Re: [WSG] Interview markup?

[Michael Nelson]

Yeah, good point Lea. From your link: "Another application of DL, for
example, is for marking up dialogues, with each DT naming a speaker, and
each DD containing his or her words."

That makes (meaningful) sense - the definition term being the speaker
and the description being what the speaker said - and seems much more
inline with the structure/meaning that a definition list implies. It
also provides the extra meaning within the markup itself - identifying
the speaker for each item. 

I'd thought people were talking about using dt/dd to separate the
question from the answer (which is quite different, yet seems to be how
it is often used).

Thanks for the correction Lea!

-Michael

On Sun, 2004-09-05 at 16:12, Lea de Groot wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 14:53:46 +1000, Michael Nelson wrote:
> > I mean, a definition list is really for definitions
> 
> No, I don't agree.
> The W3C docs site two example uses:
> - a standard term and definition usage, and
> - marking up dialogues.
> see http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/lists.html#h-10.3



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[WSG] the cost of Unicode

[Clytie Siddall]

Hi guys :)
On 05/09/2004, at 4:53 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
For an editor you may want to check out BBEdit 8. It touts full 
support for Unicode.
Thanks for the greeting, Hugh, and for the tip about BBEdit, which 
didn't support Unicode fully before, so it looks like my pleas to 
BareBones may have occurred at a good time. Unfortunately, I can't 
afford that much. I really wonder about the expensive programs: 
wouldn't the developers do better by charging less, but thus attracting 
more users? I'm a keen shareware supporter: it seems to work there.

I've just made a major purchase, for me, in StyleMaster. The bank 
balance will be complaining for a while.

Ah well ... back to the quest.
(But don't ask me any technical questions about Unicode!)
Oh, c'mon – not even one really sneaky one?  :D
from Clytie, counting her pennies (it didn't take long :)  )
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[WSG] Recap of free briefing for Education and Government

[russ - maxdesign]

Last Thursday night was our " Adopting Web Standards - Free briefing for
Education and Government".

It was a highly successful night with almost 100 education and government
developers in attendance.

Roger Hudson presented "Universal Accessibility" - with some very
interesting demonstrations. His notes (which do not do justice to the great
presentation) are here:
http://we04.com/resources/accessibility/

Dean Jackson from the W3C spoke about Web Standards in Education and
Government. His notes are here:
http://www.w3.org/2004/Talks/dj-we04-edugov/

A more detailed recap here:
http://we04.com/blog/archives/90.htm

Thanks
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Re: [WSG] scroll inside a page

[Daniela Hoffmann]

Hi Ted, Ryan, Jeffery an Peter,
everything works fine now.
I didn't try this this 'overflow:scroll' 
yet, but I'll keep it in mind if I want a mainpage-scroll look like an 
inner scroll 'cause I guess here one can style them together via CSS. And 
http://www.shauninman.com/mentary/past/ifr_revisited_and_revisedphp is 
great for horizontal inner scrolls when I need them.
My solution for now I found in the answer from 
Jeffery Lowder [Re: Links to Anchors in scrolling Divs, 31-08-2004] on 

http://www.squidfingers.com/code/dhtml/?id=divscroller2 , 
here you can use images for the scroll and have links for different 
scroll-units on the same page which I found a good idea to add (great 
script!).
And Peter, I'll dive into this later, I've tryed 
the validation and most errors are the missing ALT-tags on images (and all my 
'margin's - why's that?!), and I must admit I never really thought of blind 
people...
Thanks for all,
Dani
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Ted Drake 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 5:19 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [WSG] scroll inside a 
  page
  
  Hi 
  Dani
  The 
  easiest approach is putting your information in a div and then setting it to 
  add scroll bars when the data overflows.  I believe it is 
  overflow:scroll. I'm doing this off the top of my head and it could be auto or 
  another setting.  You could also use css to style the scroll bar.  
  What you have is clean looking, almost flash-like.  I'm sure there is a 
  cross-browser _javascript_ that will do a similar job.
  Ted
   
  Thorsten 
  wrote: you can use "overflow:auto;" on a div which results in scroll bars being
added as soon as the contained text/content gets too longthe proprietary scroll bar stuff one of the other posters mentioned is
colouring the scroll bars themselves, i believe, not "overflow:;".
   
