[WSG] Odd FireFox div background image behavior

2006-03-18 Thread sharron

Pardon, my first question regarding css or problem.
Test site:  www.designbyatfb.com/designs/golfintro.html
The background-image in the
}
#containerDiv{
position: relative;
top: 0px;
width: 800px;
margin-top: auto;
height: 100%;
color: rgb(128, 128, 128);
overflow: visible;
background: transparent url(css-images/swing.gif) no-repeat ;
background-position: bottom;
}
disappears when the page is resized in Fire Fox v 1.0.7 and Mozilla 1.7.12. 
It does not even appear at all in Opera 8.02
If page is opended at 800x600 it is fine. If it is opened at 1024x768 or 
higher, it is fine.
If you resize after the initial view it disappears until your refresh.  I 
have tried different Doc types, and encodings, nothing makes any difference.


I have asked a few trusted expert friends, but no one has found an answer. I 
am sure it is simple simple.
Forgive the unfinshed site, want this issue addressed before I move forward 
with the learning curve. As a some what new css user, I don't understand all 
the complex relationships of positioning, float and so on. I know they do 
effect each div used.



Thanks Sharron



BROWSER 
BROWSER BROWSER
Works at any size or resized in 
Does not work at all in  Appears then Disappears 
on resize in
IE 6 
Opera 8.02Fire 
Fox 1.0.7
Netscape 7.02 
Mozilla 1.7.12 


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Re: [WSG] Odd FireFox div background image behavior

2006-03-18 Thread sharron
Sorry I was trying to be so neat in my presentation of the browsers it does 
or does not work at all in and the browsers in which it does work part way 
in. Sending in text only messed my grid up.




let me see if I can clarify:

works in all respects in IE 6 and Netscape 7.02

disappears on resize in Fire Fox 1.0.7 and Mozilla 1.7.12

does not even show up at all in Opera 8.02



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Subject: [WSG] Odd FireFox div background image behavior



Pardon, my first question regarding css or problem.
Test site:  www.designbyatfb.com/designs/golfintro.html
The background-image in the
}
#containerDiv{
position: relative;
top: 0px;
width: 800px;
margin-top: auto;
height: 100%;
color: rgb(128, 128, 128);
overflow: visible;
background: transparent url(css-images/swing.gif) no-repeat ;
background-position: bottom;
}
disappears when the page is resized in Fire Fox v 1.0.7 and Mozilla 
1.7.12. It does not even appear at all in Opera 8.02
If page is opended at 800x600 it is fine. If it is opened at 1024x768 or 
higher, it is fine.
If you resize after the initial view it disappears until your refresh.  I 
have tried different Doc types, and encodings, nothing makes any 
difference.


I have asked a few trusted expert friends, but no one has found an answer. 
I am sure it is simple simple.
Forgive the unfinshed site, want this issue addressed before I move 
forward with the learning curve. As a some what new css user, I don't 
understand all the complex relationships of positioning, float and so on. 
I know they do effect each div used.



Thanks Sharron


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Re: [WSG] Your email requires verification verify#kdWfF4HBUy_SYGJC5A3KzB6MKspDh3nM

2006-03-02 Thread sharron


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Re: [WSG] Your email requires verification verify#kdWfF4HBUy_SYGJC5A3KzB6MKspDh3nM

2006-03-02 Thread sharron


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Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Your email requires verification 
verify#kdWfF4HBUy_SYGJC5A3KzB6MKspDh3nM


Why do I keep seeing emails asking to verify my email address, I hit reply 
and boom I see my reply come back to me via the list. I also wondered why I 
kept seeing so many others like this with different peoples names. Now I 
understand that they too are doing as requested and hitting reply, and then 
again it shows up in this emailed list.


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Re: [WSG] Site Check/Launch: Edentiti.com

2006-03-02 Thread sharron
I have dialup that connects at 26.400 and it loaded very quickly for me! I 
was surprised. Nice design too



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To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Site Check/Launch: Edentiti.com



Tom Livingston wrote:



On 3/2/06 10:31 AM, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


[1] http://edentiti.com/


Took _minutes_ for the home page to display, and once it did, it still
wasn't finished loading things.

