Re: [WSG] Comment before the DOCTYPE?
Yes, it is there to force the quirks mode. I personally prefer the XML prolog there (however I don't know why I haven't placed it in my StyleMaster template :/ ...). It works as well... More info on topic: http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/about-boxmodel.htm -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] I'll Have Fries(Chips)With My CMS
I think that Drupal.org is far better than Mambo... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Comment before the DOCTYPE?
I think it is a lot easier to treat all IE/win (5+) as one and the same, so I always use the ?xml... prolog. Me too. I also prefer to throw all IE/Win into one basket... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] when xhtml2?
Five to ten years I think... It's a concept of a direction ve should lead to, but it's just a subject of discussion now. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] empty named anchors
Can anyone clarify? Me not :) However I'd use construction like ... h1 id=tocTable of contents/h1 ... and you're done. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Two CSS Question
multiple media attrib values are to be seperated by a comma _only_ Huh, thanks for the info, never noticed it. (Alhough I don't put the space there, just surprised with it) -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] background-image:
perfectly safe, no scrollbars, and indeed you don't even need the span element. just set the text-indent on the a, and the text will be offscreen, with the background image still in place. That's nice, however ... I've never gotten that technique to work properly in Opera. It always either a) makes scrollbars b) displays some of the text despite insane negative text-indent values... ... I'm quite afraid of that :( Add top:-1000px; left:-1000px; and you'll be bullet proof ;) No scrollbar problems here? Actually... Why the hell do we need to do this? :( Screen readers should only stick with the aural styles and not the screen ones (not ignoring elements, that are not to be displayed) so only display: none in screen style would do the work :'( ... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] background-image:
Just like with browsers, what screenreaders *should* do is not always the same as what they *actually* do in practice. I know, I know... I just needed to vent it :( -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help - newbie
standards ( like Dreamweaver MX ? ) Eh, I won't suggest it to beginner - skilled coder knows all the gotchas, but beginner may just stuck with the WYSIWYG and do it badly. Everebody in our workshop works with PSPad on almost everything. If you want to try WYSIWYG I'd suggest trying NVU... and where should I start for tips on accessibility and standards compliance. For example here :) It's up to you if you prefer articles on webmagazines (alistapart.com etc.) or reading books (see amazon.com). -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Conditional comments
Does this really work on IE? Can I really use transparency in my PNG-24 and have IE display it? Or is there some hidden catch? It is used so here: http://dev.alphanumeric.cz/webspace -- there are some gotchas, like making the whole block transparent, so it's not to possible to click on it if it's an anchor etc., so some further adjustments are needed :( -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Conditional comments
I'm pushing transparency to IE this way:
#logo {
background: url('img/logo.png') no-repeat;
}
* html #logo {
background: none;
filter:
progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader(src='img/logo.png',sizingMethod='scale');
}
and it's even better to place all this non-standard crap in something
like iecrap.css and link this by conditional comment.
Or - the idea with PHP:
#logo {
background: url('img/logo.php') no-repeat;
}
and the logo.php file would check user-agent string and decide, whether
to send PNG headers and fpassthru logo.png or to send GIF headers and
fpassthru logo.gif ...
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Re: [WSG] background-image:
Hi Patrick,
a span { display: block; text-indent: -999em; }
is this safe? (won't it bring some scrollbars somehow etc.?)
I recently tried something like
.hide {
display: block;
width: 0;
height: 0;
overflow: hidden;
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
font-size: 0px;
position: absolute;
}
and not also 100% sure about it...
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Re: [WSG] setting height of a 'li' element
And what about line-height? It could be applicable here. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Behaviors
Hi list, can someone provide any piece of information about behaviors in CSS, please? I've just went thru http://www.w3.org/TR/becss and http://www.w3.org/TR/xbl/ , but is here someone with practical info? Thank you, Jan. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Behaviors
Damn :( Although it (AFAIK) is adopted as standard(?) it is practically useless :( Dziekuje, Jan. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Brisbane meeting - preferred topic?
