Re: [WSG] Flyout menu questions
Hello Ron, and to other list members, My second comment to the list so have somewhat limited knowledge of best practices. I will be brief. I understand this is a test site and not compete in all details. I am not certain, but suspect you will have just as much depth in most other department sections as you did in the Community Development section. if so, you have problems of usability and user interest in pursuing to the depths. 1. The site is designed from the standpoint of the departments of the city - not from the true customers viewpoint. Ask citizens what they want to know and the site navigation could then be broken into perhaps 7-8 main categories that could be done as global nav at the top. An example is the staff listings - these are at best a vanity section and of minimal value. Either eliminate or group all under a catch-all main section like you might on a business website. A city is a business. Similarly - the forms for filing apps, refunds, making payments - might benefit from a common point of entry - right at the top. Your global Nav link I Want To.. might be the route, but that title leaves me wondering a bit what it really means. 2. The best-practices gurus say no more than three pages of depth - you're at five on the left side menus. That is too deep. I know it is possible to use the depth menu like this to jump to detailed sections easily, but I had serious problems with that menu nest in Safari, IE5.5, and NN7 on a Mac. I kept falling off the menu and having to start over. Nearly 75% of the time in trying to get to level 5 was a failure. The flyout menu failed totally in IE 5.5 on the Mac. It worked ok in Safari and NN7. 3. The one-size-fits-all website seldom does. I would advise you and your client to go for several websites - inter-linked of course, but distinctly different. Why? There is too much subdividing of data for the present portal site. You either have to back up and break it up into different sites - or break the data into different customer-oriented bits/sections. The separate library site is an example. 4. The global nav at top is a problem. In Safari and NN on a Mac the drop down for I want to.. appeared about 3-4 pixels down into the pale green section AND I could not reach them with the mouse before they disappeared. In IE5.5 on Mac the same menu appeared at the top of the white center section and was also impossible to reach with the mouse before it disappeared Will inline: SigThkLong200.jpg William H. Jensen, Jr. 67 Leninski Prospect Apartment #174, 5th Floor Moscow, Russia, 117296 Tel: (7)(095) 137-6546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] US address for mail forwarding to Russia is: William H. Jensen c/o IPS, MB 951 Suite 572 666 Fifth Ave. New York, NY, 10103 On Nov 8, 2004, at 9:58 PM, Pringle, Ron wrote: Hello all- I am in the process of redeveloping a large, content heavy municipal site. There is an extraordinarily large amount of information on the current site, and a large number of departments that need to be represented in the navigation. I've used the Son Of Suckerfish code to build out a flyout menu system. Works great, looks nice. However, some of the menus get as many as five layers deep. I'm concerned about usability (by regular and impaired users), especially on small screen real estate. My biggest problem with it is the depth of the submenus, how easy it is to slip off a menu 3 layers deep and lose your place and the fact that the menus don't remain visible for a few seconds after mousing off them. I'm looking for a review of the navigation along with opinions and suggestions, within the following constraints: 1. This site is templated via a single master template in DW. I would prefer NOT to have to use more than the one template for the site, as it will exponentially increase my workload with each additional section/template. 2. I've looked at the vertically expanding/collapsing menu systems, and have pretty much ruled them out for use on my site for a variety of reasons. Ideas, criticisms, suggestions and opinions welcomed. http://www.aurora-il.org/testsite/index.htm Only the first 3 menu items in the vertical nav have been flushed out. Regards, Ron p.s. for a good laugh, look at the current site at http://www.aurora-il.org ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Problem with PNG background in Safari
I just tried your site in my Mac Safari version 1.2.3 - (latest) and do NOT get any stripe patterns. Check your version. Will inline: SigThkLong200.jpg William H. Jensen, Jr. 67 Leninski Prospect Apartment #174, 5th Floor Moscow, Russia, 117296 Tel: (7)(095) 137-6546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] US address for mail forwarding to Russia is: William H. Jensen c/o IPS, MB 951 Suite 572 666 Fifth Ave. New York, NY, 10103 On Nov 11, 2004, at 4:57 PM, Vova wrote: Hi, everyone I've used a true color PNG as a repeating background image of the centered container: http://www.theschool.ru/test/index.htm I've tested it in various browsers on PC, Netscape 6 and Safari on Mac. The background looks fine in all browsers, but for some reason it looks striped in Safari. Other true color PNGs seem to be ok. I wonder if the problem lies in Safari's PNG support or it's something else. Another problem is the unreadable (tiny) footer text in Netscape 6 on Mac (the font-size is set to xx-small, Verdana). Why would Netscape render xx-small text unreadable? Vova ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Problems with internet explorer 5.x
