Re: [WSG] Google and HTML5
Geoff Deering wrote: Do others feel there are *elements* of presentation creeping back into the structure? Absolutely, header and footer elements, to my mind, break the semantics of separating the presentation from content. Once you say this element represents the footer for the section it applies to surely you're suggesting the physical layout of the presentation? The idea of aside has more merit since it describes the weight of the content with respect to the rest of the page but doesn't suggest placement on the page. And I agree that the idea of a nav tag seems sound assuming you agree that navigation is inherent to the content. It looks like the draft has been prepared with a standard page layout strongly in mind (see: http://whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#sectioning) and that may not lend itself well to media that we may not yet have invented to display/experience the content. Cheers Peter -- Peter Asquith http://www.wasabicube.com smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [WSG] New to web standards and CSS
Hi Rosemary This article by Eric Meyer may help keep the images from escaping from their containing blocks: http://www.complexspiral.com/publications/containing-floats/ Cheers Peter Rosemary Probert wrote: I want to be able to put a series of images down the page - some left and some right aligned, and text in the opposite spaces. It would be easy using tables - but I want to be able to use CSS for it. And everything I try seems to end up in a bigger muddle! -- Peter Asquith http://www.wasabicube.com smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [WSG] controlling font size in form text box
Hi Janelle
If you set the font-family on the .box to verdana it then renders the
same as your example below. Looks like the text input field is picking
up the default sans-serif(?)
Cheers
Peter
Janelle Clemens wrote:
My designer is on me to reduce the size of the font in the search box on
the templates for our redesign. But I can not get it to budge without
getting too small.Does anyone know of a trick for this. We have
decided to use a fixed font (px or pt) for the search box text. Two
reasons: 1. to keep it constant when a viewer increases their browser
font, and 2. using em was way to inconsistent cross browser.The text
under the search box is the size my designer wants it to be.
http://www.sgi.com/tempie/search_font.html
.box {font-size: 9px;}
Thank you,
Janelle
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Re: [WSG] Tables and divs and soon
Al Sparber wrote: I'm not evangelizing table-based layouts, although for real-world clients they sometimes are the right choice. Presumably, in this case, the right choice is the choice that limits the up-front cost and training required to get to market? Surely promoting a questionable technique because it's easier to learn and gives almost instant gratification is a dubious one? A bit like deciding that micro-surgery classes at medical school are a waste of time because once you've got a handle on amputation it'll solve most problems far quicker and under budget! Why bother getting bogged down and stressed with the finer points? While I acknowledge that, if you understand the process, you *can* create valid table-based layouts, I don't believe you *should*. In my opinion, a significant contribution to the correlation that John's identified is the sort of cut-and-paste style of page building that allies an incomplete understanding and an eagerness for results. I've seen this often in software and web development - snippets of code are borrowed and used verbatim without the borrower necessarily understanding what they are doing. If the results *seem* OK then that's good enough. It's far easier to try to get to grips with a page of mark-up with everything in one convenient HTML page than to have to understand the abstraction of separating the content from the presentation. Hey presto! A lovely table-based web page that IE in quirks mode renders as intended! Welcome to inner sanctum of web development. Cheers Peter -- Peter Asquith http://www.wasabicube.com smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [WSG] Misbehaving DL in TD
Sean SPALDING wrote:
This page (http://www.business.ecu.edu.au/users/sean/webdev/flobo.htm) has a
styled DL in a table. In IE the 2nd, 3rd, etc DDs for each DT slip left
under the DT.
Any suggestions?
Hi Sean
One suggestion would be to float the dd elements right and use their
width and right margin to achieve that end. I've appended the
stylesheet, with the necessary changes, below. It was necessary to add a
clear: both;
to your .content img and .content h1 elements to prevent the image and
heading leaping to the top of the cell as a result of the floated
definition list elements.
Semantically I don't see anything wrong with this use of a definition
list. It's entirely valid to have more than one description associated
with a term.
The table-based layout is another matter, but then I guess you know that
all too well!
Your profile.css would become:
.content td h1 {
margin-top: 30px;
text-transform : none;
}
.content dl {
padding: 0;
margin: 0 1em 0.5em;
clear : both;
}
.content dl dt{
width: 20%;
padding: 0;
margin: 0 0.7em 2em 1em;
font-weight: bold;
float: left;
clear: both;
}
.content dl dd{
float: right;
width: 70%;
padding: 0;
margin: 0 3% 2em 0;
}
.content img,
.content h1{
clear: both;
}
Cheers
Peter
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Re: [WSG] implicit / explicit labels which is better?
