RE: [WSG] Use of PDFs - Accessibility issues
Handheld users CAN view PDF. XDA's PDA's Blackberry Symbian etc etc... PDF can be made accessible just look at the features of Acrobats latest inception in CS3 Suite. Thanks, Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Faulds Sent: 07 June 2007 23:00 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Use of PDFs - Accessibility issues There was some discussion recently about how hard it is to create accessible PDFs (ie very hard) but I would've thought the obvious reason not to do it is that not everyone has a PDF reader installed so why potentially cut off some of your content from certain users? If it's in HTML at least everyone's going to be able to see it. Also, are handheld users able to view PDFs? I would've thought not. On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 01:04:01 +1000, Nick Roper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all, please let me know if this post is inappropriate for this list. If so then please point me elsewhere. We have a client for whom we created a website some 7 years ago. The site has developed over the years, and now comprises approximately 140 pages across a dozen or so categories. The customer is a hotel/leisure/golf resort in the UK and has two main types of site visitor: 1) Club members (approx 5000) 2) Non members that are looking for weekend breaks, golf venues, wedding venues, dining, conference facilities etc. The current site uses 99.9% html for content, with a server-based CMS that we developed and put in place at the outset, and which is used to update the site several times a day with news of results, events, etc, etc. Anyway, to get to the point, the customer has now been advised by a marketing agency that the site should be reduced in size to approx 45 key pages, and that the majority of content for things such as conference room specification and rates, bedroom specs and rates, menus, events, golf rates, membership rates etc, should be made available in PDF form instead of the html pages that are on the current site. I am aware that recent versions of Adobe allow more accessible PDF content to be created, but I would be grateful for thoughts on the use of PDF content instead of html content. Just to confirm, the recommendation from the agency is to replace existing html content with PDF version, not to provide PDFs as an additional alternative. I have researched articles on various sites, and the general advice seems to be that PDFs have their place when specific layout or functionality requires, but that these are generally considered to be fairly exceptional cases, such as legal forms that must be delivered in an original format, or multi-columnar information that cannot be degraded to an acceptable single column layout. I know that the customer will quite possibly consider any representation from us to avoid going down this path as an attempt to protect our interests in redevelopment proposals, so I would be very grateful for feedback and recommendations from others. Many thanks, -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Use of PDFs - Accessibility issues
I didn't make an extensive list but yes, some devices don't / won't do PDF. Newer handheld smartphones hitting the consumer market are not geared more towards improving these issues. Cheers, Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hassan Schroeder Sent: 07 June 2007 23:46 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Use of PDFs - Accessibility issues Mark Hedley wrote: Handheld users CAN view PDF. Rather a sweeping statement -- my SideKick II certainly can't. Though I can't imagine that I'd want it to -- it's bad enough that so many HTML sites don't linearize well to a small screen. A fixed format like PDF would be really painful to deal with... -- Hassan Schroeder - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com opinion: webtuitive.blogspot.com dream. code. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Use of PDFs - Accessibility issues
[ED] I did of course mean they are now more geared towards improving these issues [/ED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Hedley Sent: 07 June 2007 23:51 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Use of PDFs - Accessibility issues I didn't make an extensive list but yes, some devices don't / won't do PDF. Newer handheld smartphones hitting the consumer market are not geared more towards improving these issues. Cheers, Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hassan Schroeder Sent: 07 June 2007 23:46 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Use of PDFs - Accessibility issues Mark Hedley wrote: Handheld users CAN view PDF. Rather a sweeping statement -- my SideKick II certainly can't. Though I can't imagine that I'd want it to -- it's bad enough that so many HTML sites don't linearize well to a small screen. A fixed format like PDF would be really painful to deal with... -- Hassan Schroeder - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com opinion: webtuitive.blogspot.com dream. code. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] ie positioning help needed
A filter would only be required for IE6 and to be fair... who uses it still?! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thierry Koblentz Sent: 02 June 2007 23:34 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] ie positioning help needed On Behalf Of kevin mcmonagle Hi-first this is a confusing post but i cant put it simply. Hi Kevin, I think you should first clean up that document. There are empty DIVs all over the place, you have a heading inside a SPAN element, a mispelled attribute (dl clas=event) and a few other things. The page is a mess in ie6 and as a side note, this browser won't do PNG transparency on that gradient unless you use a filter. Did you consider using that gradient as the background image of the DL instead? I don't think the effect would be much different if the stacking contect is reversed and that would also let pointing device users reach the entire scrollbar (unless, of course, this is part of the effect you're looking for). --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] ie positioning help needed
