Re: [WSG] scrolling area
On 15/06/2004, at 4:21 PM, Jake Badger wrote: From having a quick play with those scrollers they seem to do exactly what you want when both CSS and JavaScript are off but not when just one is off. I guess the question is how many people actualy browse like that (one on/ one off). "Lots" is my guess. I spend quite a lot of time with JS off, but have never turned off CSS for more than 10 seconds while testing a web page design. Lots of companies will turn off JS for security reasons, but I'm yet to hear of an IT department turning of CSS for security reasons! --- Justin French http://indent.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] scrolling area
>From having a quick play with those scrollers they seem to do exactly what you want when both CSS and JavaScript are off but not when just one is off. I guess the question is how many people actualy browse like that (one on/ one off). Jake. Quoting Justin French <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 15/06/2004, at 1:23 AM, Tim Lucas wrote: > > > Justin French spoke the following wise words on 14/06/2004 11:29 PM > > EST: > >> So, I'd like to experiment with a javascript/css based solution which > >> (preferably) is 100% accessible, based on a scroll box with simple up > >> and down arrows, etc. > > > > Travis Beckham's divscroller works a treat: > > http://www.squidfingers.com/code/dhtml/?id=divscroller2 > > http://www.squidfingers.com/code/dhtml/?id=divscroller > > Thanks, but they're not very accessible at all. At the very least I > would hope that (when JS isn't available) the text would still be > readable (eg: break the layout to ensure accessibility). > > I think what needs to be done is start with an accessible layout, then > have javascript come in over the top and add any new mark-up and styles > that are needed, but I'm a little over my head there. > > --- > Justin French > http://indent.com.au > > * > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > * > > * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] scrolling area
Is there any way you can convince your client that custom scrollbars are are bad idea? Because 1. oh boy, they are (they're less accessible, they're less functional, they act unpredictably, their implementation is invariably mind-bogglingly complicated), and 2. while it's probably possible to achieve what you're after, the effort that you're going to need to put in to do so is going to be incredibly disproportionate to the reward (unless you're being very well paid, and by the hour :) Cheers, Andrew Taumoefolau * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] scrolling area
On 15/06/2004, at 1:23 AM, Tim Lucas wrote: Justin French spoke the following wise words on 14/06/2004 11:29 PM EST: So, I'd like to experiment with a javascript/css based solution which (preferably) is 100% accessible, based on a scroll box with simple up and down arrows, etc. Travis Beckham's divscroller works a treat: http://www.squidfingers.com/code/dhtml/?id=divscroller2 http://www.squidfingers.com/code/dhtml/?id=divscroller Thanks, but they're not very accessible at all. At the very least I would hope that (when JS isn't available) the text would still be readable (eg: break the layout to ensure accessibility). I think what needs to be done is start with an accessible layout, then have javascript come in over the top and add any new mark-up and styles that are needed, but I'm a little over my head there. --- Justin French http://indent.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] scrolling area
Erm, Not very accessible. No keyboard access I could figure out. Would it not be better to use inline frames and apply IE only CSS to the scrollbars? mike 2k:)2 -Original Message- From: Tim Lucas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 June 2004 16:24 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] scrolling area Justin French spoke the following wise words on 14/06/2004 11:29 PM EST: > So, I'd like to experiment with a javascript/css based solution which > (preferably) is 100% accessible, based on a scroll box with simple up > and down arrows, etc. Travis Beckham's divscroller works a treat: http://www.squidfingers.com/code/dhtml/?id=divscroller2 http://www.squidfingers.com/code/dhtml/?id=divscroller -- tim lucas http://www.toolmantim.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help * ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] scrolling area
Justin French spoke the following wise words on 14/06/2004 11:29 PM EST: So, I'd like to experiment with a javascript/css based solution which (preferably) is 100% accessible, based on a scroll box with simple up and down arrows, etc. Travis Beckham's divscroller works a treat: http://www.squidfingers.com/code/dhtml/?id=divscroller2 http://www.squidfingers.com/code/dhtml/?id=divscroller -- tim lucas http://www.toolmantim.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] scrolling area
On Monday, June 14, 2004, at 11:29 PM, Justin French wrote: So, I'd like to experiment with a javascript/css based solution which (preferably) is 100% accessible, based on a scroll box with simple up and down arrows, etc. Justin, take a look at the solution I came up with for two sites last year - same request from client (who was the designer) to remove the system-based scrollbars on frames (Frames? Gasp!). http://www.foleys.com.au/ http://www.marinepark.com.au/facilities.htm (the end client has got hold of this since delivery and done some DIY additions - check out the Home page... eek!) ***Warning*** These are pre-Standards era sites for me... just don't give me a hard time, OK? Not sure about the accessibility issue, but the javascript works OK. I actually pointed out to the designer at the time that lack of javascript would mean that the site couldn't be navigated, but I got the 'That's OK, all our visitors have IE/Win' line... Huh. Nick ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
