Re: [WSG] teaching students developing to web standards
You might be able to get some valuable information or at least resources from this link http://www.frank.to/classes2.html
Frank Cronk is the Interface Design professor at the University of
Idaho and my mentor while getting my education there. They have a nice
series of classes targeted at web standards design.On 9/11/05, Rick Faaberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/11/05 6:07 PM Richard Czeiger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: Wasn't this question asked not long ago? Shouldn't people at least try to check the archives first?I sure haven't seen K-12 teachers mentioned here lately (they are a
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Re: [WSG] Will HTML be nicer to PHP than XHTML?
The language is only as sloppy as the person writing it.
Back to the question, in my personal projects I have been running the
Smarty PHP template engine with xhtml 1.0 strict formatted templates
and content without any problems. At work we run a much more dynamic
version of the engine with html templates, xml content and navigation
files pulled into those templates. Still no problems, all we have to
make sure of is that we escape the necessary characters when
appropiate in our templates.
Note- This is not meant to start a discussion/arguement on the use of
this particular php engine (class), but rather to illustrate a
variation of PHP's use with both xhtml and html.
On 7/3/05, Paul Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Subject: Re: [WSG] Will HTML be nicer to PHP than XHTML?
Personally, I believe this is one of the strong argumens for XHTML. PHP is
very sloppy, and when you combine that with another sloppy language, HTML,
the mess is tremendos. For small projects and new people it's not much of
an issue, but try to maintain a large codebase without it being incredibly
buggy.
Using XHTML forces you towards good practices, something that is good to do
from the begining before you develop those bad habits. I don't know who was
objecting to using XHTML, but IMHO it will interfere with you learning of
PHP less than HTML because it will force you to know what your doing, which
is the point of learning.
In PHP's defence, stupid sloppy code can be written in ANY language. (Don't
believe me? Head over to http://www.thedailywtf.com and see some real-world
examples.)
PHP's lack of pickiness (compared to Java for example) is what has allowed it
to be accessible to so many people, without requiring the very steep learning
curve some other languages require. Good developers write good code. Period.
let me repeat again. THERE IS NO LINK BETWEEN BAD HTML AND PHP.
This thread needs to die.
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Re: [WSG] Juicy Studio offline
My recommendation, www.siteground.com
On 5/3/05, Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would recommend www.flexihostings.net.au
Great service, been with them for over almost 2 years now.
Cheap and reliable!
Owned by iiNet, so they have a strong base.
No debt.
They have a Refugee program, where Gez would get 3 months free, if he
tells them about his previous host, and how he is now a server refugee.
:)
Douglas Clifton wrote:
For those of you who don't know Gez Lemon of Juicy Studio, he has
been an incredible source of information, articles and tips for the
Web developer community for a long time.
He's currently on vacation and his hosting provider has gone and
given him the shaft while he's away from his home-base.
I'd like to ask anyone that can help, or provide suggestions for a
new host he can move to or any other ideas that you can might
have to do so. Support your fellow developers!
Visit his site for more information about the situation and how to
contact him with suggestions.
http://juicystudio.com/
Thank you!
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Re: [WSG] Combination of CSS menu with dhtm/javascript menu button?
Just so you're not ostracized by the group, I'll provide this handy
little link about what dhtml is and isn't. Check out the section
under DHTML is NOT a W3C Standard.
http://www.w3schools.com/dhtml/dhtml_intro.asp
On 5/2/05, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a horizontal menu done in CSS with set current option.
menu 1 || menu 2 || menu 3 || menu 4 || menu 5 || menu 6 ||
but now my client wants to insert drop-down menu in menu 4 button. This can
easily be done with DHTML menu that I have from Project Seven, but I really
prefer to stay with css menu as it delivers cleaner code. I was thinking
perhaps I can insert one dhtml menu in my existing css menu, with a bit of
twisting, that shouldn't be too difficult, but I must admit, it's over my
head, as soon as I started to implementing it, the first obstacles I
encounter is how to replace the body id=menu4page to body onload=...
that PV II generated.