In my experience, not many. But hey ho. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thierry Koblentz Sent: 03 June 2007 00:18 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] ie positioning help needed On Behalf Of Mark Hedley A filter would only be required for IE6 Isn't what I said? and to be fair... who uses it still?! Most people? --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] ie positioning help needed
Scary! People need to wake up. I guess I am fortunate to not deal with many IE6 users in the work I do. This isn't to say I don't make my work compatible. I'd avoid PNG filters on IE6 personally as I find it dirty. To get back on-topic the site in question should ideally be re-written with more though-process before the coding. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Gleitzman Sent: 03 June 2007 00:50 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] ie positioning help needed On 3 Jun 2007, at 8:44 AM, Mark Hedley wrote: ...for IE6 and to be fair... who uses it still?! How about 56% of your audience?! http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2007/May/browser.php N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Firefox Wmode
Mark Hedley Web Development Manager Mayborn Baby Child Division http://www.tommeetippee.com http://www.tommeetippee.com/ Jackel International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1894022). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Sangenic International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1308939). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Jackel International and Sangenic International are part of the Mayborn Group This transmission and any attachments are confidential and are intended solely for the named addressee(s). If you are not the addressee, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this transmission and notify us immediately by telephone (0191) 2501864 or by reply. Please then delete this transmission from your system. You should also be aware that all incoming e-mails are monitored for system security purposes. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ByteDreams Sent: 29 May 2007 18:36 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Firefox Wmode Have you checked the adobe site for info? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Gribben Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:28 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Firefox Wmode Hello, Does anyone have any experience dealing with the bug in Firefox that disables mouseover events in Flash when the animation file is placed in an absolutely positioned element and the Wmode parameter of the animation is set to transparent or opaque? I've built a page where an animation is positioned beneath some other elements, and a button is not clickable in Firefox. Thanks, John *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Firefox Wmode
Have you tried giving the element a z-index? I used to have similar issues with a menu which displayed over a flash element. Using a z-index solved this. Hope that's useful? Regards, Mark Hedley Web Development Manager Tommee Tippee http://www.tommeetippee.com/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ByteDreams Sent: 29 May 2007 18:36 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Firefox Wmode Have you checked the adobe site for info? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Gribben Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:28 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Firefox Wmode Hello, Does anyone have any experience dealing with the bug in Firefox that disables mouseover events in Flash when the animation file is placed in an absolutely positioned element and the Wmode parameter of the animation is set to transparent or opaque? I've built a page where an animation is positioned beneath some other elements, and a button is not clickable in Firefox. Thanks, John *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Firefox Wmode
Just set the element with a z-index and the problem will be solved. Cheers, Mark From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted Drake Sent: 29 May 2007 19:27 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Firefox Wmode John wrote: Hello, Does anyone have any experience dealing with the bug in Firefox that disables mouseover events in Flash when the animation file is placed in an absolutely positioned element and the Wmode parameter of the animation is set to transparent or opaque? I've built a page where an animation is positioned beneath some other elements, and a button is not clickable in Firefox. Thanks, John --- Do you have other flash items on the page? We had a problem like this while building Yahoo! Tech. We played around with z-index elements for days. Eventually, we discovered an overlapping flash module that was actually throwing a transparent layer above other elements. While the bad flash movie was fairly small, it had animated sections that grew and caused the problem. Also go through your javascript and look for anything that is creating a container with z-index that could be causing an overlap. I hope that helps Ted Drake www.last-child.com http://www.last-child.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] OT on list
Where on the site do you sign up for the CMS List? I am also after support from people in this list. Cheers, Mark From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Ross Sent: 29 May 2007 20:04 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] OT on list My apologies to the group... I was not aware of the CMS list. Is there a way to have the entire post, http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg@webstandardsgroup.org/msg28689.html ported over to the [WSG-CMS] list? Regards, Kevin. On 5/29/07, Nick Gleitzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks Is it just me. or have a whole slew of recent posts been OT? CMS: there's a CMS list just for you guys. Please use it... Photoshop and JAWS: sorry, Marvin, but that's just OT for this list. Can we get back to the on topic issues of Web Standards, perchance? Check the guidelines - if you you need to preface a post with, This is probably OT, but... then it is. So don't post... Thanks N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Content Management issue ?
