[Xpert]Radeon 7000 QD (32Mb DDR)

2002-01-05 Thread Derek J Witt

Good day, everyone.  I have found a way to get this card to work with
XFree86 4.1.0.  I had to recompile the kernel with the AGP support module
(agpgart), the Radeon framebuffer modules (radeonfb), and the DRM updates
from dri.sourceforge.net.  I am using the 2.4.17 kernel.  The framebuffer
module has to be compiled as a module. If it's compiled into the kernel,
the scrolling mechanism is messed up; I get just a one-line buffer at the
top of the screen (overlapping the tux logo) until the screen is cleared
(via clear).

Then in my XF86Config-4 file, I put this into my Device section:

Section Device
Driver  radeon
VideoRam 32768
Option  UseDepthMoves
Option  UseFBDev
EndSection

Now, UseFBDev must be in there, or XFree86 will either say no screens
found or the monitor will go on standby and freeze the computer.

I have found that the ATI2 drivers from the Gatos project will not work
with this card. The monitor ends up going into standby and the computer
hard locks.

But now, I get full GLX support. glxgears reports  900 fps.

Just my experience with this.

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[Xpert]Re: Xfree 4.1, Matrox G-450 Dualhead questions

2002-01-05 Thread Dmitry Yu. Bolkhovityanov

On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:50:18 -0800, Tom Manning wrote:

 I've been reading everything I can find on this card, and there's so
 much conflicting and outdated info out there I'm getting confused.  I'm
 running Mandrake 8.1 on an older Pentium II, with a BX chipset.  

 **I know some of these questions are newbie type questions, but if I
 fully understood the howtos and such I wouldn't ask, so please bare with
 me :-)**
 
 I'm considering buying a G450 for dualhead on my machine, but I want to
 know if I can hook up a 19 (primary) monitor and a 15 (satellite)
 monitor with few problems, at different resolutions. I've heard that
 matrox has antialiasing problems with their drivers though. Is that
 still true? Does anyone have specifics? Can I run it in Xinerama, with
 one big desktop, at different resolutions? Do I have to, or can I have
 two separate desktops running, just sacrificing the ability to move
 windows from one screen to the other?

You can easily do what you want.

Regarding antialiasing: there were some problems with Render
extension (which does antialiasing) in dualhead config, but they are fixed
now (don't remember exactly whether in XFree86 or in Matrox's driver).

Regarding one big desktop (Xinerama) in different resolutions:
this setup will work, but support in some window managers can be lacking.
In short: the problem is a presence of a black hole (see picture),

+--+-+
|  | 800x|
| 1600x| 600 |
| 1200 |-+
|  |  -- black hole
+--+

which isn't visible on any of the displays and isn't reachable by mouse.
The part of the problem is not WMs, but Xinerama-unaware toolkits, which
can wish to place some dialog windows into that area.  At least FVWM has a
feature to move all such windows into visible space.  Other Xinerama-aware 
WMs (I've made a quick survey of almost all of them, except AfterStep)
should at least do *their* placement correctly.

 In short, why would I NOT want to buy this card?

The only reason can be 3D, which is not bleeding edge on Matrox.

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Re: [Xpert]Radeon 7000 QD (32Mb DDR)

2002-01-05 Thread Vladimir Dergachev



On Sat, 5 Jan 2002, Derek J Witt wrote:

 Good day, everyone.  I have found a way to get this card to work with
 XFree86 4.1.0.  I had to recompile the kernel with the AGP support module
 (agpgart), the Radeon framebuffer modules (radeonfb), and the DRM updates
 from dri.sourceforge.net.  I am using the 2.4.17 kernel.  The framebuffer
 module has to be compiled as a module. If it's compiled into the kernel,
 the scrolling mechanism is messed up; I get just a one-line buffer at the
 top of the screen (overlapping the tux logo) until the screen is cleared
 (via clear).
 
 Then in my XF86Config-4 file, I put this into my Device section:
 
 Section Device
   Driver  radeon
   VideoRam 32768
   Option  UseDepthMoves
   Option  UseFBDev
 EndSection
 
 Now, UseFBDev must be in there, or XFree86 will either say no screens
 found or the monitor will go on standby and freeze the computer.
 