  
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 
5:06 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [WSG] 
scroll inside a page
Hi all,
 
I'm new to this group and all I 
know about webstandards is that if you follow them, it makes your site 
better browser-compatible.
And that's my problem: In my site http://home.uva.nl/daniela/new/ in 
the page http://home.uva.nl/daniela/new/contact.htm I use some 
_javascript_ for a scroll inside the page that only works in Microsoft IE. 
How kan I check my sites about how far they 
(don't!) meet these standards, and does anyone know 
a browser-compatible solution for such a scroll?
 
Thanks, guess I'm a humble 
beginner...
Dani

[WSG] When to start?

[Dylan Egan]

Hi,
I was wondering what would be the best time to start using XForms? 
Thankfully IBM and Novell are lending a hand to Mozilla to get XForms 
into the core and I hope this isn't a long development process.

I am unsure as to what I should limit myself to in terms of standards 
compliance and semantic markup. I am working on a project with a few 
people and they're sort of wanting to make a partial living out of it, 
whereas im in it for the coding and this is stopping me from adopting 
XForms straight into the framework because of their potential customers 
being a mass IE user base. I know there are a few plugins around for IE, 
but should I really worry if IE doesn't support something that is, in my 
mind, wonderful for the internet?

Im just thankful I could convince the designers to use XML/XSLT on the 
template side, which allows us to add more portability to the software.

Anyways, just checking in to see if anyone is adopting XForms at this 
moment, going with Web Forms 2.0, or going to just force themselves to 
adopt MS technologies.

Regards,
Dylan.
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Re: [WSG] web essentials briefing/ westciv CSS Guide

[Kay Smoljak]

On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 19:43:36 +1000, Hugh Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > If you're based in Oz however you'd be a fool to miss it.
> 
> Why, though? The calibre of the people looks fantastic, but would it be
> worth spending $750 to see them?

I really, really, really, REALLY wish I could go, but making the trip
across the Nullabor is just not possible this year (moving into our
new house in three weeks time).

The calibre of speakers looks great, and from my experiences attending
MXDU these past two years, a major part of attending conferences like
these is the social and networking aspect. Where else will you get to
hang out with html geeks, standards nazis and css heads? You can learn
stuff just by osmosis.

Yet another reason to support conferences like these is to encourage
the industry to hold more.

Damn, I *so* wish I could go!

K.

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[WSG] www.meetup.com launches standards compliant site

[Neerav]

the css for www.meetup.com is valid and except for a few small quibbles 
the xhtml is valid too

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[WSG] Fake link, All JS, or CSS+Conditional Comments?

[Mordechai Peller]

I'm building an expanding menu and I'm trying to decide the best route 
to take. The idea is that by clicking on an item it will either be a 
link or open the sub-menu. The problem come in for the sub-menu headings 
and IE's lack of support for :hover. So here are the options:

1) Heading;
2) Heading and use JavaScript mouse-overs; or
3) Heading, CSS :hover, and feed JavaScript to IE via 
Conditional Comments?

The onclicks will be added through scripting and the close effect will 
be through CSS.

As I see it, 1) is non-semantic mark-up, 2) is mixing presentation with 
behavior, and 3) is a kludge. I'm thinking of going with 1) is it isn't 
totally without semantic value. On the other hand, 3) it tempting since 
it starts with proper separation, even though it uses a hack (though a 
relatively safe one).

If JavaScript isn't available the menus will either default to all open 
or use PHP.

So, what are your thought?
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[WSG] Empty DT's?

[Mordechai Peller]

Related to my last thread (Fake link,...), I'm debating which is the 
better choice: using a consistent framework, but have an (usually) empty 
dt, or use a ul for the top level? Here's what the code would look like:

*
   
   Opt1
   
   
   Sub-Menu Heading Opt2
   Opt2a
   
   
   Sub-Menu Heading Opt2b
   Opt2b1
   Opt2b2
   
   
   **Opt2c**
   
   
   <**a href="opt1.html">Opt1**

The dt's are the headings and the dd's are the links. Very consistent 
and very semantic (except for the first empty dt). It may even simplify 
scripting because it's consistent.

The alternative is to use a ul for the top level:

   **Opt1**
   
   
   **Sub-Menu Heading Opt2
   **Opt2a**
etc...
In**consistent**, but no empty dt's.
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Re: [WSG] Fake link, All JS, or CSS+Conditional Comments?