Id recommend you look at: Drupal - http://www.drupal.org OpenCMS - http://www.opencms.org TradingEYE CMS - http://www.tradingeye.com There are a lot of other solutions out there but by far these three stick out. Mark Hedley Web Development Manager Mayborn Baby Child Division http://www.tommeetippee.com Jackel International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1894022). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Sangenic International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1308939). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Jackel International and Sangenic International are part of the Mayborn Group This transmission and any attachments are confidential and are intended solely for the named addressee(s). If you are not the addressee, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this transmission and notify us immediately by telephone (0191) 2501864 or by reply. Please then delete this transmission from your system. You should also be aware that all incoming e-mails are monitored for system security purposes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Ross Sent: 28 May 2007 16:51 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Content Management issue ? Hi: I have a question which has surfaced due to an upcoming requirement. I have built a web site for a client who now wants to be able to manage the site on her own. She is computer literate, but not a web designer, by any means. I am new to the idea of Content Management systems and am really trying to wrap my brain around what they really do and how to set one up. I guess I am wondering how other designers handle this type of issue? How do you setup clients to manage their own site so they are not having to take a detailed course in Web Design. I hope my concern is understood, as I have been thinking about this issue for a while and have investigated certain software... Joomla, Wordpress... Can anyone lend a hand? Thanks very much... Regards, Kevin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Content Management issue ?
Pleasure. Let us all know how you get on. Regards, Mark Hedley Web Development Manager Mayborn Baby Child Division http://www.tommeetippee.com Jackel International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1894022). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Sangenic International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1308939). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Jackel International and Sangenic International are part of the Mayborn Group This transmission and any attachments are confidential and are intended solely for the named addressee(s). If you are not the addressee, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this transmission and notify us immediately by telephone (0191) 2501864 or by reply. Please then delete this transmission from your system. You should also be aware that all incoming e-mails are monitored for system security purposes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Ross Sent: 28 May 2007 19:44 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Content Management issue ? Thanks for your input. Regards, Kevin. On 5/28/07, Mark Hedley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Id recommend you look at: Drupal - http://www.drupal.org OpenCMS - http://www.opencms.org TradingEYE CMS - http://www.tradingeye.com There are a lot of other solutions out there but by far these three stick out. Mark Hedley Web Development Manager Mayborn Baby Child Division http://www.tommeetippee.com Jackel International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1894022). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Sangenic International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1308939). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Jackel International and Sangenic International are part of the Mayborn Group This transmission and any attachments are confidential and are intended solely for the named addressee(s). If you are not the addressee, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this transmission and notify us immediately by telephone (0191) 2501864 or by reply. Please then delete this transmission from your system. You should also be aware that all incoming e-mails are monitored for system security purposes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Ross Sent: 28 May 2007 16:51 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Content Management issue ? Hi: I have a question which has surfaced due to an upcoming requirement. I have built a web site for a client who now wants to be able to manage the site on her own. She is computer literate, but not a web designer, by any means. I am new to the idea of Content Management systems and am really trying to wrap my brain around what they really do and how to set one up. I guess I am wondering how other designers handle this type of issue? How do you setup clients to manage their own site so they are not having to take a detailed course in Web Design. I hope my concern is understood, as I have been thinking about this issue for a while and have investigated certain software... Joomla, Wordpress... Can anyone lend a hand? Thanks very much... Regards, Kevin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Suggestions Please for: CMS / E-commerce Solutions
