first mail
hai i am surendra jampani from India ...a young software graduate want to contribute to open source and require your direction and experiance in my journey..please tell me how ca i participate in the development of our open source thanking you one and all with regards -- soori -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Xubuntu team direction
Hi All, Although I was only there for two of the days, and Cody was sick for one of those two days, Cody and I we were able to meet during UDS, and talk about possible plans for the 10.04 release of Xubuntu. Of course we talked about some of the regular topics (and I'll have a separate email about those), but I wanted to separate out a key component of our plans from any discussions about regular distro-related issues. Specifically, we need to talk about team leadership and team member roles. As you know, after several releases as the project lead for Xubuntu, Cody wants to step down and assume the role of a regular contributor. I spoke briefly with Daniel Holbach while at UDS, and the community council would prefer that we attempt to come to a decision as a group instead of just bringing the matter to the community council. It makes sense, as we should be self-directed rather than dependent on an outside group to come to a decision that we may not like (and that may not work for us). With that, it's really up to us to decide how we handle the transition. Do we want to continue to have a singular project leader? If so, what responsibilities would that entail, and who could that be? If we choose not to go that route, or if no one wishes to assume that role, could a group of people assume particular leadership roles? What could this look like? We need to decide this as a community, so please share your thoughts. What would be best for Xubuntu? What would you like to see? What concerns do you have, and how could those concerns be addressed? What role(s) would you be willing and able to assume? Feel free to share any other questions or thoughts. Thanks very much, Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: first mail
HI: i dont speak english, sorry. So, how i can help you? 2009/12/4 surendrababu jampani surendra.jamp...@gmail.com hai i am surendra jampani from India ...a young software graduate want to contribute to open source and require your direction and experiance in my journey..please tell me how ca i participate in the development of our open source thanking you one and all with regards -- soori -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel -- Eis meu diário de leitura: http://prototeorias.blogspot.com o livro do momento é Humano, Demasiado Humano, do Nietzsche. Se você se interessa dê uma olhada nos aforismas que selecionei e apresente suas interpretações. -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Xubuntu team direction
Jim Campbell wrote: Hi All, Although I was only there for two of the days, and Cody was sick for one of those two days, Cody and I we were able to meet during UDS, and talk about possible plans for the 10.04 release of Xubuntu. Of course we talked about some of the regular topics (and I'll have a separate email about those), but I wanted to separate out a key component of our plans from any discussions about regular distro-related issues. Specifically, we need to talk about team leadership and team member roles. As you know, after several releases as the project lead for Xubuntu, Cody wants to step down and assume the role of a regular contributor. I spoke briefly with Daniel Holbach while at UDS, and the community council would prefer that we attempt to come to a decision as a group instead of just bringing the matter to the community council. It makes sense, as we should be self-directed rather than dependent on an outside group to come to a decision that we may not like (and that may not work for us). With that, it's really up to us to decide how we handle the transition. Do we want to continue to have a singular project leader? If so, what responsibilities would that entail, and who could that be? If we choose not to go that route, or if no one wishes to assume that role, could a group of people assume particular leadership roles? What could this look like? We need to decide this as a community, so please share your thoughts. What would be best for Xubuntu? What would you like to see? What concerns do you have, and how could those concerns be addressed? What role(s) would you be willing and able to assume? Feel free to share any other questions or thoughts. Thanks very much, Jim Hi, Some changes I've had in mind since the 9.10 release is the possibility of removing gnome-app-install from the default metapackage because it gives a false impression of what is actually available in the apt repositories. Perhaps mine was never configured properly but I also hardly ever used it.. I've since removed it completely. It would also be nice to encourage the developer (or even help with the code) to further xfce4-taskmanager due to the bloated nature of Gnome System Monitor. I'm not trying to sound like an anti-gnome troll or anything, but even the most hardcore GNOME fan can tell you the shortcomings of that app. (Specifically simply starting it usually makes a system hang and it has had serious performance issues for many releases.) (Source: http://abock.org/2008/09/03/stay-classy-gnome) If anything else comes to mind I will bring them up in the future and will keep an eye on developing comments. I look forward to seeing how this thread develops. :) - J -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Xubuntu team direction
Jim Campbell wrote: On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:05 PM, J. Anthony Limon j...@flippo.net mailto:j...@flippo.net wrote: Hi, Some changes I've had in mind since the 9.10 release is the possibility of removing gnome-app-install from the default metapackage because it gives a false impression of what is actually available in the apt repositories. Perhaps mine was never configured properly but I also hardly ever used it.. I've since removed it completely. It would also be nice to encourage the developer (or even help with the code) to further xfce4-taskmanager due to the bloated nature of Gnome System Monitor. I'm not trying to sound like an anti-gnome troll or anything, but even the most hardcore GNOME fan can tell you the shortcomings of that app. (Specifically simply starting it usually makes a system hang and it has had serious performance issues for many releases.) (Source: http://abock.org/2008/09/03/stay-classy-gnome) If anything else comes to mind I will bring them up in the future and will keep an eye on developing comments. I look forward to seeing how this thread develops. :) - J Hi J, These are good suggestions for the distro itself, but I really wanted this thread to focus on the team leadership and team direction for the coming release. We'll start a separate thread for specific distro-related improvements and changes once we get the team aspect in order. I'm not as familiar with you and your background, but we could sure use your help if you are interested in contributing during this release. Jim Ah, I see. :) To keep in the spirit of the intended purpose for this thread, I will say that I would like to help in any way I can. (We'll see how far reaching my skills can help!) I've been a Linux user for years but fairly recent to the Debian style system and not too familiar with the debian package creation process, but I've been an XFce user since the early 4.0.x betas. I've just recently come to the Xubuntu distro and subscribed to the mailing list hoping to get an inside ear on the Lucid release process and hopefully help steer it in a good direction. (As well as helping folk when I can!) - J -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Xubuntu team direction
Jim Campbell wrote: Hi All, Although I was only there for two of the days, and Cody was sick for one of those two days, Cody and I we were able to meet during UDS, and talk about possible plans for the 10.04 release of Xubuntu. Of course we talked about some of the regular topics (and I'll have a separate email about those), but I wanted to separate out a key component of our plans from any discussions about regular distro-related issues. Specifically, we need to talk about team leadership and team member roles. As you know, after several releases as the project lead for Xubuntu, Cody wants to step down and assume the role of a regular contributor. I spoke briefly with Daniel Holbach while at UDS, and the community council would prefer that we attempt to come to a decision as a group instead of just bringing the matter to the community council. It makes sense, as we should be self-directed rather than dependent on an outside group to come to a decision that we may not like (and that may not work for us). With that, it's really up to us to decide how we handle the transition. Do we want to continue to have a singular project leader? If so, what responsibilities would that entail, and who could that be? If we choose not to go that route, or if no one wishes to assume that role, could a group of people assume particular leadership roles? What could this look like? We need to decide this as a community, so please share your thoughts. What would be best for Xubuntu? What would you like to see? What concerns do you have, and how could those concerns be addressed? What role(s) would you be willing and able to assume? Feel free to share any other questions or thoughts. Thanks very much, Jim Thanks Jim for bringing this topic up. I appreciate it very much. With all respect to Cody, I think the singular project leader approach didn't work out too great on some of the situations. Too many times I thought there was this one guy who always could veto anything any other leader had done. This was discussed once thoroughly and as Cody said, he thought working with the rest of the team was easier and kind of more pleasant. And I couldn't agree more. There wasn't that much decisions to be done after that, so I don't know if this approach would have worked in the long run after all. Thank you again, Cody. So where am I coming here? Well, I think Xubuntu could benefit from several leadership roles. Maybe these leaders could form some kind of council to discuss some important things and bring a shared conclusion/settlement if the developer community seems to disagree a lot. If there still would be disagreement and the council couldn't come to any conclusion, then I think the leader for the particular team would have the final word. I once left the Amarok project as I wasn't listened to when I spoke on artwork and web – even if I was clearly the guy with most experience on those areas. I've had a fear that the Xubuntu team would slowly slide into this situation and several coordinated and equal powered leaders would definitely take away this fear. Referring to my previous email to the development mailing list [1] I will focus on other things than previously, but I'm willing to continue as the Xubuntu Marketing Lead if nobody has any objections about that. This would probably also mean that I'd be one of the several leaders, representing marketing and, obviously, artwork. Whatever the path is we choose to follow, one thing is for sure: we need more developers. [1] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2009-October/007158.html Cheers, -- Pasi Lallinaho Xubuntu Marketing Lead Web-designer, graphic artist IRC: knome @ freenode -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Xubuntu team direction
Pasi Lallinaho wrote: Jim Campbell wrote: Hi All, Although I was only there for two of the days, and Cody was sick for one of those two days, Cody and I we were able to meet during UDS, and talk about possible plans for the 10.04 release of Xubuntu. Of course we talked about some of the regular topics (and I'll have a separate email about those), but I wanted to separate out a key component of our plans from any discussions about regular distro-related issues. Specifically, we need to talk about team leadership and team member roles. As you know, after several releases as the project lead for Xubuntu, Cody wants to step down and assume the role of a regular contributor. I spoke briefly with Daniel Holbach while at UDS, and the community council would prefer that we attempt to come to a decision as a group instead of just bringing the matter to the community council. It makes sense, as we should be self-directed rather than dependent on an outside group to come to a decision that we may not like (and that may not work for us). With that, it's really up to us to decide how we handle the transition. Do we want to continue to have a singular project leader? If so, what responsibilities would that entail, and who could that be? If we choose not to go that route, or if no one wishes to assume that role, could a group of people assume particular leadership roles? What could this look like? We need to decide this as a community, so please share your thoughts. What would be best for Xubuntu? What would you like to see? What concerns do you have, and how could those concerns be addressed? What role(s) would you be willing and able to assume? Feel free to share any other questions or thoughts. Thanks very much, Jim Thanks Jim for bringing this topic up. I appreciate it very much. With all respect to Cody, I think the singular project leader approach didn't work out too great on some of the situations. Too many times I thought there was this one guy who always could veto anything any other leader had done. This was discussed once thoroughly and as Cody said, he thought working with the rest of the team was easier and kind of more pleasant. And I couldn't agree more. There wasn't that much decisions to be done after that, so I don't know if this approach would have worked in the long run after all. Thank you again, Cody. So where am I coming here? Well, I think Xubuntu could benefit from several leadership roles. Maybe these leaders could form some kind of council to discuss some important things and bring a shared conclusion/settlement if the developer community seems to disagree a lot. If there still would be disagreement and the council couldn't come to any conclusion, then I think the leader for the particular team would have the final word. I once left the Amarok project as I wasn't listened to when I spoke on artwork and web – even if I was clearly the guy with most experience on those areas. I've had a fear that the Xubuntu team would slowly slide into this situation and several coordinated and equal powered leaders would definitely take away this fear. Referring to my previous email to the development mailing list [1] I will focus on other things than previously, but I'm willing to continue as the Xubuntu Marketing Lead if nobody has any objections about that. This would probably also mean that I'd be one of the several leaders, representing marketing and, obviously, artwork. Whatever the path is we choose to follow, one thing is for sure: we need more developers. [1] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2009-October/007158.html Cheers, -- Pasi Lallinaho Xubuntu Marketing Lead Web-designer, graphic artist IRC: knome @ freenode I concur completely with Pasi, A council of some sort is (almost) always the best way to handle community projects. It allows more thought and process as well as serves as a sort of fail-safe for when someone cannot perform their duties. As a new member of the community I will continue to find my place within it that best serves the users and further development of the system itself. I have several ideas and criticisms I'd like to bring into 'play' concerning the Lucid development process and I think the council idea would make it easier for smaller voices to be heard and considered. - J -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Xubuntu team direction
J. Anthony Limon wrote: Pasi Lallinaho wrote: Jim Campbell wrote: Hi All, Although I was only there for two of the days, and Cody was sick for one of those two days, Cody and I we were able to meet during UDS, and talk about possible plans for the 10.04 release of Xubuntu. Of course we talked about some of the regular topics (and I'll have a separate email about those), but I wanted to separate out a key component of our plans from any discussions about regular distro-related issues. Specifically, we need to talk about team leadership and team member roles. As you know, after several releases as the project lead for Xubuntu, Cody wants to step down and assume the role of a regular contributor. I spoke briefly with Daniel Holbach while at UDS, and the community council would prefer that we attempt to come to a decision as a group instead of just bringing the matter to the community council. It makes sense, as we should be self-directed rather than dependent on an outside group to come to a decision that we may not like (and that may not work for us). With that, it's really up to us to decide how we handle the transition. Do we want to continue to have a singular project leader? If so, what responsibilities would that entail, and who could that be? If we choose not to go that route, or if no one wishes to assume that role, could a group of people assume particular leadership roles? What could this look like? We need to decide this as a community, so please share your thoughts. What would be best for Xubuntu? What would you like to see? What concerns do you have, and how could those concerns be addressed? What role(s) would you be willing and able to assume? Feel free to share any other questions or thoughts. Thanks very much, Jim Thanks Jim for bringing this topic up. I appreciate it very much. With all respect to Cody, I think the singular project leader approach didn't work out too great on some of the situations. Too many times I thought there was this one guy who always could veto anything any other leader had done. This was discussed once thoroughly and as Cody said, he thought working with the rest of the team was easier and kind of more pleasant. And I couldn't agree more. There wasn't that much decisions to be done after that, so I don't know if this approach would have worked in the long run after all. Thank you again, Cody. So where am I coming here? Well, I think Xubuntu could benefit from several leadership roles. Maybe these leaders could form some kind of council to discuss some important things and bring a shared conclusion/settlement if the developer community seems to disagree a lot. If there still would be disagreement and the council couldn't come to any conclusion, then I think the leader for the particular team would have the final word. I once left the Amarok project as I wasn't listened to when I spoke on artwork and web – even if I was clearly the guy with most experience on those areas. I've had a fear that the Xubuntu team would slowly slide into this situation and several coordinated and equal powered leaders would definitely take away this fear. Referring to my previous email to the development mailing list [1] I will focus on other things than previously, but I'm willing to continue as the Xubuntu Marketing Lead if nobody has any objections about that. This would probably also mean that I'd be one of the several leaders, representing marketing and, obviously, artwork. Whatever the path is we choose to follow, one thing is for sure: we need more developers. [1] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2009-October/007158.html Cheers, -- Pasi Lallinaho Xubuntu Marketing Lead Web-designer, graphic artist IRC: knome @ freenode I concur completely with Pasi, A council of some sort is (almost) always the best way to handle community projects. It allows more thought and process as well as serves as a sort of fail-safe for when someone cannot perform their duties. As a new member of the community I will continue to find my place within it that best serves the users and further development of the system itself. I have several ideas and criticisms I'd like to bring into 'play' concerning the Lucid development process and I think the council idea would make it easier for smaller voices to be heard and considered. - J The different teams should be able to work on their selves, so not all of the decisions must go through the council, but only the specific team leader. If he thinks the subject would raise some constructive criticism, good discussion or bloody disagreement, he should bring the subject for the community (council) to review. The teams should work on what they are experts on as much as possible without too much bureaucracy and unneeded governance. We all have a
Re: first mail
hello I appreciate ur desire to help other fellows.i know only english,hindi and telugu languages.i think you have written the mail in spanish. So thank you for your response. with regards surendra jampani -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: first mail
All right. 2009/12/5 surendrababu jampani surendra.jamp...@gmail.com hello I appreciate ur desire to help other fellows.i know only english,hindi and telugu languages.i think you have written the mail in spanish. So thank you for your response. with regards surendra jampani -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel -- Eis meu diário de leitura: http://prototeorias.blogspot.com o livro do momento é Humano, Demasiado Humano, do Nietzsche. Se você se interessa dê uma olhada nos aforismas que selecionei e apresente suas interpretações. -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
suggest me
hai i am surendra jampani from India and i know c,c++,Basic usage of linux,HTML,Shell scripting. and i would like to contribute towards the open source. tell me from which level,i can start based on my knowledge. so please advise me,suggest me,move me. THnking you all with REgards -- surendra jampani -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: first mail
thank you mydear friend. and please send me the links for joining in those channels. and I would like tobring a small problem in my system . i am a hardcore fan of ubuntu and i am using it since ubuntu 8.04. i found that THE UBUNTU 9.10 IS Not working efficient in my system when i compare to ubuntu 9.04.The system strucks unusually.i dont know why this happens. my system configuration is 1GB RAM,Intel core 2 duo 2.2 Ghz and 160 gb hdd. and kubuntu 9.10 is working as usaul in my system kindely consider this. with regards surendra jampani -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Idea for Lucid (and beyond..)
Hi team, I just thought I would open the door for some brainstorming in the area of Lucid and beyond! I have some thoughts I'd like to extend everyone's way. 1) gnome-app-install Do we really need it? Who really uses it? How stable is it anyways? I feel gnome-app-install does more harm than good in the XFce desktop. Firstly it does a poor job of representing the total software in the repositories. Secondly, we almost *always* send people to Synaptic or apt-get to install software. Thirdly, I've found it to be HORRIDLY unstable. On my system I've ---purge autoremove'd it. A nice side effect was that my XFce menu looks a lot nicer without that wide entry at the top. :) 2) gnome-system-monitor I know this app has some serious features that alternatives do not, but is consistently a source of problems and bugs, primarily in the area of super high CPU usage and memory leaks, ironic given the nature of the application. On my system I use a mixture of xfce4-taskmanager and htop, I'm not sure if this would be satisfactory on the majority of people's desktops but I am of the opinion that GSM has to go. 3) Totem Is the plan to stick with Totem for Lucid? It's kind of stagnant issue but it's also a difficult one to address with the next release being LTS. 4) GDM This seems to be an issue entirely out of anyone's hands unless they want to try making one using xfce libs. This is about all I can think of right now, but I do know I am missing a couple things which I will bring up at another time. I feel this is a good start to a brainstorming. Also, nobody has any intentions of adopting Pulse Audio into the Xubuntu system, right? ;) - J -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Idea for Lucid (and beyond..)
J. Anthony Limon wrote: Hi team, I just thought I would open the door for some brainstorming in the area of Lucid and beyond! I have some thoughts I'd like to extend everyone's way. 1) gnome-app-install Do we really need it? Who really uses it? How stable is it anyways? I feel gnome-app-install does more harm than good in the XFce desktop. Firstly it does a poor job of representing the total software in the repositories. Secondly, we almost *always* send people to Synaptic or apt-get to install software. Thirdly, I've found it to be HORRIDLY unstable. On my system I've ---purge autoremove'd it. A nice side effect was that my XFce menu looks a lot nicer without that wide entry at the top. :) I agree you on this. I don't really know gnome-app-install since I always use apt-get or Synaptic myself. Maybe we should just seed Synaptic as the default application/repository manager in Lucid? 2) gnome-system-monitor I know this app has some serious features that alternatives do not, but is consistently a source of problems and bugs, primarily in the area of super high CPU usage and memory leaks, ironic given the nature of the application. On my system I use a mixture of xfce4-taskmanager and htop, I'm not sure if this would be satisfactory on the majority of people's desktops but I am of the opinion that GSM has to go. For now, I don't think the Xfce components can deliver the same amount of features and, regretfully, quality. I also like htop, but we can't consider it as the main application for system monitoring, as it's CLI and many people fear command line. 3) Totem Is the plan to stick with Totem for Lucid? It's kind of stagnant issue but it's also a difficult one to address with the next release being LTS. Agree. There is loads of *decent* video player alternatives. I've never liked Totem. It sounds it is from the stone-age. I'd really like to see something else already in Lucid. 4) GDM This seems to be an issue entirely out of anyone's hands unless they want to try making one using xfce libs. This is about all I can think of right now, but I do know I am missing a couple things which I will bring up at another time. I feel this is a good start to a brainstorming. Also, nobody has any intentions of adopting Pulse Audio into the Xubuntu system, right? ;) My personal experience is that PA is only bringing in problems, but if we can get those sorted out, I can live with it. I hear PA can do wonderful things once it works. We probably want to ship Exaile as our default media player for Lucid also, but I want to finger at the really bad quality of media players in general in Karmic. Most of them do not work for me at all (read: they crash constantly or leak into memory). Cheers, -- Pasi Lallinaho Xubuntu Marketing Lead Web-designer, graphic artist IRC: knome @ freenode -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
