Re: How to store links in Yojimbo

[Charlie Garrison]

Good morning,

On 10/4/08 at 8:04 AM +0200, Krzysztof Maj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I know that symlink is just a link, but it seems that Youjimbo 
does not do it by default. It you drag a file to the Yojimbo it 
will be copied to the Yojimbo database. In this case you have 
the same file twice on you hard disk right? Have you ever seen 
SOHO Notes app? In that app you can store symlinks not a raw 
files and then you have two pros: 1. You do not count you HDD 
space twice, 2. When your program database crashed or developer 
say that he doesn't want to develop this app anymore, you have 
your real file somewhere on the disk.
I am just lookin for application which help you organize your 
digital life, but I would like to avaid as much as possible 
some prioprietary database format risk in the future.


It sounds like you haven't tried the Add Hyperlink command I 
suggested. Drag a file from Finder the Add Hyperlink *dialog 
box* (or sheet). You get a link to the file, not a copy of it. 
Then you get things working the way you want. And the rest of 
this discussion becomes a moot point.


Charlie

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Re: How to store links in Yojimbo

[Krzysztof Maj]

On 2008-04-10, at 17:24, Dennis wrote:

On Apr 9, 2008, at 11:04 PM, Krzysztof Maj wrote:

It you drag a file to the Yojimbo it will be copied to the Yojimbo  
database. In this case you have the same file twice on you hard  
disk right?


The idea with Yojimbo is that the file in the database *replaces*  
the original file in your file system. Throw out the original file  
once it's in your database and no disk space is wasted.


Hm for me it sounds little bit scary, but maybe you are right. I have  
lots of PDF files, wich I want to tag, put some notes and clippings  
from those files. Now my PDFs are in the directory with different  
subdirs. What do you recommend to organize them inside the Yojimbo  
app? Just import them as they are, or do some neat things? One comment  
also on that, when I have all my files inside the database, I cannot  
share them through my LAN over the different computers right?





When your program database crashed or developer say that he doesn't  
want to develop this app anymore, you have your real file somewhere  
on the disk.


The idea with Yojimbo is to just not crash in the first place  
(prevent fires rather than put them out). It seems stability is a  
serious problem with SOHO Notes, at least according to reports on  
VersionTracker and MacUpdate. Yojimbo, on the other hand, is  
extremely reliable. Are there any known cases of irrecoverable  
database corruption? Not that I'm aware of.




Yes it might be true. I like SOHO, at least I had a small amout of  
time to play with this app, but I got some stability issues, that's  
why I started looking for another solution ;-) Also one comment here  
SOHO notes can import your Mail.app notes, but I am not sure that  
Yojimbo can do such things?


I would like to avaid as much as possible some prioprietary  
database format risk in the future.


Yojimbo uses an SQLite database to store its information, not a  
proprietary format. So even if Yojimbo suddenly vanished from the  
face of the Earth in a puff of smoke, you'd still be able to get  
your information out. And, even if Bare Bones Software suddenly  
decided to stop developing Yojimbo, you'd at least have your current  
version, so you could simply export your data to get your original  
files back.




Is a way just to export everything at one time to a specified  
directory for instance? Or put some specific files from inside the  
Yojimbo database directly to the .Mac account?



-Dennis




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Re: How to store links in Yojimbo

[Dennis]

On Apr 9, 2008, at 11:04 PM, Krzysztof Maj wrote:

It you drag a file to the Yojimbo it will be copied to the Yojimbo  
database. In this case you have the same file twice on you hard disk  
right?


The idea with Yojimbo is that the file in the database *replaces* the  
original file in your file system. Throw out the original file once  
it's in your database and no disk space is wasted.


When your program database crashed or developer say that he doesn't  
want to develop this app anymore, you have your real file somewhere  
on the disk.


The idea with Yojimbo is to just not crash in the first place (prevent  
fires rather than put them out). It seems stability is a serious  
problem with SOHO Notes, at least according to reports on  
VersionTracker and MacUpdate. Yojimbo, on the other hand, is extremely  
reliable. Are there any known cases of irrecoverable database  
corruption? Not that I'm aware of.


I would like to avaid as much as possible some prioprietary database  
format risk in the future.


Yojimbo uses an SQLite database to store its information, not a  
proprietary format. So even if Yojimbo suddenly vanished from the face  
of the Earth in a puff of smoke, you'd still be able to get your  
information out. And, even if Bare Bones Software suddenly decided to  
stop developing Yojimbo, you'd at least have your current version, so  
you could simply export your data to get your original files back.


