Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE

2007-07-18 Thread Nick Roper


Thanks to everyone who has sent suggestions. I have tried different 
quotes, no quotes, reloading, etc, etc - but still no joy.


This just seems to be an issue on FF/Windows and the really weird thing 
is that the font works in one area of the page - the menus - but not for 
the headings. The font is specified in exactly the same way for both 
components in the CSS, but the headings refuse to play ball.


Nick



Nick Cowie wrote:

Raena wrote:

No, either doubles or singles are correct.
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS1#font-family

Double quotes might be correct in the specs and for all browsers that 
follow the specs including surprisingly IE6. Except for FF on windows, 
it does not want to play by the rules it needs single quotes not double 
quotes, I found this out the hard way last week.


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RE: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE

2007-07-18 Thread Naveen_Bhaskar
Hi...

Your styles works perfectly in my system inboth IE6 and FF 2.0.0.4.Even
I also tried removing your inline styles for the H! tag.. still it
works


naveen


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Thanks to everyone who has sent suggestions. I have tried different 
quotes, no quotes, reloading, etc, etc - but still no joy.

This just seems to be an issue on FF/Windows and the really weird thing 
is that the font works in one area of the page - the menus - but not for

the headings. The font is specified in exactly the same way for both 
components in the CSS, but the headings refuse to play ball.

Nick



Nick Cowie wrote:
 Raena wrote:
 
 No, either doubles or singles are correct.
 http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS1#font-family
 
 Double quotes might be correct in the specs and for all browsers that 
 follow the specs including surprisingly IE6. Except for FF on windows,

 it does not want to play by the rules it needs single quotes not
double 
 quotes, I found this out the hard way last week.
 
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Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE

2007-07-18 Thread Nick Roper

Hi Naveen,

I'm om FF 2.0.0.4 as well - can you confirm that tou see the ampersand 
character styled in 'Gates  Railings' the same way on both the heading 
and the menus ? I see different - with the menu being more stylised.


Thanks,

Nick

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Hi...

Your styles works perfectly in my system inboth IE6 and FF 2.0.0.4.Even
I also tried removing your inline styles for the H! tag.. still it
works


naveen


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Subject: Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE


Thanks to everyone who has sent suggestions. I have tried different 
quotes, no quotes, reloading, etc, etc - but still no joy.


This just seems to be an issue on FF/Windows and the really weird thing 
is that the font works in one area of the page - the menus - but not for


the headings. The font is specified in exactly the same way for both 
components in the CSS, but the headings refuse to play ball.


Nick



Nick Cowie wrote:

Raena wrote:

No, either doubles or singles are correct.
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS1#font-family

Double quotes might be correct in the specs and for all browsers that 
follow the specs including surprisingly IE6. Except for FF on windows,



it does not want to play by the rules it needs single quotes not
double 

quotes, I found this out the hard way last week.

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RE: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE

2007-07-18 Thread Kepler Gelotte
I'm om FF 2.0.0.4 as well - can you confirm that tou see the ampersand 
character styled in 'Gates  Railings' the same way on both the heading 
and the menus ? I see different - with the menu being more stylised.
Hi Nick,

I think the issue may be that the H1 tag is defaulting to different font
weights on different browsers. I added the FONT-WEIGHT: normal; below to the
H1 CSS definition and it appears now in Garamond (at least on IE7 on my
computer). I suspect I don't have the Garamond bold font set loaded on my
computer. 

As other people have mentioned, a comma separated list of fallback fonts
would be a good idea.

H1 {
FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 2.5em; COLOR: #051779; FONT-STYLE:
italic; FONT-FAMILY: Garamond;
}


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[WSG] H1 font not set in IE

2007-07-17 Thread Nick Roper

Hi,

We are making some changes to an existing site for a client - basically 
converting to CSS as far as possible. I'd appreciate it if someone could 
take a look at this page:


http://dev.logical.co.uk/castlewelding/final/gates_railings.php

The font for the h1 should be Garamond - as it is for the menus at the 
left. However it refuses to render in FF/Windows - although it is fine 
on FF/Mac. The other weird thing is that FF/Windows renders Garamond for 
the menus but not the h1.