 I have found that the ATI2 drivers from the Gatos project will not work
 with this card. The monitor ends up going into standby and the computer
 hard locks.

Which drivers ? If you have tried the latest ones they will not work with
standard dri modules (and will produce a lockup). 

As for monitor going into standby try using Option CrtScreen.

 Vladimir Dergachev

 
 But now, I get full GLX support. glxgears reports  900 fps.
 
 Just my experience with this.
 
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Re: [Xpert]*Severe* time lossage with XF86 4.1.0 and S3Virge MX LCD

2002-01-05 Thread Kevin Brosius

Kenneth Crudup wrote:
 

...

 
  It could also be that your video card has an interrupt line that is
  assigned (check in BIOS).
 
 It's a laptop- I can't check it in the BIOS, but /proc/pci and
 /proc/interrupts say no.
 

The BIOS doesn't contain this setting?  (I've yet to meet a laptop
without a BIOS setup.)  I checked /proc here, and /proc/pci does change
when I modify the BIOS 'assign IRQ to VGA' setting by adding a IRQ
number to the end of the device line (like this example, from a laptop):
  Bus  0, device   8, function  0:
VGA compatible controller: Neomagic Corporation [MagicMedia 256AV]
(rev 32).
  IRQ 9.
When the BIOS setting is off, the only difference seems to be removal of
the 'IRQ 9' part.

However, /proc/interrupts is not an indicator.  It shows no change. 
Only devices which are tied to kernel drivers are listed here.

If you want to really cut back the virge driver, try the following; you
listed:

---
Section Device
Identifier  S3 ViRGE/MX
VendorName  S3
Driver  s3virge
BoardName   ViRGE/MX
Option  fifo_aggressive
Option  pci_burst
Option  pci_retry
EndSection
---

Comment out the options:
Option  fifo_aggressive
Option  pci_burst
Option  pci_retry
and add
Option  noaccel

then try your test again.  Also, verify again that an IRQ doesn't appear
in /proc/pci.  If you do run this, I'd be interested in seeing the log
file again.  Don't know if anyone else cares, so feel free to send it to
me privately.

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Re: [Xpert]CVS borkage

2002-01-05 Thread Ali Akcaagac

On Sat, 2002-01-05 at 13:35, Jon Dixon wrote:
  attachment contains detailed output.
 
 The same happened to me the other night on 2 occasions. On both occasions all 
 I did was remove references to sis/SiS from the relevant makefiles.
 
 Didn't log where it did it - sorry - but I can vouch for it fixing it.

well, i was able solving all issues by commenting the lines out. but i
vote for a REAL fix :)

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RE: [Xpert]CVS borkage

2002-01-05 Thread Jon Dixon

-Original Message-
From: Ali Akcaagac [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 05 January 2002 12:49
To: Jon Dixon
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Subject: Re: [Xpert]CVS borkage

well, i was able solving all issues by commenting the lines out. but i
vote for a REAL fix :)

Especially for those who have the card it's needed for :)) Personally, I
have a Radeon ...

Rgds

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Re: [Xpert]Radeon 7000 QD (32Mb DDR)

2002-01-05 Thread Derrik Pates

On Sat, 5 Jan 2002, Mike Mestnik wrote:

 Is this really worth trying, dose this enable direct rendering?
 Can you play Quake Arena (The only thing that matters!)?
 I have a Radeon 8500 might this work with my card to?

No. The Radeon 7000/7200/7500 boards's display controller is closely
related to the original Radeon, enough so that this should theoretically
work. The 8500, however, has some significant differences from both the
7x00 Radeons and the original Radeon that make it truly incompatible
with XFree86 4.1.0's Radeon driver. However, there's a 2D-only Radeon 8500
driver in XFree CVS now, which would at least get the board working.

I don't know ATI's intentions as far at Linux 3D support for the Radeon
8500 goes though. Anyone else know what the scoop is there?

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[Xpert]next binary version of XFree86 ?

2002-01-05 Thread Jacek Popawski

Sometime ago I wrote here about problems with Radeon and undefined symbols.
Yes, it was bad installation problem. CVS version compiles, but only partial.
There is problem with compiling os-support/linux (tested on 2 different systems
with gcc-2.95.3 and latest Linux kernels (some problem with SIS?)), so I
skipped few directories, and now it works. 
The problem is new RTCW demo doesn't work (hangs whole system, oldest demo and
other OpenGL apps work correctly), so maybe it is the reason.  I can't use
XFree86-4.1.0 with Radeon VE, so I want to ask when next XFree86 version is
going to be released, or where can I download any binary post-4.1.0 versions?

