Re: [WSG] Target sued over non-accessible site
I saw the Target Sued story over on Cnet (http://tinyurl.com/b3u29). What was amazing to me was the response from a Mr Troy Gaddis in the talkback section (bottom of above page under the title This is Absurd. Here's a highlight: Why do people with disibilites think they DESERVE compensation for such things. I can definetly understand the actual physical store front for being able to accomodate for wheelchair entrances and such, but, this is america, and seeing as how they are not owned by the government, they should have their website designed any way they like. ANYONE who does web programming or development (I do) knows that complying with these would be difficult, and in some situations, impssible. Especially if navigation menu's are written in _javascript_ or Flash... Regards :: PAUL SkyRocket Design Co
[WSG] Longhorn Avalon - seismic shift for web standards?
Hello folks, I was reading the June 2005 issue of APC (Australian Personal Computer) magazine which has a cover story on unique features built into the long-awaited Windows Longhorn OS including the Avalon presentation system/user interface. This section really got me thinking: The most important difference between Avalon and the current Windows display architecture is that Avalon is vector based. The vector structure allows scalable graphics (windows, fonts icons), meaning designers can specify shapes and objects onscreen instead of mapping elements using pixels and x/y coordinates. In a nutshell, Avalon means developers are now free to code without considering the resolution of users' monitors. This ensures that apps developed in this environment will work on just about any display, from mobile phones and PDAs to wide-screen notebooks and high-end desktop systems. What does all this mean for the web standards community? Am I reading too much into this by thinking this is a seismic shift in the way we could be building websites in the future? In particular - what are the implications in the XHTML/CSS path versus something like Flash? I searched the archives and no-one seems to have asked this question to the list before? What are peoples thoughts...? Regards PAUL ROSS SkyRocket Design Co http://www.skyrocket.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] HTML Codes - Characters and symbols
Won't be long before someone builds an HTML Cheat Sheet Widget (for OSX 10.4). There's already a handy a href=http://bw.watchtan.com/article/132/css-cheat-sheet;CSS cheat sheet... /a Regards PAUL ROSS a href=http://www.skyrocket.com.au;Web Design Sydney/a ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Templates with Content at Top
Looks fine on my iMac (OS X 10.2.8) and Firefox 1.0/Safari 1.0.3 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Son of Suckerfish and IE 6 (SP2)
Hello folks, Anyone else having issues with the suckerfish (and son of suckerfish) menu in IE6 SP2? I've been trawling through the archives and can't see a post on this issue. I notice that IE6 with service pack 2 installed initially blocks the JavaScript that makes the li hover sections drop down/across - so you only see the home navlinks and nothing happens on rollover. You have to click on the message saying IE has blocked the script and then agree to have the code run in the browser. This didn't happen with SP1. Painful :/ Regards PAUL ROSS SkyRocket Design Co http://www.skyrocket.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Placing a link text on top of BG image
Hello WSG folks, Further to Carmelyne's post I am also having trouble placing link text over the top of background graphics. I used Patrick's solution of adding span tags on the links but was wondering if there was another way which is even cleaner. Or am I trying too hard and is the add span method considered the best way? Surely there must be a way of using CSS to position the text? I must be a gumby head because everything I do affects the BG graphic underneath :/ I have done up a concept page of how the left nav should look and work here: http://www.skyrocket.com.au/Concepts/testpage02.html Can anyone point me in the right direction? Regards PAUL ROSS SkyRocket Design Co ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Banking sites working (or not) with Firefox
Can any WSG UK members confirm the situation for banks over there (Nat West, Barclays, Lloyds etc...). Contact me offlist if this is OT and I will post the results. Regards PAUL ROSS SkyRocket Design Co http://www.skyrocket.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] How exactly does IE fall short and where do I find standards-compatibility charts?
That was the case but I use Firefox (and Safari) with no problems with
my bank here in Australia (Westpac)
Regards PAUL ROSS
SkyRocket Design Co http://www.skyrocket.com.au
Just to add on, I'd been using Firefox since 6 months ago and it's my
primary browser for everything except internet banking operations
('cos the banking sites are typically tailored for IE
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[WSG] Suckerfish owning li ul tags
Hello folks, I've used the infamous Suckerfish dropdown menu on a couple of sites and have come across one glaring issue. The suckerfish CSS owns the ul and li tags so you can't style them anywhere else on the page. Anyone else had the same problem and what is the best solution? I haven't tried son of suckerfish yet - maybe that has the same issue?? Regards - PAUL SkyRocket Design Co http://www.skyrocket.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Urgent Help, why is site flaking out on Mac 5.2?