Hi everyone. I am currently looking for a cost-effective (preferably opensource) solution to run our companies UK based web site. I have looked at TradingEye PHP Store and have spoke in depth with Wladimir however some features seem restrictive for our needs. If time was not an issue I would create a system from my own experiences however time is a luxury I do not have at the moment and our system needs an overhaul from an administrative point of view. I only took on the development role in May 2006 and I am slowly getting things in order but still a long way to go. Needless to say I am wondering if anyone can offer any advice on a solution for Content Management and E-commerce. Naturally something which adheres to standards compliant design principals. Look forward to feedback. Thanks, Mark Hedley Web Development Manager Mayborn Baby Child Division http://www.tommeetippee.com Jackel International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1894022). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Sangenic International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1308939). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Jackel International and Sangenic International are part of the Mayborn Group This transmission and any attachments are confidential and are intended solely for the named addressee(s). If you are not the addressee, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this transmission and notify us immediately by telephone (0191) 2501864 or by reply. Please then delete this transmission from your system. You should also be aware that all incoming e-mails are monitored for system security purposes. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Suggestions Please for: CMS / E-commerce Solutions
Thanks for that Paul, I was looking at Drupal at one stage however the lack of Protx 3D Secure (Verified by Visa / MasterCard Secure Code) Module put me off considerably. What about the E-commerce side of things though? Anyone else got anything to bring to the table on this? Feedback and advice again appreciated. Oh, another thing, Smarty template engine is out of the question! I refuse to use it. Mark Hedley Web Development Manager Mayborn Baby Child Division http://www.tommeetippee.com Jackel International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1894022). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Sangenic International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1308939). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Jackel International and Sangenic International are part of the Mayborn Group This transmission and any attachments are confidential and are intended solely for the named addressee(s). If you are not the addressee, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this transmission and notify us immediately by telephone (0191) 2501864 or by reply. Please then delete this transmission from your system. You should also be aware that all incoming e-mails are monitored for system security purposes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Bennett Sent: 28 May 2007 22:14 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Suggestions Please for: CMS / E-commerce Solutions Hi all, I just have to pitch in here. My dealings with Drupal have been less than wonderful. I find it vague and confusing (kind of like it's trying to be everything to everyone) and when I tried to create a new template I found all sorts of crappy table-based code needed, as well as the need to create bits of files all over the place to get one new template working. In my experience, something like Expression Engine (http://www.expressionengine.com) or wordpress (http://www.wordpress.org) would be a far better bet for a simple CMS and a heck of a lot easier for a non-technical editor to use. Just my 2c anyway Paul *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Suggestions Please for: CMS / E-commerce Solutions
Thanks for the suggestion Dave. Drupal was something I was looking at however it lacks the required Payment module we would need. Namely Protx VSP Direct with the 3D Secure protocol. Any other recommendations? Also thanks for the response, its much appreciated. Mark Hedley Web Development Manager Mayborn Baby Child Division http://www.tommeetippee.com Jackel International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1894022). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Sangenic International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1308939). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Jackel International and Sangenic International are part of the Mayborn Group This transmission and any attachments are confidential and are intended solely for the named addressee(s). If you are not the addressee, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this transmission and notify us immediately by telephone (0191) 2501864 or by reply. Please then delete this transmission from your system. You should also be aware that all incoming e-mails are monitored for system security purposes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Lane Sent: 28 May 2007 21:46 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Suggestions Please for: CMS / E-commerce Solutions Drupal. http://drupal.org Mark Hedley wrote: Hi everyone. I am currently looking for a cost-effective (preferably opensource) solution to run our companies UK based web site. I have looked at TradingEye PHP Store and have spoke in depth with Wladimir however some features seem restrictive for our needs. If time was not an issue I would create a system from my own experiences however time is a luxury I do not have at the moment and our system needs an overhaul from an administrative point of view. I only took on the development role in May 2006 and I am slowly getting things in order but still a long way to go. Needless to say I am wondering if anyone can offer any advice on a solution for Content Management and E-commerce. Naturally something which adheres to standards compliant design principals. Look forward to feedback. Thanks, Mark Hedley Web Development Manager Mayborn Baby Child Division http://www.tommeetippee.com Jackel International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1894022). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Sangenic International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1308939). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Jackel International and Sangenic International are part of the Mayborn Group This transmission and any attachments are confidential and are intended solely for the named addressee(s). If you are not the addressee, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this transmission and notify us immediately by telephone (0191) 2501864 or by reply. Please then delete this transmission from your system. You should also be aware that all incoming e-mails are monitored for system security purposes. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Dave Lane == Egressive Ltd == [EMAIL PROTECTED] == +64 21 229 8147 +64 3 963 3733 = Linux: it just tastes better = no software patents http://egressive.com we only use open standards: http://w3.org Effusion Group Founding Member === http://effusiongroup.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Suggestions Please for: CMS / E-commerce Solutions
Thanks Micky, Are you aware of any E-commerce solutions + CMS with support for the 3D Secure Protx VSP Direct? Mark Hedley Web Development Manager Mayborn Baby Child Division http://www.tommeetippee.com Jackel International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1894022). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Sangenic International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1308939). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Jackel International and Sangenic International are part of the Mayborn Group This transmission and any attachments are confidential and are intended solely for the named addressee(s). If you are not the addressee, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this transmission and notify us immediately by telephone (0191) 2501864 or by reply. Please then delete this transmission from your system. You should also be aware that all incoming e-mails are monitored for system security purposes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Micky Hulse Sent: 28 May 2007 22:51 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Suggestions Please for: CMS / E-commerce Solutions Mark Hedley wrote: Feedback and advice again appreciated. Expression Engine is good and reliable... but you got to pay approx 200$ for commercial license. Also, currently EE does not have a full-featured E-commerce module (just basic paypal.) The current approach for most EE users is to use something like Cubecart or Zencart. http://www.cubecart.com/site/home/ http://zen-cart.com/ Note: I hear there is a full-featured module being developed for EE... I hope it comes-out soon... Keep a look-out here: http://solspace.com/ Additionally, I find that EE makes me pull my hair out trying to make sure I have all my settings perfected... I think EE is great for folks that are not perfectionistic (maybe it is just me) -- I personally spend way too much time playing with EE settings -- For a couple pro-bono projects, I never finished (or switched to an alternative solution) partly due to all the loose ends that need to be tied in order to get EE fully optimized. Additionally, code redundancy is also a problem when it comes to templates (though, some would say this is a feature of EE)... Long story short, overall optimization can be attained, but it takes time, especially if you are new to the templating syntax and EE workflow. Do not get me wrong, EE is really nice though -- I would say there are many more good aspects than bad (great community support via forums.) Also, due to the price, EE is always growing and getting better. I love Textpattern, but it is lacking in the E-commerce department. Prob best to get a third party app (i.e. Cubecart/Zencart) for e-commerce stuff if using TXP. Drupal looks a bit too involved -- I enjoy coding, but it looks like if you got a quick deadline, and are new to Drupal, then you are SOL for quick-turnaround. I have heard good and bad things about Joomla (I personally never got past the installation.) Also, I rarely need a CMS that has everything under the sun (this is main reason why I love TXP.) I have heard Website Baker is good, though never used it... not sure about e-commerce, but maybe worth a gander: http://start.websitebaker.org/en/introduction.html You might want to look at these sites: http://www.cmsmatrix.org/ http://start.websitebaker.org/en/introduction.html Also, the WSG has a WSG-CMS listserv... Might want to ask questions there. Just my .0002cents... Good luck! Cheers, M -- Wishlists: http://snipurl.com/1gqpj Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Suggestions Please for: CMS / E-commerce Solutions