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Re: [Xpert]*Severe* time lossage with XF86 4.1.0 and S3Virge MX LCD

2002-01-05 Thread Kenneth Crudup

On Sat, 5 Jan 2002, Kevin Brosius wrote:

   It could also be that your video card has an interrupt line that is
   assigned (check in BIOS).

 The BIOS doesn't contain this setting?  (I've yet to meet a laptop
 without a BIOS setup.)

I *have* a BIOS setup. I don't have any settings for much, including
VGA IRQ assignment.

FWIW:

Bus  0, device   8, function  0:
VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. ViRGE/MX (rev 6).
  Master Capable.  No bursts.  Min Gnt=4.Max Lat=255.
  Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xc000 [0xc3ff].


 If you want to really cut back the virge driver, try the following;

snip

I did all that already. No difference.

 If you do run this, I'd be interested in seeing the log
 file again.  Don't know if anyone else cares, so feel free to send it to
 me privately.

Will do.

-Kenny

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[Xpert]Re: Radeon 7000 QD (32Mb DDR)

2002-01-05 Thread Derek J Witt

Yeah, I was using the latest XFree86 4.1.0 drivers from GATOS's web site
and DRM drivers from there, too.  Hmm... Using CrtScreen should fix that
standby problem?  Is the framebuffer still needed for the radeaon X
driver? On my roommate's Gateway 2k box here, I have it running the
framebuffer and specifying the amount of vram in XF86Config-4.

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Re: [Xpert]*Severe* time lossage with XF86 4.1.0 and S3Virge MX LCD

2002-01-05 Thread John Tapsell

On Saturday 05 January 2002 18:26, you wrote:
 On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, John Tapsell wrote:
  but could you try with the latest 2.4 kernel?  just to check - thanks.

 Tried *that*, too: 2.2.19, 2.4.4, 2.4.17 . No difference. If I'd had the
 right binutils, I'd've checked against 2.5.1, but I'm sure it wouldn't
 have mattered.

downgrade your binutils :)
Or use 2.5.1-mjc1 or later which uses my patch to fix this problem - don't 
think it is completely fixed yet tho (do you know how many drivers there 
are.. sigh)

uh, but no point doing this for this problem tho.

JohnFlux


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Re: [Xpert]Radeon 7000 QD (32Mb DDR)

2002-01-05 Thread Vladimir Dergachev



  
  I have found that the ATI2 drivers from the Gatos project will not work
  with this card. The monitor ends up going into standby and the computer
  hard locks.
  
  But now, I get full GLX support. glxgears reports  900 fps.
  
  Just my experience with this.
  
 
 Is this really worth trying, dose this enable direct rendering?
 Can you play Quake Arena (The only thing that matters!)?


 I have a Radeon 8500 might this work with my card to?

No, it won't. Radeon 8500 has a different 3d pipeline.

  Vladimir Dergachev

 
 
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Re: [Xpert]Radeon 7000 QD (32Mb DDR)

2002-01-05 Thread Vladimir Dergachev



On Sat, 5 Jan 2002, Derrik Pates wrote:

 On Sat, 5 Jan 2002, Mike Mestnik wrote:
 
  Is this really worth trying, dose this enable direct rendering?
  Can you play Quake Arena (The only thing that matters!)?
  I have a Radeon 8500 might this work with my card to?
 
 No. The Radeon 7000/7200/7500 boards's display controller is closely
 related to the original Radeon, enough so that this should theoretically
 work. The 8500, however, has some significant differences from both the
 7x00 Radeons and the original Radeon that make it truly incompatible
 with XFree86 4.1.0's Radeon driver. However, there's a 2D-only Radeon 8500
 driver in XFree CVS now, which would at least get the board working.
 
 I don't know ATI's intentions as far at Linux 3D support for the Radeon
 8500 goes though. Anyone else know what the scoop is there?

