Re: [wsjt-devel] Split operation in VHF and submode features enabled

[Yukio JG1APX via wsjt-devel]

Hi Bill,

Thank you for prompt reply.
I understand your explanation.

I am using Q65A mode with 6mb usually, but I want the split operation to
be normal.  Is there any inconvenience with disabled "VHF and submode
features", though Q65 quick start quide recommends it should be active?
Current RC allows to set "Enable averaging" and "Auto Clear Avg
after decode" even when VHF is disabled at Settings.

73 Yukio
JG1APX 


On Sun, 22 Aug 2021 16:37:07 +0100
Bill Somerville via wsjt-devel  wrote:

> On 22/08/2021 15:35, Yukio JG1APX via wsjt-devel wrote:
> > Hi development teams
> >
> > I apologize my report if it is already known issue and discussed before.
> >
> > OS : Windows 10 pro 21H1
> > Wsjtx : 2.5.0rc5
> > Rig : IC-9700, FT-991A, FTDX-3000, FTDX-101
> >
> > Split operations (Rig and Fake It) are not working properly at JT4, JT9,
> > JT65 and Q65 modes if "VHF and submode features" is enabled.
> > In case of split by "Rig", the frequency of VFO-B (VFO-Sub) becomes the
> > same as VFO-A (VFO-Main).  PTT works with VFO-B or VFO-Sub as usual.
> > In case of "Fake It", VFO-A (VFO-Main) keeps the same frequency as RX.
> > Attached file shows the results.   I quess it is not a Hamlib issue.
> >
> > Is this behavior working programmatically as planned? I find that online
> > user guide has been written on 8.1. VHF Setup, "On the Radio tab select
> > Split Operation (use either Rig or Fake It; you may need to experiment
> > with both options to find one that works best with your radio)".   Split
> > operation seems to be recommended.  However, the note about the behavior
> > could not be found in the manual.
> > Besides, I went back to review older versions, 2.2.0, 2.3.0. and 2.4.0.
> > The results were the same.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Yukio
> > JG1APX
> 
> Hi Yukio-san,
> 
> this is expected behaviour. The modes you mention all have wider variants 
> where forcing the lowest tone above 1500 Hz would cause the modulation to be 
> near or outside of upper bounds of a typical Tx filter.
> 
> 73
> Bill
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> 
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Split operation in VHF and submode features enabled

[Bill Somerville via wsjt-devel]

On 22/08/2021 15:35, Yukio JG1APX via wsjt-devel wrote:

Hi development teams

I apologize my report if it is already known issue and discussed before.

OS : Windows 10 pro 21H1
Wsjtx : 2.5.0rc5
Rig : IC-9700, FT-991A, FTDX-3000, FTDX-101

Split operations (Rig and Fake It) are not working properly at JT4, JT9,
JT65 and Q65 modes if "VHF and submode features" is enabled.
In case of split by "Rig", the frequency of VFO-B (VFO-Sub) becomes the
same as VFO-A (VFO-Main).  PTT works with VFO-B or VFO-Sub as usual.
In case of "Fake It", VFO-A (VFO-Main) keeps the same frequency as RX.
Attached file shows the results.   I quess it is not a Hamlib issue.

Is this behavior working programmatically as planned? I find that online
user guide has been written on 8.1. VHF Setup, "On the Radio tab select
Split Operation (use either Rig or Fake It; you may need to experiment
with both options to find one that works best with your radio)".   Split
operation seems to be recommended.  However, the note about the behavior
could not be found in the manual.
Besides, I went back to review older versions, 2.2.0, 2.3.0. and 2.4.0.
The results were the same.

Best regards,

Yukio
JG1APX


Hi Yukio-san,

this is expected behaviour. The modes you mention all have wider 
variants where forcing the lowest tone above 1500 Hz would cause the 
modulation to be near or outside of upper bounds of a typical Tx filter.


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Bill
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Split operation

[Bill Somerville]

On 13/12/2018 08:17, Tom Ramberg via wsjt-devel wrote:

NB! Don't mark the "Split setting" in WSJT-X as RIG or FAKE. Mark as "None" in 
settings.


Hi Tom,

I am surprised that works and it is certainly not a good suggestion for 
all users. I would expect WSJT-X to disable SPLIT on your rig if you 
have CAT control and "Settings->Radio->Split Operating" as "None", it is 
meant to do that and if it isn't then it is a defect!


The only certain way to do this is to disable CAT by having 
"Settings->Radio->Rig" set to "None".


