Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?
Hello everyone, There are many cases that you should repeat h1 or others headers. I do many homepages or homepages of areas, and i don't know were i should or not use the h1. I don't use in page title because is not relevant. The correct use should be on the titles of modules that i use, such as "last news" or "last updates" or any title of some list of items. And they have the some importance. This problem will be solved, I hope, with the use of and in HTML5. Gaspar On 16/10/2009, Darren Lovelock wrote: > > > > > To have the logo as a H1 on every page will most likely trigger spam filters > in the search engines as you are duplicating the heading throughout the > website, they should always be unique. Anyone advising to do this to boost > your page's keyword relevancy simply doesn't know what they are talking > about. > > I cant think of a single reason why you would wrap a H1 around a logo as > there is no advantage to you, search engines or your visitors. Maybe if you > had a business directory where each listing had its own logo and alt text of > the company name then it could work there but not if there was already an H1 > on the page. > > The only case that you could possibly use two H1s on a page is if you had a > page containing two entirely different topics. But then again wouldn't you > just put this content on two separate pages? If your sites theme is to write > about lots of different content e.g. a general blog, then it should have a > main H1 and each topic be summarised using H2's and then include a link to > their own individual pages. > > Why is the topic starter looking for reasons for why they shouldn't do it, > when they should be asking themselves what is their reason for using the H1 > this way in the first place? > > Did they see it on some 'SEO's website and think 'they must know what they > are doing so I'll copy them'? LOL > > Maybe they should listen to the SEO expert they've already spoken to... > > I would have thought it's pretty obvious that you shouldn't do it ;) > > > Darren Lovelock > Munky Online Web Design > http://www.munkyonline.co.uk > T: +44 (0)20-8816-8893 > > > From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org > [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of EBS Admin > Sent: 16 October 2009 15:52 > > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? > > > > The way to wrap the H1 for the logo is not to wrap it around an image, the > fist H1 should be text with keywords for the page that is being represented > in a grammatical format, with clever use of CSS these can be styled up to > look like graphic logos but degrade for accessibility and provide a tool to > get the H1 as the first element in a page whilst complementing the > semantics, accessibility and seo requirements. > > > From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org > [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of > ja...@flexewebs.com > Sent: 16 October 2009 15:45 > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? > > > Yes but my argument against putting the H1 around the logo is that the logo > is present on all pages and typically each site will be optimised for it's > brand name (e.g. Flexewebs) so no value in highlighting that. > > I would potentially agree with you if you were arguing for putting H1 around > other content within the page, but certainly not the logo. > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > From: "EBS Admin" > Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:36:00 +0100 > To: > Subject: RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? > > > Okay so the justify, the first H1 is the title of a page which is to be > shown at the top of a page commonly used as the logo. The next h1 will be > the subject title i.e. Welcome to... so semantically this would require more > the 1 H1. > > For accessibility which styles switched off it clearly breaks up the pages, > and has a similar effect for screen readers. > > Hope this makes it a little clearer. > > > From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org > [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Jason > Grant > Sent: 16 October 2009 15:25 > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? > > > EBS Admin - Matt doesn't say to use multiple H1s on the page, but says that > you will not get penalised for using them (within reason) on a given page. > Every site I ever worked on I had used only one H1 on and it still enjoys > being on first page of Google. > My for
Re: [WSG] SEO vs. Accessibility