Mac OS 10.4.5 Safari 2.0.3


Really?  Maybe the server can't cope with the load very well, it's loads 
just as fast in Safari for me, as it does in everything else.  I find IE 
slightly slower because of the IE7 and the DOM patch scripts initialising, 
but nothing too serious.


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Re: Solution! RE: [WSG] form button css

2006-02-27 Thread sharron



Ted, I apologize for getting off topic. I visited 
you site last-child.com, and your link to FF Alistapart search box won't work 
for me. Using FF, also can't seem to locate a contact link to notify you. 
Do you mean for folks who find things that don't seem to work to leave a comment 
in the comments areas? I am a bit confused.

Like they site by the way, bookmarked 
it!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Ted Drake 
  
  To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 
  Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 8:13 
  PM
  Subject: Solution! RE: [WSG] form button 
  css
  
  
  Ok, I found the 
  ultimate solution while working on another section where inline images were 
  not aligning with text.
  
  I’m using button with 
  an image per Thierry’s suggestion. I didn’t want to use background image on an 
  input because there are some browser inconsistencies and I didn’t want to use 
  an image in the input due to some accessibility 
  concerns.
  
  So, the final css: 
  
  #ytTopSearch button 
  {border:none; background:none; padding:0; margin:0; 
  vertical-align:middle; cursor:pointer; *cursor:hand; 
  }
  
  Vertical-align:middle 
  has the submit button and inline images centered vertically with the text. 
  I’ve checked it in FF 1.5 and IE6. 
  
  I’m using the 
  
  Has anyone come 
  across any problems using vertical-align? 
  
  By the way, I’m 
  working on a new site, www.last-child.com that will be my 
  little scrapbook of code snippets, solutions, etc. This will be an example of 
  the kind of quick tip that will be available. I’ve begun by transferring posts 
  from my other site. It’s still a bit rough in Safari and I’m ignoring IE6 as 
  it isn’t representative of browsers used by advanced CSS 
  programmers.
  
  Feel free to kick the 
  tires, leave suggestions, find errors, etc. 
  
  Ted
  
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James GellanSent: Monday, February 27, 2006 5:44 
  PMTo: 
  wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] form button 
  css
  
  
  Ted,
  
  
  
  Its relatively easy to do what you 
  are trying to do ..I accomplished the same thing on my site with this 
  code.
  
  .newsletter-button1 
  {font-family:'Street Corner'; font-style:normal; font-variant:small-caps; 
  font-weight:normal; font-size:10px; color:rgb(51,51,51); letter-spacing:3px; 
  background-color:white; background-image:url('images/silvernavbar.gif'); 
  border-width:1px; border-color:black; border-style:solid; width:80px; 
  }.style131 {font-family: "Street Corner"}.style129 {color: #434343; 
  font-weight: bold; font-family: "Street Corner"; font-size: 12px; font-style: 
  normal; line-height: normal; font-variant: normal; text-transform: none; 
  }
  
  
  
  Thanks,
  
  James 
  Gellan
  
  Rayne 
  Creative
  
  404-468-6347
  
  
  
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  From: "Ted Drake" 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
  
  Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 
  19:48
  
  Subject: [WSG] form button 
  css
  
  
   Hi All  I'm 
  having some trouble using an image as a button in a form. I've zeroed 
  out the margins and paddings in this simple search box and yet the 
  button wants to sit about 6px higher than the label and input. I've 
  added this klunky css, margin:6px 0 -6px 0; This just doesn't 
  look good to me. I'm pushing it down 6px and then sucking up the 
  bottom by 6px. If I don't do this, it pushes the label and input down 
  6px.  I haven't worked with buttons much, I prefer to leave 
  the submit buttons alone. Does anyone have a suggestion? 
  Here's the code:  form name="searchForm" action="" 
  method="GET"  label 
  for="" foo:/label  input type="text" name=" foo " 
  id="prod" size="50" / button name="submit" 
  type="submit" img src="" alt="Submit Button" 
  /  /button /form  #foo 
  form { text-align:center; padding:0; } #foo label { color:#fff; 
  font-size:85%; margin:0 5px; font-weight:bold; } #foo input { 
  margin:0 5px;} #foo button {border:none; height:23px; background:none; 
  padding:0 0 0 0; margin:6px 0 -6px 0;}  Thanks 
   Ted Drake -- New Advanced CSS Resource Site: www.last-child.com 
  Contributions welcome, especially safari fine-tuning (I don't have a 
  mac)  
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Re: [WSG] AIMIA Awards

2006-02-27 Thread sharron

278 errors and 799 warnings on the index page alone.


- Original Message - 
From: Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:39 PM
Subject: [WSG] AIMIA Awards




Gday,

I find this list filled with dynamic, inspirational people. I come away 
being motivated and energised. I love youse guys. :)


Today, I came across AIMIA (Australian Interactive Media Industry 
Association - http://www.aimia.com.au/) that are having their 12th 
Annual AIMIA awards. Is anyone a member of this group? Does anyone know 
anything about them? Is anyone a finalist?


I had a look at some of the finalists and although they seem to require 
WCAG Priority 1 Accessibility, to reach that, don't your websites need 
to actually validate (at least some of their finalists don't)? Have I 
misunderstood?


I rather think it's a good idea - but I think it misses a certain 
something (tableless design, validation, accessibility, etc). There are 
so many designers/developers on this list (and elsewhere) doing so many 
amazing things - why don't they ever get recognised for the good things 
they do? They deserve it more!! Would there be a way to give them the 
recognition they deserve?


Kat



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Re: [WSG] Introduction and first submission

2006-02-24 Thread sharron
I don't know, ignorance I could claim. Was unaware that this site or list 
even existed until doing a wee bit on investigating.

I'm so glad I happened across you'all  (Texas talk) however. Smile

I belong to another forum with some great folks who have helped me 
tremendously in the past year to get past and  move into the surreal realm 
of CSS and Validation etc.


It took me quite a bit to absorb the concept! Now it appears that I have 
been labeled the compliance stickler on that forum. I am often asked why, 
my response in Because I can.


My site (personal) serves as my testing grounds. My pet peeve is, stuff not 
validatinggo figure. I love the FF Web Developers tool bar and 
the tidy addon, whatever it is called! Great tool! That way I get to see 
which sites validate and which do not. (giggle, even standards sites show if 
not errors, warnings).


PetPeeve:
I wanted a guestbook, found one, installed it, then found out the darned old 
php code was fraught with invalidations. Not knowing a thing about php, I 
crossed my fingers, jumped in and fixed it! Took me days and days. I made 
several mistakes!


My question is this, why oh why can't one who knows how to do those things, 
build them to validate before they release them for public consumption?


How darn hard is it to specify the php to write out alt tags for images, or 
table summaries in tables and so on? Excuse me whilst I growl, 
grr.


So in short, I am glad to be here, where I am not only folk, to whom it 
matters.


Onward and upwards!

Now if someone or the WC3 would find a valid alternative for the Onresize 
attribute! I would be a happy camper. BIG SMILE


I don't know how to get smiles in an email, forgive me.

Sharron



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To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Introduction and first submission



Hi Sharon :)
What took you so long ... ? :)
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Re: Re[2]: [WSG] CSS and Flash

2006-02-24 Thread sharron

http://www.designbyatfb.com/test/swftest2.html

Don't wuite understand what you are asking, but lol, asked several questions 
recently myself about valid swf files and why one worked in IE and not in 
FF. Here is my test page with several examples.


- Original Message - 
From: Martin Heiden [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Sean Jones wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 2:34 PM
Subject: Re[2]: [WSG] CSS and Flash



Sean,

Friday, February 24, 2006, 8:08:57 PM, you wrote:

SJ scroll down to the section on embed multimedia, it has info on how to 
embed

SJ flash using CSS.