Works fine on a MAC with IE-5.2.3 Will inline: SigThkLong200.jpg William H. Jensen, Jr. 67 Leninski Prospect Apartment #174, 5th Floor Moscow, Russia, 117296 Tel: (7)(095) 137-6546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] US address for mail forwarding to Russia is: William H. Jensen c/o IPS, MB 951 Suite 572 666 Fifth Ave. New York, NY, 10103 On Nov 11, 2004, at 6:48 PM, Gean Oliveira wrote: Hi guys, I'm developing my 1st website using standards as a volunteer to a Community Center but I'm having problems with Internet Explorer 5.x I tested in Firefox, Opera and Explorer 6 and works fine. However, when I'm using Explorer 5.x it doesn't looks good. (Menu on the left side) If you take a look at http://www.centrobrasilangola.org/new you'll see it. The css is located at http://www.centrobrasilangola.org/new/style.css Thanks in advance. Gean ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] DreamWeaver Template Left (or Right) Halo Nav in DW MX2004
I want to use the DW, Page Design CSS - Left Halo Nav template. It works well in all browsers, except it does not properly render in IE 6 on a WinTel PC. The problem seems to be with the Capsule Story element which is part of a table. In IE 6 Win the Capsule Story table begins after the bottom edge of the PageNav section has ended. In screen resolutions over 1024x760 this causes a large gap to appear in the content section between the div class story and the table'd Capsule Story. Any recommended work-arounds that will validate in XHTML 1.0 Strict!? I did not send files since this is not recommended for the list. I do not have a website where I can place it for this test. If someone wants to tackle this offline then I can send HTML and CSS files separately. Thanks, Will inline: SigThkLong200.jpg William H. Jensen, Jr. 67 Leninski Prospect Apartment #174, 5th Floor Moscow, Russia, 117296 Tel: (7)(095) 137-6546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] US address for mail forwarding to Russia is: William H. Jensen c/o IPS, MB 951 Suite 572 666 Fifth Ave. New York, NY, 10103
Re: [WSG] DreamWeaver Template Left (or Right) Halo Nav in DW MX2004
I am running IE 6 on Win 2K Adv Server. This is an interesting wrinkle. I imagined MacroMedia would not turn out a template that did not work in all browsers on all platforms. I used a 1024x768 screen resolution and if I resize the IE6 window horizontally the capsule story section drops down below the PageNav section. It may not be obvious unless you play about a bit with the size of the IE window. I have a 17 screen and the difference is very large in the placement of the text. Will inline: SigThkLong200.jpg William H. Jensen, Jr. 67 Leninski Prospect Apartment #174, 5th Floor Moscow, Russia, 117296 Tel: (7)(095) 137-6546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] US address for mail forwarding to Russia is: William H. Jensen c/o IPS, MB 951 Suite 572 666 Fifth Ave. New York, NY, 10103 On Nov 16, 2004, at 1:19 AM, Natalie Buxton wrote: Hi Will I have DW MX and setup the template here and could not duplicate the issue on IE6/WINXP. Which IE/WIN combo are you running? Natalie On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:40:19 +0300, Will Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I want to use the DW, Page Design CSS - Left Halo Nav template. It works well in all browsers, except it does not properly render in IE 6 on a WinTel PC. The problem seems to be with the Capsule Story element which is part of a table. In IE 6 Win the Capsule Story table begins after the bottom edge of the PageNav section has ended. In screen resolutions over 1024x760 this causes a large gap to appear in the content section between the div class story and the table'd Capsule Story. -- Website Designer/Developer www.nataliebuxton.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] DreamWeaver Template Left (or Right) Halo Nav in DW MX2004
Works Perfectly - Thanks loads! I have one more Question on this template. I want to center the global nav menu and the sub-global nav menu. I can do this with text-align center in the CSS for the global and sub-global nav sections in the CSS. It works fine in all browsers except IE 5 on my Mac OS X. The menu flickers and the sub-global scrambles - you think you are on the second choice in the global menu, but the sub-global brings out sub-global links for the third choice on the global menu.. This is a minor problem since IE 5 on Mac is dead but still used by some folks. Will inline: SigThkLong200.jpg William H. Jensen, Jr. 67 Leninski Prospect Apartment #174, 5th Floor Moscow, Russia, 117296 Tel: (7)(095) 137-6546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] US address for mail forwarding to Russia is: William H. Jensen c/o IPS, MB 951 Suite 572 666 Fifth Ave. New York, NY, 10103 On Nov 16, 2004, at 9:29 AM, Johannes Reiss wrote: x-tad-smallerHallo Will,/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerThe problem is the 100% of the table width.../x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerIn the html-file you may change /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerdiv class=story>/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallertable width=100% etc. etc.