I think that if these texts are anchors for internal navigation or links with relative URLs for pages on the site shouldn´t have no problems. 2009/5/26 Lea de Groot > > On 27/05/2009, at 2:26 AM, Spellacy, Michael wrote: > > It was recently brought to my attention that a few elements I >> have placed on a site that have text indented px to the left for >> accessibility might be viewed as a form of cloaking by some search >> engines. Is my colleague correct in this assessment? If so, is there a >> middle ground that can be met to make search engines and visually >> impaired folks happy? >> > > Yes, it is an issue, and at times people will jump on it. > It really comes down to how much you've done, and what it looks like. > Its the sort of thing that will be picked up in a manual review, and they > aren't that common. > I tend to use a class name like class="accessabilityonly" for these fields, > in the hopes of giving a reviewer at least a clue as to what I am doing, but > it isn't a well defined field. > The litmus test is: if you took them out., would you be more worried about > the search engines not seeing your text, or the accessability > implications... > > hope it helps :) > > Lea > -- > Lea de Groot > Elysian Systems > Brisbane, .au > > > > > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org > *** > > -- Make it simple for the people -- http://www.artideias.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Advice on design
hello, i will do it in this way http://www.gaspar.com.pt/ex/banner.gif Cut the bottom of banner and then slice every images of the menus then cut the image height. Then in each link you put the image with diferents height and then the text. Problems of this solution, if u use hover, you have to use a script that change the src of img, easy with mootools and all images have a little yellow blur that is part of the background of the image, u could for the text to start a little down to dont cath de blur. Or forget all this cut all images like the att and then text text text But every link , will have a diferent padding-top and background, and you can use the hover. Good luck for the site. Cheers, gaspar 2008/7/25 Web Dandy Design <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hi, > > I'm looking for some advice on the best way to put together the navigation > for the following design: http://www.webdandy.co.uk/navigation-slice.jpg, > so > that it's standards compliant and accessible (and if at all possible avoids > using images for the text under the nav buttons). > > Thanks, > > Elaine > > http://www.webdandy.co.uk > > > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > -- Make it simple for the people -- http://www.artideias.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Website Accessability Tools
Hello, iam looking for a software to check accessibility but in pages were it needs to be logon. Thanks, Gaspar 2008/4/17 dwain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > marvin, > here are some tools i use for accessibility and link checking. > > http://www.tawdis.net -- there is an offline accessibility checker here > > http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file/fid,6974-order,1-page,1-c,alldownloads/description.html > -- online and offline link checker xenu sleuth > > http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/adesigner/download -- offline or online > accessibility checker > > i have seen an offline html validator, but i can't remember where it is. > > hth, > dwain > > > > On 4/16/08, Marvin Hunkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi. > > does any one know of any good accessible off line software > > accessability tools, for checking broken links, that the right colour > > is for the element on the page, like on my site, for the headings, you > > have a red colour,a nd a good offline vallidator, if not connected to > > the internet. > > if any one can help, let me know and e-mail me privately off list. > > cheers marvin. > > > > -- > > Check out my home page at http://startrekcafe.stevesdomain.net/ > > Check out my Jaws Australia Group at > http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/JawsOz/ > > > > > > -- > > Check out my home page at http://startrekcafe.stevesdomain.net/ > > Check out my Jaws Australia Group at > http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/JawsOz/ > > > > > > *** > > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > *** > > > > > > > > -- > dwain alford > "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; > for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** -- Make it simple for the people -- http://www.artideias.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part
I just gonna say a few words... I dont know and i dont care about laws, one thing iam sure if microsoft could they just erase all other companys and all goes by theres rules, i believe all companys do that. The problem is that microsfot dont care about theirs users, dont care if they could can use the software or not, they just want money money money... and this is the problem in legal ways we cant do nothing against, this is the Capitalism in full power. sow lets fight, lets show all that they are and what they care about. Congratz OPERA, u are there... iam gonna spam, iam gonna argue iam gonna blog... u are not alone, for all hours that i lost, many, in try to get a nice render in ie6, with alpha png and many many other things. Thanks On 14/12/2007, Michael Horowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can't see why government