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: The belt and braces approach when using labels is to make the label both explicit (via for) *and* implicit (by wrapping the control in the label) label for=fooexplicit and implicit label input type=text id=foo name=foo //label By including the element being labelled as part of the label's definition aren't the semantics of an implicit label just a little bit dubious (even if it does meet the DTD)? Peter -- Peter Asquith http://www.wasabicube.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Vertical Alignment + sliding doors
Hi Darren Not entirely sure of the effect you're looking for, but #navSub li a looks to be missing a width: 100px; The effect of relying on max-width is that IE6/Win doesn't wrap the tabs and Opera 8.02/Win collapses all the a tags together on the left-hand side. Firefox 1.0.6/Win appears to render OK. Cheers Peter Darren Wood wrote: Hello World! I've been struggling with a vertical alignment issue...have a look at the links below: http://shopperanswers.dev.netconcepts.com/understanding-your-shoppers.php [line 86] http://shopperanswers.dev.netconcepts.com/includes/default.css [line 288] i'm having an issue the with tab looking things at the bottom of the body text [Observational research, Intercept amp; exit interviews, Integration...] Those are links, they are also dynamic (so I cant just wack a class on the li's)...some of them wrap and some dont. What i want to do is have them vertically aligned regardless of whether they're on one line or two...( hope that makes sense.) Any ideas? Thanks in advance Darren ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Peter Asquith http://www.wasabicube.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Body tag background color changes
Absolutely; give your body tags an id representing the page:
e.g.
body id=page1
body id=page2
etc
Then add CSS entries for each page that requires a particular style to
your stylesheet:
#page1 {
background-color: #fff;
}
#page2 {
background-color: #ffc;
}
etc.
Cheers
Peter
Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote:
Just wondering whether there was a way to include different body
background colors (for different pages) within the same css file.
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Re: [WSG] textarea: why rows and cols?
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: I agree with the thread starter that the visual display size of a textarea should really be defined via CSS. If these were maxrows and maxcols, it would be a case for having it in the HTML, but as it stands this seems to muddy the line a bit too much... The need for the rows and cols attributes can be seen once you imagine the page without any CSS styling. Similarly, the requirement for the size attribute on a text input element and width and height on img the element. Ultimately CSS may not be available on all the devices for which we design and default rendering of unstyled elements will vary. -- Peter Asquith http://www.wasabicube.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] textarea: why rows and cols?
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Personally, I find this type of answer quite dangerous, as it leads to a slippery slope. Yes, the default rendering of browsers may be different when CSS is not available, but does that mean we then still have to stuff visual cues in HTML? The same rationale would warrant the use of font colours, sizes, etc, imho. I know what you mean, Patrick, but I think of the rows, cols, etc as topological, rather than decorative. While text can be quite happily shown in monochrome with nothing but native styling it is not so easy to default the topology of the elements - how do you know, by default, how many characters should be visible to the user in a text field, for instance? So there is a distinction, which I think is sufficient, but there's a distinctly slippery slope near at hand! Peter -- Peter Asquith http://www.wasabicube.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Issue with CSS, Flash and FireFox
Also some issues with the navigation sliding of the plate in Safari It's true of, presumably, all browsers because your menus are absolutely positioned. Cheers Peter -- Peter Asquith http://www.wasabicube.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Issue with CSS, Flash and FireFox
Chris Kennon wrote: If he didn't see it before posting, how would it be all? I'm curious about what seems to be a contradiction to absolute positioning. Hi Chris I think Jeff's doing a bit of live updating here of the example page, but when I looked the menus were being positioned absolutely relative to the page, but the other content of the page was being centred. Presumably on a 1024x768 the menu positioning looked right. Cheers Peter -- Peter Asquith http://www.wasabicube.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Multiple class names in older browsers
Seems to work fine in IE5.01/Win on XP SP2. Cheers Peter Maxine Sherrin wrote: I need to find out if multiple class names, like this: Were supported in older browsers, in particular IE5 and IE5.5. -- Peter Asquith http://www.wasabicube.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Forms question
Leslie Riggs wrote: What I want to understand is why is cols required by the W3C standard, if the width can be defined in CSS? The way I find it easiest to explain is to think about what happens if CSS was to be disabled in the browser, or the browser was incapable of processing CSS (take Lynx, for example). If the cols are not defined in the markup then what is the browser supposed to show? Cheers Peter -- Peter Asquith http://www.wasabicube.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Forms question
Leslie Riggs wrote: Isn't the default 80 columns? From the DTD, my understanding is that cols is a required attribute but no default value is specified (see http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd). It could be that the defaults you refer to are browser defaults. Cheers Peter -- Peter Asquith http://www.wasabicube.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Semi-newbie: advice needed
Hi Mark I'd have to say that the following three books are well worth having in your library: Designing with Web Standards, by Jeffrey Zeldman (http://www.zeldman.com) Web Standards Solutions, by Dan Cederholm (http://www.simplebits.com) and Cascading Style Sheets - the Definitive Guide by Eric A Meyer (http://www.meyerweb.com) These three give you the rationale for the Web Standards approach, the practical implementation and the nitty-gritty of CSS, respectively. Cheers Peter Mark B wrote: Hiya. I'm an experienced HTML CSS coder who has dabbled a little with the XHTML/CSS way of doing things, but frankly, am a little lost. All the tutorials I've found on the web assume that you are either experienced and trying to do some advanced stuff, or are completely new and don't know CSS. I'm looking for an online tutorial or book that will help me go from the old ways to the new ways - help wean me off tables! :) Can anyone offer suggestions? I'm sure many others on this list have been down this path. Cheers, Mark ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Peter Asquith http://www.wasabicube.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Not and IE bug?!?