[Kristof Neirynck]

On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 16:24:09 +0200, Mordechai Peller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm building an expanding menu and I'm trying to decide the best route
> to take. The idea is that by clicking on an item it will either be a
[snip]
> If JavaScript isn't available the menus will either default to all open
> or use PHP.

You've got php, right?
Create the menu as nested unordered lists.
Add a class to the current menu and have its submenu be visible with css.
#nav li ul{display: none;}
#nav li.current ul{display: block;}

The "heading" links should be normal links.


If you don't have any pages that represent the top level in your menu
you can still inform your server about the click.
contact heading

You can add javascript if you don't want to make people with javascript wait.
Add event handlers onload and make them change the classname of the li
to "open" or something like that.
Then add this to your css:
#nav li.open ul{display: block;}


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Re: [WSG] Browsing without images

[James Denholm-Price]

On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 14:16:26 +0100, Patrick H. Lauke
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You just realised it, but this has been a huge part of the whole image
> replacement discussion from the beginning.
> http://www.google.com/search?q=accessibility+image+replacement+css
> No, there's no way to test if images are turned off. 

If I read it correctly Peter-Paul Koch's DOM-based "FIR" does:


Neat -- loads a test image into the DOM and only does the
image-replacement once that's loaded. Dunno if the assumption about
screen readers not loading images is correct, though...

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[WSG] Z-Index in IE - Got a problem need help

[Jay Hills]

Hello,
 
After reading DWWS (Zeldman) and fiddling around with some DOM 
script, I've got a series of tabs which when clicked reveal a menu underneath, 
using toggling of the CSS display element. (display: 
none; and display: ; is toggled).
 
I used Z-index 1 for the tab, and Z-index 2 for the content, 
so that the content will be above the tab and the content background will 
overlap the bottom of the tab for that "extending effect". 
 
You can use Mozilla/Firefox/Opera to see what I mean at http://www.ikonik.net/2/. It works in 
Internet Explorer but the tabs 'flicker'. Is this a problem with the Z-index in 
IE or have I done something else wrong with my CSS? link: http://www.ikonik.net/2/css/visual.css.
 
Any help would be appreciated, thanks in advance.
 



Snippets:
CSS:
 
 #features .sidecontent { background: 
url(../img/iko/sdmid.gif) repeat-y bottom center; z-index: 
2; position: relative; margin-top: -15px; padding: 
5px 10px 10px;
}  #features h2 
{ z-index: 1; margin-top: 5; margin-left: 
0; margin-bottom: 0px; width: 
195px; background-color: #FFF; color: #666; position: 
relative;
 
XHTML:
 
       
     
  
    Tech and 
Web    Art and 
Design    
Thoughts and Life  
    

 



Thanks again, it's probably something real silly but I can't 
work it out. I only have a flicker problem in IE.
 
Jay S Hills
www.ikonik.net

Re: [WSG] Browsing without images

[Patrick H. Lauke]

James Denholm-Price wrote:
 Dunno if the assumption about
screen readers not loading images is correct, though...
The main mistake in that article is that, for the most part, "screen 
readers" don't do anything on their own. They're pieces of software 
which run on top of the normal operating system. To browse the web, a 
blind person uses IE, Firefox or whatever, with screen reader software 
interpreting the output of said browser. Therefore, it's not about 
whether screen readers load images...it's about the browser that the 
user is running.

(caveat: there are older pieces of software, not completely "screen 
readers" but more like custom "talking browsers", which can behave 
differently...but they're certainly the exception)

I'm not particularly fond of PPK's solution, as it only allows for two 
scenarios: CSS+javascript - to get nice image replacement - or bare 
bones text. No middle ground for "just CSS".

As I said, the safest option are those techniques that "cover" the 
original text with an image, without hiding the underlying text via 
visibility:hidden, display:none or text-indent:-1000em or whatever.

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Re: [WSG] Fake link, All JS, or CSS+Conditional Comments?

[Mordechai Peller]

Kristof Neirynck wrote:
You've got php, right?
 