-Dennis



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Re: How to store links in Yojimbo

[Krzysztof Maj]

On 2008-04-10, at 07:56, Krzysztof Maj wrote:


On 2008-04-10, at 05:40, Charlie Garrison wrote:

Good afternoon,

On 8/4/08 at 8:54 AM -0400, Krzysztof Maj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Yes, this is a one one to put hyperlink for the file, but inside  
the note. But how to store only sybolic links to file instead of  
physical one and do not count my hard disk space twice?


I think you need to explain your situation better. The file URL is  
effectively a symlink. Since a symlink is a file system feature I  
don't see any way of have a literal symlink. And I completely don't  
understand your comment about counting hard disk space twice. A  
hyperlink is just that, a link. It's not a copy of your file.




I know that symlink is just a link, but it seems that Youjimbo does  
not do it by default. It you drag a file to the Yojimbo it will be  
copied to the Yojimbo database. In this case you have the same file  
twice on you hard disk right? Have you ever seen SOHO Notes app? In  
that app you can store symlinks not a raw files and then you have two  
pros: 1. You do not count you HDD space twice, 2. When your program  
database crashed or developer say that he doesn't want to develop this  
app anymore, you have your real file somewhere on the disk.
I am just lookin for application which help you organize your digital  
life, but I would like to avaid as much as possible some prioprietary  
database format risk in the future.






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Re: How to store links in Yojimbo

[Charlie Garrison]

Good afternoon,

On 8/4/08 at 9:10 AM -0400, Robertson Dale A. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

The Add hyperlink menu item is never active (always grayed 
out), and I can't find Hyperlink in the help facility. What's missing?


I don't know about help or the manual, but select some text in a 
note and then select Add Hyperlink.


Hmm, I just typed 'hyperlink' into the help search and got a 
hit. OK, that's just a reference to the menu item. Would 
probably be a good idea for the manual to have more info, such 
as text needs to be selected first. Send a note to BBSW and 
suggest the change.



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Re: How to store links in Yojimbo

[Charlie Garrison]

Good afternoon,

On 8/4/08 at 8:54 AM -0400, Krzysztof Maj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Yes, this is a one one to put hyperlink for the file, but 
inside the note. But how to store only sybolic links to file 
instead of physical one and do not count my hard disk space twice?


I think you need to explain your situation better. The file URL 
is effectively a symlink. Since a symlink is a file system 
feature I don't see any way of have a literal symlink. And I 
completely don't understand your comment about counting hard 
disk space twice. A hyperlink is just that, a link. It's not a 
copy of your file.



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Re: How to store links in Yojimbo

[Kenneth Kirksey]

On Apr 7, 2008, at 8:43 AM, Krzysztof Maj wrote:
can anybody explain me how to store symbolic links inside the  
Yojimbo database instead of the real file? Is it possible? Because  
without it, you can loose HDD space really quickly, because you have  
the same file in two places. What do you think about it? What in  
case when Yojimbo crash and I need access to my files without Yojimbo?


You _can_ do what you want to do, as others have noted, but I don't  
know that you should. To quote one of the Bare Bones Developers:


"We never really intended for Yojimbo to be a replacement for the  
Finder or a file manager, but a place to put (and tag/organize/fetch)  
things which didn't already have a better place someplace else.  
Snippets of information, random web pages, etc."


I confess I've been guilty of trying to make Yojimbo do more than it  
was designed to do, but I've learned better.


I suggest you give Leap a look:



I've been using it for a couple of weeks now and really impressed. I  
was impressed enough to shell out what I though was an excessive  
amount of money to buy it. Think of it as Yojimbo for all of your  
files that won't go in Yojimbo. Between Yojimbo and Leap, my file  
management needs are covered.


Part of my reason for trying to put everything in Yojimbo was that I  
wanted to have one place to go to search for documents. With the  
greatly improved spotlight in Leopard, this is not a concern for me  
now. I tag files in Leap and in Yojimbo, and I can do a quick  
spotlight search to find items in both places.




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Re: How to store links in Yojimbo

[Jan Erik Moström]

Krzysztof M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 08-04-08 15.29

This part of menu is only active when you click inside the note 
or highlight some portion of the text inside the note to make 
it hyperlinked. So that why I am asking is it any different way 
to store file links inside Yojimbo separately not as a pointer 
inside the note? For example SOHO Notes does it pretty well.


