Re: [wsjt-devel] Graphic confusion ;-)

[Gary Hinson]

This zombie topic has been around since the early days of FT8.   According to 
some, the arrows point the correct way, according to others they point 
backwards.  Like the arrows, there are arguments both ways.  Clearly, it’s an 
individual thing.  

Would it not be possible (at some future point – not urgently) to make the 
arrow direction a user config option?  

73
Gary  ZL2iFB

 

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Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] Graphic confusion ;-)

 

What's confusing is how people interpret the button.

 

It's a data-flow indicator showing the direction of data travel - it's not a 
button which some seem to interpret as pointing to the thing you want to change.

 

It takes a bit of getting used to if you have the 2nd interpretation but 
eventually your brain will click.

 

de Mike W9MDB

 

 

 

 

On Saturday, December 1, 2018, 4:10:56 AM CST, m...@oz5xn.dk 
<mailto:m...@oz5xn.dk>  mailto:m...@oz5xn.dk> > wrote: 

 

 

Just a single confusing graphic detail that might be corrected: On the two 
buttons for moving TX / RX to the same frequency, the arrows turn illogically 
(remains from 1.9 and earlier). The arrows should turn opposite so they point 
to what you do, i.e. that "Set RX frequency to TX frequency" points from RX to 
TX. It took me some time to get used to making things "wrong" to get the right 
result. :-)

 

Thank you for continuing the great work! :-)

73, Allan

 

 

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Re: [wsjt-devel] Graphic confusion ;-)

[Bill Somerville]

On 01/12/2018 17:39, Paul Kube wrote:
Bill, You really should change the tooltips though. "Set Tx frequency 
to Rx Frequency" makes it sound like the direction is from Tx to Rx, 
and then the arrows seem to point the "wrong" direction.


Paul,

take the sentence "Set Tx frequency to Rx Frequency", I read the word 
"Set" to mean change or adjust as per definition 12(a) here: 
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/set .


I find it hard to interpret the sentence as the opposite. If anything 
the arrow direction has potential for different interpretations 
depending on the assumed context, i.e. is it the frequency that is being 
moved or is it something else that has the opposite sense.


As I said, it is an endian type issue. At risk of causing a religious 
war based on pettiness, I crack my boiled eggs at the thin end but I 
don't insist that you should.


73
Bill
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Graphic confusion ;-)

[Paul Kube]

>  . You'll just have to learn the convention and put up with it.

Bill, You really should change the tooltips though. "Set Tx frequency to Rx
Frequency" makes it sound like the direction is from Tx to Rx, and then the
arrows seem to point the "wrong" direction.

"Copy Tx frequency to Rx frequency" or "Push Tx frequency to Rx frequency"
would be less confusing.

73, Paul K6PO

On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 9:12 AM Bill Somerville 
wrote:

> On 01/12/2018 10:05, m...@oz5xn.dk wrote:
>
> Just a single confusing graphic detail that might be corrected: On the two
> buttons for moving TX / RX to the same frequency, the arrows turn
> illogically (remains from 1.9 and earlier). The arrows should turn opposite
> so they point to what you do, i.e. that "Set RX frequency to TX frequency"
> points from RX to TX. It took me some time to get used to making things
> "wrong" to get the right result. :-)
>
>
>
> Thank you for continuing the great work! :-)
>
> 73, Allan
>
> Hi Allan,
>
> this is an endian issue (
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulliver%27s_Travels#Part_I:_A_Voyage_to_Lilliput).
> There is no correct resolution that satisfies everyone. You'll just have to
> learn the convention and put up with it.
>
> 73
> Bill
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Graphic confusion ;-)

[Keith Maton via wsjt-devel]

I didn’t even read the tooltip, I just assumed that the arrow on the right 
copied the frequency from the top field to the bottom one.

