Re: [WSG] Progressive Enhancement related article
YES! THanks SO much! Sorry Mr. Clarke ;-) On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Simon Wilder simon.wil...@gmail.com wrote: http://24ways.org/2009/ignorance-is-bliss is that article. Was by Andy Clarke for 24ways. I hope this was the one you were after. On 16 Feb 2010, at 21:29, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote: List, I recently came across an article - possibly by Roger Johansson - where in the article the author discussed a web page design that was shown to 2 different people from the same client but in different locations. Based on the browser being used, they each received a different experience but each loved what they saw, not knowing each saw a slightly different experience. It may have been a fictitious scenario. Not sure. Does this ring a bell with anyone? I am going nuts trying to track it back down. It was one of those link-in-an-article-that-was-a-link-from-another-article kinda things and I unfortunately didn't bookmark it. If you know of this article, please forward a link - OFF LIST. Thanks a bunch, if you spend any time on this. I appreciate it. -- -- Tom Livingston | Senior Interactive Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Progressive Enhancement related article
http://24ways.org/2009/ignorance-is-bliss is that article. Was by Andy Clarke for 24ways. I hope this was the one you were after. On 16 Feb 2010, at 21:29, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote: List, I recently came across an article - possibly by Roger Johansson - where in the article the author discussed a web page design that was shown to 2 different people from the same client but in different locations. Based on the browser being used, they each received a different experience but each loved what they saw, not knowing each saw a slightly different experience. It may have been a fictitious scenario. Not sure. Does this ring a bell with anyone? I am going nuts trying to track it back down. It was one of those link-in-an-article-that-was-a-link-from-another-article kinda things and I unfortunately didn't bookmark it. If you know of this article, please forward a link - OFF LIST. Thanks a bunch, if you spend any time on this. I appreciate it. -- Tom Livingston | Senior Interactive Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Progressive Enhancement
I hate it when Google returns hits from years ago... Thank god they added that little sidebar where you can specify a date range. Interesting. Because imho, there are *great* articles out there that have been written years ago. A simple example that comes to mind is onhavinglayout from Ingo Chao created on 2005 (last update 2008). Jukka Korpela's articles also date from *years* ago as well as stuff from Georg Sørtun, John Gallant Holly Bergevin, Bruno Fassino, etc. I'm not saying that everything old is a good read, I'm just saying that ignoring results because they are old may not be the best way to go when it comes to find the best answer/solution. I'm not discounting older results. It depends on what I am looking for. In this case, I am looking for recent articles on PE so as to have the latest info on what is now considered the norm. WHat experts are doing now. Where PE has evolved to. For example, I already know how to apply a PNG fix to IE6 to achieve more advanced front end effects in IE 6 - keeping the same look across all browsers. What I'd like to get at now is how people are delivering a base experience to IE 6, and building on it for modern browsers. Hope I am explaining my point right. Thierry, I agree with you whole-heartedly. Also, IMHO, Google buried that date feature. I had to dig for it. ;-) -- Tom Livingston | Senior Interactive Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Progressive Enhancement
ot Also, IMHO, Google buried that date feature. I had to dig for it. ;-) Ha! You think that is buried?? Man, up until a few months ago it was hiding deep within the advanced search section. Personally, I wish the new Google sidebar would stay open. There is also a GreaseMonkey script that puts the date filter as a dropdown right next to the Google search box. /ot @Thierry, I just assumed that Tom wanted the most recent results. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Progressive Enhancement
Hi Tom, SitePoint has a good few articles on this topic, they're pretty recent too, in terms of not being so many years old. Have a look here: http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/10/06/progressive-enhancement-1-html/ http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/10/07/progressive-enhancement-2-css/ http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/10/08/progressive-enhancement-3-javascript/ http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/09/22/progressive-enhancement-graceful-degradation-basics/ http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/09/23/progressive-enhancement-graceful-degradation-choice/ Also, I'd be interested in seeing what findings you currently have, if you can send them to me, that would be great thanks. Hope that list helps too. Andrew Cooper Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:23:49 -0500 Subject: [WSG] Progressive Enhancement From: tom...@gmail.com To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Hello list, Does anyone have any good resources for current progressive enhancement techniques and also talking points? Google has shown me rather old articles, so I thought I'd hit you guys up for what you are doing in this area now. I am going to be doing a presentation to coworkers and I'd like to have *up-to-date* info on what the most agreed upon and accepted concepts and most used techniques are as of late. I know it can get controversial, but there must be a majority consensus on at least some things. Off-list would be fine, and probably preferred. If others are interested, email me and I can forward findings to you. Thanks in advance for any help as I dig into this. -- Tom Livingston | Senior Interactive Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** _ Tell us your greatest, weirdest and funniest Hotmail stories http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Progressive Enhancement
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Micky Hulse Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:54 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Progressive Enhancement Hi, Does anyone have any good resources for current progressive enhancement techniques and also talking points? Google has shown me rather old articles, so I thought I'd hit you guys up for what you are I hate it when Google returns hits from years ago... Thank god they added that little sidebar where you can specify a date range. Interesting. Because imho, there are *great* articles out there that have been written years ago. A simple example that comes to mind is onhavinglayout from Ingo Chao created on 2005 (last update 2008). Jukka Korpela's articles also date from *years* ago as well as stuff from Georg Sørtun, John Gallant Holly Bergevin, Bruno Fassino, etc. I'm not saying that everything old is a good read, I'm just saying that ignoring results because they are old may not be the best way to go when it comes to find the best answer/solution. -- Regards, Thierry | www.tjkdesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Progressive Enhancement
I wrote a piece on progressive enhancement vs. graceful degradation a little while back. http://www.flexewebs.com/semantix/progressive-enhancement/ http://www.flexewebs.com/semantix/progressive-enhancement/Probably could add some more concrete examples in there and make some more points, but it might be useful for you. Thanks, Jason On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote: Hello list, Does anyone have any good resources for current progressive enhancement techniques and also talking points? Google has shown me rather old articles, so I thought I'd hit you guys up for what you are doing in this area now. I am going to be doing a presentation to coworkers and I'd like to have *up-to-date* info on what the most agreed upon and accepted concepts and most used techniques are as of late. I know it can get controversial, but there must be a majority consensus on at least some things. Off-list would be fine, and probably preferred. If others are interested, email me and I can forward findings to you. Thanks in advance for any help as I dig into this. -- Tom Livingston | Senior Interactive Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Jason Grant BSc, MSc CEO, Flexewebs Ltd. www.flexewebs.com ja...@flexewebs.com +44 (0)7748 591 770 Company no.: 5587469 www.flexewebs.com/semantix www.twitter.com/flexewebs www.linkedin.com/in/flexewebs *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Progressive Enhancement
Hi, Does anyone have any good resources for current progressive enhancement techniques and also talking points? Google has shown me rather old articles, so I thought I'd hit you guys up for what you are I hate it when Google returns hits from years ago... Thank god they added that little sidebar where you can specify a date range. Speaking of date range, I searched for progressive enhancement within the last week, and found this: Designing with Progressive Enhancement - Building the Web that Works for Everyone http://www.filamentgroup.com/dwpe/ Not sure if that is helpful... Looks like a good book though. Micky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