should be enforcing standards. Shouldn't > that be a decision of private companies, developers and users not > government? > > Michael Horowitz > Your Computer Consultant > http://yourcomputerconsultant.com > 561-394-9079 > > > > Al Sparber wrote: > > From: "Michael Horowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Personally I'm looking forward to buying computers with virtually > >> nothing pre installed. I always end up deleting most of it anyway. > >> Alot of people start off by reinstalling the OS to get rid of all the > >> junk the PC manufacturers put on. > > > > Indeed. But to bring it on-topic, I doubt very highly that Opera's > > motivation is standards. If the unimaginable happened and MSIE8 were > > as standards-comformant as Opera, it would also be stronger in the > > marketplace. The best thing that could happen for standards-oriented > > web developers would be that all computers shipped with a single, > > extensible browser appliance with a standards-based module, managed > > and updated by an independent party, being the chief extension. It's > > better that the industry wake up now because eventually someone is > > going to figure out that a browser is an appliance and the only thing > > it should be doing is supporting standards and sitting unobtrusively > > in the background acting as a window to the web. > > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > -- Make it simple for the people -- http://www.artideias.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] how a href with javascript pass in A level
yes thats is my oppinion too, but the clients only gona see if pass or not. And for many developments that's all that matter. On 23/10/2007, Patrick Lauke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Gaspar > > > I think this should get a manual check or warning. > > You should ALWAYS do human checks of whatever an automated validation tools > tells you, unless it's something purely technical (e.g. does markup validate > to spec). > > P > > Patrick H. Lauke > Web Editor > Enterprise & Development > University of Salford > Room 113, Faraday House > Salford, Greater Manchester > M5 4WT > UK > > T +44 (0) 161 295 4779 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > www.salford.ac.uk > > A GREATER MANCHESTER UNIVERSITY > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** -- Make it simple for the people -- http://www.artideias.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] how a href with javascript pass in A level
The problem is that the test pass in level A, and some links doesnt work without javascript but because of a existense of a noscript the test pass. I think this should get a manual check or warning. because almost noscript that i see just tell, this need flash plugin or this site need javascript or simple tell me that javascript is disabled. This it's not alternative information! So all clients that require level A, still gona have a inaccessible site, right!? On 23/10/2007, Dave Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > CynthiaSays should only be used as a first step so passing any online > automated accessibility test by no means guarantee's that a site is > accessible so you should always do a manual check. > > The search is definitely not accessible on the link you've provided as > it simply doesn't work without JavaScript. > > The header (imagemap) also uses JavaScript so this appears broken to > anyone browsing without it. If this same content is still navigable > using the main menu then I wouldn't consider this a major issue > although they should certainly remove the icon (hand pointer) when > JavaScript isn't enabled otherwise it appears clickable when it's not. > > I agree, that maybe the online validation tests should give more > warning that you need to manually test as well but I'd always treat > them as an initial test just to ensure you have the basics in place > before a manual accessibility test takes place. > > Hope that helps. > > Dave > > - - - - - - - - - - > Dave Woods > http://www.dave-woods.co.uk > > > > On 23/10/2007, Gaspar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > iam trying to understand how a page that have 1 or 2 javascript in > > href could pass in level A of WCAG 1. > > > > it have a noscript but that doesnt prove anything, cynthisays.com and > > TAW validators give the some result. I think they should give a > > warning or even a Human check. > > > > To prove if equivalent information are provide? > > > > The site that iam testing is www.alentejolitoral.pt it use a > > "" > > > > but for using a noscript it pass in level A, this should be checked > > by humam, right!? > > > > > > *** > > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > *** > > > > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > -- Make it simple for the people -- http://www.artideias.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] how a href with javascript pass in A level