73 Keith G6NHU




> On 1 Dec 2018, at 17:02, m...@oz5xn.dk wrote:
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> You are right guys. Just follow the arrows and ignore the tool tip. Then it 
> works! J
> 
> Thanks! 
> 
> 73, Allan   
>  
> Fra: Frank Kirschner [mailto:frank.kirsch...@gmail.com] 
> Sendt: 1. december 2018 17:32
> Til: al...@nelsson.net; WSJT software development
> Emne: Re: [wsjt-devel] Graphic confusion ;-)
>  
> Allan,
>  
> I think I see the problem. You are misinterpreting the word "to" in the tool 
> tip. If the tool tip for the arrow from Rx to Tx said, "Copy Rx freq to Tx," 
> instead of "Set Tx freq to Rx freq," (and conversely for the other button), 
> would that help?
>  
> Or, as has been suggested, just ignore the tool tip and look at the arrow 
> direction.
>  
> Hope that helps.
>  
> 73,
> Frank
> KF6E
>  
> On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 5:10 AM mailto:m...@oz5xn.dk>> wrote:
>> Just a single confusing graphic detail that might be corrected: On the two 
>> buttons for moving TX / RX to the same frequency, the arrows turn 
>> illogically (remains from 1.9 and earlier). The arrows should turn opposite 
>> so they point to what you do, i.e. that "Set RX frequency to TX frequency" 
>> points from RX to TX. It took me some time to get used to making things 
>> "wrong" to get the right result. :-) <>
>>  
>> Thank you for continuing the great work! :-)
>> 73, Allan
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Graphic confusion ;-)

[Bill Somerville]

On 01/12/2018 10:05, m...@oz5xn.dk wrote:


Just a single confusing graphic detail that might be corrected: On the 
two buttons for moving TX / RX to the same frequency, the arrows turn 
illogically (remains from 1.9 and earlier). The arrows should turn 
opposite so they point to what you do, i.e. that "Set RX frequency to 
TX frequency" points from RX to TX. It took me some time to get used 
to making things "wrong" to get the right result. :-)


Thank you for continuing the great work! :-)

73, Allan


Hi Allan,

this is an endian issue 
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulliver%27s_Travels#Part_I:_A_Voyage_to_Lilliput). 
There is no correct resolution that satisfies everyone. You'll just have 
to learn the convention and put up with it.


73
Bill
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Graphic confusion ;-)

[mail]

Hi Guys,

You are right guys. Just follow the arrows and ignore the tool tip. Then it 
works! J

Thanks! 

73, Allan   

 

Fra: Frank Kirschner [mailto:frank.kirsch...@gmail.com] 
Sendt: 1. december 2018 17:32
Til: al...@nelsson.net; WSJT software development
Emne: Re: [wsjt-devel] Graphic confusion ;-)

 

Allan,

 

I think I see the problem. You are misinterpreting the word "to" in the tool 
tip. If the tool tip for the arrow from Rx to Tx said, "Copy Rx freq to Tx," 
instead of "Set Tx freq to Rx freq," (and conversely for the other button), 
would that help?

 

Or, as has been suggested, just ignore the tool tip and look at the arrow 
direction.

 

Hope that helps.

 

73,

Frank

KF6E

 

On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 5:10 AM  wrote:

Just a single confusing graphic detail that might be corrected: On the two 
buttons for moving TX / RX to the same frequency, the arrows turn illogically 
(remains from 1.9 and earlier). The arrows should turn opposite so they point 
to what you do, i.e. that "Set RX frequency to TX frequency" points from RX to 
TX. It took me some time to get used to making things "wrong" to get the right 
result. :-)

 

Thank you for continuing the great work! :-)

73, Allan

 

 

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Re: [wsjt-devel] Graphic confusion ;-)

[Frank Kirschner]

Allan,

I think I see the problem. You are misinterpreting the word "to" in the
tool tip. If the tool tip for the arrow from Rx to Tx said, "Copy Rx freq
to Tx," instead of "Set Tx freq to Rx freq," (and conversely for the other
button), would that help?

Or, as has been suggested, just ignore the tool tip and look at the arrow
direction.

Hope that helps.

