RE: [WSG] HTML5 v. HTML 4.x
You can use it, but will anyone benefit from it? Assistive technologies don't support much, if any, of the new semantics. I don't know if search engines and other users of programmatic access to websites are currently able to make use of HTML5 markup, but I have not seen anything to indicate that they do. So what exactly is the benefit? Steve From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org on behalf of Thierry Koblentz Sent: Tue 25/01/2011 04:29 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] HTML5 v. HTML 4.x At the moment, HTML5 doesn't really bring a significant benefit, but that will change (in years rather than months). I beg to differ. I believe there are a lot of great stuff that we can start using today (mostly related to form controls). See http://diveintohtml5.org/forms.html and this one about datalist http://adactio.com/journal/4272/. -- Regards, Thierry @thierrykoblentz www.tjkdesign.com | www.ez-css.org | www.css-101.org *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** winmail.dat
Re: [WSG] HTML5 v. HTML 4.x
On 25 Jan 2011, at 08:34, Steve Green wrote: You can use it, but will anyone benefit from it? Assistive technologies don't support much, if any, of the new semantics. I don't know if search engines and other users of programmatic access to websites are currently able to make use of HTML5 markup, but I have not seen anything to indicate that they do. So what exactly is the benefit? It saves having to rewrite the site when AT, SEs, etc do have significant support for them. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] HTML5 v. HTML 4.x
True, but the vast majority of the websites we work on have a life of less than 12 months, often much less - rebuilding annually or more often is the norm. My inclination is to wait and see what level of AT support develops before putting significant effort into using HTML5. Of course it's different if you're building websites that will be around for years. Steve -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of David Dorward Sent: 25 January 2011 09:52 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] HTML5 v. HTML 4.x On 25 Jan 2011, at 08:34, Steve Green wrote: You can use it, but will anyone benefit from it? Assistive technologies don't support much, if any, of the new semantics. I don't know if search engines and other users of programmatic access to websites are currently able to make use of HTML5 markup, but I have not seen anything to indicate that they do. So what exactly is the benefit? It saves having to rewrite the site when AT, SEs, etc do have significant support for them. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] HTML5 v. HTML 4.x
You can use it, but will anyone benefit from it? Assistive technologies don't support much, if any, of the new semantics. I don't know if search engines and other users of programmatic access to websites are currently able to make use of HTML5 markup, but I have not seen anything to indicate that they do. So what exactly is the benefit? Hi. Benefit for now is in support of your html code. It's more easy for side developer work with your code, also. HTML5 is more readable than div soup in xhtml/html. And, on the other side — search engines begin support some sing if developer do. And vise versa. The more we use html5, the more search engines support it. Regards. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] HTML5 v. HTML 4.x
On Jan 25, 2011, at 1:52 AM, David Dorward wrote: On 25 Jan 2011, at 08:34, Steve Green wrote: You can use it, but will anyone benefit from it? Assistive technologies don't support much, if any, of the new semantics. I don't know if search engines and other users of programmatic access to websites are currently able to make use of HTML5 markup, but I have not seen anything to indicate that they do. So what exactly is the benefit? It saves having to rewrite the site when AT, SEs, etc do have significant support for them. How about the new assistive devices such as iPhone and iPad that have become quite trendy for blind people? Apple, FWIK, actively promoting HTML5. As for SEO, I don't have any data to back it up, but based on a few sites I built on HTML5 using HTML5 elements, the SEO seems very good from google search. I can publish an article, and within 1 minute it shows up in google search, in the first result page; perhaps one of the reason is that my blog has gained some momentum in terms of SEO, but I do vividly remember it used to take much longer, even if I do the search with combination of company or domain name in it for that specific article, it never show up in the first page when the site was on XHTML. I suspect Google and Bing must be adding HTML5 into their search algorithm but they just don't acknowledge it. tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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RE: [WSG] HTML5 v. HTML 4.x
You can use it, but will anyone benefit from it? Assistive technologies don't support much, if any, of the new semantics. I don't know if search engines and other users of programmatic access to websites are currently able to make use of HTML5 markup, but I have not seen anything to indicate that they do. So what exactly is the benefit? As David said, it saves you from having to rewrite stuff later. But did you check the links I posted? They show that there are things that work *today* already. -- Regards, Thierry @thierrykoblentz www.tjkdesign.com | www.ez-css.org | www.css-101.org *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