We may extend the working frequency presets in WSJT-X to allow different 
Rx and Tx frequencies at some point. It is not a trivial enhancement, 
not least as to how to show and enter split frequencies on the main 
windows band/frequency control.


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Re: [wsjt-devel] Split operation

[Tom Ramberg via wsjt-devel]

Bill, I’ve discussed this with Keijo, and this method of working split also 
worked fine, at least with the FT-1000Mp and FTdx3000. I see no reason why it 
shouldn’t work on any radio with dual vfos:

To operate SPLIT (to work JA) on 160 meters:
In WSJT-X set freq. to 1,908 Mhz - will set ur VFO A to 1,908. Set your VFO B 
to 1.840 Mhz. 
Look at manual to see how operate FT-1000MP or FTdx3000 in "SPLIT-FREQUENCY 
OPERATION" - set it op to TX on VFO B and RX on A. 
In that way WSJT-X thinks it's tx' ing on 1908. 
NB! Don't mark the "Split setting" in WSJT-X as RIG or FAKE. Mark as "None" in 
settings. 

73 de Tom OH6VDA

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> 12. des. 2018 kl. 20:10 skrev Bill Somerville :
> 
>> On 12/12/2018 17:45, OG55W wrote:
>> I have tried to find how to operate with split..
>> JA-stations are calling me in 1908 as I am transmitting in 1840, and I do 
>> not hear them as my RX or TX change the frequency.
>> I am not allowed to transmit in 1908.
> 
> Hi Keijo,
> 
> WSJT-X does not support this using CAT control, it conflicts with the way 
> that WSJT-X uses CAT control to clean up Tx signals and extend Tx coverage to 
> at least the Rx pass band.
> 
> You can do what you wish by creating a new configuration 
> ("Menu->Configurations") and in that new configuration turn off CAT control 
> ("Settings->Radio->RIg" as "None"). You can then use SPLIT on your rig just 
> like you would for a CW or phone QSO. Don't forget to set WSJT-X to the 
> correct band so that QSOs get logged on the correct band and PSKReporter 
> spots are accurate. I recommend setting WSJT-X to the Tx dial frequency so 
> that spots are in the JA band segment where the DX is transmitting.
> 
> 73
> Bill
> G4WJS.
> 
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Split operation

[Tom Ramberg via wsjt-devel]

I've sent you a private e-mail with info on how to work JA split on 160.

73 de Tom OH6VDA

> 12. des. 2018 kl. 20:02 skrev OG55W :
> 
> Steven! The waterfall is only 3500 Hz wide and it should be more than 68000 
> Hz wide to hear 1908 kHz.
>  
> Keijo
>  
> From: Steven Greer
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 7:52 PM
> To: wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] Split operation
>  
> Just check the keep TX frequency that way when you transmit you will be 
> transmitting where you set yourself, and the rx will goto the calling 
> station.  Thats how I do it.  Not sure if I'm allowed to comment to the 
> mailing to help others if not just let me know and I won't help out anymore 
> on easy to answer questions.
> 
>> On 12/12/18 12:45 PM, OG55W wrote:
>>  
>> 
>> I have tried to find how to operate with split..
>> JA-stations are calling me in 1908 as I am transmitting in 1840, and I do 
>> not hear them as my RX or TX change the frequency.
>> I am not allowed to transmit in 1908.
>> 
>> Somebody said that use the RIT, but with FT-2000 1908 is too far away…
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 73 Keijo OG55W
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Split operation

[OG55W]

FB! Thanks Bill!
I am not the only one on TOP band, so the info was very welcome!

Keijo

-Alkuperäinen viesti- 
From: Bill Somerville

Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 8:10 PM
To: wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] Split operation

On 12/12/2018 17:45, OG55W wrote:

I have tried to find how to operate with split..
JA-stations are calling me in 1908 as I am transmitting in 1840, and I do 
not hear them as my RX or TX change the frequency.

I am not allowed to transmit in 1908.


Hi Keijo,

WSJT-X does not support this using CAT control, it conflicts with the
way that WSJT-X uses CAT control to clean up Tx signals and extend Tx
coverage to at least the Rx pass band.

You can do what you wish by creating a new configuration
("Menu->Configurations") and in that new configuration turn off CAT
control ("Settings->Radio->RIg" as "None"). You can then use SPLIT on
your rig just like you would for a CW or phone QSO. Don't forget to set
WSJT-X to the correct band so that QSOs get logged on the correct band
and PSKReporter spots are accurate. I recommend setting WSJT-X to the Tx
dial frequency so that spots are in the JA band segment where the DX is
transmitting.

73
Bill
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Split operation

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On 12/12/2018 17:45, OG55W wrote:

I have tried to find how to operate with split..
JA-stations are calling me in 1908 as I am transmitting in 1840, and I 
do not hear them as my RX or TX change the frequency.

I am not allowed to transmit in 1908.


Hi Keijo,

WSJT-X does not support this using CAT control, it conflicts with the 
way that WSJT-X uses CAT control to clean up Tx signals and extend Tx 
coverage to at least the Rx pass band.


You can do what you wish by creating a new configuration 
("Menu->Configurations") and in that new configuration turn off CAT 
control ("Settings->Radio->RIg" as "None"). You can then use SPLIT on 
your rig just like you would for a CW or phone QSO. Don't forget to set 
WSJT-X to the correct band so that QSOs get logged on the correct band 
and PSKReporter spots are accurate. I recommend setting WSJT-X to the Tx 
dial frequency so that spots are in the JA band segment where the DX is 
transmitting.


73
Bill
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Split operation

[OG55W]

Steven! The waterfall is only 3500 Hz wide and it should be more than 68000 Hz 
wide to hear 1908 kHz.

Keijo

From: Steven Greer 
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 7:52 PM
To: wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net 
Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] Split operation

Just check the keep TX frequency that way when you transmit you will be 
transmitting where you set yourself, and the rx will goto the calling station.  
Thats how I do it.  Not sure if I'm allowed to comment to the mailing to help 
others if not just let me know and I won't help out anymore on easy to answer 
questions.


On 12/12/18 12:45 PM, OG55W wrote:

   

  I have tried to find how to operate with split..
  JA-stations are calling me in 1908 as I am transmitting in 1840, and I do not 
hear them as my RX or TX change the frequency.
  I am not allowed to transmit in 1908.

  Somebody said that use the RIT, but with FT-2000 1908 is too far away…

   

  73 Keijo OG55W

   

   


   
   
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Split operation

[Steven Greer]

Just check the keep TX frequency that way when you transmit you will be 
transmitting where you set yourself, and the rx will goto the calling 
station.  Thats how I do it.  Not sure if I'm allowed to comment to the 
mailing to help others if not just let me know and I won't help out 
anymore on easy to answer questions.


On 12/12/18 12:45 PM, OG55W wrote:


I have tried to find how to operate with split..
JA-stations are calling me in 1908 as I am transmitting in 1840, and I 
do not hear them as my RX or TX change the frequency.

I am not allowed to transmit in 1908.

Somebody said that use the RIT, but with FT-2000 1908 is too far away…

73 Keijo OG55W



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[wsjt-devel] Split operation

[OG55W]

I have tried to find how to operate with split..
JA-stations are calling me in 1908 as I am transmitting in 1840, and I do not 
hear them as my RX or TX change the frequency.
I am not allowed to transmit in 1908.

Somebody said that use the RIT, but with FT-2000 1908 is too far away…

73 Keijo OG55W


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Re: [wsjt-devel] Split Operation

[Ed Wilson via wsjt-devel]

Thanks for the good wishes, Morris! I am gradually feeling better...this was my 
first "high-dose" flu shot and probably my last! The amount of antigen is four 
times a standard flu shot.


Ed, K0KC
k0kc@arrl.nethttp://k0kc.us/ 

On Friday, September 29, 2017, 2:22:29 PM EDT, Morris Wideman via 
wsjt-devel  wrote:  
 
  This is where more and better filters would also be useful when the left 
screen is full of calls that have nothing to do with your call or QSO. Hope you 
get to feeling better Ed.73 Morris wa4mit
On Friday, September 29, 2017, 11:03:39 AM CDT, Ed Wilson via wsjt-devel 
 wrote:  
 
 I have been using WSJT-X since its inception and JT65-HF before that. I was 
always one of those "bad guys" who checked the Tx=Rx box unless I was trying to 
contact a DX station where dozens of others were probably calling him or her 
and it made sense to call off-frequency.
Over the past couple of days, I have been trying to train myself to use split 
operation most of the time. I am currently on r8140. I have found that when I 
respond to a CQ off of the caller's frequency, I frequently do not get an 
answer. He or she keeps calling CQ or perhaps responds to someone else. I do 
not expect to make contact with everyone I call, but my success rate is way 
down with split operation.
I believe that the problem is that my response gets "lost" in the left-hand 
window, especially on a busy band. Additionally, people have been conditioned 
over many years of operation to look for a response to their CQ in the 
right-hand window and may not even glance over to the left-hand window.
Would it be possible to have the right-hand window display stations responding 
to a CQ (or others sending my call) rather than calls on the Rx frequency as it 
does now? I believe that this would partially address the concerns that some of 
us have with the double-click now resulting in split operation. Perhaps there 
are disadvantages to this proposal that have not occurred to me yet as I am not 
100% today fighting a reaction to a flu shot; if so, start the "flames" 
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Split Operation