Hi Peter Peter Flaschner wrote: Well, the clearing didn't do it. At least not as I understand it. If you're following the lead of the page you mentioned, you will find removing the overflow: hidden; line from the style sheet should solve your problem. By setting the height to zero and then hiding the overflow you're effectively removing the clearer block from the page layout. Setting visibility to hidden, on the other hand, allows the block to take its specified position and size but not be rendered by the browser. I.e. it still takes up the space it would have. I note, too, that your example page contains multiple elements sharing the same ID. IDs must be unique for a given page. Cheers Peter -- Peter Asquith http://www.wasabicube.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Not and IE bug?...follow up difference why a difference between IDs and classes?
Hi Devendra
Devendra Shrikhande wrote:
What is the advantage of the fact that IDs must be unique on a page? I am aware of the circumstance that if you need to repeat an ID, set is as a class, but have still not figured out the advantage of an ID.
This is an important topic. At first glance, it would seem that there is
little need for an id attribute - why not use classes everywhere?
However, there's a semantic difference between ids and classes, which is
this: it's basically the difference between individuals and groups.
An id identifies a specific individual element of the document markup
and allows CSS to be written that addresses that element specifically.
In addition, you can reference the id in DOM (Document Object Model)
scripting to access an element using the getElementById() function.
A class, on the other hand can apply to many elements, not necessarily
of the same type - you could have a class called warning that is
applied to h1, p, li and so on to emphasize a warning condition,
for instance. Another example (which is pertinent to the thread that you
came in on) is where you want a class to clear floats. It may be that
you need to apply that class on more than one occasion in a particularly
fluid layout. By creating a clearer class you can apply it to any
appropriate block element in order to clear the preceding floats.
Another thing to bear in mind is that ids have higher precedence than
classes in determining what style is applied to a given element. This
means that
#myid {
color: blue;
}
.warning {
color: red;
}
will colour the element
p id=myid class=warningHello!/p
in blue (despite the fact that the .warning directive appears later in
the CSS cascade).
(To ensure that it's red you would need to add
#myid.warning {
color: red;
}
to your stylesheet).
If you carefully lay out your document, with ids for all the main
display blocks, you can set global class styles and then override them
on a block-by-block basis via the blocks' ids. So, for instance it might
be appropriate to display elements with the warning class differently
in a main content block as opposed a summary block.
Eric Meyer covers this topic well on pages 36-38 of his Cascading
Stylesheets The Definitive Guide 2nd Edition.
Having said all that, be wary of overusing ids and classes. By using CSS
selectors carefully, a lot of unnecessary classitis can be avoided.
Hope that helps
Peter
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Re: [WSG] Navigation Help
Hi James James Oppenheim wrote: I was wondering what the best way would be to achieve this sort of navigation? If you're wanting to create the hover effect and implement the drop-down, where it's appropriate, you could wrap both the link and the drop-down list in a div and use the :hover pseudo-class to control the image roll-over. This would avoid having to use JavaScript to change the images on the a. However, you would need to add something like Peter Nederlof's hover implementation for IE (http://www.xs4all.nl/~peterned/) to allow you to specify CSS rules for the div hover. Cheers Peter -- Peter Asquith http://www.wasabicube.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE frustrations...