Hello, iam trying to understand how a page that have 1 or 2 javascript in href could pass in level A of WCAG 1. it have a noscript but that doesnt prove anything, cynthisays.com and TAW validators give the some result. I think they should give a warning or even a Human check. To prove if equivalent information are provide? The site that iam testing is www.alentejolitoral.pt it use a "" but for using a noscript it pass in level A, this should be checked by humam, right!? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Using target="_blank"
"frames for simplicity, ease of navigation" ?! for u i think!! u cant just think that's right just because u do it's easy for u... On 25/07/07, Designer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > That has to be just about the nastiest version of all - I click a link > and get a new window. Fine, not what I wanted, but there was that other > link that looked interesting, I'll just go back to the first window and > open a few more links before I read that page. Hey! Where did they all > go! > > Number one rule of interface design - be consistent. In this business > that means being consistent with what others are doing === follow web > standards === no new windows. > > Mike > As someone said last week, the original idea of target was for use in framesets. If you have a complex site which involves lots of page swapping, there is still nothing to beat frames for simplicity, ease of navigation etc. Users simply love them! -- Bob www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Make it simple for the people -- http://www.artideias.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] To target or not
IN wcag 2, a draft of 17th May of 2007 you can see: » http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-WCAG20-20070517/#consistent-behavior Guideline 3.2 Make Web pages appear and operate in predictable ways 3.2.1 On Focus: When any component receives focus, it does not initiate a change of context. (Level A) #changes of context change of: 1.user agent; 2.viewport; 3.focus; 4.content that changes the meaning of the Web page. Note: A change of content is not always a change of context. Small changes in content, such as an expanding outline or dynamic menu, do not change the context. #viewport object in which the user agent presents content Note 1: The user agent presents content through one or more viewports. Viewports include windows, frames, loudspeakers, and virtual magnifying glasses. A viewport may contain another viewport (e.g., nested frames). User agent user interface controls such as prompts, menus, and alerts are not viewports. Note 2: This definition is based on User Agent Accessibility Guidelines 1.0 Glossary. I believe that force user to open in new window is force to change the context. I think is more wise give to the user the chanse to choose open or not open in new window. And what we could do is get a way of make that job easier, and not choose for the user. On 19/07/07, Philip Kiff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Joyce Evans wrote: > I always thought it was a good idea to open links to other websites > in a separate window, so you don't lose the visitor. [...] I think that the weight of public opinion has been steadily turning against this view over the past 10 years or so. I would be interested in knowing if there is any current research that supports the theory that opening links in new windows will somehow keep visitors interested in your site longer. Sure it may keep them *stuck* there longer, but does that keep them *interested*? My impression is that in 2007 the reverse is true. There is certainly a considerable amount of anecdotal evidence that suggests that for a certain percentage of web users, nothing infuriates them more than forcing causing a new window to pop-up unexpectedly when you click on a link. I personally now use a JavaScript snippet to strip all target="_blank" entries from the DOM before rendering pages are rendered in my browser. From a web standards perspective, the argument against opening links in new windows dates back to the very first W3C Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (1999), if not before: Guideline 10.1 Until user agents allow users to turn off spawned windows, do not cause pop-ups or other windows to appear and do not change the current window without informing the user. [Priority 2] http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT/#gl-interim-accessibility See also, the WCAG "Techniques" document notes for 10.5: http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-HTML-TECHS/#no-new-windows Lastly, if one really must spawn new windows with certain links, then I quite like the method suggested by Bill Posters (note that this is apparently still a Work In Progress): http://test.newplasticarts.co.uk/dom-js/flag-toggle-external-links/ Phil. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Make it simple for the people -- http://www.artideias.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] To target or not
