ignoring the mess they created. I don't think they're ignoring the mess they created at all.. Is adding a meta tag really too much work to provide your users/visitors the viewing experience they should have? Chris *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy
Chris Knowles wrote: Chris Broadfoot wrote: Chris Knowles wrote: I don't see how opting-in to standards by adding a meta tag does anything for me or anyone else. Except for Microsoft of course, by allowing them to do the right thing at last and create a decent browser while at the same time not doing the right thing and ignoring the mess they created. I don't think they're ignoring the mess they created at all.. Is adding a meta tag really too much work to provide your users/visitors the viewing experience they should have? Yeah actually I agree, they're not ignoring the mess. Just actively covering it up by enlisting yours and my support. My users/visitors should get the right viewing experience by default, not by having to opt-in. On the contrary, if you wish your users/visitors to NOT get the right viewing experience, is opting-out by adding a meta tag really too much work? Too much work for those that aren't in the know. Chris. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy
Christian Snodgrass wrote: The biggest problem is the fact that if they don't have it be the opt-in option, that any older sites that used all of the hacks that made it work in IE6 and IE7 won't work in IE8. That probably includes even a lot of your own sites. Beyond that (since they could just make it ignore those types of hacks which wouldn't be difficult), is pages even older, and especially those web-based applications that relied on those hacks. It's the lesser of two evils, but it's still a huge pain. Didn't people use conditional comments? Chris *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy
Matt Fellows wrote: A great point Casey. MS have taken the first major step in moving towards a standards compliant industry and we, the web designer, are complaining that it's going to break our old sites hacked up for IE6/IE7. The saying says 'we can't have our cake and eat it too', but in fact we can. We have asked for standards compliance and we are getting it. But I thought the point was that it *wont* break old, crappy sites? The point people are complaining about is the whole opt-in/meta tag/http header (non) issue. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