I really doubt that it is possible to embed flash by CSS. All these
methods use the (X)HTML object tag. And this is mandatory to embed
flash or other multimedia content into HTML pages. (Ok, you could also
use the non standard embed tag for Netscape and Co., but there is
really no need to do so.)

Coming back to Mark's question, my answer is no, you can't use CSS for
your needs. The best thing you can do is using the UFO method that Jesse
already proposed, if you want to manage all your pages from one single
maintenance point. (There are other options like CMS, add your
favourite server side programming language her, or simple Dreamweaver
templates to do so.)

If you don't want to use JavaScript for that, you can use conditional
comments for showing/hiding the right/wrong object attributes to the
specific browsers:

!--[if IE]
 object classid=clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-44455354
![endif]--!--[if !IE]x--
 object data=/flash/homepage.swf type=application/x-shockwave-flash
!--![endif]--
param name=movie value=/flash/homepage.swf /
param name=quality value=high /
param name=wmode value=transparent /
!-- Alternate Content goes here --
img src=/img/flash/homepage.jpg alt= /
 /object

This will validate, but it uses IE proprietary conditional comments.
IMHO it is a valid and safe method, but there are other opinions about
that.

I hope, I could help you.

Martin.

PS: If anyone want to try to convince me, that it is possible to embed
flash by using CSS, I'm very interested in that solution. But I can't
imagine that.

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[WSG] Introduction and first submission

2006-02-23 Thread sharron



Pardon a silly question, but is it standard 
procedure to introduce one's self? I stumbled upon this site several days ago 
and have been inundated with wonderfully interesting and helpful information 
ever since.

I did read that I need to only use plain text, so I 
must first figure out how that is done on a email by email basis using Outlook 
Express.

I am Sharron a resident of the state of Texas, USA. 
I am a fairly newcomer to css, validation etcetera. 

Regards

Sharron






Re: [WSG] Introduction and first submission

2006-02-23 Thread sharron



Thank you for your kind welcome. I am excited about 
learning more. I wish there were more minutes in a day so I could absorb all 
that I can. I am quite afraid that I am more limited by my brain cells, then 
time constraints though.

Paul, I am not all that far from you, Waco area. I 
see from the site itself there is a member actually in Waco.

I sure hope that I can capture the way these 
notices or emails work, it is a bit daunting for a newbie.
I have setup new rules, in outlook hoping to 
download all messages from WSG into one folder, but have yet to manage to catch 
but a few! Now that I have posted from my site email address, I am getting these 
emails, in my inbox, my site folder, and the folder I had initially set up to 
receive them!

I am looking forward to more participation here, 
but I fear that I don't have much to offer. I am sure I will be able to offer up 
a css challenge once in awhile. But then again, most here seem to have a firm 
grasp on everything!

Sharron

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Paul 
  Menard 
  To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 
  Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 2:12 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [WSG] Introduction and first 
  submission
  
  
  
  Another Texan! Welcome Sharron. I'm here in Austin. - 
  Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSent: 
  Thursday, February 23, 2006 2:06:29 PMSubject: [WSG] Introduction and 
  first submission
  
  
  Pardon a silly question, but is it standard 
  procedure to introduce one's self? I stumbled upon this site several days ago 
  and have been inundated with wonderfully interesting and helpful information 
  ever since.
  
  I did read that I need to only use plain text, so 
  I must first figure out how that is done on a email by email basis using 
  Outlook Express.
  
  I am Sharron a resident of the state of Texas, 
  USA. I am a fairly newcomer to css, validation etcetera. 
  
  Regards
  
  Sharron
  
  
  
  
  
  

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Re: [WSG] Introduction and first submission

2006-02-23 Thread sharron



Texas, really is a great placeisn't it! 
smile

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Helmut 
  Granda 
  To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 
  Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 2:34 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [WSG] Introduction and first 
  submission
  
  
  Welcome Sharron.. Im 
  in Austin too! 
  (just in case you were wondering J 
  )
  
  
  ...helmut
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
  Behalf Of Paul MenardSent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 2:13 
  PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] Introduction and first 
  submission
  
  
  
  
  Another Texan! Welcome Sharron. I'm here in Austin. - 
  Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSent: Thursday, 
  February 23, 2006 2:06:29 PMSubject: [WSG] Introduction and first 
  submission
  
  Pardon a silly question, but is it 
  standard procedure to introduce one's self? I stumbled upon this site several 
  days ago and have been inundated with wonderfully interesting and helpful 
  information ever since.
  
  
  
  I did read that I need to only use 
  plain text, so I must first figure out how that is done on a email by email 
  basis using Outlook Express.
  
  
  
  I am Sharron a resident of the 
  state of Texas, USA. I am a 
  fairly newcomer to css, validation etcetera. 
  
  
  
  
  Regards
  
  
  
  Sharron
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

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Re: [WSG] Introduction and first submission

2006-02-23 Thread sharron

pardon me yet again, but what is this...SXSW ?


- Original Message - 
From: Jan Brasna [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Introduction and first submission



I'm here in Austin.

[...]

Im in Austin too!


So you'll be the ones who should advise a good BBQ there, during SXSW ;)


Oh I can see an Austin WSG forming already!


A joint venture with Refresh (http://refreshaustin.org/) maybe? :)

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Re: [WSG] Introduction and first submission

2006-02-23 Thread sharron
well, I'll be, I should have been able to figure that out! Off to check out 
the link you so kindly provided.


Sharron
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South by South West - specifically the Interactive festival, being held in
Austin in just a few weeks.

http://www.sxsw.com




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pardon me yet again, but what is this...SXSW ?


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 I'm here in Austin.
 [...]
 Im in Austin too!

 So you'll be the ones who should advise a good BBQ there,
during SXSW ;)

 Oh I can see an Austin WSG forming already!

 A joint venture with Refresh (http://refreshaustin.org/) maybe? :)

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Re: [WSG] Introduction and first submission

2006-02-23 Thread sharron

Dear Paul,
Laughingly, I lead a rather sheltered life. Not to offer an excuse for being 
ignorant of such thing, I am not a native Texan, but quite proud to be a 
transplant and about a resident for more than 10 years!


Thanks for the link, I will check it out.

Sorry you will miss out on something you enjoy.

Sharron


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Actually to reply to to Jan first. There is (or was) a WSG group here in 
Austin. At least as of
SXSW 2005. They had a big party over at Frog Design. Great group of folks. 
I'm on a mailing or
invite for the monthly meeting. Have been traveling and you know according 
to Murphy's law I will
always be on the road during the monthly meeting. I'll dig up the site or 
email and pass it on to

the folks here in Austin.

As for the question what is this...SXSW?

Wow I've never quite had to answer this to another Texan. Try this link
http://2006.sxsw.com/interactive/

SXSW started as a music only festival back in the 1980s. The Film and 
Interactive (that's us web
and UI folks) came later in the 1990s. It's a 4-day get together were we 
attend panels to hear
about thing people are doing. Sort of a trade show but not for any one 
vendor. Last year the
keynote speakers were Jeffry Zeldman (in person) and Malcom Gladwell 
(Tipping point and Blink
author). Also in attendance were Eric Meyer, Doug Bowman, Andy Budd, 
Jerremy Keith. The folks from
down under from WestCiv who make an excellent CSS tool, Style Master. 
Sorry for the name dropping

there.

Anyway it's really a lot of fun.

P-


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pardon me yet again, but what is this...SXSW ?


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 I'm here in Austin.
 [...]
 Im in Austin too!

 So you'll be the ones who should advise a good BBQ there, during SXSW 
 ;)


 Oh I can see an Austin WSG forming already!

 A joint venture with Refresh (http://refreshaustin.org/) maybe? :)

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