They do make available register-level docs and sample code under NDA to
some developers. So at some point this will be supported. (and if someone
wants to work on this - send me an e-mail off the list. be warned though -
making DRI support for 8500 will require copious amounts of your time).
   
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Re: [Xpert]Re: Radeon 7000 QD (32Mb DDR)

2002-01-05 Thread Vladimir Dergachev



On Sat, 5 Jan 2002, Derek J Witt wrote:

 Yeah, I was using the latest XFree86 4.1.0 drivers from GATOS's web site

I do suggest you get 4.1.99.4+ from XFree CVS and use
checkpoint_3 tagged CVS from GATOS. GATOS 4.1.0 drivers have not been
updated since the switch to XFree86 CVS codebase..

   Vladimir Dergachev

 and DRM drivers from there, too.  Hmm... Using CrtScreen should fix that
 standby problem?  Is the framebuffer still needed for the radeaon X
 driver? On my roommate's Gateway 2k box here, I have it running the
 framebuffer and specifying the amount of vram in XF86Config-4.
 
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[Xpert]ATI Radeon 8500 on RedHat 7.2?

2002-01-05 Thread Tony Libby








Installed Linux 7.2, my ATI Radeon
8500 video card was not detected and is not in the driver list.



I tried selecting the generic ATI Radeon
driver and various other drivers that I thought might work.  Each time the screen just
go blank when I test the video mode.



After booting, startx just blanks
the screen and generates a bunch of stuff, of interest
is the bit about the ATI Radeon driver.  Of course, 8500 is not in the list.



Anyone have any ideas of how I might get X to work with this
card?



Thanks,

-Tony








Re: [Xpert]ATI Radeon 8500 on RedHat 7.2?

2002-01-05 Thread Panagiotis Papadakos

You have to get the current Xfree CVS.The driver does not support 3D.

Panagiotis Papadakos

On Sat, 5 Jan 2002, Tony Libby wrote:

 Installed Linux 7.2, my ATI Radeon 8500 video card was not detected and
 is not in the driver list.

 I tried selecting the generic ATI Radeon driver and various other
 drivers that I thought might work.  Each time the screen just go blank
 when I test the video mode.

 After booting, startx just blanks the screen and generates a bunch of
 stuff, of interest is the bit about the ATI Radeon driver.  Of course,
 8500 is not in the list.

 Anyone have any ideas of how I might get X to work with this card?

 Thanks,
 -Tony


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Re: [Xpert]ATI Radeon 8500 on RedHat 7.2?

2002-01-05 Thread Vladimir Dergachev



On Sat, 5 Jan 2002, Tony Libby wrote:

 Installed Linux 7.2, my ATI Radeon 8500 video card was not detected and
 is not in the driver list.
  
 I tried selecting the generic ATI Radeon driver and various other
 drivers that I thought might work.  Each time the screen just go blank
 when I test the video mode.
  
 After booting, startx just blanks the screen and generates a bunch of
 stuff, of interest is the bit about the ATI Radeon driver.  Of course,
 8500 is not in the list.
  
 Anyone have any ideas of how I might get X to work with this card?

Try 
  Option crt_screen

or 

  Option CrtScreen

 Vladimir Dergachev

  
 Thanks,
 -Tony
 

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[Xpert]Special keys on laptop keyboard

2002-01-05 Thread Lennart Poettering

Foo!

On my laptop from Medion I have four special keys on the upper right
corner of the keyboard. I want use them under XFree4. Unfortunately
they seem to produce the keycodes 107, 110, 111, 113. On my keymap
these are mapped onto Print, Delete, Pause and Mode_switch. It seems
as if they were not distuingishable from the real Print, Delte, Pause
and Mode_switch keys from within Xfree. The linux console driver is
able to distuingish the keys as the four extra keys produce
unrecognized scancode messages in the kernel logs with scancodes of
67, 63, 66, 69.

How can I teach Xfree to handle those keys in a sensible way? Anybody
can help me with that?

I am currently using XFree 4.1.0.1 (Debian Sid on x86) and the
keyboard part of XF86Config-4 looks like that:

snip
Section InputDevice
Identifier  Generic Keyboard
Driver  keyboard
Option  CoreKeyboard
Option  XkbRules  xfree86
Option  XkbModel  pc105
Option  XkbLayout de
EndSection
/snip

Thank you very much in advance,
 Lennart Poettering

PS: Please reply directly to my email address, as I am not subscribed
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[Xpert]DVI Digital Output with Radeon

2002-01-05 Thread Alan Lue

Hi,

I'm using an ATI All-In-Wonder Radeon AGP card on a
Samsung SyncMaster 170T digital flat panel.