Hi Andrew, I presonally vote for option 1. Safely Hacking CSS ...plus a little bit more ;) :) P.S -- don't worry if you're not from Brissy, you can still voice your preference as the resources will go online aswell :) Nice... Unfortunately not planning to attend it (few thousand kms aren't easy to travel :D), so I'm happy to hear this. Anybody to shot some pics or footage? ;) -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Another Zen Garden Entry
Perhaps designing for 480x640 then instead of 640x480...;) :DD Actually, noc necessarily - these VGA gadgets can operate in landscape mode... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Two CSS Question
It involves using an XMLHttpRequest Object Yes, it can be also used. I think it's interesting that a method developed by MircoSoft for an ActiveX extension is being discussed in a site for Apple developers. Why not? Nowadays it's quite widely used in JS - eg. GMail is based on it AFAIK. It is supported in latest IE, Gecko or Opera (don't know the situation on OSX) The article says the W3C is considering a standard for the XMLHttpRequest Object. Good news. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Two CSS Question
Why not? Nowadays it's quite widely used in JS - eg. GMail is based on it AFAIK. It is supported in latest IE, Gecko or Opera (don't know the situation on OSX) Well, GMail works on the various browsers (ok, I havent tested *all* of them), so I can report it works there too :) Yep, I know, but it might gracefully degrade there so it worked (via another - maybe server-side technology etc. - haven't seen it in action). However at least in Safari 1.2 it works. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Two CSS Question
I'm sorry - I'll try that again. No problem, I got it. That'll teach me to post before morning caffeine! :( People after evening r**bull will surely forgive you ;)) -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] problems fitting content in third column in IE win
Well, Bruce, it is broken in FF 0.9.3 Win too... http://tmp.alphanumeric.cz/Image31.png -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Another Zen Garden Entry
Just a personal preference, but it is awesome looking. Not only your personal preference... As a showcase of some key features of CSS technology it's OK even if it's not so usable, not em-sized etc. Actually I think the colors are great, I love this combination of this tint of green with that pink... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Another Zen Garden Entry
we arent designing for 600 * 480 anymore! Well, maybe we'll begin again shortly - new PDAs are comming to the market with VGA (480x640) resolution... :P -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Two CSS Question
link, providing two media types separated bya a comma and a space: link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href=style.css media=screen, projection / If you need to use a style switcher, link is the only choice. I personally prefer using link rather than @import. @import has another issue, called FOUC Yes, this is the information I wanted to send to the list - I also prefer link w/ 2 medias... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Popups (plus, standards-based event handling)
window.onload = externalLinks; This is fine, if it's the only code you are assigning to onload, but it overwrites any previous onloads and is overwritten by subsequent onloads. ... Another issue is that it works only after loading the whole page... I use it in (testing setup of) a photogallery on http://lesik.cz/index.php?i=4 and visitor has to wait for the whole page to load to have it fully functional (Actually they don't wait and the have the less functional version...). So I was wondering if placing the script right after all the gallery XHTML instead of having it in head and waiting for onload event could help solve this... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] London Web Standards Conference
I'd love to be there too, I'll try to manage it somehow. PS: Cool website, congratulations Patrick. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] PC IE problem
Huh, don't know why, but this quick'n'dirty hack worked:
* html #banner {width: 101.9%;}
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Re: [WSG] XHTML complient in-browser Rich Text Editor.