Sorry, but your answer is irrelevant as it completely ignores my 
question. I wasn't asking "HOW" to make it work. I am already skilled in 
CSS, JavaScript, and PHP and the methods suggested by the evolt article 
are good for a beginner, but I find them flawed as they mix the behavior 
and semantic layers. My question was since IE doesn't understand the 
proper way, where presentation, semantics, and behavior are all properly 
separated (I think :hover is proper in the presentational layer as the 
behavior is already separated, but instead of through scripting, it's 
built in to the browser), which work-around is the least "evil"? In 
truth, I'm not looking for an answer, for I'm not sure there even is a 
"right" answer; what I am looking for are opinions. In the end I'll make 
my own decision, but with the help of other opinions I hope to make a 
better decision.

Thanks anyway, though.
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[WSG] Z-Index in IE - Got a problem need help

[Jay Hills]

Hello,

After reading DWWS (Zeldman) and fiddling around with some DOM script, I've
got a series of tabs which when clicked reveal a menu underneath, using
toggling of the CSS display element. (display: none; and display: ; is
toggled).

I used Z-index 1 for the tab, and Z-index 2 for the content, so that the
content will be above the tab and the content background will overlap the
bottom of the tab for that "extending effect".

You can use Mozilla/Firefox/Opera to see what I mean at
http://www.ikonik.net/2/. It works in Internet Explorer but the tabs
'flicker'. Is this a problem with the Z-index in IE or have I done something
else wrong with my CSS? link: http://www.ikonik.net/2/css/visual.css.

Any help would be appreciated, thanks in advance.



---

Snippets:
CSS:

 #features .sidecontent {
 background: url(../img/iko/sdmid.gif) repeat-y bottom center;
 z-index: 2;
 position: relative;
 margin-top: -15px;
 padding: 5px 10px 10px;
}

#features h2 {
 z-index: 1;
 margin-top: 5;
 margin-left: 0;
 margin-bottom: 0px;
 width: 195px;
 background-color: #FFF;
 color: #666;
 position: relative;

XHTML:

  


  
Tech and Web
Art and Design
Thoughts and Life
  





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Thanks again, it's probably something real silly but I can't work it out. I
only have a flicker problem in IE.

Jay S Hills
www.ikonik.net

ps. For some reason 'MDaemon' (daemonite.net?) puts me down as spam so I can
never submit to this list usually.

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RE: [WSG] Anyone know of any good DOM tutorials?

[Seona Bellamy]

Hi Michael,

No, :hover isn't an option since what I want to do is have stuff hidden when
you print it. I'm using Zeldman's "toggle" script, and I want to set it up
so that only expanded items will print (at the moment the headings of
non-expanded items also prints, so that you get a lot of wasted paper). It's
in a reports section, so logically a person printing the page is only
interested in the section they've expanded.

So we have something like:


  CategoryName1
  

  SubcategoryName1
  

  SectionName1
  

  ItemName1

  

  

  
  CategoryName2
  

  SubcategoryName2
  

  SectionName2
  

  ItemName2

  

  

  


This is a cutdown version of the code for the page, taking out all of the
other details that show along with the ItemName, as well as the code for the
looping (I've pasted in two sets instead, just to give the idea), but it
shows the essential format. What I want is that if only the top set is
expanded, CategoryName2 will not actually print at all. So when a link is
clicked, as well as toggling the referred ID to visible, it will set the
class of the parent element from "noPrint" to "Print".

Is that something that can be done? How do you isolate the parent element to
do something to it?



Seona.

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> Sent: Saturday, 4 September 2004 8:45 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Anyone know of any good DOM tutorials?
> 
> 
> Seona,
> 
> Is there good reason not to use CSS psuedo classes such as :hover etc?
> (http://www.htmldog.com/guides/cssintermediate/pseudoclasses/)
> 
> I guess you're doing something more complex than the example below...
> 
> On Sat, 2004-09-04 at 08:28, Michael Nelson wrote:
> > Hmm... not sure about a tutorial, but adapting Patrick Griffaths DOM
> > example for avoiding email spam at
> > http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/archives/63.php
> > 
> > would give something like:
> > 
> > function changeClass(id, newclass){
> > 
> >   elementToChange = document.getElementById(id);
> >   elementToChange.setAttribute("class", newclass);
> >   
> > }
> > 
> > Then you'd need to associate this function with the element/event that
> > you want to use... such as:
> > 
> > document.getElementById("myMenuItem").onmouseover = function(){
> > changeClass("myMenuItem", "thenewclassname")}
> > 
> > Actually, with the last bit I'm not too sure whether I'm mixing my old
> > JS habits with proper DOM coding... perhaps someone more knowledgable
> > can check it when they read this!
> > 
> > Hope it helps!
> > -Michael.
> > 
> > On Sat, 2004-09-04 at 07:42, Seona Bellamy wrote:
> > > Hi guys,
> > > 
> > > Anyone know where I can find a good, easy to follow online 
> tutorial on using
> > > the DOM to control elements on a webpage? Specifically, I 
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Re: [WSG] Z-Index in IE - Got a problem need help