I've started using a bunch of CVS code: XFree86
4.1.99.4, the ati.2 checkpoint_3 drivers, and the
drm_kernel checkpoint_3 code.  Everything's working
very well, except that I get the error

(EE) RADEON(0): [agp] AGP not available

in /var/log/XFree86.0.log, which I suspect has
something to do with the fact that I'm using a
motherboard w/an AMD 761 chipset.  Although dmesg
output indicates that it loads properly:

Linux agpgart interface v0.99 (c) Jeff Hartmann
agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp
memory: 816M
agpgart: Detected AMD 761 chipset
agpgart: AGP aperture is 128M @ 0xd000

XFree86 still reports that AGP is not available. 
Anyway, I'm not so concerned about getting agp and dri
working.

I can live without dri, but I really want to get a
digital signal on my flat panel.  Right now I have the
monitor directly connected to the card with a DVI-I
cable.  I'm able to receive an analog DVI signal, but
I don't seem to be receiving a digital one.  Does
anyone have any ideas as to how I can get digital DVI
output with either XFree86 4.1.0 or 4.1.99.x?

Thanks,
Alan

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[Xpert]Using XFree86 CVS Code on Red Hat 7.2

2002-01-05 Thread Alan Lue

Hello,

I'm pretty new to Linux, so please forgive the
generality of my question. =)

How would I go about integrating compiled XFree86 CVS
code with a complete Linux distribution?  More
specifically I'd like to install XFree86 4.1.99.4 on a
Red Hat 7.2 system, which uses XFree86 4.1.0.  I don't
know too much about the X windows system and thought
that if I were to just install the new version of X
over the old one, then I might run into somekind of
incompatibility issue.

So far I've just backed up and removed /usr/X11R6 and
ran 'make install' w/X 4.1.99.4; things are working,
but I don't have any of my /usr/X11R6/bin programs. 
Is there another approach besides installing over the
old X windows files?  Would that even work?

Alan

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Re: [Xpert]SOLVED- *Severe* time lossage with XF86 4.1.0 and S3VirgeMX LCD

2002-01-05 Thread Kenneth Crudup


*grumble*

(I *swear* I'd tested with only a clean weave only before, but )

So, I narrowed it down to the use of APM. If APM was enabled in the kernel,
*no matter* what options were set in XFree86, I'd get clock slowdowns. So,
I umounted /proc, and tried it again- no slowdown! I downloaded the code,
looked at the linux-specific APM stuff, and even binary edited XFree86 so
that it wouldn't try and open /proc/apm (and by extention, /dev/apm_bios) -
but that didn't work either. So, although I *swear* I started X in a known
minimal state when trying these tests before, I started looking at my
default X applications.

Turns out that in my .xinitrc is this line:

  xapm -geometry 150x20+0-0 

and man xapm has this little gem:


-delay delay
   Sets the number of seconds delay between each update.  The default is 1.


Figuring that the BIOS call is expensive, I changed that default value to be
120 seconds, and sure enough, that appears to have fixed things.

(Doing a fuser /proc/apm makes it appear that the device is opened *every*
time it's read, which can't be good for thruput, as God only knows what the
apm proc driver has to do on that open()- so I'll be sending a note to
the Xapm maintainer about that and maybe changing the default polling
time, too if when I download the latest version things work the same.)

My apologies to the Xfree project; your product in fact works very well.

-Kenny, glad this is over

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2002-01-05 Thread Joao S Veiga

Hi,

I´ve got a Toshiba Satellite 1805-S254 with the same Trident Cyber 
Aladdin-T video adapter this week.

I was looking for a way to configure XFree86 with Linux on the web, and 
found your questions.

I found my answer at:
http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/linux/portege4000.html (thanks Jani - if I 
sorted your email right...)

I adapted my XF86Config-4 from Jani´s file (mine is available below).