It's broken in Firefox 1.0PR as well (iMAC running OSX 10.2.8) but looks OK in Safari. You have the logo top left in a separate div to the header for some reason. Why not make it one div running across the page width? Or, take off the height 100px from #homecorner and make the BG colour black. Regards PAUL ROSS SkyRocket Design Co http://www.skyrocket.com.au On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:38:39 -0500 (CDT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you look at a site for me and tell me why it's degrading so badly under Mac 5.2? Working well on most other browsers that I've checked, but if you have a different one and want to test and let me know, I would appreciate that. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Dropdowns in IE
Hello Andrew, I had similar issues working with the slippery little suckerfish a week or so ago. The first thing you have to do to make IE play is take out the white spaces between your list tags... ul liitem one/li liitem one/li /ul changes to: ulliitem one/liliitem one/li/ul You will still have to do some tweaking but that will fix most of your IE problems. Regards PAUL ROSS SkyRocket Design Co http://www.skyrocket.com.au - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] CSS version of onfocus onblur for form fields
Hello folks, Does anyone know if there is a CSS equivalent of onfocus and onblur? I have a homepage with 2 input boxes - one with the initial value called 'Username' and the other called 'Password' (which shows up as on screen). If I am not making myself clear here's the page in question: http://www.informprint.com What I would like is the user to click on the input box labelled 'Username' and the initial value then disappears and is replaced by whatever the customer is typing. Same for the password field. I have read how I can do this using the JavaScript onfocus and onblur commands but was wondering if there was a better, more accessible (?) way using just CSS. Regards PAUL ROSS SkyRocket Design Co * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] small screen rendering tools (plus other useful things)
Thanks for posting that James. Further info: you can do this if you are using Opera 7. Just go View Small Screen. You'll get a simulation of how the page looks on a handheld PDA device. Regards PAUL ROSS SkyRocket Design Co \\Quoting James Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: quote: Disruptive Innovations is happy to offer you this extension to the Mozilla Application Suite allowing to check if a web site renders well on a cellphone's screen. This addon installs a new menu entry Small Screen Rendering in the View menu. Selecting it toggles on/off the Small Screen Rendering mode. This does not work with pages using framesets. - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] New CSS site
Peter, Great looking site - very beautiful from an aesthetics POV. Can't add much value to the other comments you've had except maybe... found the body text font on the small side - especially on the iMac here at work). You could add some more keywords to the title tag to feed the search engines too. Great work. Regards PAUL ROSS SkyRocket Design Co http://www.skyrocket.com.au Quoting Universal Head [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all Just about to be officially announced, my new fully CSS/XHTML 1.0 Trans site, and the smoothest experience I've had with css so far: http://www.cinema4duser.com Comments and crits most welcome. Peter - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Purpose of this mailing list
The trouble with this list - and the people on it - is that you are all too helpful and friendly. I am also a member of the Webesign-L.com list and would never post there because the list-mom and most of the members seem to be arrogant elitist techno-fascists who sneer and chide those of us further down the learning curve. Learning to build to web standards does require a steep learning curve and this list is an excellent resource and helping hand when you need it. Having said that - when we get to 1,000 members I guess something will have to be done or the success of the list could implode in on itself and the noise traffic become too much to handle. I would suggest that you think of switching to a forum based website much like the excellent http://forums.australianinfront.com.au/Default.aspx Regards PAUL ROSS SkyRocket Design Co http://www.skyrocket.com.au - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Accessibility checkers for Mac (OS X)
Hello Ian, You can download the free web developers toolbar extension for Mozilla and Firefox browsers which has a handy quick link to the Bobby WCAG 1.0 and Bobby 508 accessibility checker. You can get it here: http://www.chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/ The PC version is better still as it also includes a link to Cynthia Says. Regards PAUL ROSS SkyRocket Design Co http://www.skyrocket.com.au - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] turning back to the dark side...