[Peter Asquith]

Jay Hills wrote:
You can use Mozilla/Firefox/Opera to see what I mean at
http://www.ikonik.net/2/. It works in Internet Explorer but the tabs
'flicker'. Is this a problem with the Z-index in IE or have I done something
else wrong with my CSS? link: http://www.ikonik.net/2/css/visual.css.
Hi Jay
Once you've dropped down a .sidecontent menu, in IE6, if you click 
elsewhere on the page, the hidden element leaps to the top of the 
z-order. I think the problem arises from using margins to effect the 
overlap. Additionally, due to the order of execution, this is also 
responsible for the flicker.

If you use the actual positioning of the .sidecontent elements (say, 
top: -25px;) instead of deflating the margin then the strange effects in 
IE go away.

I've created a mock up at http://www.wasabicube.com/test/testover.html 
which demonstrates this working.

Cheers
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Re: [WSG] Z-Index in IE - Got a problem need help

[Jay Hills]

- Original Message -
From: "Peter Asquith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Z-Index in IE - Got a problem need help

> Hi Jay
>
> Once you've dropped down a .sidecontent menu, in IE6, if you click
> elsewhere on the page, the hidden element leaps to the top of the
> z-order. I think the problem arises from using margins to effect the
> overlap. Additionally, due to the order of execution, this is also
> responsible for the flicker.
>
> If you use the actual positioning of the .sidecontent elements (say,
> top: -25px;) instead of deflating the margin then the strange effects in
> IE go away.
>
> I've created a mock up at http://www.wasabicube.com/test/testover.html
> which demonstrates this working.
>
> Cheers
> Peter


Ah! That solved the problem perfectly! I knew it was something very simple
which I'd overlooked. Thanks a bunch.

Jay S Hills

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RE: [WSG] Anyone know of any good DOM tutorials?

[Lee Roberts]

Why not simply set up your Print CSS file to print only
the main content?  If the person is only after that
information everything else is a waste of paper.

Everyone always tries to find fancy ways to do simply
tasks.  Shame.

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> Subject:  RE: [WSG] Anyone know of any good DOM
> tutorials?
> 
> Hi Michael,
> 
> No, :hover isn't an option since what I want to do is
> have stuff hidden when you print it. I'm using Zeldman's
> "toggle" script, and I want to set it up so that only
> expanded items will print (at the moment the headings of
> non-expanded items also prints, so that you get a lot of
> wasted paper). It's in a reports section, so logically a
> person printing the page is only interested in the
> section they've expanded.
> 
> So we have something like:
> 
> 
>onKeyPress="toggle(1)">CategoryName1
>   
> 
>onclick="toggle(2)"
> onKeyPress="toggle(2)">SubcategoryName1
>   
> 
>onclick="toggle(3)"
> onKeyPress="toggle(3)">SectionName1
>   
> 
>   ItemName1
> 
>   
> 
>   
> 
>   
>onKeyPress="toggle(4)">CategoryName2
>   
> 
>onclick="toggle(5)"
> onKeyPress="toggle(5)">SubcategoryName2
>   
> 
>onclick="toggle(6)"
> onKeyPress="toggle(6)">SectionName2
>   
> 
>   ItemName2
> 
>   
> 
>   
> 
>   
> 
> 
> This is a cutdown version of the code for the page,
> taking out all of the other details that show along with
> the ItemName, as well as the code for the looping (I've
> pasted in two sets instead, just to give the idea), but
> it shows the essential format. What I want is that if
> only the top set is expanded, CategoryName2 will not
> actually print at all. So when a link is clicked, as
> well as toggling the referred ID to visible, it will set
> the class of the parent element from "noPrint" to
> "Print".
> 
> Is that something that can be done? How do you isolate
> the parent element to do something to it?
> 
> 
> 
> Seona.
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Re: [WSG] When to start?

[Justin French]

Dylan,
If you have no worries about shunting out a massive percentage of IE 
(and other browser) users to adopt a new technology with very little 
support, then go for it.

Yes, that's sarcasm.
You haven't told us what sort of site it is, but there ARE 
circumstances where this would be fine (if you could guarantee browser 
support via plug-ins or browser choice, like a corporate intranet), and 
there are some sites that could get away with forcing tight browser 
restrictions (like a site just for your small circle of friends, all of 
which have the necessary browser requirements).

But the reality is that any site aimed at the general public needs to 
cater for the widest possible user base, without requirement of obscure 
plug-ins or edge browsers.

Justin

On 05/09/2004, at 7:37 PM, Dylan Egan wrote:
Hi,
I was wondering what would be the best time to start using XForms? 
Thankfully IBM and Novell are lending a hand to Mozilla to get XForms 
into the core and I hope this isn't a long development process.

I am unsure as to what I should limit myself to in terms of standards 
compliance and semantic markup. I am working on a project with a few 
people and they're sort of wanting to make a partial living out of it, 
whereas im in it for the coding and this is stopping me from adopting 
XForms straight into the framework because of their potential 
customers being a mass IE user base. I know there are a few plugins 
around for IE, but should I really worry if IE doesn't support 
something that is, in my mind, wonderful for the internet?

Im just thankful I could convince the designers to use XML/XSLT on the 
template side, which allows us to add more portability to the 
software.

Anyways, just checking in to see if anyone is adopting XForms at this 
moment, going with Web Forms 2.0, or going to just force themselves to 
adopt MS technologies.

Regards,
Dylan.

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[WSG] Brisbane Meeting, Wednesday

[Lea de Groot]

Wednesday 8 September (2 days from now) sees the Brisbane September 
meeting.

We are proud to have John Allsopp (WestCiv - well known for 
Stylemaster) who will give a presentation entitled "HTML, XHTML, 
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[WSG] CSS for a map?

[Mkear]

Has anyone used CSS to do colour changes over areas in a map?   Is
that a practical way to do it? I have a prospective client who wants
a map of a subdivision he's doing and wants to have the housing blocks
coloured differently depending on sale status, availability etc, and to
change colour when you roll the mouse over it.   I was thinking of
setting the inital state of the area based on a dynamic value pulled from
the database (i.e sold, available, holding deposit) and with hover state for
the mouseover.  Is it a practical thing to be thinking about
CSS for this, given that the areas aren't rectangular?Or can anyone
think  of a better way to do it?   (My intial thought was to
use flash but we've crossed that idea off for a number of
reasons)CheersMike KearAFP WebworksWindsor, NSW,
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[WSG] Horizontal Scroll

[Richard Czeiger]

Hiya  :o)

CSS Question here:
How do I get a horizontal scroll bar in a  but NOT a vertical scroll
bar?

Cheers,
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Re: [WSG] Brisbane Meeting, Wednesday

[John Allsopp]

Lea,
can I just say I am very much looking forward to being there.
But just one slightly off topic question for any who lives in Brisbane 
or travel there frequently (please answer offlist)

What's the best way to get from the airport to the CBD. Taxi? Bus? 
Other?

Thanks, and see you in Brisbane Weds night,
John
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Re: [WSG] CSS for a map?

[James Cowperthwaite]

Hi Mike - a while ago we did this site,

http://www.waterviewridge.com.au/

specifically this bit:
http://www.waterviewridge.com.au/waterviewridge/index.cfm?pageID=0&stage=1

which uses css to dynamically place 'sold' images over a map once they
have been, err, sold.

Is that the kind of thing you mean?