My laptop isn´t the same model as Jani´s, so here´s a small overview of 
the whole installation (sorry if it´s partially off-topic to Xpert):

1. It comes with Windows XP Home Edition in an NTFS partition. AFAIK, 
there´s not way to reinstall from the recovery CDs choosing FAT32. I´ve 
Partition-Magicked 7.02 it to shrink the NTFS partition and then converted 
it to FAT32 to be able to dual-boot (grub) and read-write to the XP 
partition. DON´T TRY TO USE PQBOOT. I tried and got a bluescreen on the 
next XP boot - booted RH rescue, reinstalled grub on MBR, ok.

2. Installed RH7.2 and all the updates, then upgraded the kernel to 
2.4.17. You can get my /usr/src/linux/.config at 
http://rf.com.br/files/Toshiba_1805-S254_Kernel_2.4.17.config.txt. It´s 
what I´m using now. You can copy to your .config and ¨edit¨ it with make 
menuconfig. I have the sound, ethernet, X, and usb working. Haven´t tried
the modem (I don´t dialup).

3. Tried all I knew to try to make X work with XF86_SVGA (3.3.6) (it 
thinks the board is a TGUI9420dgi or something, but the max dot-clock is 
too low for 1024x768). Then I tried the XFree86 server (4.1.0) with the 
trident driver. No good.

4. Finally found Jani´s page with the answer. Adapted my 
/etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (available at 
http://rf.com.br/files/Toshiba_1805-S254_XF86Config-4.txt) according to 
his config file, to use the vesa driver. If you look at my
kernel config, you´ll see I don´t have the kernel vesa fb support; XFree86 
is using its own.

It is working fine. I don´t think it can play decent DVDs on it, but it´s 
good enough for me (and even for 320x240 15fps mpegs).

Drop me an email if you need more info.

Joao S Veiga


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Re: [Xpert]DVI Digital Output with Radeon

2002-01-05 Thread Vladimir Dergachev



On Sat, 5 Jan 2002, Alan Lue wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I'm using an ATI All-In-Wonder Radeon AGP card on a
 Samsung SyncMaster 170T digital flat panel.
 
 I've started using a bunch of CVS code: XFree86
 4.1.99.4, the ati.2 checkpoint_3 drivers, and the
 drm_kernel checkpoint_3 code.  Everything's working
 very well, except that I get the error
 
 (EE) RADEON(0): [agp] AGP not available
 
 in /var/log/XFree86.0.log, which I suspect has
 something to do with the fact that I'm using a
 motherboard w/an AMD 761 chipset.  Although dmesg
 output indicates that it loads properly:
 
 Linux agpgart interface v0.99 (c) Jeff Hartmann
 agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp
 memory: 816M
 agpgart: Detected AMD 761 chipset
 agpgart: AGP aperture is 128M @ 0xd000
 
 XFree86 still reports that AGP is not available. 
 Anyway, I'm not so concerned about getting agp and dri
 working.
 
 I can live without dri, but I really want to get a
 digital signal on my flat panel.  Right now I have the
 monitor directly connected to the card with a DVI-I
 cable.  I'm able to receive an analog DVI signal, but
 I don't seem to be receiving a digital one.  Does
 anyone have any ideas as to how I can get digital DVI
 output with either XFree86 4.1.0 or 4.1.99.x?

If you have an option CrtScreen in your /etc/XF86Config
try commenting it out. Also there is an option called 
PanelSize - I don't know what it is doing. Lastly, some 
flat panels only have analog input..

  Vladimir Dergachev

 
 Thanks,
 Alan
 
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Re: [Xpert]SOLVED- *Severe* time lossage with XF86 4.1.0 and S3VirgeMX LCD

2002-01-05 Thread Vladimir Dergachev



On Sat, 5 Jan 2002, Kenneth Crudup wrote:

 
 *grumble*
 
 (I *swear* I'd tested with only a clean weave only before, but )
 
 So, I narrowed it down to the use of APM. If APM was enabled in the kernel,
 *no matter* what options were set in XFree86, I'd get clock slowdowns. So,
 I umounted /proc, and tried it again- no slowdown! I downloaded the code,
 looked at the linux-specific APM stuff, and even binary edited XFree86 so
 that it wouldn't try and open /proc/apm (and by extention, /dev/apm_bios) -
 but that didn't work either. So, although I *swear* I started X in a known
 minimal state when trying these tests before, I started looking at my
 default X applications.
 
