Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X need to log the end time of QSO not the start
Jim For your info - we don’t really need to keep a log unless asked to do so. > 12(1) For the purposes of any interference investigation, to determine > compliance with the terms, conditions and limitations of this Licence, or for > any other matter concerning the enforcement of any relevant legislation, the > Licensee shall at the request of a person authorised by Ofcom, keep a > permanent record (a “log”) of such matters concerning the operation of the > Radio Equipment, over such period, and in such form, as the authorised person > may require. However, it is handy in-case there are ‘interference’ or ‘Bad signal’ reports - in advance of being asked. Also with some of the longer communications methods - Meter Scatter etc. the ‘length of the QSO is handy. 73’s Tom GM8MJV On 2 Aug 2018, at 17:28, Jim Brown wrote: > On 8/1/2018 6:00 PM, Ed Stallman wrote: >> Love both FT8 and N1MM + logger, > > So do I, but only for contest logging. My primary log is DXKeeper, which DOES > record start and stop times, and is designed to be a general purpose logger. > N1MM doesn't bother with start and stop times because contest QSOs are > intentionally too short for that to matter. WSJT-X integrates very well with > DXKeeper and with N1MM when used with JTAlert. I used it that way in the > recent CQWW VHF contest. Outside of contests, I log directly to DXKeeper. > > I don't know the law in the UK, but the logging requirement for US hams was > eliminated MANY years ago. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X need to log the end time of QSO not the start
On 8/1/2018 6:00 PM, Ed Stallman wrote: Love both FT8 and N1MM + logger, So do I, but only for contest logging. My primary log is DXKeeper, which DOES record start and stop times, and is designed to be a general purpose logger. N1MM doesn't bother with start and stop times because contest QSOs are intentionally too short for that to matter. WSJT-X integrates very well with DXKeeper and with N1MM when used with JTAlert. I used it that way in the recent CQWW VHF contest. Outside of contests, I log directly to DXKeeper. I don't know the law in the UK, but the logging requirement for US hams was eliminated MANY years ago. 73, Jim K9YC -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X need to log the end time of QSO not the start
Ed, Just my 2p worth There will be a LOT of flack if wsjt was to just log the end time - I want to know when I started the QSO not when finished - thankfully I use a ‘Normal’ logger that handles start/finish times and all works as it should. It keeps me within the terms of my licence - recording when ‘on’ the air. I have been monitoring the wsjt forums for quite a while now and this is the 1st time seen this so I don’t think you will get much support for a change. There is an obvious solution but as you have said you like using a contest logger and won’t change. The N1MM software _could_ record both timestamps and only export the end time to the cabrillo log but looks like that is not an option either. 73’s Tom GM8MJV On 2 Aug 2018, at 02:00, Ed Stallman wrote: > Please read from bottom up... I started this message with the Yahoo WSJT-X > group , I was told this is an N1MM + issue . So I sent the message to the > N1MM + user group and as you can read below , I'm told the issue is with > WSJT=X > I'm only a user of N1MM + and WSJT-X FT8 mode ! In WSJT-X settings / > Reporting ( N1MM logger + Broadcast ) I have checked Enable logged contact > ADIF .. Now if the log time was at the end of the QSO , Club Log , LoTW and > the user's would all be happy. > > Now all this is not really a big issue , I can mentally detect the QSO is > taking a long time and edit the time when QSO is complete > Love both FT8 and N1MM + logger, Ed N5DG > > > > Amplifying what Steve says, in a contest, a QSO must be *completed* before > the end of the contest. If it is not, it doesn't count. Since there is only > one timestamp in a Cabrillo log, it should be the ending time of the contact. > > 73, > > Tom - N1MM > > > On 8/1/2018 6:41 PM, Steve London wrote: > I have brought up this issue on WSJT-X forums in the context of the LoTW time > match window. When normally logging a QSO in N1MM+, without WSJT, the > completion time of the QSO is finished and logged. I consider that to be > correct. As you have noticed, WSJT sends the start time to N1MM+. IMHO, that > is not correct. WSJT-X folks have a different opinion. You really should take > up this issue with the WSJT-X folks. > > 73, > Steve, N2IC > > On 08/01/2018 04:29 PM, ed.n...