Hi Darren Your #container margin-right is -250 but this doesn't allow enough for the width and padding of your #sidebar (200px + 40px). With a margin-right of -250px you will only be able to have padding of 12px on each side of the sidebar. Increasing the margin-right to -280px will solve the problem. Cheers Peter --- http://www.wasabicube.com Darren Wood wrote: Hello all, No one should ever have to ask these sorts of questions..but due to the pantsness of IE i have no choice http://dontcom.com You may notice that the right nav drops down to the bottom of the document in IE. I've been looking at the CSS for WAY too long so its all starting to look the same...and thus i cant find the offending bit of CSS. Any help you may have would be greatly greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Darren http://webdeveloper.co.nz/forum/ http://dontcom.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE frustrations...
Of course what I've written sounds daft (did I get enough sleep last night?) - You have to consider the padding in the #content div as well. The combined width of the #content and #sidebar padding, plus the width of the #sidebar must be less than the margin allowed. Cheers Peter --- http://www.wasabicube.com Peter Asquith wrote: Hi Darren Your #container margin-right is -250 but this doesn't allow enough for the width and padding of your #sidebar (200px + 40px). With a margin-right of -250px you will only be able to have padding of 12px on each side of the sidebar. Increasing the margin-right to -280px will solve the problem. Cheers Peter --- http://www.wasabicube.com Darren Wood wrote: Hello all, No one should ever have to ask these sorts of questions..but due to the pantsness of IE i have no choice http://dontcom.com You may notice that the right nav drops down to the bottom of the document in IE. I've been looking at the CSS for WAY too long so its all starting to look the same...and thus i cant find the offending bit of CSS. Any help you may have would be greatly greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Darren http://webdeveloper.co.nz/forum/ http://dontcom.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Drop Shadow
Hi Matt The approach I've used in the past is very similar to Dan Cederholm's Faux Columns approach (http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns). In this approach, where you know the width of the element that you want to shadow but don't know the height, you simply create a 1px high graphic of the correct width, including the shadow effect, and apply it via CSS as a repeating background image (using the repeat-y directive). I use this on my site as well (http://www.wasabicube.com) - feel free to examine the CSS to see how it's done. Another very good example can be found at http://www.lambertin-grotegerd.de/ Then, all you need to do is include a header and footer block that have background images to complete the effect. Cheers Peter --- Web: http://www.wasabicube.com Matt McCallum wrote: Hi everyone, I am a newbie, both to the list and to XHTML/CSS Layouts. I am working on a layout where all of the content is contained within a fixed width box, centered horizontally, the height varies depending on the content. I would like to put a drop shadow around this container, to lift it from the background of the page. I would like to use a drop shadow image as opposed to filters. I have read some excellent resources from ALA (http://www.alistapart.com/articles/cssdropshadows/) and then progressed to Phil Baines method which is lighter (http://wubbleyew.com/tests/dropshadows.htm) - However, for me there is a problem with these techniques: The drop shadow image that you use has to be certain size, - it basically has to be larger than anything that you are going to apply the shadow to (for example, in the ALA method their shadow image is 800x600 pixels) - which is fine for photos and paragraphs, but I want to apply the shadow to my whole site container, which could potentially be 1600 pixels high, so this image would be too large to download and it would be inefficient. I have a visual example of what I am trying to achieve here: http://220.233.11.63/Misc/Drop-Shadow-Wireframe.png I just wondered if any of you could steer me in the right direction with this. Its probably a very simple solution that I am missing! Cheers, Matt ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] This is really strange stuff, even for IE
Hi Ted Validating the source sorts out the problem. There's a missing img end tag, several that need to be amp; and some type=text/javascript missing from script elements. Adding those fixes the strange behaviour. Interestingly, the source as it stands causes IE to break if you try resizing text with View | Text Size. Cheers Peter Ted Drake wrote: I'm stuck on a strange behavior with IE. For some reason, on only a few of our pages, the title of one of our form inputs will wrap and parts of the title will repeat. Yeah, it's not the greatest description. Here's a sample page, naturally it looks fine in ff. I want to think that it is something in the main body that is throwing it off, but I can't find it yet, I'd appreciate any help. here's a page that is acting up: http://www.csavg40.com/csa/sitemap-cheap-travel-insurance.do Notice the title for initial trip deposit date and how sit date is repeated underneath the original mention. The extra sit date is not in the code. Are there any Poirot's out there that can ferret out the offending code? Thanks Ted Drake www.csatravelprotection.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Z-Index in IE - Got a problem need help
Jay Hills wrote: You can use Mozilla/Firefox/Opera to see what I mean at http://www.ikonik.net/2/. It works in Internet Explorer but the tabs 'flicker'. Is this a problem with the Z-index in IE or have I done something else wrong with my CSS? link: http://www.ikonik.net/2/css/visual.css. Hi Jay Once you've dropped down a .sidecontent menu, in IE6, if you click elsewhere on the page, the hidden element leaps to the top of the z-order. I think the problem arises from using margins to effect the overlap. Additionally, due to the order of execution, this is also responsible for the flicker. If you use the actual positioning of the .sidecontent elements (say, top: -25px;) instead of deflating the margin then the strange effects in IE go away. I've created a mock up at http://www.wasabicube.com/test/testover.html which demonstrates this working. Cheers Peter ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Best Aussie and Kiwi web standards designers
Darren Wood wrote: Have a look at some of the sites coming out of NZ at the momentthe TVNZ Site[1] is a nice example... I'm also based in Auckland implementing web-based applications and doing my best to spread the web standards message. Good to see there are others out there. I'm afraid, though, I have to take issue with putting forth the TVNZ site. I'm afraid it has to rate as one of the most disappointing site re-launches for a good while. Apart from being well wide of the web standards mark it takes an age to load on anything but a broadband connection. I know they changed the back-end to Cocoon, but I was hoping they'd grasp the web standards nettle and revamp the markup as well. Cheers Peter Peter Asquith http://www.wasabicube.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Best Aussie and Kiwi web standards designers
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Re: [WSG] Why do web developers user Firefox?
It is, in my experience, best to start with the closest implementation to the standards you can find (in this case I choose Firefox/Gecko) and then code for the exceptional cases. If you start from an outlying position (for example IE 5/Win) and then try to work the other way you will find that your efforts will need to be much greater and your CSS will be much muddier. It is better to start with a 'pure' framework and then include the handling for exceptional cases in a modular fashion. I also take issue with the practicality of installing all browsers that could possibly view your site given the variety of operating systems (have you tested using NetPositive on BeOS lately?) and devices. Mark Harwood WebMail wrote: A good developer should have all browser installed which everone he uses as his default is down to his personal prefrence neither give you an advantage over the other, as we should all be looking at supporting them all! * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Why do web developers user Firefox?
Hi Helen I use Firefox, in combination with Chris Pederick's Web Developer extension (http://www.chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/), as my primary development browser. Firefox renders my markup and CSS as I'd expect it to be rendered, gives me good page information and has a built in DOM inspector. Once the Web Developer toolbar is included it becomes very easy to check on page structure, validation and the like. Opera still has some rendering quirks and a somewhat more cluttered feel. I know this isn't much help for your list but there's a certain je ne sais quoi about Firefox - it just feels right! Cheers Peter --- Peter Asquith http://www.wasabicube.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I'm putting together a list of web development tools and am wondering about the following: Why is the Firefox browser used by Web Developers? What does it have that makes it a good tool? - over other browsers? Why not Opera? Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks *** Helen Rysavy Designer / Webmaster Learning Resources Division Charles Darwin University Northern Territory 0909 Tel: 8946 7779 Mobile: 0403 290 842 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cdu.edu.au CRICOS Provider No: 00300K *** * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] XHTML 1.0 Transitional and autocomplete
Hi all I'm in the process of validating the markup in a suite of on-line assessment tools, which includes an ability measure. As you can imagine, in situations where those being assessed share the same computer, it's not acceptable for IE users with AutoComplete enabled to have the previous candidate's answers defaulted! The autocomplete attribute is not part of the XHTML 1.0 Transitional DTD and therefore any input tags containing autocomplete=off will not validate. The best I can think of is to sniff for IE (much as I'm loathe to revert to last century's techniques) and insert the attribute on a case by case basis. Does anybody know if there are workarounds for this or is this just one of those things? Cheers Peter --- Peter Asquith http://www.wasabicube.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] FireFox 0.9 is out
Kay Smoljak wrote: On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:44:35 +1000, Craig Stump [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think this has been posted yet - but for those that don't know, FireFox 0.9 is now officially out. Make sure you completely uninstall any previous versions first - and some people are reporting that it doesn't work properly even if they follow all the instructions. It's running beautifully on my machine here... I've installed it on XP and Win2K with no bother. A mate of mine lost his bookmarks during the upgrade but the key seems to be to make sure Firefox is shut down before attempting the upgrade. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