73,
Frank
KF6E

On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 5:10 AM  wrote:

> Just a single confusing graphic detail that might be corrected: On the two
> buttons for moving TX / RX to the same frequency, the arrows turn
> illogically (remains from 1.9 and earlier). The arrows should turn opposite
> so they point to what you do, i.e. that "Set RX frequency to TX frequency"
> points from RX to TX. It took me some time to get used to making things
> "wrong" to get the right result. :-)
>
>
>
> Thank you for continuing the great work! :-)
>
> 73, Allan
>
>
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Graphic confusion ;-)

[Neil Zampella]

Allan,

Its doing what it says ... moving the Tx freq (A) in your pic to the Rx 
(B).  So if you clicked on that down arrow, it moves the 2335 DOWN to 
the Rx.   If you clicked on the up arrow it would move the 1317 Rx freq 
(B) UP to the Tx (A).


Neil, KN3ILZ

On 12/1/2018 10:02 AM, m...@oz5xn.dk wrote:


Neil,

Well, that’s exactly how I would like to have it, but it’s not how it 
works here. When moving from A to B – the arrow should point from A to 
B.  My arrows are apparently opposite (see attached photo). Set RX 
frequency to TX frequency on my version ( rc5 737d2f) is the right 
hand button – and the arrow points down (towards the RX frequency). 
Have I missed something here?


Allan, OZ5XN.

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*Til:* wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
*Emne:* Re: [wsjt-devel] Graphic confusion ;-)

Allan,

I'm not sure what you're saying, are you talking about V5?.    The 
arrow to move the RX freq to TX points up (away) from the RX to the 
TX, and vice versa.   How is that confusing?   Most people love that 
change.


Neil, KN3ILZ

On 12/1/2018 5:05 AM, m...@oz5xn.dk <mailto:m...@oz5xn.dk> wrote:

Just a single confusing graphic detail that might be corrected: On
the two buttons for moving TX / RX to the same frequency, the
arrows turn illogically (remains from 1.9 and earlier). The arrows
should turn opposite so they point to what you do, i.e. that "Set
RX frequency to TX frequency" points from RX to TX. It took me
some time to get used to making things "wrong" to get the right
result. :-)

Thank you for continuing the great work! :-)

73, Allan

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Re: [wsjt-devel] Graphic confusion ;-)

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Allan:
Easy fix.  Just ignore the dialog boxes and just follow the arrow
indications.  Works as displayed perfectly

On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 9:06 AM  wrote:

> Neil,
>
>
>
> Well, that’s exactly how I would like to have it, but it’s not how it
> works here. When moving from A to B – the arrow should point from A to B.
> My arrows are apparently opposite (see attached photo). Set RX frequency to
> TX frequency on my version ( rc5 737d2f) is the right hand button – and the
> arrow points down (towards the RX frequency). Have I missed something here?
>
>
>
> Allan, OZ5XN.
>
>
>
> *Fra:* Neil Zampella [mailto:ne...@techie.com]
> *Sendt:* 1. december 2018 13:09
> *Til:* wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> *Emne:* Re: [wsjt-devel] Graphic confusion ;-)
>
>
>
> Allan,
>
> I'm not sure what you're saying, are you talking about V5?.The arrow
> to move the RX freq to TX points up (away) from the RX to the TX, and vice
> versa.   How is that confusing?   Most people love that change.
>
> Neil, KN3ILZ
>
> On 12/1/2018 5:05 AM, m...@oz5xn.dk wrote:
>
> Just a single confusing graphic detail that might be corrected: On the two
> buttons for moving TX / RX to the same frequency, the arrows turn
> illogically (remains from 1.9 and earlier). The arrows should turn opposite
> so they point to what you do, i.e. that "Set RX frequency to TX frequency"
> points from RX to TX. It took me some time to get used to making things
> "wrong" to get the right result. :-)
>
>
>
> Thank you for continuing the great work! :-)
>
> 73, Allan
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Graphic confusion ;-)

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Neil,

 

Well, that's exactly how I would like to have it, but it's not how it works
here. When moving from A to B - the arrow should point from A to B.  My
arrows are apparently opposite (see attached photo). Set RX frequency to TX
frequency on my version ( rc5 737d2f) is the right hand button - and the
arrow points down (towards the RX frequency). Have I missed something here? 

 

Allan, OZ5XN.