Be interested to see if anyone can recommend a robust solution geared for UK E-commerce using Protx VSP Direct + 3D Secure. Mark Hedley Web Development Manager Mayborn Baby Child Division http://www.tommeetippee.com Jackel International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1894022). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Sangenic International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1308939). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Jackel International and Sangenic International are part of the Mayborn Group This transmission and any attachments are confidential and are intended solely for the named addressee(s). If you are not the addressee, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this transmission and notify us immediately by telephone (0191) 2501864 or by reply. Please then delete this transmission from your system. You should also be aware that all incoming e-mails are monitored for system security purposes. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Raine Sent: 28 May 2007 23:21 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Suggestions Please for: CMS / E-commerce Solutions I've been using WordPress for two years and love it. I find it easy to teach clients how to use it. I've recently installed Drupal at the request of a client and find the learning curve very steep... I agree that it is vague and confusing. I haven't even had the chance to dive into the template coding yet...I'm still trying to figure out how to get around it from within. I've seen several sites with Zen Cart and love the presentation, but haven't had time to explore it from the inside...defintley on my list of things to explore. Paul Bennett wrote: Hi all, I just have to pitch in here. My dealings with Drupal have been less than wonderful. I find it vague and confusing (kind of like it's trying to be everything to everyone) and when I tried to create a new template I found all sorts of crappy table-based code needed, as well as the need to create bits of files all over the place to get one new template working. In my experience, something like Expression Engine (http://www.expressionengine.com) or wordpress (http://www.wordpress.org) would be a far better bet for a simple CMS and a heck of a lot easier for a non-technical editor to use. Just my 2c anyway Paul *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Expose my inner self? It rises from the dust into pale moonlight... My ass shows. You may kiss it. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Suggestions Please for: CMS / E-commerce Solutions
Cheers again Micky, Will keep the list updated with my findings. Right now the two possible solutions are: Clickcartpro and TradingEye Shop v5. Mark Hedley Web Development Manager Mayborn Baby Child Division http://www.tommeetippee.com Jackel International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1894022). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Sangenic International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1308939). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Jackel International and Sangenic International are part of the Mayborn Group This transmission and any attachments are confidential and are intended solely for the named addressee(s). If you are not the addressee, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this transmission and notify us immediately by telephone (0191) 2501864 or by reply. Please then delete this transmission from your system. You should also be aware that all incoming e-mails are monitored for system security purposes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Micky Hulse Sent: 28 May 2007 23:37 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Suggestions Please for: CMS / E-commerce Solutions Mark Hedley wrote: Are you aware of any E-commerce solutions + CMS with support for the 3D Secure Protx VSP Direct? Sorry, not sure. You might find someone who *is aware* on over at the WSG-CMS list... I signed up for the CMS list durning my sign-up for this list... but I am not aware of a web page that talks about the CMS list and/or what specific steps to take in order to become a WSG-CMS list member... I think you just have to opt-in when signing-up for this (WSG) list. Good luck. Thanks, Micky -- Wishlists: http://snipurl.com/1gqpj Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Suggestions Please for: CMS / E-commerce Solutions
EE looks good but lacks the E-commerce functionality we would need for our system. Mark Hedley Web Development Manager Mayborn Baby Child Division http://www.tommeetippee.com Jackel International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1894022). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Sangenic International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1308939). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Jackel International and Sangenic International are part of the Mayborn Group This transmission and any attachments are confidential and are intended solely for the named addressee(s). If you are not the addressee, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this transmission and notify us immediately by telephone (0191) 2501864 or by reply. Please then delete this transmission from your system. You should also be aware that all incoming e-mails are monitored for system security purposes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Faulds Sent: 28 May 2007 23:40 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Suggestions Please for: CMS / E-commerce Solutions Additionally, code redundancy is also a problem when it comes to templates (though, some would say this is a feature of EE) I've not found that so far. Once you get your head around the way you can embed templates in other templates, it's just like using includes. -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Content Management issue ?