As a footnote to this thread I want to add that I did in fact stick to the light and the way and the website was launched as XHTML/CSS. In my darkest hour of frustration I did try and re-do the pages with HTML tables and found that it was causing more troubles than it was worth. So, I persisted and found a way to get the layout to behave in IE with divs. I won't bore you all with the whole story but I found out what IE needed to render the page in it's own peculiarly flawed way. If anyone wants to see the finished version check out: http://www.books24x7.net.au - just don't view source on the New Releases page (that was out of my control). If anyone wants to enter the free competition go ahead as it's a great prize and there is a statistically good chance of winning. Thanks to the folks on this list who tried their best to keep me on the straight and narrow (especially BHP David). Regards PAUL ROSS SkyRocket Design Co http://www.skyrocket.com.au - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] font-family : what fonts do you set as default?
I go with Verdana 9 times out of 10 unless the design calls for something more condensed then I'll go with Arial. In order of personal preference I usually go with font: Verdana, Trebuchet MS, Helvetica, sans-serif. If the client wants serif then Georgia is the most readable. I know a bit about this as I work at the Font Factory in my day job. Verdana and Georgia were developed by Matthew Carter (commissioned by Microsoft) and were specially designed to be readable on screens/monitors. For that reason alone they should be first choice in style sheets IMO. Regards PAUL ROSS SkyRocket Design Co http://www.skyrocket.com.au - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] turning back to the dark side...
Hello folks, rantI have reached the end of my patience with am about to ditch XHTML/CSS as a realistic working method and go back to using HTML tables until the technology has matured enough to be ready for the big-time. Yet again I have a valid XHTML transitional site that refuses to render correctly in IEx. This is my 3rd site in a row that has come up with one IE bug after another. I am spending more time on hacking for IE than I am in building the damn sites!/rant Can anyone save me from turing back to the dark side and see where the problem lies on this page for example...? http://www.books24x7.net.au/faqs.html If you look on any version of IE you'll see the 3 graphics along the top break and the end one wraps underneath. They are supposed to be aligned | 1 | 2 | 3 | and they do in Mozilla, Firebird/fox, Opera. I have researched online all the IE specific bugs and come to the conclusion that IE does not like the pixel perfect dimensions and is (for some reason) saying the graphics are too big for the container. I have tried the Tan Hack and the Holly Hack which fix half the issues but am still seeing errors. Regards PAUL ROSS SkyRocket Design Co http://www.skyrocket.com.au - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] IE6 and 3 pixel out
Hello folks, I have a fully valid XHTML transitional page that performs perfectly in the standards compliant browsers but refuses to behave in IE. The page is here: http://www.skyrocket.com.au/Concepts/Artform/index.html In IE 6 for example there is a 3 pixel gap formed between the graphics and the right edge of the div. You can also see this happening over on the left hand side on the shot of the building. Can someone with better knowledge of how to hack for IE see what is going on? Many thanks from Mr Exasperated. Regards PAUL ROSS SkyRocket Design Co
[WSG] IE 6 not behaving (again)
Hello WSG-ers, This is probably a damn silly question but I can't figure out why IE is doing this to me. This works in Mozilla and Safari. It validates as XHTML transitional and the CSS validates too. But in IE the page breaks. The trouble is the horizontal image navbar I have built. In IE6 the far right image has wrapped underneath the other images as if it doesn't fit inside its container. I have checked the pixel dimensions and it should be fine. Can someone with IE please put me out of my misery. The test page is here... http://www.skyrocket.com.au/Concepts/Books24x7/index.html Regards PAUL ROSS SkyRocket Design Co http://www.skyrocket.com.au - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] CSS/XHTML NavBar and IE6
Hello folks, (First post to this excellent list - thanks Russ/Peter for setting me up). I am trying to ditch the HTML tables addiction and keeping to standards-based designs from now on. The annoying thing is I can do this in 30 seconds using the 'old' methods but I'm having problems. I need some guidance on the image navbar where I have used a Eric Meyer CSS-only method for the rollovers (instead of JavaScript code soup). Here's my test page... http://www.skyrocket.com.au/Concepts/Books24x7/index.html Works fine in Mozilla 1.5, Safari 1.0 but using IE6 on a PC there's a gap at the top and bottom of the navbar of maybe 5px. Any ideas why? Also, there is a significant delay on mouseover depending on the browser used. The rollover state doesn't seem to load until a user rolls over the button hot spot. Can this be sped up somehow? Any help appreciated. Regards PAUL ROSS SkyRocket Design Co http://www.skyrocket.com.au - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] horizontal nav bar nightmare
Roger, I am getting a 404 page not found with that URL. Regards PAUL ROSS SkyRocket Design Co Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Here is the site: www.desertstandard.net/YV/ - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