HTMLArea3RC, FCKEditor... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Gallery markup
The only thing I would bring up with regards to the markup is that I really don't see how those elements could be marked up as paragraphs. I definitely agree with you Collin. I just want to show this as an example how to structure it in a different way than by some types of lists. It is neither an ideal nor the only solution... I personally like the definiton lists here, but I can't decide whether they are semantically correct for this use... (PS: I'm sorry for my English, I hope you can understand it...) -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Search Engines/Spiders and SSIs
Right... The bot can't find out, if the page is a static HTML file or dynamically generated output by some sort of server-side technology... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] External Links Won't Validate (URL Cleaner doesn't help)
= amp; -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] External Links Won't Validate (URL Cleaner doesn't help)
Change to amp;, e.g. http://www.pcmls.com/willlange/cgi-bin/aa.fcgi?aacmd=resultsamp; id=dauckfamp;r=1amp;f=0amp;t=0 Did you test this link you just sent me because it doesn't work? It works fine... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE PC Problem with
Otherwise - LOVE THE SITE I agree. However, the main menu doesn't work in FF 0.9.3... And the problem in IE - try to use some IE-only rules (* html foo) to adjust it. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Validation Error
W3C CSS Validator Results for http://ckimedia.com/ No error or warning found Congratulations! Valid CSS! This document validates as CSS! ... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE 5
I know many of you are running IE 5, and wondered if you had encountered any problems running multiple versions? Nope, because: http://www.skyzyx.com/archives/94.php ... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] voice browser
You should try Fangs (Jaws emulator plugin for FF) before... http://www.standards-schmandards.com/index.php?2004/11/22/8-fangs-release-05 -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS alignment issues
Take a look at http://www.jakpsatweb.cz/css/css-vertical-center-solution.html ... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] an even more amazing css zen garden entry
WOW... Yeah, that's the right one to be posted here : Sweet 90ies ;) -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com * PF 2005: http://tmp.alphanumeric.cz/pf2005.jpg * ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE6 Doctype Quirks Mode
Never include the ?xml declaration. And then use UTF-8. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Table with alternating row colours
Is this a limitation of the CSS model that you can't do this? Is there a logical way this can be incorporated into CSS? CSS3 -- http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/CR-css3-selectors-2003/#structural-pseudos tr:nth-child(2n+1) /* represents every odd row of a HTML table */ tr:nth-child(odd) /* same */ tr:nth-child(2n) /* represents every even row of a HTML table */ tr:nth-child(even) /* same */ -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Template StyleSheet
The W3 Spec for CSS2 has one for HTML4 but I don't see any ryhme or reason in the way it's laid it out. They're recommending that all developers use this stylesheet as a template. Can someone explain it to me? Well, I will at least try to... This generic stylesheet is provided by W3C to unify all the default settings of browsers to avoid eg. unexpected margins or different heading size in various ones. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Hover psuedo-class issues
Does anyone know of any existing (and much simpler) JavaScript libraries that enable :hover, :focus, and :active for non anchor tags for IE? Look it up in http://alistapart.com/articles/dropdowns -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] My Site
Try http://colorschemer.com/ Have a look at http://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] neat code in A9 search
How do I remove this BOM marker once it's inserted? Damn it, it causes all my XSL transformations on Java to fail! I use PSPad (www.pspad.com), it doest it transparently (if set in preferences). -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] neat code in A9 search
BOM is a Unicode standard. Without BOM, applications have to waste resources... But not in UTF-8. There they are not used and will not be. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Testing for standards in different web browsers, 3 questions.
All of this was answered here some two days ago... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible
Some advice for Windows users - don't bother with those Mac emulators that only let you run Mac OS 7.5... If this is targeted to me, than thanks for advice, but don't be afraid, I'll try to run Panther via PearPC. And I'm going to buy an (i|Power)Book soon (I love it, but Mac is not much common here in Central Europe, only DTP ops and some designers have it). -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible
I use http://www.browsercam.com, its got practically every UA Well, it's really good and useful service. However if you need to test the styles and edit them on-the-fly, it's a bit difficult. Anyways... it's still a great idea... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] delay in dropdown menu loading in IE