James

On Mon, 2004-09-06 at 09:33, Mkear wrote:
> Has anyone used CSS to do colour changes over areas in a map?   Is
> that a practical way to do it? 
> 
> I have a prospective client who wants a map of a subdivision he's
> doing and wants to have the housing blocks coloured differently
> depending on sale status, availability etc, and to change colour when
> you roll the mouse over it.   I was thinking of setting the inital
> state of the area based on a dynamic value pulled from the database
> (i.e sold, available, holding deposit) and with hover state for the
> mouseover.  
> 
> Is it a practical thing to be thinking about CSS for this, given that
> the areas aren't rectangular?
> 
> Or can anyone think  of a better way to do it?   (My intial thought
> was to use flash but we've crossed that idea off for a number of
> reasons)
> 
> Cheers
> Mike Kear
> AFP Webworks
> Windsor, NSW, Australia . 
> 
> 
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Re: [WSG] CSS for a map?

[Joseph Lindsay]

Try something like this: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/sprites/


On 06 Sep 2004 15:57:09 +1000, James Cowperthwaite
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Mike - a while ago we did this site,
> 
> http://www.waterviewridge.com.au/
> 
> specifically this bit:
> http://www.waterviewridge.com.au/waterviewridge/index.cfm?pageID=0&stage=1
> 
> which uses css to dynamically place 'sold' images over a map once they
> have been, err, sold.
> 
> Is that the kind of thing you mean?
> 
> James
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2004-09-06 at 09:33, Mkear wrote:
> > Has anyone used CSS to do colour changes over areas in a map?   Is
> > that a practical way to do it?
> >
> > I have a prospective client who wants a map of a subdivision he's
> > doing and wants to have the housing blocks coloured differently
> > depending on sale status, availability etc, and to change colour when
> > you roll the mouse over it.   I was thinking of setting the inital
> > state of the area based on a dynamic value pulled from the database
> > (i.e sold, available, holding deposit) and with hover state for the
> > mouseover.
> >
> > Is it a practical thing to be thinking about CSS for this, given that
> > the areas aren't rectangular?
> >
> > Or can anyone think  of a better way to do it?   (My intial thought
> > was to use flash but we've crossed that idea off for a number of
> > reasons)
> >
> > Cheers
> > Mike Kear
> > AFP Webworks
> > Windsor, NSW, Australia .
> >
> >
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Re: [WSG] CSS for a map?

[Jason Rough]

Hi Mike,

Have a look a http://www.alistapart.com/articles/sprites/

Down the bottom of the article there is a section on irregular shapes.
 They explain it better than I can but it still does use rectangles as
the basic hover area.

Cheers,

Jason


On 06 Sep 2004 15:57:09 +1000, James Cowperthwaite
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Mike - a while ago we did this site,
> 
> http://www.waterviewridge.com.au/
> 
> specifically this bit:
> http://www.waterviewridge.com.au/waterviewridge/index.cfm?pageID=0&stage=1
> 
> which uses css to dynamically place 'sold' images over a map once they
> have been, err, sold.
> 
> Is that the kind of thing you mean?
> 
> James
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2004-09-06 at 09:33, Mkear wrote:
> > Has anyone used CSS to do colour changes over areas in a map?   Is
> > that a practical way to do it?
> >
> > I have a prospective client who wants a map of a subdivision he's
> > doing and wants to have the housing blocks coloured differently
> > depending on sale status, availability etc, and to change colour when
> > you roll the mouse over it.   I was thinking of setting the inital
> > state of the area based on a dynamic value pulled from the database
> > (i.e sold, available, holding deposit) and with hover state for the
> > mouseover.
> >
> > Is it a practical thing to be thinking about CSS for this, given that
> > the areas aren't rectangular?
> >
> > Or can anyone think  of a better way to do it?   (My intial thought
> > was to use flash but we've crossed that idea off for a number of
> > reasons)
> >
> > Cheers
> > Mike Kear
> > AFP Webworks
> > Windsor, NSW, Australia .
> >
> >
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Re: [WSG] Anyone know of any good DOM tutorials?

[Mugur Padurean]

Hi, and good morning (again :) !
Project seven 
http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/navigation/swapclassmenu/index.htm   
has something that may be helpfull to you. Not straight away but with a 
little tweaking ... :)

Also usefull in your case (i think):
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/printyourway/  
  
and
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/goingtoprint/(this article is a 
"classic" ;)

Hope it helpes,
Mugur Padurean

Seona Bellamy wrote:
Hi guys,
Anyone know where I can find a good, easy to follow online tutorial on using
the DOM to control elements on a webpage? Specifically, I need to change the
class of an element to a different class.
Cheers,
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