But all this examples doesnt still force the users to open a new window!?! So i not use target="blank", it's the somethink, or i have turn off javascript to be forced to open in a new Window!? I many times think in this, and think in a way of using a class="" or rel="" to a , this activate a javascript function that take the href="" in question and creat after that element another elemente but with target="_blank" and just a image that everyone use for "new window". I know that this will duplicate the code, but just on fly, and the user will not be forced to open in new window, he have the possibility to choose. Or anything of this is wrong? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Use of PDFs - Accessibility issues
I thing PDF may be delivery as a complement for save the doc to our computer. And should not be the single format for a web document, only if theres no other better way to display it. I thing there is no format to the web more complaint than a html web page. I like PDF when i want to save the dock to my computer to print or read later. But even read later i prefer to go to the web page, it could have been updated or have more useful comments. So i thing that "marketing agency" dont know nothing about web or web accessbility. If they know they should tell that should recommend PDF as a complement and not to replace HTML. Gaspar On 08/06/07, Andrew Maben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jun 7, 2007, at 6:16 PM, Nick Gleitzman wrote: Nick Roper wrote: Just to confirm, the recommendation from the agency is to replace existing html content with PDF version, not to provide PDFs as an additional alternative. Nick, you've made it fairly clear that your question is about accessiblity in PDFs, rather than whether or not it's a good idea to use them - but I'm afraid the most common answer you're likely to get is going to be: don't rely on them exclusively. The web is for HTML; the ability to deliver other file types is possible, but not the best option if accessiblity is desired. As printable alternatives, sure, I guess (but what's wrong with a good print style sheet?) - but I'm thinking of a number of Aust Govt sites which insist on delivering critical info as PDFs and even Word docs, which I find astonishingly short-sighted, as well as probably an abuse of accessiblity guidelines, if not legislation. What if I don't have Word installed (and why should I?)? The site may certainly need an IA overhaul, if it's been mangled over time by too many cooks - but that's no reason to stop using HTML in favour of PDF, surely. I think the site owners should have it pointed out to them that the agency's recommendations are simply out of touch with what's needed. From WCAG Samurai Errata: "We ban most PDFs: PDFs that should be HTML are banned unless they are accompanied by HTML. All other PDFs have to be tagged." Andrew 109B SE 4th Av Gainesville FL 32601 Cell: 352-870-6661 http://www.andrewmaben.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] "In a well designed user interface, the user should not need instructions." *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Make it simple for the people -- http://www.artideias.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] .NET generate horrible html, i need some lights
I've been reading some stuff of Ms, http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa479043.aspx. We use both .net 2 and 1 or 1.1, i think they dont care much about if a menu is tables inside a table but i fighting against taht proving that the weight is 3 /5 times more and semantic of elements. but first i want to understand what can i do to help they sow i want to learn all about compliant ASP. Jason i dont understand quite well what does this.. "Due to adaptive rendering, if you want to validate using W3C validator add the following file (remove .txt) to a directory called App_Browsers http://idunno.org/misc/w3cvalidator.browser.txt"; Validates the code no need to rendering the code in browers? Thanks to everyone Gaspar *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js, document.submit & IE
I thinks this would help,
http://www.friendsofed.com/download.html?isbn=1590595335
"DOM Scripting"
he have somes examples it's allowed to download, in chapter 11 on
contact.html see the example.
And if u buy the book u will learn some good stuff .
On 04/03/07, Chris Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have built a standard form with a list of options using radio buttons.
The form is for internal use only but I still want to maintain standards
and accessibility.
To improve the look of it for the client I have added some javascript
which hides the buttons and uses onclick events on the labels so that
the submit button doesn't need to be clicked.
This works fine on Firefox but does not work on IE with javascript enabled.
I did a search and found that there may be a conflict where there is a
document.submit and a submit button in the html.
I tried removing the submit button using the DOM but that has no effect.
I was rather pleased to get this working on Firefox as its my first
attempt at completely separating scripting and html.
Can anyone shed any light on this?
See code below.
