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Handled! (and look! I didn't curse even once! ;)) Lea -- Lea de Groot Core Group Member On 2 Mar 2007 21:13:18 -0800, RBaggs wrote: Subject: Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org [ZONEALARM CHALLENGE] to: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mlf-Communication-Key: abbb-dbcg-aaab-fbch-baeb-cbbj;disposition=internal Precedence: bulk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/related; boundary=__1172898796.1051.MlfMimeMail__ snip *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
sime wrote: I used the following as the foundation of my current approach to style sheets. http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/sample.html If I am understanding it correctly, thats not meant for page developers/designers to base from, its meant for browser developers to start from. You can expect that the default styles supplied by each browser will be something like these. For a web developer to start with something like this would put an un-necessary large download on each page. (Yes, yes, I know - caching - but its still redundant) However, I'm told that my code is therefore not XHTML compliant because of my use of uppercase. So who then is HTML4 relevant to? I don't really understand the question. As written, the css shown will work under HTML dtds (and XHTML transitional? I'm not sure as I never use it) but not XHTML strict DTDs. To make it work correctly for XHTML strict, you should change each tag name to lowercase. Its a trivial change. HIH! Lea ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Lea de Groot wrote: sime wrote: However, I'm told that my code is therefore not XHTML compliant because of my use of uppercase. So who then is HTML4 relevant to? I don't really understand the question. As written, the css shown will work under HTML dtds (and XHTML transitional? I'm not sure as I never use it) but not XHTML strict DTDs. No, it will not work under XHTML at all. The DOCTYPE is irrelevant, XHTML is case sensitive and uppercase element selectors will not match anything in XHTML. It will only work for text/html. To make it work correctly for XHTML strict, you should change each tag name to lowercase. Its a trivial change. There's little point for authors to use that stylesheet, it is intended as a guide for browser implementors and was supposedly based on the default styles applied by browsers at the time. (Although there are still many differences between that stylesheet and real world browsers) -- Lachlan Hunt http://lachy.id.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Paul Novitski wrote: Wouldn't activating the link in a screen-reader simply move the cursor (reading point) from the link to the beginning of the page? It's been a while since I've sat down with a screen reader, but from my limited experience with JAWS the link would be announced as a same page link (or similar) and activating it would indeed move the cursor/caret/focus to the top, as expected. P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Hey Drew, Well, I tried min-width 300px and then removed the min-width completely and it still didnt work :/ Barrie From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Drew Trusz Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 2:22 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Barrie North wrote: Hi all, I have a fluid layout and for the life of me can't get the image to be cropped as the screen adjusts. Here is the link: http://www.compassdesigns.net/joomlashack/ If you resize the window the image will stay on top. I have played with z-index, overflow:hidden. I can't for the life of me get this to work. Anyone fancy jumping in and pointing out the obvious thing I am missing J ? Barrie North You've set the wrapper at min-width of 760px. The containing box for the image won't be in overflow condition at lesser widths. drew
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On 12/21/05, Barrie North [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Drew, Well, I tried min-width 300px and then removed the min-width completely and it still didn't work :/ Barrie That's what I get for not trying the solution before profoundly pronouncing it. This one is better. If I remove the absolute positioning of the #headerbanner the headerimg clips. I didn't take all the images just the headerimg. There is still a scroll bar but the img clips. Haven't played with min-max or other absolutes to see if that affects the scroll. drew
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On 12/21/05, Barrie North [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Drew, Well, I tried min-width 300px and then removed the min-width completely and it still didn't work :/ Barrie Only way I was able to eliminate the scroll is to make the headerimg a background image (as someone previously suggested). The image has a width so when it is used in the foreground that width becomes the minimum width the page can be reduced to. A page will only shrink to the size of the smallest irreducible element -- the headerimg in this case. You can see how this works by taking out the wrapper width and then seeing where the scroll starts. If your eyes and sense of proportion are better than mine, you can see this even with the wrapper width left in place.
Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
2005/10/19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Original message sent on the Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:29:49 1000 by wsg@webstandardsgroup.org ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** In evidence piece of your code containig images element definition div id=banner_main img src=/_resource/image/banner_main01.gif alt= width=172 height=112 img src=/_resource/image/banner_main02.jpg alt= width=551 height=112 /div div id=banner_secondary img src=/_resource/image/banner_secondary01.gif alt= width=364 height=116 img src=/_resource/image/banner_secondary02.gif alt= width=359 height=116 /div Right, IMHO in this case you don't need 2 division so what happen if you close all the four images in the same division ? Give a me a feedback Regards Morpheus ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** hmm I'm not sure what are you talking about?! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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On 10/15/05, Stefan wrote:
How can I make the Table fill the full width of the column in FireFox and
IE 6?
same thing happened to me with that type of layout.