 Turns out that in my .xinitrc is this line:
 
   xapm -geometry 150x20+0-0 
 
 and man xapm has this little gem:
 
 
 -delay delay
Sets the number of seconds delay between each update.  The default is 1.
 
 
 Figuring that the BIOS call is expensive, I changed that default value to be
 120 seconds, and sure enough, that appears to have fixed things.
 
 (Doing a fuser /proc/apm makes it appear that the device is opened *every*
 time it's read, which can't be good for thruput, as God only knows what the
 apm proc driver has to do on that open()- so I'll be sending a note to
 the Xapm maintainer about that and maybe changing the default polling
 time, too if when I download the latest version things work the same.)
 
 My apologies to the Xfree project; your product in fact works very well.

Take a look in your linux kernel configuration - is disable interrupts
during APM calls option enabled ?

  Vladimir Dergachev

 
   -Kenny, glad this is over
 
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Re: [Xpert]SOLVED- *Severe* time lossage with XF86 4.1.0 and S3VirgeMX LCD

2002-01-05 Thread Kenneth Crudup

On Sat, 5 Jan 2002, Vladimir Dergachev wrote:

 Take a look in your linux kernel configuration - is disable interrupts
 during APM calls option enabled ?

No. But, it didn't make a difference, anyway. Evidently, calls into the APM
BIOS are expensive, and for all I know, the BIOS is shutting IRQs off (I'm not
that impressed with that laptop's BIOS overall- the config options are more
limited than any machine I've seen in recent memory).

-Kenny

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Re: [Xpert]Laptop backlight question

2002-01-05 Thread rjh

On  4 Jan, Kenneth Crudup wrote:
 On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Kevin Brosius wrote:
 
 Does 'xset dpms force off' turn off the backlight on that machine?
 
 First thing I tried.
 

I've lost track of which chip you are dealing with.  For the R128 chip I
found that the DPMS only shuts down video output.  It does not activate
any of the other power saving modes.  This is for a good reason (at
least as default).  Undesirable interactions were reported with the APM
support when the X DPMS code used these other commands.

In my case I do not want APM or ACPI to activate.  I am cutting power in
a server environment, and the APM/ACPI is aimed more at single user
systems like laptops.  Also, the Linux APM/ACPI support remains flakey.
So I modified the R128 DPMS code to not only cut the video output, but
also to activate the shutdown for other parts of the controller.  I can
post the diffs if this helps.

This does raise a question for X users in general.  Should there be an
option to enable a more aggressive power management when DPMS is used?
This would probably interfere with APM/ACPI, so the option would need
appropriate warnings.  But it would help the multi-user systems that
need a more selective power management control.  I my situation, power
management consists of killing sound and display after idle, and
controlling idle spindown time on selected disk drives.  Some disks must
remain spinning to meet response goals.  Others can be spun down.  The
CPU must always remain ready for immediate response.

R Horn

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Re: [Xpert]Laptop backlight question

2002-01-05 Thread Kenneth Crudup

On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've lost track of which chip you are dealing with.

S3 Virge MX.

 For the R128 chip I found that the DPMS only shuts down video output.

I'd expect that, but I was under the impression that there was code
specifically for the MX (an LCD-specific chip) that could shut down
the associated backlight, too.

-Kenny

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Re: [Xpert]DVI Digital Output with Radeon

2002-01-05 Thread Vladimir Dergachev


Well, this is the limit of my suggestions - I never tried Radeon AIW with 
a panel. Can you e-mail XFree log (/var/log/XFree86.0.log) to me ? (off
the list)..

Vladimir Dergachev

On Sat, 5 Jan 2002, Alan Lue wrote:

 The only option I have in my video card device section
 is
 
 Option   AGPMode 1
 
 which I wrote in from following the DRI user's guide. 
 CrtScreen isn't there, and I don't know what values
 PanelSize takes.  How can I find out what options
 the 'radeon' and 'ati' drivers take?
 
 I know that this flat panel takes a digital input, as
 I've used it before with a GeForce2 MX DVI card.  The
 GeForce2 would send both analog DVI and digital DVI
 signals of my motherboard BIOS screen, but with the
 Radeon the only signal I get is analog DVI.
 