I have stared at it until I can't see wood for trees any more. I even 
tried adding an inline style attribute into the H1 tag - but that didn't 
work either. Am I missing something startlingly obvious?


Thanks,

Nick

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Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE

2007-07-17 Thread Nick Gleitzman


On 17 Jul 2007, at 8:40 PM, Nick Roper wrote:


http://dev.logical.co.uk/castlewelding/final/gates_railings.php

The font for the h1 should be Garamond - as it is for the menus at the 
left. However it refuses to render in FF/Windows - although it is fine 
on FF/Mac. The other weird thing is that FF/Windows renders Garamond 
for the menus but not the h1.


I have stared at it until I can't see wood for trees any more. I even 
tried adding an inline style attribute into the H1 tag - but that 
didn't work either. Am I missing something startlingly obvious?


Umm... possibly that a font won't render if it's not present on the 
machine? I see Verdana for both H1 and the LH menu, because I don't 
have Garamond in my default set of fonts; I'd have to activate it with 
Suitcase if I want it.


It would be a good idea to specify a family of fonts in your css, 
instead of just the one - that way you're supplying a fallback style 
for those that don't have Garamond. Choose fonts that are present on 
most OSs for best results. Maybe Palatino, or Georgia?


See http://www.ampsoft.net/webdesign-l/WindowsMacFonts.html for a 
handy list of common fonts for both 'doze and Mac.


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Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE

2007-07-17 Thread Nick Roper

Hi Tony,

But the weird thing is that it renders OK for the menus, which also 
specify italic.


Nick

Tony Crockford wrote:


On 17 Jul 2007, at 11:40, Nick Roper wrote:



I have stared at it until I can't see wood for trees any more. I even 
tried adding an inline style attribute into the H1 tag - but that 
didn't work either. Am I missing something startlingly obvious?


assuming windows actually has the font installed, you are also 
specifying italic - maybe windows doesn't have an italic version?




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Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE

2007-07-17 Thread Nick Roper

Hi Nick,

Thanks for that. The weird thing is though that Garamond does render for 
the menus. So, on the same machine/browser, the menus render in Garamond 
- so the font is there OK - but the headers don't.


Nick



Nick Gleitzman wrote:


On 17 Jul 2007, at 8:40 PM, Nick Roper wrote:


http://dev.logical.co.uk/castlewelding/final/gates_railings.php

The font for the h1 should be Garamond - as it is for the menus at the 
left. However it refuses to render in FF/Windows - although it is fine 
on FF/Mac. The other weird thing is that FF/Windows renders Garamond 
for the menus but not the h1.


I have stared at it until I can't see wood for trees any more. I even 
tried adding an inline style attribute into the H1 tag - but that 
didn't work either. Am I missing something startlingly obvious?


Umm... possibly that a font won't render if it's not present on the 
machine? I see Verdana for both H1 and the LH menu, because I don't have 
Garamond in my default set of fonts; I'd have to activate it with 
Suitcase if I want it.


It would be a good idea to specify a family of fonts in your css, 
instead of just the one - that way you're supplying a fallback style for 
those that don't have Garamond. Choose fonts that are present on most 
OSs for best results. Maybe Palatino, or Georgia?


See http://www.ampsoft.net/webdesign-l/WindowsMacFonts.html for a 
handy list of common fonts for both 'doze and Mac.


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Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE

2007-07-17 Thread James Jeffery

Im using FireFox on a Mac and it works fine.

:P

On 7/17/07, Nick Roper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi Nick,

Thanks for that. The weird thing is though that Garamond does render for
the menus. So, on the same machine/browser, the menus render in Garamond
- so the font is there OK - but the headers don't.

Nick



Nick Gleitzman wrote:

 On 17 Jul 2007, at 8:40 PM, Nick Roper wrote:

 http://dev.logical.co.uk/castlewelding/final/gates_railings.php

 The font for the h1 should be Garamond - as it is for the menus at the
 left. However it refuses to render in FF/Windows - although it is fine
 on FF/Mac. The other weird thing is that FF/Windows renders Garamond
 for the menus but not the h1.

 I have stared at it until I can't see wood for trees any more. I even
 tried adding an inline style attribute into the H1 tag - but that
 didn't work either. Am I missing something startlingly obvious?