 

Fra: Neil Zampella [mailto:ne...@techie.com] 
Sendt: 1. december 2018 13:09
Til: wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Emne: Re: [wsjt-devel] Graphic confusion ;-)

 

Allan,

I'm not sure what you're saying, are you talking about V5?.The arrow to
move the RX freq to TX points up (away) from the RX to the TX, and vice
versa.   How is that confusing?   Most people love that change. 

Neil, KN3ILZ

On 12/1/2018 5:05 AM, m...@oz5xn.dk wrote:

Just a single confusing graphic detail that might be corrected: On the two
buttons for moving TX / RX to the same frequency, the arrows turn
illogically (remains from 1.9 and earlier). The arrows should turn opposite
so they point to what you do, i.e. that "Set RX frequency to TX frequency"
points from RX to TX. It took me some time to get used to making things
"wrong" to get the right result. :-)

 

Thank you for continuing the great work! :-)

73, Allan

 

 

 


 
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Graphic confusion ;-)

[Black Michael via wsjt-devel]

What's confusing is how people interpret the button.
It's a data-flow indicator showing the direction of data travel - it's not a 
button which some seem to interpret as pointing to the thing you want to change.
It takes a bit of getting used to if you have the 2nd interpretation but 
eventually your brain will click.
de Mike W9MDB


 

On Saturday, December 1, 2018, 4:10:56 AM CST, m...@oz5xn.dk 
 wrote:  
 
 
Just a single confusing graphic detail that might be corrected: On the two 
buttons for moving TX / RX to the same frequency, the arrows turn illogically 
(remains from 1.9 and earlier). The arrows should turn opposite so they point 
to what you do, i.e. that "Set RX frequency to TX frequency" points from RX to 
TX. It took me some time to get used to making things "wrong" to get the right 
result. :-)

  

Thank you for continuing the great work! :-)

73, Allan

  

  
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Graphic confusion ;-)

[Keith Maton via wsjt-devel]

I think it’s much more logical now than it was before.

73 Keith G6NHU


> On 1 Dec 2018, at 12:09, Neil Zampella  wrote:
> 
> Allan,
> 
> I'm not sure what you're saying, are you talking about V5?.The arrow to 
> move the RX freq to TX points up (away) from the RX to the TX, and vice 
> versa.   How is that confusing?   Most people love that change. 
> 
> Neil, KN3ILZ
> 
> On 12/1/2018 5:05 AM, m...@oz5xn.dk  wrote:
>> Just a single confusing graphic detail that might be corrected: On the two 
>> buttons for moving TX / RX to the same frequency, the arrows turn 
>> illogically (remains from 1.9 and earlier). The arrows should turn opposite 
>> so they point to what you do, i.e. that "Set RX frequency to TX frequency" 
>> points from RX to TX. It took me some time to get used to making things 
>> "wrong" to get the right result. :-) <>
>>  
>> Thank you for continuing the great work! :-)
>> 73, Allan
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Graphic confusion ;-)

[Neil Zampella]

Allan,

I'm not sure what you're saying, are you talking about V5?. The arrow to 
move the RX freq to TX points up (away) from the RX to the TX, and vice 
versa.   How is that confusing?   Most people love that change.


Neil, KN3ILZ

On 12/1/2018 5:05 AM, m...@oz5xn.dk wrote:


Just a single confusing graphic detail that might be corrected: On the 
two buttons for moving TX / RX to the same frequency, the arrows turn 
illogically (remains from 1.9 and earlier). The arrows should turn 
opposite so they point to what you do, i.e. that "Set RX frequency to 
TX frequency" points from RX to TX. It took me some time to get used 
to making things "wrong" to get the right result. :-)


Thank you for continuing the great work! :-)

73, Allan




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[wsjt-devel] Graphic confusion ;-)

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Just a single confusing graphic detail that might be corrected: On the two
buttons for moving TX / RX to the same frequency, the arrows turn
illogically (remains from 1.9 and earlier). The arrows should turn opposite
so they point to what you do, i.e. that "Set RX frequency to TX frequency"
points from RX to TX. It took me some time to get used to making things
"wrong" to get the right result. :-)

 

Thank you for continuing the great work! :-)

73, Allan

 

 

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