I don't know if this is what you want to do but ...

+   Create a bookmark in Yojimbo
+   Select the file you want link and drag it to the Location field
+   Add "file://" to the beginning of the location field

(And you could make an applescript that do this so you only drag 
& drop on the applescript to get the link)


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Re: How to store links in Yojimbo

[Krzysztof M.]

"Robertson Dale A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> napisał(a):
> The Add hyperlink menu item is never active (always grayed out), and
> I can't find Hyperlink in the help facility. What's missing?

This part of menu is only active when you click inside the note or 
highlight some portion of the text inside the note to make it hyperlinked. 
So that why I am asking is it any different way to store file links inside 
Yojimbo separately not as a pointer inside the note? For example SOHO Notes 
does it pretty well.

> On Apr 8, 2008, at 8:54, Krzysztof Maj wrote:
>>
>> On 2008-04-07, at 15:10, Charlie Garrison wrote:
>>> Good evening,
>>>
>>> On 7/4/08 at 8:43 AM -0400, Krzysztof Maj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
 can anybody explain me how to store symbolic links inside the
 Yojimbo database instead of the real file? Is it possible?
 Because without it, you can loose HDD space really quickly,
 because you have the same file in two places. What do you think
 about it? What in case when Yojimbo crash and I need access to my
 files without Yojimbo?
>>>
>>> Use the 'Add Hyperlink' menu item, then drag a file from Finder to
>>> the hyperlink dialog box. You get a URL for the file which is your
>>> 'symlink'.
>>>
>>>
>> Thank you for your suggestion.
>> Yes, this is a one one to put hyperlink for the file, but inside
>> the note. But how to store only sybolic links to file instead of
>> physical one and do not count my hard disk space twice?
>>>




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Re: How to store links in Yojimbo

[Robertson Dale A.]

The Add hyperlink menu item is never active (always grayed out), and  
I can't find Hyperlink in the help facility. What's missing?

On Apr 8, 2008, at 8:54, Krzysztof Maj wrote:


On 2008-04-07, at 15:10, Charlie Garrison wrote:

Good evening,

On 7/4/08 at 8:43 AM -0400, Krzysztof Maj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

can anybody explain me how to store symbolic links inside the  
Yojimbo database instead of the real file? Is it possible?  
Because without it, you can loose HDD space really quickly,  
because you have the same file in two places. What do you think  
about it? What in case when Yojimbo crash and I need access to my  
files without Yojimbo?


Use the 'Add Hyperlink' menu item, then drag a file from Finder to  
the hyperlink dialog box. You get a URL for the file which is your  
'symlink'.




Thank you for your suggestion.
Yes, this is a one one to put hyperlink for the file, but inside  
the note. But how to store only sybolic links to file instead of  
physical one and do not count my hard disk space twice?





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Re: How to store links in Yojimbo

[Krzysztof Maj]

On 2008-04-07, at 15:10, Charlie Garrison wrote:

Good evening,

On 7/4/08 at 8:43 AM -0400, Krzysztof Maj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

can anybody explain me how to store symbolic links inside the  
Yojimbo database instead of the real file? Is it possible? Because  
without it, you can loose HDD space really quickly, because you  
have the same file in two places. What do you think about it? What  
in case when Yojimbo crash and I need access to my files without  
Yojimbo?


Use the 'Add Hyperlink' menu item, then drag a file from Finder to  
the hyperlink dialog box. You get a URL for the file which is your  
'symlink'.




Thank you for your suggestion.
Yes, this is a one one to put hyperlink for the file, but inside the  
note. But how to store only sybolic links to file instead of physical  
one and do not count my hard disk space twice?




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Re: How to store links in Yojimbo

[Charlie Garrison]

Good evening,

On 7/4/08 at 8:43 AM -0400, Krzysztof Maj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

can anybody explain me how to store symbolic links inside the 
Yojimbo database instead of the real file? Is it possible? 
Because without it, you can loose HDD space really quickly, 
because you have the same file in two places. What do you think 
about it? What in case when Yojimbo crash and I need access to 
my files without Yojimbo?


Use the 'Add Hyperlink' menu item, then drag a file from Finder 
to the hyperlink dialog box. You get a URL for the file which is 
your 'symlink'.



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