 Umm... possibly that a font won't render if it's not present on the
 machine? I see Verdana for both H1 and the LH menu, because I don't have
 Garamond in my default set of fonts; I'd have to activate it with
 Suitcase if I want it.

 It would be a good idea to specify a family of fonts in your css,
 instead of just the one - that way you're supplying a fallback style for
 those that don't have Garamond. Choose fonts that are present on most
 OSs for best results. Maybe Palatino, or Georgia?

 See http://www.ampsoft.net/webdesign-l/WindowsMacFonts.html for a
 handy list of common fonts for both 'doze and Mac.

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Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE

2007-07-17 Thread Nick Roper

Hi James,

Yup, as I say, it works fine for both headers and menus on FF/MAc, but 
only for the menus on FF/Win.


What I'm trying to figure out is why the menus render in Garamamond but 
the headings don't on FF/Win


Nick




James Jeffery wrote:

Im using FireFox on a Mac and it works fine.

:P

On 7/17/07, *Nick Roper* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi Nick,

Thanks for that. The weird thing is though that Garamond does render
for
the menus. So, on the same machine/browser, the menus render in Garamond
- so the font is there OK - but the headers don't.

Nick



Nick Gleitzman wrote:
 
  On 17 Jul 2007, at 8:40 PM, Nick Roper wrote:
 
  http://dev.logical.co.uk/castlewelding/final/gates_railings.php
 
  The font for the h1 should be Garamond - as it is for the menus
at the
  left. However it refuses to render in FF/Windows - although it
is fine
  on FF/Mac. The other weird thing is that FF/Windows renders Garamond
  for the menus but not the h1.
 
  I have stared at it until I can't see wood for trees any more. I
even
  tried adding an inline style attribute into the H1 tag - but that
  didn't work either. Am I missing something startlingly obvious?
 
  Umm... possibly that a font won't render if it's not present on the
  machine? I see Verdana for both H1 and the LH menu, because I
don't have
  Garamond in my default set of fonts; I'd have to activate it with
  Suitcase if I want it.
 
  It would be a good idea to specify a family of fonts in your css,
  instead of just the one - that way you're supplying a fallback
style for
  those that don't have Garamond. Choose fonts that are present on
most
  OSs for best results. Maybe Palatino, or Georgia?
 
  See http://www.ampsoft.net/webdesign-l/WindowsMacFonts.html for a
  handy list of common fonts for both 'doze and Mac.
 
  HTH
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Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE

2007-07-17 Thread Michael Turnwall

Nick Roper wrote:

Hi,

We are making some changes to an existing site for a client - 
basically converting to CSS as far as possible. I'd appreciate it if 
someone could take a look at this page:


http://dev.logical.co.uk/castlewelding/final/gates_railings.php

The font for the h1 should be Garamond - as it is for the menus at the 
left. However it refuses to render in FF/Windows - although it is fine 
on FF/Mac. The other weird thing is that FF/Windows renders Garamond 
for the menus but not the h1.


I have stared at it until I can't see wood for trees any more. I even 
tried adding an inline style attribute into the H1 tag - but that 
didn't work either. Am I missing something startlingly obvious?


Thanks,

Nick

PS - image replacement will be made more

I'm seeing Garamond (bold/italic) in IE6.


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Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE

2007-07-17 Thread David Hucklesby
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:25:00 +0100, Nick Roper wrote:
 Hi James,

 Yup, as I say, it works fine for both headers and menus on FF/MAc, but only 
 for the
 menus on FF/Win.

 What I'm trying to figure out is why the menus render in Garamamond but the 
 headings
 don't on FF/Win


Interesting. I'm on a pretty basic Win XP Pro setup. Opera shows both
the menu and headings in Garamond; Firefox 2 shows Times, I think,
for *both* here, as does IE. Hmm.

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Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE

2007-07-17 Thread David Hucklesby
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:25:00 +0100, Nick Roper wrote:
 Hi James,

 Yup, as I say, it works fine for both headers and menus on FF/MAc, but only 
 for the
 menus on FF/Win.