Bad thing is if you don't have access to PHP5 on all client systems with silverstripe you are either left out or forced to upgrade. Looks like a nice CMS never the less. Mark Hedley Web Development Manager Mayborn Baby Child Division http://www.tommeetippee.com Jackel International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1894022). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Sangenic International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1308939). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Jackel International and Sangenic International are part of the Mayborn Group This transmission and any attachments are confidential and are intended solely for the named addressee(s). If you are not the addressee, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this transmission and notify us immediately by telephone (0191) 2501864 or by reply. Please then delete this transmission from your system. You should also be aware that all incoming e-mails are monitored for system security purposes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Gorry Sent: 28 May 2007 23:50 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Content Management issue ? I have head very good things about silver stripe http://www.silverstripe.com/home/ This is an open source cms writen in php which you are able to cusomise and manipulate. Simple. Intuitive and user-friendly Flexible. MVC framework Scalable. From 1 page to a million Fast. As responsive as a desktop app thanks to native Ajax support Standards Compliant. Fully XHTML compliant Modular. Easy to extend Template Freedom. No restrictions on the look and feel of your site Open source. It's free in every sense of the word! (BSD) Cross platform (Windows/Linux/Mac) and easy to install (PHP based Robin I'm surprised no one has really commented on Joomla! I've read the feedback and reviews on Joomla and not only is it free and open source CMS, you're able to customise and add extensions as appropriate for your client. Check out the demo at: http://demo.joomla.org/ Joomla! 1.5 is suppose to be out soon but the beta version is available to play around with. This company (http://www.compassdesigns.net/) solely provides clients with Joomla! CMS sites. Kevin Ross wrote: Hi: I have a question which has surfaced due to an upcoming requirement. I have built a web site for a client who now wants to be able to manage the site on her own. She is computer literate, but not a web designer, by any means. I am new to the idea of Content Management systems and am really trying to wrap my brain around what they really do and how to set one up. I guess I am wondering how other designers handle this type of issue? How do you setup clients to manage their own site so they are not having to take a detailed course in Web Design. I hope my concern is understood, as I have been thinking about this issue for a while and have investigated certain software... Joomla, Wordpress... Can anyone lend a hand? Thanks very much... Regards, Kevin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Content Management issue ?
Keeping an eye on it myself. Just a shame their doesn't seem to be support for non-native Commerce yet. Hopefully development will grow for UK and other territories soon : ) Mark Hedley Web Development Manager Mayborn Baby Child Division http://www.tommeetippee.com Jackel International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1894022). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Sangenic International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1308939). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Jackel International and Sangenic International are part of the Mayborn Group This transmission and any attachments are confidential and are intended solely for the named addressee(s). If you are not the addressee, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this transmission and notify us immediately by telephone (0191) 2501864 or by reply. Please then delete this transmission from your system. You should also be aware that all incoming e-mails are monitored for system security purposes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tate Johnson Sent: 29 May 2007 01:47 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Content Management issue ? On Tue, 29 May 2007 10:50:15 +1200 Robin Gorry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have head very good things about silver stripe http://www.silverstripe.com/home/ This is an open source cms writen in php which you are able to cusomise and manipulate. Simple. Intuitive and user-friendly Flexible. MVC framework Scalable. From 1 page to a million Fast. As responsive as a desktop app thanks to native Ajax support Standards Compliant. Fully XHTML compliant Modular. Easy to extend Template Freedom. No restrictions on the look and feel of your site Open source. It's free in every sense of the word! (BSD) Cross platform (Windows/Linux/Mac) and easy to install (PHP based Silverstripe is fantastic. It's relatively new in relation to other CMS's, but it sure has a lot of potential. Primarily, it's developed by a NZ company and was originally a closed source, proprietary CMS. It's extremely flexible for developers/designers to create custom templates/sites. The community is growing larger, and the SS staff are quite helpful. They provide a forum and IRC channel for support and discussion. More importantly, it's easy for clients/content writers to create pages, the interface is quite intuitive. There are a few quirks here and there, no official blog/news module exists, but there is a guide/tutorial for how to create one. The next release (v2.1) will feature a tonne of improvements and those extra modules too. It's exciting times ahead for Silverstripe, and I certainly encourage you all to keep your eye on it. I'm actually developing a web site using Silverstripe at the moment, first time :) Cheers, Tate Johnson *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