I added the following rules to the tables and it sorted it for me:
table {width:100%;float:left}
cheers,
pete
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Accesskeys (Was RE: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org)
Josh Rose wrote: What I'm trying to do is have the accesskey underlined, it works fine in Firefox and Opera (wayhey), but in IE 6 the a:first-letter works fine, but a:hover doesn't at all (it does without a:first-letter though) and in Netscape 7 the a:first-letter doesn't work at all (just netscapes css support?) but a:hover does. Phew. The CSS is probably a bit bulky, but go easy on me, I'm newish to this. Any ideas? If at all possible I'd like to avoid CSS hacks. Thanks, Josh. En Francais eh? Bienvenue! Josh, Accesskeys? May I suggest you review the following? Using Accesskeys - Is it worth it?: http://www.wats.ca/articles/accesskeys/19 More reasons why we don't use accesskeys: http://www.wats.ca/articles/accesskeyconflicts/37 Accesskeys and Reserved Keystroke Combinations: http://www.wats.ca/resources/accesskeysandkeystrokes/38 Link Relationships as an Alternative to Accesskeys: http://www.wats.ca/articles/accesskeyalternatives/52 The Future of Accesskeys: http://www.wats.ca/articles/thefutureofaccesskeys/66 Perhaps after reviewing these, you may consider eliminating them entirely, making your quest a moot point. Cheers! JF -- John Foliot [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Accessibility Specialist / Co-founder of WATS.ca Web Accessibility Testing and Services http://www.wats.ca Phone: 1-613-482-7053 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Hope that made sense, nup. youre definately going to have to show us an example. if you havent got a liveexample to show, make a really simple example by stripping out everything else and just include some html css within your post. help us to help you! :) On 7/21/05, Josh Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Does anyone know how to get rid of whitespace at the bottom of the page when using relative positioning on a page that has more than 1 column? Hope that made sense, Josh. Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail
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Hi, just do this. Send an email from your subscribed account to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with set mode digest wsg (no quotes) as the BODY (not subject) and it will be so. And you will just receive one email every few days or so containing every mail. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still keep getting these digest emails even though I unsubscribed. Please take me off your list. Thank you. Jim Trick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 14, October, 2004 13:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: digest for [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST If you have suddenly been thrown into digest mode and don't know why, it's because your address was bouncing for at least 5 posts. To revert to a standard subscription, please send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Set mode standard wsg (no quotes) in the body of the message. To unsubscribe, please log into the website and select Unsubscribe from the members home page. You can reach Russ and Peter the list managers at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than WSG Digest There are some problems with the Digest version. Our apologies for this. It is the way that SmarterMail handles it so that HTML email and attachments are not put into the digest as source code. We are talking with the software developers about this. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Brian Grimmer posted -- gt;Personally, though I prefer the idea of a forum, the biggest issue I have gt;with an e-mail list is the twits that do not know how to set up an gt;auto-responder properly. I also prefer the idea of a forum instead of such a high volume list. I don't have time to check this list daily, and because of this often find that I've received 170+ emails from this list in a matter of a couple of days. Quite often the majority of that is people asking for help, which is fine, in fact it's great that ppl want to extend their knowledge, but it creates a massive amount of posts and replies that the majority *probably* aren't interested in. Moving the list to a forum would allow members who are only interested in the more theoretical discussions and discussions about furthering the cause of web standards to view only that part of the forum and not have to wade through pages of Does this work? posts. Personally, I joined this list in the hope of reading and participating in more theoretical discussion. It's not that I don't want to help people, i do, but I already do enough of that at codingforums.com... Peter, Russ, please don't take this as another whinge, it is merely a little bit of observation thrown in with a hell of a lot of opinion. Andrew Krespanis. _ What's your house worth? Click here to find out: http://www.ninemsn.realestate.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
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Andrew Krespanis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Personally, I joined this list in the hope of reading and participating in more theoretical discussion. It's not that I don't want to help people, i do, but I already do enough of that at codingforums.com... While I can perfectly understand this, there are also those unlucky souls such as me who were forced (so to speak) to subscribe to WSG because Westciv's CSS-Foundations list is closing down. Westciv was strongly encouraging us to move over to WSG. Personally, I have no particular interest in discussing theoretical issues regarding web standards; if someone can steer me to a list better suited to dealing with the more practical issues of using CSS, I would be grateful. - Michael Michael J. Hußmann E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW (personal): http://michael-hussmann.de WWW (professional): http://digicam-experts.de * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
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On 23/05/2004, at 10:23 PM, Michael J. Hußmann wrote: Personally, I have no particular interest in discussing theoretical issues regarding web standards; if someone can steer me to a list better suited to dealing with the more practical issues of using CSS, I would be grateful. see http://www.CSS-Discuss.org --- Justin French http://indent.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