 What I'm trying to figure out is why the menus render in Garamamond but the 
 headings
 don't on FF/Win


Interesting. I'm on a pretty basic Win XP Pro setup. Opera shows both
the menu and headings in Garamond; Firefox 2 shows Times, I think,
for *both* here, as does IE. Hmm.

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Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE

2007-07-17 Thread David Hucklesby
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:25:00 +0100, Nick Roper wrote:
 Hi James,

 Yup, as I say, it works fine for both headers and menus on FF/MAc, but only 
 for the
 menus on FF/Win.

 What I'm trying to figure out is why the menus render in Garamamond but the 
 headings
 don't on FF/Win


Correction to my previous post. Garamond is not installed on my computer.
I don't know what Opera substitutes, but it is certainly not the default
Times New Roman defined in my preferences.

Sorry for the noise.

Cordially,
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Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE

2007-07-17 Thread David Hucklesby
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:25:00 +0100, Nick Roper wrote:
 Hi James,

 Yup, as I say, it works fine for both headers and menus on FF/MAc, but only 
 for the
 menus on FF/Win.

 What I'm trying to figure out is why the menus render in Garamamond but the 
 headings
 don't on FF/Win


Correction to my previous post. Garamond is not installed on my computer.
I don't know what Opera substitutes, but it is certainly not the default
Times New Roman defined in my preferences.

Sorry for the noise.

Cordially,
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Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE

2007-07-17 Thread Alan Berman

Hello Nick,

I'm using FF 2.0.0.4 in Windows 2000 and I see Garamond bold italic 
for the h1, even after I smudge out the inline style with the Web 
Developer toolbar--so your style sheet is working, at least for me. 
Menus are also displayed in Garamond, but normal weight, italic (too 
light for my tastes--lots of aliasing, but it is as you call for it). 
I think it's an issue of what FF must be looking for in your 
installed fonts list.


Here's the relevant portion of my fonts folder:
http://www.bermanweb.com/files/garamonding.jpg

Alan

At 03:40 AM 7/17/2007, you wrote:

Hi,

We are making some changes to an existing site for a client - 
basically converting to CSS as far as possible. I'd appreciate it if 
someone could take a look at this page:


http://dev.logical.co.uk/castlewelding/final/gates_railings.php

The font for the h1 should be Garamond - as it is for the menus at 
the left. However it refuses to render in FF/Windows - although it 
is fine on FF/Mac. The other weird thing is that FF/Windows renders 
Garamond for the menus but not the h1.


I have stared at it until I can't see wood for trees any more. I 
even tried adding an inline style attribute into the H1 tag - but 
that didn't work either. Am I missing something startlingly obvious?


Thanks,

Nick

PS - image replacement will be made more
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Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE

2007-07-17 Thread Lea de Groot
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:40:00 +0100, Nick Roper wrote:
 http://dev.logical.co.uk/castlewelding/final/gates_railings.php
 
 The font for the h1 should be Garamond - as it is for the menus at 
 the left. However it refuses to render in FF/Windows - although it is 
 fine on FF/Mac. The other weird thing is that FF/Windows renders 
 Garamond for the menus but not the h1.

Could it be a caching issue?
If you view the style sheet directly in the browser, does the H1 have 
the correct style?
If not, hard-refresh it and look again :)

warmly,
Lea
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Elysian Systems
Brisbane, Australia


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Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE

2007-07-17 Thread Nick Cowie

Nick

The odd results you are getting is because you are wrapping the fonts in
double quotes ie garamond.

You do not need to wrap font names in quotes unless the have a space in them
and them you should use single quotes ie 'apple garamond'


Nick


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Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE

2007-07-17 Thread Raena Jackson Armitage

On 7/18/07, Nick Cowie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


You do not need to wrap font names in quotes unless the have a space in
them and them you should use single quotes ie 'apple garamond'




No, either doubles or singles are correct.
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS1#font-family



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Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE

2007-07-17 Thread Nick Cowie

Raena wrote:

No, either doubles or singles are correct.

http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS1#font-family

Double quotes might be correct in the specs and for all browsers that

follow the specs including surprisingly IE6. Except for FF on windows, it
does not want to play by the rules it needs single quotes not double quotes,
I found this out the hard way last week.

Nick


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