>/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerthe table width to less than 100%, eg. table width=90%/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerThan it works .../x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerbest greetings/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerjohannes/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller- Original Message -/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerWill Jensen/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller[EMAIL PROTECTED]/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Monday, November 15, 2004 5:40 PM/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller [WSG] DreamWeaver Template Left (or Right) Halo Nav in DW MX2004/x-tad-smallerI want to use the DW, Page Design CSS - Left Halo Nav template. It works well in all browsers, except it does not properly render in IE 6 on a WinTel PC. The problem seems to be with the Capsule Story element which is part of a table. In IE 6 Win the Capsule Story table begins after the bottom edge of the PageNav section has ended. In screen resolutions over 1024x760 this causes a large gap to appear in the content section between the div class story and the table'd Capsule Story. Any recommended work-arounds that will validate in XHTML 1.0 Strict!? I did not send files since this is not recommended for the list. I do not have a website where I can place it for this test. If someone wants to tackle this offline then I can send HTML and CSS files separately. Thanks, Will image.tiff> William H. Jensen, Jr. 67 Leninski Prospect Apartment #174, 5th Floor Moscow, Russia, 117296 Tel: (7)(095) 137-6546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] US address for mail forwarding to Russia is: William H. Jensen c/o IPS, MB 951 Suite 572 666 Fifth Ave. New York, NY, 10103
Re: [WSG] DreamWeaver Template Left (or Right) Halo Nav in DW MX2004
Dave, You need some tranquilizers man. You did miss my point. Macromedia sells a product that purports to work with IE and most other browsers. Macromedia DreamWeaver MX has a defective template. Simple as that. A minor problem that could have been avoided by a bit more careful checking before release. It was not glaringly apparent until I put it into a screen resolution that allowed it to be exposed. Thanks to two fellows on this newsgroup for their guidance and simple fixes for the problem. If they can do it - so could Macromedia. IE on any platform is not my favorite browser. Nor is Safari or Opera or Netscape or Firefoxetc! All have their problems and shortcomings. I use all of them to test my products before release. According to the browser statistics in a recent posting to this group: IE owns something like 92% of the browser market (presuming, of course, that those stats are truly reflective of the user community). I do not hate a company simply because they have captured the majority of the market. I DO dislike Microsoft's inability to adapt quickly to industry standards that are emerging around them. I do NOT rant at the folks who use the products that are often pre-installed on their computers. MOST Internet users fall into this category. They are victims of Microsoft's success at marketing. Do not blame the victim! An American story comes to mind of a girl named Pollyanna - who always thought positively - perhaps naively so. You seem to imply that I am somewhat pollyanish in my belief that MacroMedia would do a little more proofing before they deliver a product to market. Macromedia did not do this and are correctly blamed for the problem with THEIR template. IE and its lack of standards compliance is an extenuating factor. I doubt you design websites only for compliance to the 'best' browsers on the market without regard for the 1,000 kilogram ape looming over you. Thanks for the article link - nothing new there - but it's always good to see someone trying to tell the already converted what they want to hear. Will Jensen Moscow, Russia On Nov 17, 2004, at 10:11 AM, csslist wrote: ok maybe its just the way u said this but its gotta be the dumbest thing i have ever read [quote]I imagined MacroMedia would not turn out a template that did not work in all browsers on all platforms.[/quote] i mean come on if it makes u feel better to pass some blame then blame who it is that at fault and gee wouldnt u guess who it is? micro$oft imagine that the quote should be more like this I imagined Micro$oft would not turn out such crap that did not work right and doesnt follow the recommended validation standards but then again if they built something right then all the worlds crime would go away, everything would be green and fertile, everyone would be beautiful, there would be free super slurpee's for the everyone and there would be nothing but world peace. and we all know all that aint about to happen btw, a desect quick read http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3513_7-5570803-1.html?tag=cnetfd.ld -- Original Message -- From: Will Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:35:29 +0300 I am running IE 6 on Win 2K Adv Server. This is an interesting wrinkle. I imagined MacroMedia would not turn out a template that did not work in all browsers on all platforms. I used a 1024x768 screen resolution and if I resize the IE6 window horizontally the capsule story section drops down below the PageNav section. It may not be obvious unless you play about a bit with the size of the IE window. I have a 17 screen and the difference is very large in the placement of the text.