[Ed Wilson via wsjt-devel]

Gary,
I agree that people should notice the red line, but I think they tend to get 
tuned-in to the right-hand window when looking for a response. I know that I 
have missed a couple myself.

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On Friday, September 29, 2017, 2:37:26 PM EDT, Gary McDuffie 
 wrote:  
 
 
> On Sep 29, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Morris Wideman via wsjt-devel 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is where more and better filters would also be useful when the left 
> screen is full of calls that have nothing to do with your call or QSO. Hope 
> you get to feeling better Ed.

If the text has your call in it, it should be in RED and easily visible.  I’ve 
had people call me all over the band and they are always red lines, no matter 
where they are.  They  are very easy to see that way.

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Re: [wsjt-devel] Split Operation

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> On Sep 29, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Morris Wideman via wsjt-devel 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is where more and better filters would also be useful when the left 
> screen is full of calls that have nothing to do with your call or QSO. Hope 
> you get to feeling better Ed.

If the text has your call in it, it should be in RED and easily visible.  I’ve 
had people call me all over the band and they are always red lines, no matter 
where they are.  They  are very easy to see that way.

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Re: [wsjt-devel] Split Operation

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 This is where more and better filters would also be useful when the left 
screen is full of calls that have nothing to do with your call or QSO. Hope you 
get to feeling better Ed.73 Morris wa4mit
On Friday, September 29, 2017, 11:03:39 AM CDT, Ed Wilson via wsjt-devel 
 wrote:  
 
 I have been using WSJT-X since its inception and JT65-HF before that. I was 
always one of those "bad guys" who checked the Tx=Rx box unless I was trying to 
contact a DX station where dozens of others were probably calling him or her 
and it made sense to call off-frequency.
Over the past couple of days, I have been trying to train myself to use split 
operation most of the time. I am currently on r8140. I have found that when I 
respond to a CQ off of the caller's frequency, I frequently do not get an 
answer. He or she keeps calling CQ or perhaps responds to someone else. I do 
not expect to make contact with everyone I call, but my success rate is way 
down with split operation.
I believe that the problem is that my response gets "lost" in the left-hand 
window, especially on a busy band. Additionally, people have been conditioned 
over many years of operation to look for a response to their CQ in the 
right-hand window and may not even glance over to the left-hand window.
Would it be possible to have the right-hand window display stations responding 
to a CQ (or others sending my call) rather than calls on the Rx frequency as it 
does now? I believe that this would partially address the concerns that some of 
us have with the double-click now resulting in split operation. Perhaps there 
are disadvantages to this proposal that have not occurred to me yet as I am not 
100% today fighting a reaction to a flu shot; if so, start the "flames" 
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[wsjt-devel] Split Operation

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I have been using WSJT-X since its inception and JT65-HF before that. I was 
always one of those "bad guys" who checked the Tx=Rx box unless I was trying to 
contact a DX station where dozens of others were probably calling him or her 
and it made sense to call off-frequency.
Over the past couple of days, I have been trying to train myself to use split 
operation most of the time. I am currently on r8140. I have found that when I 
respond to a CQ off of the caller's frequency, I frequently do not get an 
answer. He or she keeps calling CQ or perhaps responds to someone else. I do 
not expect to make contact with everyone I call, but my success rate is way 
down with split operation.
I believe that the problem is that my response gets "lost" in the left-hand 
window, especially on a busy band. Additionally, people have been conditioned 
over many years of operation to look for a response to their CQ in the 
right-hand window and may not even glance over to the left-hand window.
Would it be possible to have the right-hand window display stations responding 
to a CQ (or others sending my call) rather than calls on the Rx frequency as it 
does now? I believe that this would partially address the concerns that some of 
us have with the double-click now resulting in split operation. Perhaps there 
are disadvantages to this proposal that have not occurred to me yet as I am not 
100% today fighting a reaction to a flu shot; if so, start the "flames" 
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