 I've included my XF86Config-4 file below; I've tried
 both 'Driver radeon' and 'Driver ati' without
 luck.  Any ideas?
 
 Alan
 
 XF86Config-4
 # File generated by anaconda.
 
 Section ServerLayout
 Identifier Anaconda Configured
 Screen  0  Screen0 0 0
 InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer
 InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard
 EndSection
 
 Section Files
 
 # The location of the RGB database.  Note, this is the
 name of the
 # file minus the extension (like .txt or .db). 
 There is normally
 # no need to change the default.
 
 RgbPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb
 
 # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are
 concatenated together)
 # By default, Red Hat 6.0 and later now use a font
 server independent of
 # the X server to render fonts.
 
 FontPath   unix/:7100
 EndSection
 
 Section Module
 Load  GLcore
 Load  dbe
 Load  extmod
 Load fbdevhw
 #Load pex5
 Load dri
 Load  glx
 #Load  pex5
 Load  record
 #Load  xie
 EndSection
 
 Section InputDevice
 Identifier  Keyboard0
 Driver  keyboard
 
 #   Option  AutoRepeat500 5
 
 # when using XQUEUE, comment out the above line, and
 uncomment the
 # following line
 #   Option  Protocol  Xqueue
 
 # Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled
 (eg, with xset(1))
 #   Option  Xleds 1 2 3
 
 # To disable the XKEYBOARD extension, uncomment
 XkbDisable.
 #   Option  XkbDisable
 
 # To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard,
 modify the
 # lines below (which are the defaults).  For example,
 for a non-U.S.
 # keyboard, you will probably want to use:
 #   Option  XkbModel  pc102
 # If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can
 use:
 #   Option  XkbModel  microsoft
 #
 # Then to change the language, change the Layout
 setting.
 # For example, a german layout can be obtained with:
 #   Option  XkbLayout de
 # or:
 #   Option  XkbLayout de
 #   Option  XkbVariantnodeadkeys
 #
 # If you'd like to switch the positions of your
 capslock and
 # control keys, use:
 #   Option  XkbOptionsctrl:nocaps
 Option  XkbRules  xfree86
 Option  XkbModel  itouch
 Option  XkbLayout us
 Option  XkbVariantbasic
 #Option XkbOptions
 EndSection
 
 Section InputDevice
 Identifier  Mouse0
 Driver  mouse
 Option  Protocol IMPS/2
 Option  Device /dev/psaux
 Option  ZAxisMapping 4 5
 Option  Emulate3Buttons no
 EndSection
 
 Section Monitor
 Identifier   Monitor0
 VendorName   Monitor Vendor
 ModelNameMonitor Model
 HorizSync   30 - 81
 #VertRefresh 56 - 85
 VertRefresh 60 - 76
 Option dpms
 
 # -- 1400x1050 --
 # 1400x1050 @ 60Hz, 65.8 kHz hsync
 Modeline 1400x1050  129   1400 1464 1656
 1960
   1050 1051 1054 1100
 +HSync +VSync
 
 # 1400x1050 @ 70Hz, 76.8 kHz hsync
 Modeline 1400x1050  151   1400 1464 1656
 1960
   1050 1051 1054 1100
 +HSync +VSync
 
 # 1400x1050 @ 75Hz, 82.3 kHz hsync
 Modeline 1400x1050  162   1400 1464 1656
 1960
   1050 1051 1054 1100
 +HSync +VSync
 
 # 1400x1050 @ 85Hz, 93.2 kHz hsync
 Modeline 1400x1050  184   1400 1464 1656
 1960
   1050 1051 1054 1100
 +HSync +VSync
 
 EndSection
 
 Section Device
 #Option nodri
 Identifier   Radeon
 #Driver   radeon
 Driver   ati
 Option   AGPMode 1
 VendorName   ATI
 BoardName ATI Radeon All In Wonder AGP
 
 #BusID
 VideoRam 32768
 EndSection
 
 Section Screen
 Identifier   Screen0
 Device   Radeon
 Monitor  Monitor0
 DefaultDepth24
 
 Subsection Display
 Depth   24
 Modes   1280x1024
 EndSubsection
 
 EndSection
 
 Section DRI
 Mode