now the problem is when the site is loading the drop down menu doesn't work till the whole site is loaded. this only happen in ie so i think it's a problem with the javascript. It looks like the JS handler is called after loading the whole page (onload)... I'm doing it in a bit different way - I'm not firing the listeners after loading the whole page, but after loading just the menu, it's enough. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] delay in dropdown menu loading in IE
mind sharing how you get the function to fire off after the menus are loaded? Just move the script element out of the head tag and place it just after the menu markup. Then exchange if (window.attachEvent) window.attachEvent(onload, sfHover); with sfHover(); and it should work. I know this way is not much clean, but it works better in some cases. For example I use it to attach some behavior to photogallery thumbnails... Because waiting for the whole page (w/ images) to load is a bit problematic - many users click on the links there before loading the whole page and they see only the nonJS alternative, which is not so rich... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1: no more iframes
may I find out why exactly? Due to modularization. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible
I'll show my setup... 1) IE 6 (at least 3 versions of them?), IE 5.5, IE/Mac and below (I've got IE 6 but how do I install IE 5.5 and where do I find it?) IE 4.0, IE 5.01, IE 5.5, IE 6.0, planning IE/Mac via PearPC. http://www.skyzyx.com/archives/94.php 2) Mozilla/Firefox (no issue finding them here, but usually the install instructions advise us not to have more than 1 version of Mozilla etc) PH 0.5, FF 1.0, Moz 1.0, Moz 1.3, Moz 1.6 in different dirs 3) Opera (only got the most recent version but they seem pretty consistent throughout the major revisions) They aren't much consistent :'( Actually having 6.01, 7.00, 7.21, 7.23, 7.50, 7.54 4) Netscape (anybody still got a copy of that ugly monster 4? I'd like to have it) None, because it gets unsyled docs... http://browsers.evolt.org/?navigator/32bit 5) Konqueror 2.2.2, 3.3.2 6) Epiphany None. 7) Safari (it's supposed to be based on Konqueror so I do my testing based on the results from Konqueror due to the lack of a Mac) None, planning 1.2 via PearPC (or via buying an iBook). Safari 1.1+ (?) is slightly different from Konqueror. 8) PDA UAs (got an IPaq, yay) PocketIE on PPC2002 and WM2003, N6230, Opera SSR. How many machines do you have running in your cubicle? One. (Linux LiveCD, PearPC, VMWare... etc.) Well, actually I do not test with all of these browsers. I'm checking the results only in few of the latest... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1: no more iframes
Due to modularization. http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-xhtml-modularization-20010410/abstract_modules.html#s_iframemodule http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-xhtml-modularization-20010410/introduction.html#s_intro -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry
I know I'm way out on a limb with this one, but the ocean thing really doesn't do anything for me... The diver/flashlight effect is cool (even though it looks a bit nasty as it goes over the gradient) and the rendered ocean floor has really nice lighting, but besides that... I have to agree with your post, Andrew. This is quite interesting toy for playing, but the overall look'n'feel really doesn't seem wow to me... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] accessible image form buttons
But I have noticed some browsers completely ignore input styles. Yes, but it is partly a good thing - some elements should really be rendered by the system GUI... See http://www.pixy.cz/blog/obrazky/styled-forms.gif for comparison. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Visual rendering in gecko with app/xhtml
Your two example pages look identical to me. Running Firefox 1.0 on Windows XP Sorry, my fault... Now it should be OK. (You've seen another interesting fact - if html element has an attached bg, body always shrinks to fit only the content) -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Visual rendering in gecko with app/xhtml
difference between HTML and XHTML. This is usually referred to as BODY not being magical anymore, and it's expected behaviour. OK, thank you for information, I found it mentioned also in http://www.mozilla.org/docs/web-developer/faq.html#xhtmldiff - new feature to me, so I just wanted to find some background about it. Thanks for your time. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Visual rendering in gecko with app/xhtml
need to apply styles to html to style the entire viewport. Well, actually this behavior is also somehow magic :) - html is just another element and is not connected to the viewport... So it might someday be threated the same as now the body is :) // Yes, I agree this behavior is alright and I know the solution - I just wanted someone to show me this point written or described somewhere, that's all - thanks for it. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Visual rendering in gecko with app/xhtml
Hi all, I've come across a weird thing - Gecko browsers in XHTML 1.1 with Content-Type: application/xhtml+xml render the visual style of the body element in a bit different way than without this header (so the SGML parser processes it differently than the XML parser). You can see it here - http://tmp.anum.biz/bug-app-xhtml.php and http://tmp.anum.biz/bug-app-xhtml.php?xml=false ... It looks that the body style is applied only to the content area, not to the whole viewport, as it used to. It can be solved by styling html element instead of the body element, but I just want to ask in general - is this difference a standard behavior and a standard interpretation of the XML parser? -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