There will only have two links in the drop-down menu, I can settle for
either vertical :lisubmenu 1 /li
lisubmenu 2 /li
or horizontal: lisubmenu 1 /li || li submenu 2 /li
Thanks!
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Re: [WSG] Big Name Site Goes Standards
No css in Mac Firefox 1.0, but degrades beautifully!!
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:41:14 -0500, Tom Livingston
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Hello all,
I may be a little late with this, so forgive me, but I just read here
http://web-graphics.com/ that http://www.turner.com/ just relaunched
using a standards-based layout/construction, etc.
It's a very nice, clean and useable... blog... I mean... site. Anyone
else see a design trend in standards-based sites?
However, in the end, and most importantly, a big company like Turner
caring about standards is great news.
Tom Livingston
Senior Multimedia Artist
Media Logic
mlinc.com
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Re: [WSG] Intro and first question
I've always used the validator at http://www.contentquality.com/ over
Bobby. I like the way it breaks things down for you.
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 18:55:01 +, David R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mordechai Peller wrote:
The fact is the onclick is misnamed; a more
accurate name would be onactivate since it's triggered by both the
mouse and keyboard.
Indeed, considering the W3C's push of XHTML as a truly platform agnostic
system.
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Re: [WSG] Microsoft says Firefox not a threat to IE [OT?]
According to http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2004/September/browser.php.
Mozilla is still way down at 2% as of September. We'll see about
October shortly...
Chris
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:23:02 -0800 (PST), Anthony Timberlake
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They better rethink thatit is a large
threat...isn't Firefox like 40% of the people now?
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Thought this might be a worthwhile link for WSG
members.
Please send flames off list ;)
Microsoft says Firefox not a threat to IE
http://news.com.com/Microsoft+says+Firefox+not+a+threat+to+IE/2100-1032_3-5448719.html
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Re: [WSG] Colour Scheme aids
Color Index is a permanent resident at my desk. Not exactly a tool,
but a good reference.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1581802366/qid=1099704432/sr=2-1/ref=pd_ka_b_2_1/104-8170025-1104706
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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 16:41:35 -0800 (PST), Krassy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Does anyone have a favourite colour scheme tool?
I compiled a list of the ones I find most useful here:
http://www.krassycandoit.com/blah/archive/2004_06_01_archive.html#108859335689811394
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Re: [WSG] commonly used order of styles within a css class
For ordering statements I usually start with broad statements and then get narrower. Then within this list I sort by html statements and then my IDs and classes as they fall in the page from top to bottom. As for selectors I go in this order positioning display margin padding background (minus color)(image, position, repeat) text (family, size, weight, then any extras like line height) text color background color I don't know why but I like to see any color information at the end, grouped together. Call me quirky! :) Chris On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 15:19:12 +1200, Sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if there is a common way of listing styles in CSS? I don't mean the order of a:hover a: visited, or the order of specification. I am thinking more of some logical order that would be helpful to anyone else working on stylesheets I have created. For example, perhaps the font and inline information is first, the block, padding and margin information next, and then the positioning. In the same way that naming conventions of CSS classes and IDs is helpful, is anyone aware of any logical or consistent order in which the styles are displayed in CSS? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] help with ie vs the rest
You have class bodytext in your html, but it is not defined in your style sheet (unless I'm missing something, it is 2:15 in the morning). Also as stated before you should remove the periods from your class names in your html. From a usability stand point I would consider underlining all of your links with a:hover if you are going to do it on the side bar. It will help minimize confusion of your users. Aside from that I like the clean, simple style. From: Gary Greer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] help with ie vs the rest Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 17:03:53 +1000 Hi All First - sorry I can't make it to the Melbourne meeting - just too busy. Second - can anyone help me with some weirdness I'm seeing? http://metropolis.muprivate.edu.au/index.php?id=67 has a page. It has CSS at http://metropolis.muprivate.edu.au/fileadmin/metTempl/new.css . Looking at it through IE, I get wrapping in the content block, but the main block isn't centered. Looking at it in Firefox, the main block is centered, but the text doesn't wrap. In a word - Aaaarghhh. Can anyone help? I've run out of beer and inspiration. gg smime.p7s _ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlbpgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