Re: [WSG] Help with suggestions
I visited your site. I understand it is a work in progress. There are too many comments I could make. I limited myself to those that need most attention first: 1. Why is there a doorway or front page? Such pages make me want to leave - not enter. It is downright unfriendly to expect me to waste my time reading your terms of use before I even see what the site is about. In marketing you have less than 1 minute - and typically, only one chance - to get the customer interested enough to enter your site - don't put up an unwelcome sign at the gate! Remove your front door and let them in right away. 2. What is the purpose of your site? It is not clear. I tried some of the links and still am confused. I gathered at one point that it is about a city/region in southern India. But, some of the links make me wonder what the real purpose is. 3. I did a screen shot of its appearance in Safari - sent directly to you separately. I send only one photo but the result of rendering the page is the same in Opera and Firefox. The top table is left bound and the main content sections are centered. This might be OK for small screens, but not for large screens like mine (23). 4. The site Map Quick Links menu is a nice start, but the actual links in there are NOT related to your real site map. Misnamed?! 5. Your HTML coding needs some order imposed. It works generally, but needs a lot of cleaning up. For starters there is no DOCTYPE declared - so it could not be validated in HTML 4.01 or XHTML 1.0 or 1.1. 6. Your CSS.. - well, it needs much more help. 7. Go to http://www.westciv.com/index.html and order their courses on HTML/XHTML and then get the CSS courses. I used them; and, in a short period of time I was easily coding XHTML and CSS. It isn't rocket science; and, the Westciv courses are among the best I've seen in terms of clarity of explanation of the steps to take in programming. 8. You can also go to http://www.internet.com and http://www.webreference.com for additional tutorials in XHTML, CSS and other tutorials on web design. 9. Finally - LOVED the elephant photos! Will Jensen Moscow, Russia [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Nov 21, 2004, at 2:52 PM, dotcompals wrote: Dear all, I am a beginner. Please help me on www.TattaMangalam.com with its looks navigation. I'd prefer pure CSS HTML. regards Prashanth 7.gif>Prashanth Nair dotcompals Tattamangalam.P.O Palakkad Dt. Kerala (State) India-678102 http://www.TattaMangalam.Com Call: +91 94474 22736 ; +91 4923 227395 Useful Links www.KeralaClick.com for Stunning Images of Kerala Get Firefox!Safer/Faster/Better::: the Browser You can Trust Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! Get yours free!