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Does 'CSS-Discuss' consider validation a theoretical issue? Justin French wrote: On 23/05/2004, at 10:23 PM, Michael J. Hußmann wrote: Personally, I have no particular interest in discussing theoretical issues regarding web standards; if someone can steer me to a list better suited to dealing with the more practical issues of using CSS, I would be grateful. see http://www.CSS-Discuss.org --- Justin French http://indent.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
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On 23/05/2004, at 11:37 PM, noa wrote: Does 'CSS-Discuss' consider validation a theoretical issue? While I dislike all this meta discussion - in my opinion, if you don't like the format of the list, there are plenty of other resources available in alternative formats, so you'd be better investigating the other options than clogging the list with off-topic meta discussion - I have to chime in here. css-discuss is a great list, but it is insanely high volume and if you think this list is strict, wait til you see the responses to off-topic posts there. Thanks Russ and Peter, this is a great resource, and I'm going to shut up now. -- Kay Smoljak http://developer.perthweb.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
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I'm opposed to forking the list. I second j.neen's suggestion for a tread-based forum. This list is threaded.. http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg%40webstandardsgroup.org/ That is how my mail reader displays it it too. Maybe you could try mail software which threads. Also, I prefer an RSS feed of the thread as my way to review. The RSS format is not threaded its flat? chris * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
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Personally, though I prefer the idea of a forum, the biggest issue I have with an e-mail list is the twits that do not know how to set up an auto-responder properly. If ANYTHING is a waste of bandwidth, that is. I am sure the list could care a less if your off for a few days tinkering for whatever reason in your personal closet. It is this same issue that is seriously making me reconsider the groups value overall. Brian Grimmer theGrafixGuy http://www.thegrafixguy.com 503-887-4943 925-226-4085 (fax) This reply to your initial e-mail is sent in accordance with the US CAN-SPAM Law in effect 01/01/2004. Removal requests can be sent to this address and will be honored and respected. -Original Message- From: Chris Bentley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 6:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Re: digest for [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm opposed to forking the list. I second j.neen's suggestion for a tread-based forum. This list is threaded.. http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg%40webstandardsgroup.org/ That is how my mail reader displays it it too. Maybe you could try mail software which threads. Also, I prefer an RSS feed of the thread as my way to review. The RSS format is not threaded its flat? chris * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
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I agree. I actually tried to unsubscribe from the list so I could just view the list archive at my leisure. But if you unsubscribe the page reads: _ |_| Yes. Remove me from the mailing list and delete my membership. I did not want my membership revoked, I just can't weed through 100+ emails every day. Also, you can't see the list archive unless you are on the list. Maybe have 3 or 4 lists with a focus such as XHTML, CSS, general, etc... Or a way to be a member without being on the list would be great as well. Terry -Original Message- Hi Guys, I've noticed that this list has grown and grown and has gotten too big to be read on a daily basis. I was wondering if there's any consideration of maybe splitting the listing into a handful of different topics and then allowing members to subscribe to one or more specific topics. So if my interest right now is CSS I could subscribe to that topic. Related, I've heard that the CSS-foundations list will be joining this one. These daily emails can only get bigger. Just some thoughts, Thanks for all the great comments help and community, Chris Rizzo * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
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On 21/05/2004, at 12:36 PM, jneen wrote: my five cents worth I would prefer to see a more typical thread based web forum where I just sign in and can read at my leisure. Any posts made by me should list my login name and I think that only member's should be able to post. I also find the number of emails I am getting harder to digest and would prefer a thread based approach so that I can see all replies on a given topic in one hit. Get a better email client -- threading of emails based on the subject and other headers has been possible in email programs as far back as my very first email in about '96 or '97 I guess. Seriously, threading in email is pretty standard stuff. 1. Set up a new folder / mail box for all the WSG email. 2. Set-up a filter/rule to make sure all email with the subject [WSG] get pushed into your new folder 3. When viewing the WSG folder, make sure you're viewing the emails in a threaded view. If your email program doesn't support threading, get one that does! Judging by your headers, you're using Thunderbird, so all should okay there. Want to be even more productive? 4. Flag the threads you're interested in so it's easy for you to scan for topics of interest. 5. Set up your mail client to only show threads with new messages, so that the WSG folder is a lot less cluttered. Now you have a system which is FAR more productive than a clunky forum could ever be. You can download all messages for viewing offline (on the train in the morning?), you can do a full text search via your mail client (again, offline), you can have instant and reliable private messages, and you can keep track of all your post all via a very fast email client, rather than a slow web based forum. If you want a forum, then why did you join a mailing list? There are plenty of such forums already in existence on the web -- we certainly don't need another one here. Email is fast, clean, free from bloat, and allows me to quickly keep on eye on the mailing list whilst working -- a lot harder to do with a web-based forum. --- Justin French http://indent.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