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window.onload = initElement
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var inputs,i;
if (document.library_form) {
inputs=document.getElementsByTagName('input')
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[WSG] .NET generate horrible html, i need some lights
Hello everyone, I always work with PHP, use it to output my (x)HTML in the way i want. Now a get to a agency that only work with ASP, i just can believe that there's no way to avoid runnet"_server", IDs with 1000 characters, the some IDs on , values of forms with 50lines height, and the form at the start that dont let me usa any Strict Language. Iam not good with ASP, many of the functions i dont understand, i do know that some of this points are easy to change but others like the bigs ID. Iam working with the interface/html team and maybe the team that build the aplications wouldn be so open to that changes, they say that is easiest and quicky putting the native elements of .net tham building, i believe that but and the others people that update or even the weight of pages. I just want to help change this, http://www.ispa.pt u could check the biggest value of a form that i see. Could someone give me some links or some stuff that someone without knowledge of ASP could help implementing some improves generate GOOD (X)HTML Many thanks, Gaspar I have already have found some: http://www.charon.co.uk/content.aspx?CategoryID=28&ArticleID=53 http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2007/02/20/asp-net-ajax-and-sharepoint.aspx http://www.webstandards.org/2004/10/08/aspnet-standards-part-ii/ http://www.aspnetresources.com/articles/default.aspx http://www.aspnetresources.com/articles/HttpFilters.aspx -- Make it simple for the people -- http://www.artideias.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] alternative to target="_blank" in xhtml 1.1
I use a javascript that run into the ul list links and give them a target="_blank" on fly if someone click it. I know that this may not be the best way, some people wouldn´t know that a new window will open. I try in the some script to use a NW inside of the and only if they click in abbr will open in new window. for now it just give a target="_blank" to specifics links. www.waynext.pt On 25/02/07, Gunlaug Sørtun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ricky Onsman wrote: > When it comes down to it, I think most people (and yes, that means > people using IE) will just left-click on a link. If you want > something particular to happen, you'd better code it in. I think we're going in circles here, and it doesn't look like they are entirely within "best practices" and/or "web standards". Problem: 1: Properly served XHTML 1.1 (as 'application/xhtml+xml') doesn't show up as much in IE. (Shouldn't be any different on an intranet, but maybe it is..? ) 2: Alternatives to target="_blank" is needed because people using IE don't know how to open links in new windows and will just left-click on a link. Solution: 1: On the web most people (and yes, that means people using IE) won't, or at least "should not"[1], see the XHTML 1.1 document at all, so most people won't need to open its links anywhere. 2: If IE users _can_ see the XHTML 1.1 document - regardless of whether its on an intranet or out on the world wide web, then it isn't really following standards anyway. No valid alternative to target="_blank" will improve much on that. 3: If IE is excluded and all is according to standards, then _any_ method that isn't deprecated in the XHTML 1.1 standard, can be used to circumvent that particular standard. Enough alternatives in this thread already. I think I derailed in a curve - somewhere :-) Georg [1]http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-media-types/#summary -- http://www.gunlaug.no *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Make it simple for the people -- http://www.artideias.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Vertical positioning of text
This was a very popular problem, there some ways to try to substitute that lack...U could see some were http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg%40webstandardsgroup.org/msg26048.html -- http://www.artideias.com
Re: [WSG] Styling Fieldset and Legend Elements
There is another example and a way of do it...It´s in portuguese my native, but if you follow the cod it´s easy, and pretty-- http://www.artideias.com
Re: [WSG] FireFox eating Div
That´s all about float elements... Your it's not floating, it's generate and foloow the flux of HTML, the ul#nav it's inside but it's floating it means that´s above but the height of wrapper it is not influenced by the float element unless they are bot floating... You could try put both float and u will see that the height it's influenced by both elements... This it´s the cause to FF it does not recognize the height and join the both height-- Nuno Gaspar - Designer ---http://www.artideias.com
Re: [WSG] Vertical align
2006/2/10, Roberto Santana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hello! I want to create an horizontal bar with some elements on it, some text, a text box for searches, and date & time, just below the top part of the page. What's the best way to create a vertical-center content with XHTML 1.0 Strict and CSS2? Thanks! Hello, that´s it's always a problem, i thing vertical-align only works with "inline-level and 'table-cell' elements". u have to deal with the padding or margin and heigh... depends of what u are using... your text gonna start hat same nivel and you have to ajust to the text box-- Nuno Gaspar - Designer ---http://www.artideias.com