Re: [WSG] site check please - an illustrated novel
Bob, Purely from the aesthetics level. Drop the entire first page - or two - The very first one blinked on my screen for perhaps 3 seconds and was gone. The second was the spinning record. The main window - number three, is where I should land right off - no other pages between me and your main menu. I suggest using the record in the main page (after dropping the first two pages). The record meaning is clear. As for the rear view mirror scene - I can understand it might be a visual reminder of the reflective character of the novel. Use it on a further page -perhaps on the introduction page instead of the animated pen-hand. Overall - I really like the uncluttered appearance. Download was speedy - no hassle at all. You may have a multitude of issues to contend with in the illustrated section. The disabilities act insists blind folks should have ready access. Have you thought that through yet? There are some previous discussions in the e-mail archives at WSG. I went to the validator of w3c using XHTML transitional. Here's the abbreviated error listing from the W3C validator for the 'record' page: 1.Line 32, column 179: there is no attribute NAME 2.Line 34, column 37: required attribute TYPE not specified 3. Line 41, column 40: required attribute TYPE not specified 4. Line 45, column 37: required attribute TYPE not specified 5. Line 48, column 17: document type does not allow element NOSCRIPT here; missing one of APPLET, OBJECT, MAP, IFRAME, BUTTON start-tag 6. Line 50, column 49: cannot generate system identifier for general entity j 7. Line 50, column 49: general entity j not defined and no default entity 8. Line 50, column 50: reference to entity j for which no system identifier could be generated 9. Line 50, column 48: entity was defined here The validator then read: http://www.treyarnon.fsworld.co.uk/openingpage/opening.html and lists 7 errors that focus on the 'content' section near bottom of the XHTML page code for the flash movie: 1. Line 82, column 19: there is no attribute src 2. Line 82, column 43: there is no attribute quality 3. Line 82, column 62: there is no attribute pluginspage 4. Line 82, column 113: there is no attribute type 5. Line 82, column 151: there is no attribute width 6. Line 82, column 164: there is no attribute height 7. Line 82, column 169: element embed undefined Will Jensen Moscow, Russia [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 8, 2004, at 5:08 PM, Tom Livingston wrote: Hello, My only beef with this site is you seem to have *two* splash pages. One is bad enough... Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist mlinc.com designer wrote: Hi All, I would be grateful for any and all feedback on a redesign I've done for a site which presents an illustrated novel. Some of it is a weeny bit hybrid, but (a small amount of flash aside) it all validates as xhtml and presentational matter is down to an absolute minimum. I have not done anything with the 'illustrations' section, as it needs a complete rewrite. At the moment it can be seen at www.treyarnon.com - any helpful (or even rude :-) comments welcome. Thanks, Bob McClelland, Cornwall (U.K.) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: THANKS AND HELP!? RE: [WSG] Site Critique - do your worst...
Just noticed your favicon does not show in any browser on my Mac and PC...could be my problem, but get all other icons on other sites. Your page disappeared moments ago, so cannot offer more advice. Presume you're working on it. Will Jensen Moscow, Russia [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 10, 2004, at 5:44 PM, Sam Hutchinson wrote: Thanks David. Altering my sizing options now, and many thanks for your feedback. RE You may(?) want to consider an alternative menu for those using a JS disabled browser... - what is evryone's opinion? I do have plain text links at the footer of the page and users will be able to get around the main site with JS switched off. Is this just a step too far or is it a worthy change? If so, what method is suggested for delivering valid drop downs WITHOUT js? SH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Laakso Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 01:42 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: THANKS AND HELP!? RE: [WSG] Site Critique - do your worst... On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:53:12 -, Sam Hutchinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Currently looking into all the suggestions offered, so thanks :) Much oblidged to all list members who offered assistance. The page has now moved to: http://www.sammyco.co.uk/acttrwebpre/steady.php It also now validates fully via W3C and is working cross browser. The **only** glitch I seem to ge getting in testing now is in firefox: XP 1280 native resolution LCD: Sorry, can't fix my own stuff, much less anyone else's. Nevertheless, just thought you might want to know: You're looking good in Opera7.54 now; however, she's breaking a litte at 120% zoom-- #FFF text in header dropping into menu, the quote in header breaks a little, and the container breaks at bottom of the page. Experienced same breaking problems in 1E6.0 at text size largest as in Opera. I normally use IE for testing purposes only, and then at security setting at High, which disables JavaScript among other things. You may(?) want to consider an alternative menu for those using a JS disabled browser... Best, David -- http://www.dlaakso.com/ Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible
I just began having the same Firefox problem last night. Continues today. FF locks up. And no other browser running at same time. Seems to be recent issue. I was using all browsers - loaded and operating - last week (except cannot run NN7 and Mozilla at same time) FF worked fine then - no matter how many others were running. Now it locks up. Hmm! Will Jensen Moscow, Russia [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 18, 2004, at 11:59 PM, Wayne Godfrey wrote: Ag!! Am I having Firefox problems because the latest Netscape is also on my Mac OSX (Panther) as well? The latest version of Firefox has been acting strangely ever since I installed Netscape (or thereabouts). I can't seem to quit Firefox without it remaining in the menu and is unusable without a reboot (I also get no force quit option on the dock) . It also, quite often, doesn't load any page on startup, though it is suppose to. If this is OT, I am sorry, but this has been driving me batty for a couple of weeks. I've searched for answers, but can't seem to find any. Any thoughts out there would be greatly appreciated. Wayne Godfrey Outgate Media, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED]> ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE Hack wrecks IE 5.01 design
Andreas, I did browser checks on PC (IE-6) and Mac (IE5, Safari, Opera, NN7, FF and Mozilla). Sending screen shots -(labeled for browser and platform) off line. I suspect if you adjust your screen size in IE5.5 you will also get the breakdown. The site top menu breaks in ALL of them. Fortunately it breaks the same way in all of them. Looks like your top links (the small utility group on the top right) intrudes onto the top menu space. Try setting a min-width: 700px; on the menu. 700 is a guess on width needed. This worked for me on another site. All the time for now the boss beckons. Will Jensen Moscow, Russia [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 20, 2004, at 8:54 AM, Andreas Boehmer wrote: I just realised that the voice-family hack for IE behaves not the way I expect it in IE 5.01 (works fine in IE 5.5). Unfortunately the site is live already, so hopefully somebody can get me on track quickly. If you have a look at: http://www.rmitenglishworldwide.com.au You will notice that the menu in IE 5.01 is slightly stuffed. This seems to be due to the IE hack I used for the widths. When I take the hack out, it improves, but the widths are wrong. Put the hack in and IE 5.01 completely ignores both, the width it is meant to see and the width it is not meant to see. Here the link to the css: http://www.rmitenglishworldwide.com.au/include/menu.css Thanks guys! Andreas Boehmer User Experience Consultant Phone: (03) 9417 0468 Mobile: (0411) 097 038 http://www.addictiveMedia.com.au Consulting | Accessibility | Usability | Development ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry
Your home page is very attractive. A bit of humble pie - I validated your home page using your referral button 'xhtml' and got 15 errors. Your CSS shows one related error: Please, validate your XML document first! Line 164 Column 25 The element type img must be terminated by the matching end-tag /img>. When 'experts' throw stones.. Will Jensen Moscow, Russia [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 24, 2004, at 4:15 AM, Lori Leach wrote: I can tell you why I am not WOWed by it.. It is not clean, and tight, and that is what pleases my eye. For me, it looks very amateur. However, any person that takes a chance and dives in doing css gets kudos from me, but not all online artistry even done in css is something that commends those same kudos. JMHO Lori Leach Zenful Creations http://www.zenfulcreations.com/ Could the people who think it is so non-wow, please explain ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Affiliate link code validation errors
If this is off-topic - Just let it die for lack of reply! I have an 'affiliate' link on my web site for the Opera browser (And, yes for Firefox, Mozilla and Netscape as well). The problem is that the link does not validate in XHTML 1.1. This same problem shows up on many other sites using affiliate links for all kinds of products, not just for Opera. Here's the link code: a href=https://secure.bmtmicro.com/servlets/Orders.ShoppingCart?CID=310PRODUCTID=3100023AID=xx> The x's are the affiliate ID. The W3C validator shows 12 errors related to the items highlighted in BOLD: a href=https://secure.bmtmicro.com/servlets/Orders.ShoppingCart?CID=310PRODUCTID=3100023AID=830198> The errors stem from PRODUCTID, the '=' and the '' My question is how - if at all possible - to make this statement validate in XHTML 1.1? I know I can downgrade the DOCTYPE!, but really prefer to keep the XHTML 1.1 rating. Will Jensen Moscow, Russia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [WSG] Affiliate link code validation errors
Bert and Jeroen, Thanks, I did go to the link at W3C on ampersands. That is what triggered the query. I am concerned that if someone uses the 'corrected' link to go to the Opera site, that the use of amp; will cause an error in the affiliate ID registration process... Or is this just foolishness on my part? Will Jensen Moscow, Russia [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 24, 2004, at 10:29 AM, Jeroen Visser [ vizi ] wrote: If you replace '' with 'amp;' in your code, your link will probably validate. In XHTML, the ampersand is strictly reserved to start an HTML entity; because the validator doesn't see a valid entity following the , it throws an error.
Re: [WSG] Affiliate link code validation errors
Sorry, forgot to mention that with the change from the alone to using the amp; did allow validation under XHTML 1.1. AND, the link did go to the shopping cart page at Opera web site. Now to that question - will the Opera server correctly record the transaction for affiliate credit? Or does the change cause errors. Will Jensen Moscow, Russia [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 24, 2004, at 10:29 AM, Jeroen Visser [ vizi ] wrote: If you replace '' with 'amp;' in your code, your link will probably validate. In XHTML, the ampersand is strictly reserved to start an HTML entity; because the validator doesn't see a valid entity following the , it throws an error.