@gmail.com wrote: > This may have been discussed and I missed it . I worked and logged Z66X on > 10m FT8 , it was not an easy contact . I would stop and start again as QSB > permitted . After receiving and sending 73's I clicked log it in the WSJT > program and WSJT sends the Q to N1MM plus . Now a few days later I'm filling > in date and time using Club Log OQRS and I was not getting a match . I > remembered , I made a WSJT screenshot . My screenshot time was 26 minutes > later then the time WSJT / N1MM+ logged the QSO ! Entering the screenshot > time was a match in club log . > > Now I'm keeping a close eye on the WSJT log time and it appears to use only > the start time when sending to N1MM+ or should I say N1MM only grabs the > start time > > I see WSJT has a start and end time so It would be great if N1MM+ would use > the end time , or both ... > > Now I know N1MM + is a contest log and I'm using iit as a general log but > that is because I like it and won't use any other logging software . I'm only > asking for a simple change and can't see it making a bit of difference for > contester logging the start or the end of the QSO . > > If I'm asking for to much , It's simple ... If my DX QSO is timely, I'll > change the time manually but I will not stop using N1MM Logger > > Thanks for reading, Good luck with ur contesting, Ed N5DG > > > Virus-free. www.avg.com > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! > http://sdm.link/slashdot___ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
[wsjt-devel] WSJT-X need to log the end time of QSO not the start
Please read from bottom up... I started this message with the Yahoo WSJT-X group , I was told this is an N1MM + issue . So I sent the message to the N1MM + user group and as you can read below , I'm told the issue is with WSJT=X I'm only a user of N1MM + and WSJT-X FT8 mode ! In WSJT-X settings / Reporting ( N1MM logger + Broadcast ) I have checked Enable logged contact ADIF .. Now if the log time was at the end of the QSO , Club Log , LoTW and the user's would all be happy. Now all this is not really a big issue , I can mentally detect the QSO is taking a long time and edit the time when QSO is complete Love both FT8 and N1MM + logger, Ed N5DG Amplifying what Steve says, in a contest, a QSO must be *completed* before the end of the contest. If it is not, it doesn't count. Since there is only one timestamp in a Cabrillo log, it should be the ending time of the contact. 73, Tom - N1MM On 8/1/2018 6:41 PM, Steve London wrote: I have brought up this issue on WSJT-X forums in the context of the LoTW time match window. When normally logging a QSO in N1MM+, without WSJT, the completion time of the QSO is finished and logged. I consider that to be correct. As you have noticed, WSJT sends the start time to N1MM+. IMHO, that is not correct. WSJT-X folks have a different opinion. You really should take up this issue with the WSJT-X folks. 73, Steve, N2IC On 08/01/2018 04:29 PM, ed.n...@gmail.com wrote: This may have been discussed and I missed it . I worked and logged Z66X on 10m FT8 , it was not an easy contact . I would stop and start again as QSB permitted . After receiving and sending 73's I clicked log it in the WSJT program and WSJT sends the Q to N1MM plus . Now a few days later I'm filling in date and time using Club Log OQRS and I was not getting a match . I remembered , I made a WSJT screenshot . My screenshot time was 26 minutes later then the time WSJT / N1MM+ logged the QSO ! Entering the screenshot time was a match in club log . Now I'm keeping a close eye on the WSJT log time and it appears to use only the start time when sending to N1MM+ or should I say N1MM only grabs the start time I see WSJT has a start and end time so It would be great if N1MM+ would use the end time , or both ... Now I know N1MM + is a contest log and I'm using iit as a general log but that is because I like it and won't use any other logging software . I'm only asking for a simple change and can't see it making a bit of difference for contester logging the start or the end of the QSO . If I'm asking for to much , It's simple ... If my DX QSO is timely, I'll change the time manually but I will not stop using N1MM Logger Thanks for reading, Good luck with ur contesting, Ed N5DG --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel