Re: Effective Feature Requesting (Was: Happy with Yojimbo the way it is!)

2008-05-01 Thread Rhet Turnbull
I don't want to fuel a flame war so I'll shut up after this message!   
BTW, I do appreciate Steve from BareBones adding his thoughts and I  
don't mind him picking on me!  It's nice to know the developer is  
listening to the list even if I don't like some of their design  
choices. In my post I explicitly stated that adding every feature  
would be a bad idea...I get that, as do most people on this list, I  
suspect. I also understand the Henry Ford quote someone threw  
out...but in the end of the day, it's the users who buy the software  
and need to live with it and often they do have reasonable use cases  
the developer hasn't thought of.



For the people who complain it doesn't have XXX feature, did you only
notice this after your free 30 day trial period was over? There really


In response to Scott, I did try out Yojimbo and I evaluated it  
against at least 3 other applications. None were perfect, but Yojimbo  
was the by far the best of the bunch (at the time) so I happily  
forked over my $39 and would have paid twice that without regret. I  
said in my post that Yojimbo was a great product and a good value.  
I'm not unhappy with my purchase but using a product for 30 days and  
almost 2 years are two different things and my workflow and  
requirements have evolved.  Asking for new/different features isn't  
the same thing as complaining. Buying a piece of software and being  
in love with it are two different things...it's a purchase, not a  
marriage! And unlike my car, which also has things I wish were  
different, software isn't static and I know BareBones will be  
changing it -- Toyota isn't going to send me an upgrade for my car.   
So letting them know what those things are has value both to me and  
to BareBones. If they choose a different design choice and I don't  
like, I can go elsewhere...the ability to export from Yojimbo was one  
of the "must have" features I evaluated.



for the people asking for nested folders, how could tags not help you
instead? instead off



As to Scott's suggestion to use tags to make up for nested folders:  
that's a kludge, especially with Yojimbo's current lack of good tag  
management or smart collections. I use that method on Gmail and it  
works fine until you have a lot of categories then it gets kludgey.   
I'm glad to hear those are high priorities for BareBones. I mentioned  
the use case for nested folders in my post -- the lack of nested  
folders makes the drop dock too unwieldy if you have a lot of  
folders. I've read David Allen and practice GTD (as someone on the  
list brought up) but I still need more than a few folders (or tags).  
If my primary means of adding data to Yojimbo is the drop dock, and I  
want to categorize data *when it's added* then Yojimbo's current  
interface makes that hard.  Find me a better way of adding data to  
Yojimbo and having it tagged automatically, and maybe I won't need  
nested folders. I use Yep for PDFs and I don't miss nested folders  
because Yep's tagging support is first class and doesn't get in the  
way of my workflow.  (Yes, yes, I get it that Yojimbo will never have  
nested folders!)


Cheers to all,
--Rhet

On May 1, 2008, at 1:42 PM, Scott J. Lopez wrote:


For the people who complain it doesn't have XXX feature, did you only
notice this after your free 30 day trial period was over? There really
is no logical reason someone can complain they bought the product but
can't use it effectively because it didn't have XXX.

For those who sent Yojimbo to the trash because it didn't have XXX,
what product did you move to instead? What was it lacking that Yojimbo
has? Did you tell the developers of that product you were going to
trash it because it didn't have YYY that Yojimbo did? I would love to
hear the "success" stories of people who trashed Yojimbo because
something was "better."

My point is, no one has any excuse to say they didn't know Yojimbo
couldn't meet their needs before buying it, and that any one product
will meet every feature they demand^H^H^H^H^H^Hrequest.

Scott

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Re: Effective Feature Requesting (Was: Happy with Yojimbo the way it is!)

2008-05-01 Thread Scott J. Lopez
For the people who complain it doesn't have XXX feature, did you only
notice this after your free 30 day trial period was over? There really
is no logical reason someone can complain they bought the product but
can't use it effectively because it didn't have XXX.

For those who sent Yojimbo to the trash because it didn't have XXX,
what product did you move to instead? What was it lacking that Yojimbo
has? Did you tell the developers of that product you were going to
trash it because it didn't have YYY that Yojimbo did? I would love to
hear the "success" stories of people who trashed Yojimbo because
something was "better."

My point is, no one has any excuse to say they didn't know Yojimbo
couldn't meet their needs before buying it, and that any one product
will meet every feature they demand^H^H^H^H^H^Hrequest.

Scott

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Effective Feature Requesting (Was: Happy with Yojimbo the way it is!)

2008-05-01 Thread Lorin Rivers


On Apr 29, 2008, at 6:54 PM, Keith Ledbetter wrote:



On Apr 29, 2008, at 1:41 PM, Scott J. Lopez wrote:


I see a lot of messages out there requsting Yojimbo did a lot of
things it doesn't and I just want to tell the developers I'm quite
happy with Yojimbo the way it is.


I think Yojimbo is a fine little application, too.  It's just a  
shame that because it lacks one feature (nested collections) I had  
to delete it from my hard drive.   I keep monitoring online, and I  
keep hoping that one day that needed feature will be added.  People  
with as much data as I have can't live without nested collections.



Not to pick on Keith (at all)...

It's almost universal that people who want something new or changed in  
a piece of software offer a solution (nested collections, for example)  
rather than an explanation of the problem they're trying to solve that  
they think their solution addresses. Since the developers have a much  
deeper, broader and nuanced awareness of what is and is not possible  
(or even desirable) than the public at large does, it's in best  
interest of you, as the person who want the change, to couch the  
request in terms of what you want to achieve rather than the method  
you imagine would allow you achieve the goal you have in mind.  
Engineers LOVE to solve problems...


One of the biggest challenges in the world of the Decider of What the  
New Version Does is inverting all these solution requests into problems.


My 67¢ (used to be 2¢, but with the devaluation of the peso, I mean  
dollar)...

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Lorin Rivers
Mosasaur: Killer Technical Marketing 

512/203.3198 (m)



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