Re: [WSG] Affiliate link code validation errors
Thanks to Bert and Jeroen - It all 'just works.' Have a merry one! Will Jensen Moscow, Russia [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 24, 2004, at 11:22 AM, Bert Doorn wrote: Will Jensen wrote: I am concerned that if someone uses the 'corrected' link to go to the Opera site, that the use of amp; will cause an error in the affiliate ID registration process... Or is this just foolishness on my part? The only foolish question is the one that's not asked, although the answer was only a click or hover away (on your encoded link) Click on your encoded link and see what ends up in your address bar Browsers translate the amp; to an ampersand when you click on the link (or even hover over them). I have used this for years and have gone much further with encoded mailto: links that look like gibberish in the HTML. It's always worked fine. What does a browser show when you put gt; or quot; in your HTML? Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] [ADMIN] Site review requests and new Brisbane organiser
Jack, I use both PC and Mac. IE 6 on PC and IE 5 on Mac are different in the way they render identical pages. Will Jensen Moscow, Russia [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Feb 23, 2005, at 7:48 AM, John Horner wrote: Can I add one more thing to the site review thing? I often see people asking for their site to be checked on on a Mac, which doesn't really make much sense if you think about it. I can test it for you in the very latest build of FireFox, but that probably isn't what you mean... There are: * browsers which are pretty much identical on Mac and other platforms -- if you've got a problem with Netscape 4 on PC you've almost certainly got it on Mac too * browsers which only exist on Mac, for instance Safari * browsers which have the same names on Mac and PC, for instance IE5, but which are radically different browsers -- don't assume for a second if it works in IE5 on PC it works in IE5 on a Mac so when you ask people to test a site because apparently it doesn't work on a Mac, it really helps to know what browser is being used by the person reporting the problem. Have You Validated Your Code? John Horner(+612 / 02) 9333 3488 Senior Developer, ABC Online http://www.abc.net.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Any Safari 1.0 users out there?
I have Safari 1.2.4 (v125.12) with OS-X version 10.3.8 - Your page is fine. I know an earlier version of Safari had problems with some websites that used Javascript or some CGI scripts for user/password logins. But even that has gone away after the latest OS-X update. Your 'disappeared' user may been having problems as well with a 'Speed download' event using Safari. I still get that - and did on your site when I downloaded the StyleMaster 4.0 update. Had to switch to Firefox to get around the problem. Will Jensen Moscow, Russia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [WSG] XHTML/HTML
If you use ! DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd; html *** XHTML 1.1 *** And remember close your code br br/ or br/ then you should not have any problem. XHTML strict see more http://www.w3c.org and all code you make should be in lowercases eks. meta /meta Allan * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] IE8 and testing for Accessibility 508 Compliancy
2009/7/23 Erickson, Kevin (DOE) kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov: Hello, Could anyone please give me information about IE8 and testing for accessibility and 508 compliancy? If anyone has links to this information that would be very helpful too. There is : Total Validator Testing : US 508 and WCAC 1-2-3 Sorry. can't remember the link. -- Regards / Mhv. Ib K. jensen - http://ikjensen.dk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE8 and testing for Accessibility 508 Compliancy
2009/7/23 Erickson, Kevin (DOE) kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov: Hello, Could anyone please give me information about IE8 and testing for accessibility and 508 compliancy? If anyone has links to this information that would be very helpful too. There is : Total Validator Testing : US 508 and WCAC 1-2-3 Sorry. can't remember the link. -- Regards / Mhv. Ib K. jensen - http://ikjensen.dk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] small screen rendering tools (plus other useful things)
James: Nice heads-up. Thanks. A quick troll through the extensionroom at mozdev this lazy sunday afternoon showed up some interesting tools that may be of help when developing/designing/tweaking your next masterpiece: --- SSR (http://disruptive-innovations.com/products/index.html#SSRXPI) --- snip-snip -- IE view allows you to launch a page into IE from a Mozilla browser, from the context menu. http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/ieview Whats is the context menu in Firebird? -- snip-snip -- Jorgen Farum Jensen www.webdesign101.dk * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
