RE: [WSG] yuzgen.com review please
Boke, There is no reason at all that the validator would choke on Turkish characters, if the text is properly encoded in utf-8. I ran a test, and think I know what the problem is. If you run the validator on your current page [1], but tell it that the encoding is utf-8 (which it is not - it's iso-8859-9), you get exactly the same error message. This suggests to me that you didn't actually save your file as UTF-8, you just changed the encoding declaration in the meta tag. You should try saving the file as utf-8 (see how to do this for various editors [2]), and change the encoding declaration. Then it should work. RI [1] http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fira.com.tr%2Fy%2Fcharset=utf -8doctype=Inlineverbose=1 [2] http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-setting-encoding-in-application s Richard Ishida W3C contact info: http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/ W3C Internationalization: http://www.w3.org/International/ Publication blog: http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boke Yuzgen Sent: 22 November 2004 21:35 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] yuzgen.com review please Lang attributes: Fixed. UTF-8 instead of ISO: Here's the validator's message: Sorry, I am unable to validate this document because on lines 7-9, 11, 79, 84, 86-87, 89-92, 101, 104-107, 114 it contained one or more bytes that I cannot interpret as utf-8 (in other words, the bytes found are not valid values in the specified Character Encoding). Please check both the content of the file and the character encoding indication. It doesn't like the Turkish characters. I simply won't write any UTF-8 codes while writing an article to my web site. If it doesn't validate my web page some day some how because of Turkish characters, I won't mind if my pages render correct. If my pages don't render correct with the Turkish characters in the code, I will use Flash. ;) Because English speaking people can simply write for the web by hitting one character they know. Why shoulf non-English speaking people like me bother character entities etc? Also, I know I can use findreplace on multi files at the same time, but I won't do that. Then I will have to backup two copies of each page (eg. if I want to use my text elsewhere, what will I do then? Reconvert to the original?). - Why? - Because W3C said so. Thank you for your comment. --- Boke Yuzgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will fix lang when I go home. I'm at work now. I use W3C's validator. I will also post the error it reports when I use UTF-8 when I go home. Thank you, --- Richard Ishida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting. Which validator are you using? By rights, it shouldn't validate as is, since XML requires an XML declaration (ie. ?xml version=1.0 encoding=iso-8859-9?) when not using utf-8. Did you note the comment about lang attributes? RI Richard Ishida W3C contact info: http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/ W3C Internationalization: http://www.w3.org/International/ Publication blog: http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boke Yuzgen Sent: 22 November 2004 12:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] yuzgen.com review please Idid it first, but my pages won't validate if I use UTF-8. --- Richard Ishida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please change html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en lang=en to html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=tr lang=tr Have you considered using UTF-8, rather than charset=iso-8859-9 ? Hope that helps, RI Richard Ishida W3C contact info: http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/ W3C Internationalization: http://www.w3.org/International/ Publication blog: http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boke Yuzgen Sent: 22 November 2004 09:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] yuzgen.com review please Hi, Can you please review this site? Site language is not English. http://yuzgen.com/ Thanks in advance, -- Boke Yuzgen ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help
RE: [WSG] yuzgen.com review please
Richard, It sounds interesting. I never knew it, my bad. I thought UTF-8 format is plain text. I will give it a try when I go home. Thank you very much. --- Richard Ishida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Boke, There is no reason at all that the validator would choke on Turkish characters, if the text is properly encoded in utf-8. I ran a test, and think I know what the problem is. If you run the validator on your current page [1], but tell it that the encoding is utf-8 (which it is not - it's iso-8859-9), you get exactly the same error message. This suggests to me that you didn't actually save your file as UTF-8, you just changed the encoding declaration in the meta tag. You should try saving the file as utf-8 (see how to do this for various editors [2]), and change the encoding declaration. Then it should work. RI [1] http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fira.com.tr%2Fy%2Fcharset=utf -8doctype=Inlineverbose=1 [2] http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-setting-encoding-in-application s Richard Ishida W3C contact info: http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/ W3C Internationalization: http://www.w3.org/International/ Publication blog: http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boke Yuzgen Sent: 22 November 2004 21:35 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] yuzgen.com review please Lang attributes: Fixed. UTF-8 instead of ISO: Here's the validator's message: Sorry, I am unable to validate this document because on lines 7-9, 11, 79, 84, 86-87, 89-92, 101, 104-107, 114 it contained one or more bytes that I cannot interpret as utf-8 (in other words, the bytes found are not valid values in the specified Character Encoding). Please check both the content of the file and the character encoding indication. It doesn't like the Turkish characters. I simply won't write any UTF-8 codes while writing an article to my web site. If it doesn't validate my web page some day some how because of Turkish characters, I won't mind if my pages render correct. If my pages don't render correct with the Turkish characters in the code, I will use Flash. ;) Because English speaking people can simply write for the web by hitting one character they know. Why shoulf non-English speaking people like me bother character entities etc? Also, I know I can use findreplace on multi files at the same time, but I won't do that. Then I will have to backup two copies of each page (eg. if I want to use my text elsewhere, what will I do then? Reconvert to the original?). - Why? - Because W3C said so. Thank you for your comment. --- Boke Yuzgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will fix lang when I go home. I'm at work now. I use W3C's validator. I will also post the error it reports when I use UTF-8 when I go home. Thank you, --- Richard Ishida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting. Which validator are you using? By rights, it shouldn't validate as is, since XML requires an XML declaration (ie. ?xml version=1.0 encoding=iso-8859-9?) when not using utf-8. Did you note the comment about lang attributes? RI Richard Ishida W3C contact info: http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/ W3C Internationalization: http://www.w3.org/International/ Publication blog: http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boke Yuzgen Sent: 22 November 2004 12:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] yuzgen.com review please Idid it first, but my pages won't validate if I use UTF-8. --- Richard Ishida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please change html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en lang=en to html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=tr lang=tr Have you considered using UTF-8, rather than charset=iso-8859-9 ? Hope that helps, RI Richard Ishida W3C contact info: http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/ W3C Internationalization: http://www.w3.org/International/ Publication blog: http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boke Yuzgen Sent: 22 November 2004 09:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] yuzgen.com review please Hi, Can you please review this site
[WSG] yuzgen.com review please
Hi, Can you please review this site? Site language is not English. http://yuzgen.com/ Thanks in advance, -- Boke Yuzgen __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] yuzgen.com review please
Please change html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en lang=en to html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=tr lang=tr Have you considered using UTF-8, rather than charset=iso-8859-9 ? Hope that helps, RI Richard Ishida W3C contact info: http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/ W3C Internationalization: http://www.w3.org/International/ Publication blog: http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boke Yuzgen Sent: 22 November 2004 09:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] yuzgen.com review please Hi, Can you please review this site? Site language is not English. http://yuzgen.com/ Thanks in advance, -- Boke Yuzgen __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] yuzgen.com review please
Idid it first, but my pages won't validate if I use UTF-8. --- Richard Ishida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please change html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en lang=en to html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=tr lang=tr Have you considered using UTF-8, rather than charset=iso-8859-9 ? Hope that helps, RI Richard Ishida W3C contact info: http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/ W3C Internationalization: http://www.w3.org/International/ Publication blog: http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boke Yuzgen Sent: 22 November 2004 09:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] yuzgen.com review please Hi, Can you please review this site? Site language is not English. http://yuzgen.com/ Thanks in advance, -- Boke Yuzgen __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] yuzgen.com review please
Interesting. Which validator are you using? By rights, it shouldn't validate as is, since XML requires an XML declaration (ie. ?xml version=1.0 encoding=iso-8859-9?) when not using utf-8. Did you note the comment about lang attributes? RI Richard Ishida W3C contact info: http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/ W3C Internationalization: http://www.w3.org/International/ Publication blog: http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boke Yuzgen Sent: 22 November 2004 12:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] yuzgen.com review please Idid it first, but my pages won't validate if I use UTF-8. --- Richard Ishida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please change html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en lang=en to html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=tr lang=tr Have you considered using UTF-8, rather than charset=iso-8859-9 ? Hope that helps, RI Richard Ishida W3C contact info: http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/ W3C Internationalization: http://www.w3.org/International/ Publication blog: http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boke Yuzgen Sent: 22 November 2004 09:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] yuzgen.com review please Hi, Can you please review this site? Site language is not English. http://yuzgen.com/ Thanks in advance, -- Boke Yuzgen ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] yuzgen.com review please
Lang attributes: Fixed. UTF-8 instead of ISO: Here's the validator's message: Sorry, I am unable to validate this document because on lines 7-9, 11, 79, 84, 86-87, 89-92, 101, 104-107, 114 it contained one or more bytes that I cannot interpret as utf-8 (in other words, the bytes found are not valid values in the specified Character Encoding). Please check both the content of the file and the character encoding indication. It doesn't like the Turkish characters. I simply won't write any UTF-8 codes while writing an article to my web site. If it doesn't validate my web page some day some how because of Turkish characters, I won't mind if my pages render correct. If my pages don't render correct with the Turkish characters in the code, I will use Flash. ;) Because English speaking people can simply write for the web by hitting one character they know. Why shoulf non-English speaking people like me bother character entities etc? Also, I know I can use findreplace on multi files at the same time, but I won't do that. Then I will have to backup two copies of each page (eg. if I want to use my text elsewhere, what will I do then? Reconvert to the original?). - Why? - Because W3C said so. Thank you for your comment. --- Boke Yuzgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will fix lang when I go home. I'm at work now. I use W3C's validator. I will also post the error it reports when I use UTF-8 when I go home. Thank you, --- Richard Ishida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting. Which validator are you using? By rights, it shouldn't validate as is, since XML requires an XML declaration (ie. ?xml version=1.0 encoding=iso-8859-9?) when not using utf-8. Did you note the comment about lang attributes? RI Richard Ishida W3C contact info: http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/ W3C Internationalization: http://www.w3.org/International/ Publication blog: http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boke Yuzgen Sent: 22 November 2004 12:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] yuzgen.com review please Idid it first, but my pages won't validate if I use UTF-8. --- Richard Ishida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please change html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en lang=en to html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=tr lang=tr Have you considered using UTF-8, rather than charset=iso-8859-9 ? Hope that helps, RI Richard Ishida W3C contact info: http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/ W3C Internationalization: http://www.w3.org/International/ Publication blog: http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boke Yuzgen Sent: 22 November 2004 09:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] yuzgen.com review please Hi, Can you please review this site? Site language is not English. http://yuzgen.com/ Thanks in advance, -- Boke Yuzgen ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
